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Ugh...i buy him nice clothes, expensive silks, beautiful soft leathers and he ****** tears that **** up the second it goes on. cuts the fronts of his boots off so he can rock that apostate hobo cred.   it's rude.

 

I almost hated switching to the JoH armor (his promo armor) because I had him in some really great looking armor that I tinted white and blue using the silk brocade and it also had boots.  Like, he looks so good in that one. It's in inventory for whenever, but I couldn't not make the promo armor.



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I almost hated switching to the JoH armor (his promo armor) because I had him in some really great looking armor that I tinted white and blue using the silk brocade and it also had boots.  Like, he looks so good in that one. It's in inventory for whenever, but I couldn't not make the promo armor.

So I played JoH AFTER the breakup but before Corypheus so I could have Solas dialogue.  Then I finished out my PT.  I put Solas in some brand new armor from a schematic that dropped there. And he got a nice new staff to leave with. The new armor though...he had boots on.  No holes, no weird-hilarious foot cut out. Just a solid set of shoes. I WAS SO PROUD.  BBY WAS LEAVING WITH HIS FEET PROTECTED. 


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And now we take a short pause for some art

 

What big teeth you have

http://the-zombie-ca...gifty-527371210

 

Dread Puppy

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I played on a save right before the Corypheus hattle, but I haven't finished it out because I'm not sure what else we might get before story DLC. I also have a few odds and ends on there. Like 1 bottle, a few astrariums and a bunch of mosaic pieces.



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And now we take a short pause for some art

 

What big teeth you have

http://the-zombie-ca...gifty-527371210

 

 

Unf! Solas' outfit in this one... or lack thereof. 

 

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(And it's that Lavellan with the same name as my Lavellan again... Not that I'm jealous that she gets to be in the same pic as that sexy egg right there or anything. Nope, not me.  :ph34r:)


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And now we take a short pause for some art

 

What big teeth you have

http://the-zombie-ca...gifty-527371210

 

But... but but... that's Connor/Ratonhnhaké'ton...  :?

 

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ooo....it does indeed look like him.

 

Makes me want to play Assassin's Creed again... 



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This is from a couple if pages back but I wondered where people got the idea that Briala hates the Dalish? She's not going out of her way to help them but she seems to have enormous respect for Felassan and he's as close to Dalish as he can pretend to be. She's understandably not a fan of the clan that trapped the, erm, choice spirit (and the choices they made).

I get a sense of frustration fromher, mush as I do from Solas, that the clans in general are short-sighted and stiff-necked nono real reason but hate is such a strong word! I don't think Solas hates the Dalish, either. He's disappointed and frustrated, certainly, but I think his reaction comes as much from guilt as disdain. He meant to make everything so much better for the slaves and now look at them! It must be hard for him not to blame the Dalish for how they live, to keep in mind that centuries have passed and the insular, suspicious people who upset him so deeply aren't to blame for losing hold of the tendrils of the Elven Glory that his generation destroyed.
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I felt like it was a good time for this again.


With Solas, I think you've got it right. These people cling to partial truths that they then build upon toward arrogance. He favors open-mindedness and thoughtful consideration, and many Dalish are (and this can be justified) suspicious and isolated because of their goal to preserve but also to retain independence and culture on their own terms. Solas seems to have made some attempts to reach out but, as in his disapproval path dialogue, he was rejected and seems weary of trying further.

 

With Briala, she never really knew the Dalish at all and Felassan clearly never brought her around to any clans until that clan. So, while they are elves, her exposure has been extremely limited and colored by filtered experiences. They aren't her people, and this is also something relevant to Solas since the "my people", "our people" , "your people" comes up several times.

 

Even as with Abelas and his "Elvhen such as you?" And the implication there if you have Solas with you (and you should. One of my friends didn't bring him to the temple, and our other friend and myself had already spoiled her on his identity long before and I went...."so....you went to an ancient elven temple and you didn't bring the ancient elven god?" :rolleyes: ).


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This is from a couple if pages back but I wondered where people got the idea that Briala hates the Dalish? She's not going out of her way to help them but she seems to have enormous respect for Felassan and he's as close to Dalish as he can pretend to be. She's understandably not a fan of the clan that trapped the, erm, choice spirit (and the choices they made).

 

Yeah, I didn't get the impression Briala had anything against the Dalish either. She held them up on a pedestal, were her last hope. She talks about trying to guide Celene's hand for the good of the Dalish as well as the city elves. She was gung ho about them up until she actually met a clan.

 

After that she was disillusioned, but I'd hardly say that turned into hatred of all things Dalish. Felassan made the argument to her that the one clan was representative of most of the Dalish and that the Dalish didn't think of HER as the same kind of elf as them, but I don't think it ever showed her deciding the same thing against all Dalish.

 

During the game itself, I don't remember her ever making a separation between her elves and the Dalish either--she just talks about fighting for elves in general. I think that makes her a great candidate for the elf that doesn't hate elves.

 

And, for the record, I'm one of those people that didn't like the Dalish in either of the first two games because they were just so superior and perfect. Now that they have flaws, they seem more complex and real and I absolutely love them. The flaws aren't crazy out there--wow-these-people-are-terrible flaws. They're just...they try so hard and they've gotten stuff wrong despite that--that makes their efforts more admirable to me. So the devs actually turned some people's opinions for the better.


