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#98201
BoscoBread

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To me, it's not even so much that the two characters are similar, but that you describe the situation of essentially anyone ever in the position of making decisions that affect many others (however well or terribly handled). It's the same sort of reason I have no problem believing Solas could be a 'bad guy.' Few people painted as evil in history or fiction are seriously thinking, "Can't wait to stuff more babies on spikes, today!" There are goals, plans, doctrines, ends that justify means, however terrible.

I'm not suggesting that they are always excusable - the opposite, really. The part that is strange to me is the belief that someone we love could never do that, when the wall dividing us ( me, my family, my religion, my culture, my country) from The Other (that does what we would never) is pretty flimsy, heh.

This. I hope his past is ugly. And I mean ugly.  I want the player to be challenged by what he did.  By what he may be doing.  Mostly I like agonizing decisions.  I probably won't hate him or even want to kill him because I'm sure he has a very logical reason for why he did what he did. And what he plans to do. I mean, I keep The Architect alive.  He made a very compelling case to me. 


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#98202
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You missed some ridiculousness with a prompt generator, but I'm sure Illyria will keep bringing it back.

 

Wait, what? Color me interested!



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 In the game no one really says that Ostagar was a bad plan and doomed to fail.

 

No one in game says that, but oh my god, as a player I was screaming at Calian and Duncan about how bad this plan was before I even knew what was going happen.

 

Calian's all. "This is going to be awesome. Yay, battle and glory. Did I mention glory? I'm really excited about that."

And Loghain and some other people are all. "You're not taking this seriously, and we don't have enough troops."

And Duncan is all. "Well, he's the king, so whatever."

 

And I'm all,

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Does someone in game have to specifically say it was bad situation for it to be true?


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#98204
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Wait, what? Color me interested!

http://www.scattered.../DAPrompts.html

 

If you want to see some of the ridiuclous prompts they are back for like 20 pages. 


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Seriously, can all of the characters with bad decision making skills (Solas, Cailan, Anders, need I continue my list?) sit down, have a tea party, and just think through these life decisions before they cause the universe to implode on itself? Solas can leave his tea detestation at the door and have flavored water. 

 

Edit: I'm kidding. Mostly. 



#98206
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No one in game says that, but oh my god, as I player I was screaming at Calian and Duncan about how bad this plan was before I even knew what was going happen.

Calian's all. "This is going to be awesome. Yay, battle and glory. Did I mention glory? I'm really excited about that."
And Loghain and some other people are all. "You're not taking this seriously, and we don't have enough troops."
And Duncan is all. "Well, he's the king, so whatever."

And I'm all,
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Does someone in game have to specifically say it was bad situation for it to be true?

Defending the bottle neck and the flanking and surrounding the enemy? I do it in total war all the time, so it never seemed like a bad plan to me.

There are a few things that annoy me about Ostagar though, like Duncan telling Cailan to wait for reinforcements, how can you wait for reinforcements when the Darkspawn are attacking you? That would involve packing up and going on the retreat with the darkspawn less than a day behind you. Which sounds like a terrible plan. :P

But that's enough about loghain and Ostagar lol.

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Duncan seemed pretty worried, to me, but unwilling to really duke it out with the only ruler anywhere not only willing but eager to fight the darkspawn, that believed him when he said the Blight-word. Loghain seemed much more willing to write the whole thing off as ridiculous, presumably because the king was swept up in the romance of old stories and the Wardens had sketch motives (I mean hellooo, barely back from exile), but since he seemed completely opposed, it was like "this plan or nothing, people."

 

If we're going to try to keep people from making bad decisions, though, I think you need to keep them from making decisions, which itself seems like one of those, "guys, I got a great idea" plans...


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#98208
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I actually disagree with this, I am 100% sure that there was a scraped blood Mage mind control plot, probably by the mages that work with Howe. To me it explains why Howe murdered the Couslands, because he really wouldn't have done that if he didn't know he would get away with it. Loghain also has quite a step down from "I alone will save ferelden" to "mistakes were made" really quickly.

It isn't until the dlc when Loghain actually defends his actions at Ostagar, so yeah, I think the whole morally grey action thing is a mixture of bioware covering their tracks and smelling their own farts.

