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Yay!

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THANK YOU so much, guys, and also to the people who liked the post. It really really really really means a lot to me <3
I am going to get professional help soon, and I hope things will become better, in time. Coming here and reading you all is already a great moment of my day.

Today I had a particularily bad start of day - I had to undergo a surgery (foot, nothing dramatic but it hurts like hell now - guess it means I can stay at home and read all the thread haha), but it didn't really go well

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Okay, I REALLY wanna see this one...

 

Morrigan & Dorian Pavus

"Get Drunk"

 

YES

 

I'm guessing this becomes a really long tirade about who had the worst parent...


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Hi All. I'm new to this forum and I've been picking my way through trying to find info on the Tarot Cards. Like many of you I romanced Solas and I found it odd that he didn't flip to the Tower card after the finale since he so firmly ended it with the inquisitor. It felt to me like one of the moments in the plot where all your choices (although fun and rewarding) would not change his final state of mind or the direction the writers are taking us. I find it really odd and it feels like a loose end. Does anyone know if Bioware intended to not flip the card or is this just a bug? I noticed that all companions end on a romance card if you romanced them so maybe it's just a design default state but considering how much thought went into Solas I question Bioware over looking a detail that would communicate the wrong idea.

The meaning of the 2 cards leaves us on such vastly different beats and it feels incredibly ambitious ( I like ambitious!) to imagine Bioware reconciling that in DA4 or DLC. How can Solas rip the world apart as the Hierophant ya know? I'm so so intrigued and naturally hoping for a chance to continue the romance I started. The card is my biggest hope that the inquisitor even made a dent in his plans which are likely self destructive as all hell.
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Hi All. I'm new to this forum and I've been picking my way through trying to find info on the Tarot Cards. Like many of you I romanced Solas and I found it odd that he didn't flip to the Tower card after the finale since he so firmly ended it with the inquisitor. It felt to me like one of the moments in the plot where all your choices (although fun and rewarding) would not change his final state of mind or the direction the writers are taking us. I find it really odd and it feels like a loose end. Does anyone know if Bioware intended to not flip the card or is this just a bug? I noticed that all companions end on a romance card if you romanced them so maybe it's just a design default state but considering how much thought went into Solas I question Bioware over looking a detail that would communicate the wrong idea.

The meaning of the 2 cards leaves us on such vastly different beats and it feels incredibly ambitious ( I like ambitious!) to imagine Bioware reconciling that in DA4 or DLC. How can Solas rip the world apart as the Hierophant ya know? I'm so so intrigued and naturally hoping for a chance to continue the romance I started. The card is my biggest hope that the inquisitor even made a dent in his plans which are likely self destructive as all hell.

The tarot card you get when you romance him - the heirophant - has a lot of different meanings. Since it's for the romanced only Inquisitor and I think represents THAT it means essentially soul-mates. Two equals journeying through life together yadda yadda.    ALSO - the reveresed card means iconclast, rebel etc.  Again, these tarot cards are symbols of the characters.  They highlight one important aspect of their life or their person.  Since PW has adamantly stated that Solas will always be written for the crit/story path first and the romance second - I think whatever happens is going to happen to ALL Inquistiors.   I think PW is loathe to make it different for a friend-manced Solas.   A romanced Solas may obvioulsy have different dialogue and a bit more drama, but that may be about it.  That's not to say it's not important, you see what a positive impact that the romance had on his life.   Whereas - even as a friend - Solas leaves the Inquisition knowing that he is going some awful things before all is said and done.  Thus the Tower.

 

I don't think the tarot cards are UNIMPORTANT but I think they only show and symbolize what happened to that character during the inquistion. 


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The tarot card you get when you romance him - the heirophant - has a lot of different meanings. Since it's for the romanced only Inquisitor and I think represents THAT it means essentially soul-mates. Two equals journeying through life together yadda yadda.    ALSO - the reveresed card means iconclast, rebel etc.  Again, these tarot cards are symbols of the characters.  They highlight one important aspect of their life or their person.  Since PW has adamantly stated that Solas will always be written for the crit/story path first and the romance second - I think whatever happens is going to happen to ALL Inquistiors.   I think PW is loathe to make it different for a friend-manced Solas.   A romanced Solas may obvioulsy have different dialogue and a bit more drama, but that may be about it.  That's not to say it's not important, you see what a positive impact that the romance had on his life.   Whereas - even as a friend - Solas leaves the Inquisition knowing that he is going some awful things before all is said and done.  Thus the Tower.

