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[Illyria]

I feel like this would be the best choice, morally and otherwise (since it's very much proven that Celene and Briala together are a recipe for disaster, and coercing Briala back into that relationship always leaves a bad taste in my mouth) if the evidence against were Gaspard more damning, and if he was quite a bit stupider than he actually is.

 

Based on his actions in The Masked Empire, he may hate The Game, but he's not a moron by any stretch of the imagination and I seriously doubt that he would allow himself to remain a puppet for any considerable period of time. Despite taking his honour as a chevalier very seriously, he has no problem staging a (technically successful, if not for bizarro extenuating circumstances) coup against Celene because he sees his actions as being for the betterment of Orlais, and he manages to convince a lot of other people to join him by following this line of thinking. I could definitely see him finding a similarly roundabout way of justifying his actions at the peace talks as well. In the greater context of 'dodgy court dealings' what he did there really isn't that bad (one Ferelden guy saying Gaspard's a dick?), and if he wanted to get out from under Briala's thumb he would definitely be capable of doing so.

 

So, that's why I generally try to get Celene and Briala back together, because even if they're an utter disaster there's a level of ongoing sentimentality that remains between them, and I feel like they'll have a lot more trouble trying to escape each others influence in the long run.

 

I don't agree at all that I'm 'coercing' Bria into anything.  Her dialogue (both at the end of the book and in the game) makes it very clear she still loves Celene despite everything she did to her.  All I did was find the locket and show it to both them.  They were the ones that decided to give the relationship a second chance.

[Catfishers]

I don't agree at all that I'm 'coercing' Bria into anything.  Her dialogue (both at the end of the book and in the game) makes it very clear she still loves Celene despite everything she did to her.  All I did was find the locket and show it to both them.  They were the ones that decided to give the relationship a second chance.

 

Sorry, I didn't mean to give offence. She does clearly still have feelings for Celene, and obviously all you do is show them a locket and then they do the rest. That wording is more just my personal feelings on the matter bleeding through.

[nikki-tikki]

Gaspard for President.

[Illyria]

Sorry, I didn't mean to give offence. She does clearly still have feelings for Celene, and obviously all you do is show them a locket and then they do the rest. That wording is more just my personal feelings on the matter bleeding through.

 

Sorry, I didn't mean to sound so snappy in my response.

 

Thanks to TME I had no intention of ever reconciling Celene and Bria until I found the locket and got that dialogue. 

 

I wish the game had done more with the elven rebellion, and that we could've visited the city of Halamshiral. I wanted a chance to properly support Bria's fight. 
 

[Illyria]

Gaspard for President.

 

Gaspard is fantastic.  I'd love to have him a friend and go out drinking together.

 

But I wouldn't leave him in charge of anything. 

[Siha]

Technically Gaspard started the civil war. He sprung a trap that no, she didn't have to fall into, but he threatened her first and then goaded her into an ambush.

 

Sorry, I did not read the books and don't understand a word of what you say.  

But it doesn't matter even. In the game everybody tells us either how she did it or how "those nobles" did it. My Inquisitor has the same knowledge I or the people of Thedas have: none beyond what they could get from a magazine. And sometimes it only matters how things are perceived. Truth isn't worth much if it's not (publicly) known.

 

<referring to Siha: B+G>

 

I feel like this would be the best choice, morally and otherwise (since it's very much proven that Celene and Briala together are a recipe for disaster, and coercing Briala back into that relationship always leaves a bad taste in my mouth) if the evidence against were Gaspard more damning, and if he was quite a bit stupider than he actually is.

 

Based on his actions in The Masked Empire, he may hate The Game, but he's not a moron by any stretch of the imagination ....

 

So, that's why I generally try to get Celene and Briala back together, because even if they're an utter disaster there's a level of ongoing sentimentality that remains between them, and I feel like they'll have a lot more trouble trying to escape each others influence in the long run.

 

So, just to make sure I get it:

 

1) You think that Gaspard + Briala together would work for a while, until he'd decide to rule alone.  

2) Which wouldn't be too bad though because he's an okay guy who cares more about his people than the Game.

3) You think reconciling Celene and Briala is not desirable.

4) And that is why you let Briala + Celene rule. (Because you assume some sentiment that will stop them from doing what they already did before.)

 

I fear I don't get it.

[Catfishers]

So, just to make sure I get it:

 

1) You think that Gaspard + Briala together would work for a while, until he'd decide to rule alone.  

2) Which wouldn't be too bad though because he's an okay guy who cares more about his people than the Game.

3) You think reconciling Celene and Briala is not desirable.

4) And that is why you let Briala + Celene rule. (Because you assume some sentiment that will stop them from doing what they already did before.)

 

I fear I don't get it.

 

From the perspective of trying to make the choice that's most beneficial for Elves, I feel like Briala would be able to control Gaspard for a while, but not indefinitely. 