That sounded ranty.

^^THIS.

 

There's that HUGE bloodmage coven in Denerim whose motives we never learn about. 



#98209
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Defending the bottle neck and the flankin and surrounding te enemy? I do it in total war all the time, so it never seemed like a bad plane to me.

 

The problem is that the army was already too small to do even this much. No consideration was made that there might be more Darkspawn than anticipated, which there most certainly was. Someone made an excellent explanation, complete with illustrations, of why the battle was so broken here, and I really recommend it because it's fascinating.


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#98210
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Duncan seemed pretty worried, to me, but unwilling to really duke it out with the only ruler anywhere not only willing but eager to fight the darkspawn, that believed him when he said the Blight-word. Loghain seemed much more willing to write the whole thing off as ridiculous, presumably because the king was swept up in the romance of old stories and the Wardens had sketch motives (I mean hellooo, barely back from exile), but since he seemed completely opposed, it was like "this plan or nothing, people."

 

If we're going to try to keep people from making bad decisions, though, I think you need to keep them from making decisions, which itself seems like one of those, "guys, I got a great idea" plans...

Worked out pretty well for South Park

 

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No head patting option.
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Seriously, can all of the characters with bad decision making skills (Solas, Cailan, Anders, need I continue my list?) sit down, have a tea party, and just think through these life decisions before they cause the universe to implode on itself? Solas can leave his tea detestation at the door and have flavored water. 

 

Edit: I'm kidding. Mostly. 

 

The teacups might explode with tainted lyrium.  Then quizzy comes in to check on them and is like,

 

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HI DELPHINE!  I hope all is better/well.  You missed some ridiculousness with a prompt generator, but I'm sure Illyria will keep bringing it back.

 

Alright, I'll give the prompts a rest.


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#98214
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Alright, I'll give the prompts a rest.

HAHAHA.  I KID!  ----  you also know you can't stop won't stop ;)



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The teacups might explode with tainted lyrium.  Then quizzy comes in to check on them and is like,

 

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I need to laugh at the images of this scenario you've created in my mind a few more moments. It calls for it.


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#98216
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HAHAHA.  I KID!  ----  you also know you can't stop won't stop ;)

 

I do have a tendency to overdo a joke, so I'll give it a rest.  It's fine.



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Ah... Pedant time...

 

We really don't know enough about what went down to accuse Solas of bad decision making...

 

Yet.



#98218
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You missed some ridiculousness with a prompt generator, but I'm sure Illyria will keep bringing it back.

 

MAKER NOOOOOOOOoooooooooooo


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#98219
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MAKER NOOOOOOOOoooooooooooo

 

Do we all need Andraste???

 

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From LadySiryna here: http://www.deviantar...raste-495195244


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#98220
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Ah... Pedant time...

 

We really don't know enough about what went down to accuse Solas of bad decision making...

 

Yet.

 

Solas: Yo, Corypheus. Hold this orb for me while put it on this hobo apostate outfit.

Corypheus: Kay... .... oooh, what does this button do?

Conclave: *explodes*

Solas: Okay, I'm back. I... well, F***


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Now I'm seeing Corypheus with blond pigtails and wearing a pink dress for some reason...


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#98222
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Solas: Yo, Corypheus. Hold this orb for me while put it on this hobo apostate outfit.

Corypheus: Kay... .... oooh, what does this button do?

Conclave: *explodes*

Solas: Okay, I'm back. I... well, F***

 

Well, yeah, it could have been exactly like that...

 

A bit like, "Yo, dude! Adam! Now don't eat from that tree, d'ya hear me?"



#98223
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MAKER NOOOOOOOOoooooooooooo

 

I'm sensing that people didn't like my fanfic...



#98224
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Now I'm seeing Corypheus with blond pigtails and wearing a pink dress for some reason...

 

Now in gif format!

 

Spoiler

 

Solas is now played by Morgan Freeman.


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#98225
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Now in gif format!

 

Spoiler

 

Solas is now played by Morgan Freeman.

 

Funnily enough, the first thing I did on reading your post was go off to watch asdf for the 'here, hold this' sketch.