 

I don't think the tarot cards are UNIMPORTANT but I think they only show and symbolize what happened to that character during the inquistion. 

 

Thanks so much for your response. I interpreted the cards to reflect a current state of mind for each companion. I also think it's linked to DAI but the Tower is the one that felt like it had consequences beyond the game. I suppose we could interpret it to being tied to the orb breaking, thus we stay firmly planted in DAI events. The event seems to have changed Solas's plans. 

 

I also read that Solas was CritPath and it feels like the romance was more about his character development. That bums me out (forgive me for admitting it) because we never feel like we're in the driver's seat in that relationship BUT I accept that there's some realism in that too, right? I also found it sad that you're locked into heartbreak forevvverrrrrrr with your Inquisitor. Ugh. Just all around great writing and story development.

 

I still think it's weird that he doesn't flip to the Tower after the orb breaks since he's devastated no matter what your relationship is. I want to collect that card too although the communication is dark. You mentioned PW - Did they ever happen to confirm that the cards are not bugged? 


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I've been hellspiraling to this one lately because it makes me really terrified for whatever Solas is planning and the thought that he might sacrifice himself to achieve it. 

 

https://youtu.be/A5JaxMaCIw4

 

"Living beyond your years, acting out all their fears, you feel it in your chest"

"Standing on the cliff face, highest fall you'll ever grace. It scares me half to death. Look to the future, but it tells you nothing, so take another breath."

 

"You put up your defenses when you leave. You leave because you're certain of who you want to be."



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I don't think the tarot cards are UNIMPORTANT but I think they only show and symbolize what happened to that character during the inquistion. 

 

This is likely the case. Mike Laidlaw, the creative director for the series, mentioned loving the Persona series; in the last two installments of those games, tarot cards served as an indicator of the character's personality/current trajectory as well. If I remember correctly, in the last Q&A with Kotaku, there was some talk of taking more cues from JRPGs.


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Thanks so much for your response. I interpreted the cards to reflect a current state of mind for each companion. I also think it's linked to DAI but the Tower is the one that felt like it had consequences beyond the game. I suppose we could interpret it to being tied to the orb breaking, thus we stay firmly planted in DAI events. The event seems to have changed Solas's plans. 

 

I've always wondered if it's possible for the Tarot cards of DAI to reflect actual Tarot cards in regards to the major and minor arcana. I think that would be really interesting if they did. But I don't know enough about Tarot to even begin an analysis. And in the end, the "tarot" aspect probably relates more to design that specific meaning in regards to traditional tarot cards.

 

Just my musings... 



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I'm very late to the party, but I was just pondering about what the first Disney movie I ever saw was.  I think it was Cinderella. I remember my parents buying the movie for me on VHS when I was very little. I also remember seeing Pinocchio at a very young age, so it could have been that instead. Anyway, I just woke up 20 mins ago and I'm not all here yet...sorry for the rambling..lol. I'm gonna go see if there is new art to post now.



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New Message Sent chapter, yay!

 

*Reads it.*

 

Ugh. Now I have to wait again. Only getting back into fan fiction recently, I forgot how much torture being up to date on ongoing stories is, with having to wait for each chapter. 


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Art

 

Art Dump

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Solas and Levallan

http://deethedoodler...olour-528282028

 

In Hushed Whispers Part 8 *sniffles*

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The tarot card you get when you romance him - the heirophant - has a lot of different meanings. Since it's for the romanced only Inquisitor and I think represents THAT it means essentially soul-mates. Two equals journeying through life together yadda yadda.    ALSO - the reveresed card means iconclast, rebel etc.  Again, these tarot cards are symbols of the characters.  They highlight one important aspect of their life or their person.  Since PW has adamantly stated that Solas will always be written for the crit/story path first and the romance second - I think whatever happens is going to happen to ALL Inquistiors.   I think PW is loathe to make it different for a friend-manced Solas.   A romanced Solas may obvioulsy have different dialogue and a bit more drama, but that may be about it.  That's not to say it's not important, you see what a positive impact that the romance had on his life.   Whereas - even as a friend - Solas leaves the Inquisition knowing that he is going some awful things before all is said and done.  Thus the Tower.

 

I don't think the tarot cards are UNIMPORTANT but I think they only show and symbolize what happened to that character during the inquistion. 