 

I didn't meant to make it seem like I don't think Gaspard is a shitbag. My comments on The Game were more to imply that, while he doesn't really go in for the Orlesian style of politics, he's not completely bereft of sense, and is a strong military leader. That said, I don't even think he cares about his people that much (he says himself in TME that his coup was largely self-serving), saying he's doing everything for Orlais is just a nice way to side-step his 'Chevalier Honour'. I think he'd make a terrible Emperor, I just don't think he's a moron. As in, I don't think you could keep him as a puppet for very long, after which point the situation for Elves in Orlais would go right back down the toilet.

 

I don't think that getting Celene and Briala back together is the greatest thing to do morally, since their history is… sketchy to say the least. But I think that their personal attachments to one another, however misguided, would lead to a longer lasting collaboration which would be of the most benefit to Orlesian Elves.

[Maria13]

Also, as to the previous discussion about friends and this Solas crazy train, I was chatting with one of mine not long ago over Facebook and from her responses, I could kind of just picture the eye rolls.

 

But you guys....

Spoiler

 

 

I peeked at someone's Reddit post with the Solas pages from WoT 2 even though I thought I'd wait.

 

That's interesting, it's all positive.... And Cullen's statement... Hmmm...

[CapricornSun]

That's interesting, it's all positive.... And Cullen's statement... Hmmm...

 

Are you talking about:

 

Spoiler

“A demon might kill him someday, but it will never possess him. He’s too much like they are.”

[Maria13]

Are you talking about:

 

Spoiler

“A demon might kill him someday, but it will never possess him. He’s too much like they are.”

  

Yep. A little strange they would put that in Cullen's mouth... Although... Hmmm, yeah Cullen knows of whence he speaks....

[Addai]

I don't think that getting Celene and Briala back together is the greatest thing to do morally, since their history is… sketchy to say the least. But I think that their personal attachments to one another, however misguided, would lead to a longer lasting collaboration which would be of the most benefit to Orlesian Elves.

More likely that Celene would throw out a few token "reforms," then when it gets politically hot again, she can always butcher another alienage.

 

Like the Divine choice, I honestly don't think it matters much one way or another. More like flavor differences. So I go with Gaspard. Same pit, slightly less bullshit.

[Siha]

I honestly don't think it matters much one way or another. More like flavor differences.

 
That's true. Put them all in a sack and flog it, you'll always hit the right one.

[MoonDrummer]

Celene has died on every playthrough I've had, can't stand her. Whenever I play with an elf briala rules through Gaspard. If I am not an elf Gaspard rules alone.

All three of them are terrible people, Celene has been willing to butcher thousands of Orlesian elves, Gaspard has been willing To let her do so and briala is willing to let Orlesian suffer to further her cause.

I go for Gaspard because he is the rightful emperor, having a great general around seems useful, I don't care about Orlais, his speech at the palace is the start of a Ameridan-Drakon tier bromance, and he says that he despises the game. That last thing on its own really.

It's going to matter about as much as who rules Ferelden in the end anyhow. So you might aswell put on a blindfold and throw a dart.

Spoiler

[Illyria]

Celene has died on every playthrough I've had, can't stand her. Whenever I play with an elf briala rules through Gaspard. If I am not an elf Gaspard rules alone.

All three of them are terrible people, Celene has been willing to butcher thousands of Orlesian elves, Gaspard has been willing To let her do so and briala is willing to let Orlesian suffer to further her cause.

I go for Gaspard because he is the rightful emperor, having a great general around seems useful, I don't care about Orlais, his speech at the palace is the start of a Ameridan-Drakon tier bromance, and he says that he despises the game. That last thing on its own really.

It's going to matter about as much as who rules Ferelden in the end anyhow. So you might aswell put on a blindfold and throw a dart.

Spoiler

 

Celene is just as much the rightful ruler as Gaspard.  I'd say she's got a greater right, actually.  If Gaspard had truly wanted to be Emperor he'd have played the Game like Celene did and taken the throne years ago.

[Lunapur]

Guys i wanted to share this with ya the song i just found on you tube,feels weird but it helped me not crying over Solas over and over again,i actually manage to get through my videos listening to this song and smile while doing it,maybe my process of healing has begun after so many months.Still bittersweet but it helped me and i hope it will help other people here :)I asked my friend if it's weird to link this and he said if this helped you it may help others as well!Maybe is the way she expresses it in her song

https://www.youtube....h?v=PaKr9gWqwl4

[Heidirs]

I'm seriously struggling here ... Briala mastermind rules or Celene/Briala rule together... 

I'm a few levels away from Wicked Eyes and really am torn. I am about halfway through reading The Masked Empire and I thought I wouldn't feel bad if Celene died ... 

After watching Celene get assasinated (>_<) and reading a bit more of the book, I would bad for killing her off. However I REALLY want better for the Orlaisian elves, but I don't know if Celene/Briala will be enough for the betterment of the elves. 

I may sound completely crazy or reading too much into this, but I really don't want to mess up my canon playthrough (yes it's my 2nd time beating the game and 4+ playthrough) Damn you Celene! I shouldn't feel bad when I kill you off! 