 

 

Not sure I entirely agree, I mean, of course,  given game logistics and above all financial constraints it may well be that the difference between the cards is not significant. However in symbolic terms, the prospect they present is quite different and only refers to Solas. for me the key part of the significance of The Hierophant would be:

 

Also, the Hierophant can represent an aware and enlightened leader, having greater awareness, wisdom, and understanding than most, who then gives teaching and guidance to others. For instance, the spiritual prophet who communicates with the divine, then shares his insight and understanding to those in his group, community or society. He is an individual who can possibly perceive things happening in situations on multiple levels. He can see clearly what is happening in a situation, on the surface (on a public or material level), below the surface (on a private or hidden level), as well as above the surface (i.e.: on a global wholistic, or spiritual level.). As well, this can refer to a person may have access to knowledge, understanding, power or influence on a number of levels,or in a number of different ways, that he can use to benefit those he serves, who are part of his specific group, tribe, or community.

 

 

Whereas for The Tower, it would be:

To some, it symbolizes failure, ruin and catastrophe.
To others, the Tower represents the paradigms constructed by the ego, the sum total of all schema that the mind constructs to understand the universe. The Tower is struck by lightning when reality does not conform to expectation.

The querent may be holding on to false ideas or pretenses; a new approach to thinking about the problem is needed. The querent is advised to think outside the box. The querent is warned that truth may not oblige schema. It may be time for the querent to re-examine belief structures, ideologies, and paradigms they hold to. The card may also point toward seeking education or higher knowledge.
As stated above, this card often features lightning in the background; the lightning is a sign that current values and hierarchies are about to be toppled, transforming the querent and/or the situation, and upheaval is imminent. Many agree that while this change may often be difficult, it doesn't necessarily need to be a bad thing—it could be a change for the better.

 

 

Summing up I would say that The Hierophant represents a contented, integrated being, whereas The Tower represents very much someone who is at war with himself and unfulfilled. This is a fundamental difference, but it would may well be that Kissie is right and this will never be fully implemented in the game.

 

It is also worth noting that there are two figures on each of the cards, on The Hierophant the Elven form is predominant, it wears rich robes denoting high status, and the wolf form, which is white, seems to be subject to it and content. On the other hand in The Tower card, the wolf, a monstrous black wolf with several red eyes, is clearly dominant and the Elven form is merely a huddled figure in the background.

 

It should be noted that on both cards the Elven form holds a staff, which quite apart from any Freudian interpretations, is a symbol of power and authority.


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Thanks so much for your response. I interpreted the cards to reflect a current state of mind for each companion. I also think it's linked to DAI but the Tower is the one that felt like it had consequences beyond the game. I suppose we could interpret it to being tied to the orb breaking, thus we stay firmly planted in DAI events. The event seems to have changed Solas's plans. 

 

I also read that Solas was CritPath and it feels like the romance was more about his character development. That bums me out (forgive me for admitting it) because we never feel like we're in the driver's seat in that relationship BUT I accept that there's some realism in that too, right? I also found it sad that you're locked into heartbreak forevvverrrrrrr with your Inquisitor. Ugh. Just all around great writing and story development.

 

I still think it's weird that he doesn't flip to the Tower after the orb breaks since he's devastated no matter what your relationship is. I want to collect that card too although the communication is dark. You mentioned PW - Did they ever happen to confirm that the cards are not bugged? 

Well i think part of the reason that it was critpath is that because he was never intended to be a romance.  It was added at the last second.  But also, I think his character and by extension his actions, are far and away more important than the romance to the story of dragon age.  I don't think he's ever going to abandon anything for the Inqusitor.  I think it would be you that had to abandon your seat of power for him.   Again, I don't think he'd want you to make that decision all "oh hahren yes I will follow you every where" said n the most girlish voice. I think it's something he would want you to make with full undertanding of what is to come and then that you want to undertake the task at hand for you. The Heirophant card symbolizes equality in realtionships. You are the same level as him. He learns just as much from you as you do from him.  I also suspect, that card was picked to UNDERSCORE that. There is such a weird power-imbalance with him that might erk some players out. 

 

 

 

The cards are not bugged.  Only the romance path gets the Heirophant.  Like a lot of the other companions. They have friend cards. They have romanced cards. Again, it highlights an important part of their life with the Inquisition. For Solas, despite the broken orb, the romanced Inquisitor was very important(as much as I am loathe to say these things right now).  He's likely consumed with as much pain over breaking it off with Lavellan as he is with the orb.  


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Well i think part of the reason that it was critpath is that because he was never intended to be a romance.  It was added at the last second.  But also, I think his character and by extension his actions, are far and away more important than the romance to the story of dragon age.  I don't think he's ever going to abandon anything for the Inqusitor.  I think it would be you that had to abandon your seat of power for him.   Again, I don't think he'd want you to make that decision all "oh hahren yes I will follow you every where" said n the most girlish voice. I think it's something he would want you to make with full undertanding of what is to come and then that you want to undertake the task at hand for you. The Heirophant card symbolizes equality in realtionships. You are the same level as him. He learns just as much from you as you do from him.  I also suspect, that card was picked to UNDERSCORE that. There is such a weird power-imbalance with him that might erk some players out. 

 

 

 

The cards are not bugged.  Only the romance path gets the Heirophant.  Like a lot of the other companions. They have friend cards. They have romanced cards. Again, it highlights an important part of their life with the Inquisition. For Solas, despite the broken orb, the romanced Inquisitor was very important(as much as I am loathe to say these things right now).  He's likely consumed with as much pain over breaking it off with Lavellan as he is with the orb.  

 

I very much doubt the Hierophant can be interpreted as meaning equality in relationships, the Hierophant, like the Pope, is an extremely powerful individual, but as in Highlander... 

 

HIGHLANDER.GIF

 

Sure, the Hierophant is an educator, he wouldn't want you to follow him unless you knew what you were letting yourself in for, but that is not the same as being equal... And note, Solas even puts himself, or rather his mission, over the wellbeing of Mythal's current avatar.



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Only the romance path gets the Heirophant. 

 

Question. How do we know Solas' romance card is the Heirophant? I've seen people using specific names for the Tarot cards, I haven't seen anything in game or on the wiki or anything like that that actually names the cards as relating to specific tarot arcana. 



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Question. How do we know Solas' romance card is the Heirophant? I've seen people using specific names for the Tarot cards, I haven't seen anything in game or on the wiki or anything like that that actually names the cards as relating to specific tarot arcana. 

 

The DAI tarot cards deck that you get when you buy Dragon Age: Inquisition Inquistor's Edition have the names of the Tarot cards on it.

 

SOURCE

 

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Guys! Chapter 9 of Message Sent is now up!  :wizard:  :wizard:  :wizard:

 

*goes to read it*

 

EDIT: Just finished reading it... Now I'm impatient for the next chapter... *___*

 

That was toooooo adorable. Ugh, now the wait.

 

 



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New Message Sent chapter, yay!

 

*Reads it.*

 

Ugh. Now I have to wait again. Only getting back into fan fiction recently, I forgot how much torture being up to date on ongoing stories is, with having to wait for each chapter. 

 

 

I keep breaking my own rule about not starting unfinished series of any kind.

 

 

THANK YOU so much, guys, and also to the people who liked the post. It really really really really means a lot to me <3
I am going to get professional help soon, and I hope things will become better, in time. Coming here and reading you all is already a great moment of my day.

Today I had a particularily bad start of day - I had to undergo a surgery (foot, nothing dramatic but it hurts like hell now - guess it means I can stay at home and read all the thread haha), but it didn't really go well

Wonderful story put under spoilers because I'm really really hurting right now, and it made me so anxious and confused and afraid and I need to vent

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I may have missed your previous post, but I do hope things improve for you. Getting help is one of those things where you kind of get the tools to help make life more manageable.

 

Glad that you insisted with the doctor today. Many never listen. But sometimes you must insist they do.


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That was toooooo adorable. Ugh, now the wait.

 

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Weekes just tweeted this ! Could it be with Solas? OMG

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The DAI tarot cards deck that you get when you buy Dragon Age: Inquisition Inquistor's Edition have the names of the Tarot cards on it.

 

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Is there any place I can find a list? I'd love to examine these according to original tarot.

 

Do we know what his third card is called?



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Is there any place I can find a list? I'd love to examine these according to original tarot.

 

Do we know what his third card is called?

It's The Tower.



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Is there any place I can find a list? I'd love to examine these according to original tarot.

 

Do we know what his third card is called?

 

I'm not sure about a list, but his third card is The Tower.

 

Solas_The_Tower.PNG

 

When you buy the shirt version, even the Bioware Store calls it The Tower Tarot Card Tee.

 

http://www.biowarest...ladies-tee.html


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I figured something like that would happen too.

 

And then I kind of squealed?

 

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