I should really have posted this in the elf support thread xD 

 

I haven't read the book yet, so looking at this from purely what you are given in the game:

 

If you show the locket to Celene, she admits that she should have done more for the elves, but that while she can pass laws she can't sway the noble's hearts. So, basically, while she'd like to do more, she knows that won't win her any favors. You can get her and Briala to rule together, but the epilogue card says nothing about this benefiting the elves. What it does say is peace is shaky, and there's doubts as to how long the relationship between Celene and Briala will last.

 

My interpretation of that is that Celene again is unwilling to make the changes Briala wants, leaving the elves no better off. So if the goal for you is to make change for the elves, it's my opinion that having Briala rule through Gaspard is the better choice. Her changes might be radical and they might be pushing Orlais toward civil war (but really, all the epilogue cards hint toward that no matter what you do) but at least some change is made.

 

Just my two cents.

[lynroy]

Gaider has had his first cup of coffee in about a month and it seems to be doing strange things .
 

David Gaider ‏@davidgaider 

And now the sugar is telling me to write a Dragon Age AU fic in Regency era England. With zombies.
 

David Gaider ‏@davidgaider 

I can see it now. Desire repressed behind proper manners as Solas drinks tea. Matchmaking. Cassandra in a petticoat. THE APOCALYPSE.
 

David Gaider ‏@davidgaider 

Solas standing in the rain. "I fear I must end our engagement, Miss Lavellan." "Because of the zombies?" "...No." THUNDER.

[Heidirs]

Guys i wanted to share this with ya the song i just found on you tube,feels weird but it helped me not crying over Solas over and over again,i actually manage to get through my videos listening to this song and smile while doing it,maybe my process of healing has begun after so many months.Still bittersweet but it helped me and i hope it will help other people here :)I asked my friend if it's weird to link this and he said if this helped you it may help others as well!Maybe is the way she expresses it in her song

https://www.youtube....h?v=PaKr9gWqwl4

 

The point of a hellspiral is not to heal. It's to hellspiral.

 

Spoiler

 

But thank you for the share.

[Maria13]

Gaider has had his first cup of coffee in about a month and it seems to be doing strange things .
 

David Gaider ‏@davidgaider 

And now the sugar is telling me to write a Dragon Age AU fic in Regency era England. With zombies.
 

David Gaider ‏@davidgaider 

I can see it now. Desire repressed behind proper manners as Solas drinks tea. Matchmaking. Cassandra in a petticoat. THE APOCALYPSE.
 

David Gaider ‏@davidgaider 

Solas standing in the rain. "I fear I must end our engagement, Miss Lavellan." "Because of the zombies?" "...No." THUNDER.

 

Wow! I want that tea, coffee or whatever the hell it is...

 

[Heidirs]

I wanted to share this invaluable Fereldan map with approximate travel times for those writing fanfic. I wish I had this weeks ago.

 

http://daydreamsonac...-i-travel-times

[Illyria]

Gaider has had his first cup of coffee in about a month and it seems to be doing strange things .
 

David Gaider ‏@davidgaider 

And now the sugar is telling me to write a Dragon Age AU fic in Regency era England. With zombies.
 

David Gaider ‏@davidgaider 

I can see it now. Desire repressed behind proper manners as Solas drinks tea. Matchmaking. Cassandra in a petticoat. THE APOCALYPSE.
 

David Gaider ‏@davidgaider 

Solas standing in the rain. "I fear I must end our engagement, Miss Lavellan." "Because of the zombies?" "...No." THUNDER.

 

Whatever it is that Gaider is drinking I want it.

 

EDIT: Update

 

https://twitter.com/...857619817893888

[lynroy]

Wow! I want that tea, coffee or whatever the hell it is...

 

Whatever it is that Gaider is drinking I want it.

 

EDIT: Update

 

https://twitter.com/...857619817893888

Caramel latte I'm guessing:
 

David Gaider ‏@davidgaider 

"Why is that man wide-eyed and sweating?"
"He just came off a month-long cleanse with a caramel latte."
"Wow. Life choices, man."

[Heidirs]

David Gaider ‏@davidgaider 

And now the sugar is telling me to write a Dragon Age AU fic in Regency era England. With zombies.
 

David Gaider ‏@davidgaider 

I can see it now. Desire repressed behind proper manners as Solas drinks tea. Matchmaking. Cassandra in a petticoat. THE APOCALYPSE.
 

David Gaider ‏@davidgaider 

Solas standing in the rain. "I fear I must end our engagement, Miss Lavellan." "Because of the zombies?" "...No." THUNDER.

 

I want this. All of it.

[Maria13]

Man, when you're a Bioware writer, there is nowhere to hide...

[Heidirs]

Oh, man. Why did this have to come on the radio?

 

https://youtu.be/OMD8hBsA-RI

 

Songs that are hellspirals in and of themselves are not allowed to further my fandom hellspirals. They're just not.