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This is from a couple if pages back but I wondered where people got the idea that Briala hates the Dalish? She's not going out of her way to help them but she seems to have enormous respect for Felassan and he's as close to Dalish as he can pretend to be. She's understandably not a fan of the clan that trapped the, erm, choice spirit (and the choices they made).

I get a sense of frustration fromher, mush as I do from Solas, that the clans in general are short-sighted and stiff-necked nono real reason but hate is such a strong word! I don't think Solas hates the Dalish, either. He's disappointed and frustrated, certainly, but I think his reaction comes as much from guilt as disdain. He meant to make everything so much better for the slaves and now look at them! It must be hard for him not to blame the Dalish for how they live, to keep in mind that centuries have passed and the insular, suspicious people who upset him so deeply aren't to blame for losing hold of the tendrils of the Elven Glory that his generation destroyed.

I wouldn't say she hates the Dalish, she just has a chip on her shoulder, and makes one or two snarky comments at the winter palace. I'm not really sure what she did to help the Dalish, and I'm not really sure what she expected of the Dalish tbh.

 

She also seems to think that being a homeless nomad is the easy life.

 

And another also, Imshael only got out of his trap because big Mike decided to smash the bindings, if that Dalish clan had of just murdered them all on sight they would have been dandy. 


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I wouldn't say she hates the Dalish, she just has a chip on her shoulder, and makes one or two snarky comments at the winter palace. I'm not really sure what she did to help the Dalish, and I'm not really sure what she expected of the Dalish tbh.

 

She also seems to think that being a homeless nomad is the easy life.

 

And another also, Imshael only got out of his trap because big Mike decided to smash the bindings, if that Dalish clan had of just murdered them all on sight they would have been dandy. 

To add to this, she really doesn't have that much experience with the Dalish outside of this ridiculous plot she gets involved in. It's not exactly a great first impression.  And it's an extraordinary circumstance.  

 

However, like you say, she's not all that horrible about them. Just snotty...much like the Dalish(as a group) are about city-elves.  Look at Mihris when she sees Solas' un-tattooed face. She calls him a falt-ear. REAL POLITE.  Both groups are guilty of being shitty to eachother. Not hostile.  Just sort of bitchy.


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I wouldn't say she hates the Dalish, she just has a chip on her shoulder, and makes one or two snarky comments at the winter palace. I'm not really sure what she did to help the Dalish, and I'm not really sure what she expected of the Dalish tbh.

 

She also seems to think that being a homeless nomad is the easy life.

 

And another also, Imshael only got out of his trap because big Mike decided to smash the bindings, if that Dalish clan had of just murdered them all on sight they would have been dandy. 

 

Well, I think it's mostly inspired by resentment. She spied and passed information onto the Dalish through Felassan for years, and when she arrived at the clan for the first time, she expected to be welcome. They were nearly as furious that Felassan had brought a "flat ear" into their midst as they were about his bringing the Shemlen. They had no interest in helping City Elves, and considered them to be quite lost to the evils of Shemlen society. Briala had been thinking of them all as Elves, equally, and therefore all united by that. 

 

That Dalish clan disabused her of that notion, and all they offered her was threats and hostility. So, she's chosen to forsake the entirety of the Dalish in return.



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For some reason I can't automatically produce quotes or paste text. So to Maria13:

 

Given Solas' background, I get the impression he grew up studying a lot and then rebelled against the Establishment. From what he's said about the other Elven gods at the Temple of Mythal it's implied he rebelled because he knew most of them to be oppressive and selfish. He acts like an Intelligentsia, who prefers higher thought and wishes to modernize society beyond religious servitude. His attitude towards the Emerald Knights, what happened with the Sulevin Blade, can be attributed as a disdain at how Elven people have degraded after the collapse.

 

The way he talks about the fall of the Dwarven Empire obviously bugs Varric yet Solas keeps bringing it up. That part about them not being able to dream because they're a 'limb' of something greater was insensitive. Mix that in Dagna's vision after examining the Fade remains and we can tell that Solas knows something.

 

Recently, I played this game with a Qunari warrior Inquisitor. I didn't get the same banter between Solas and the Iron Bull about the Qun. But I do remember it from my previous character plays. So when Solas personally spoke to my Qunari in the bedchamber, he referred to the Qunari as savages held by the strict code of the Qun. Now Solas grew up during a time when the Elves were enjoying immortal lives and great magical prosperity. The Qunari migrated to Par Vollen, possibly having to change themselves from their Kossith roots. Add the fact that they're natural Reavers and it's understandable why they need the Qun to control themselves. Solas acts like he believes with enough knowledge great power can used wisely. It's a huge pitfall to intellectual thought to underestimate the base desires of people.

 

Hello again!

 

I have to a large extent the same impression as you about Solas' background, he acts and behaves like intelligentsia, highly educated, skeptical, critical, detached, wishing to bring some form of enlightenment to society etc. etc. but the truth is this is an assumption. We have no idea who he is, who he was or where he is going...

 

My speculation is that he is somehow either an enlightened ancient one or some sort of  "creature" either created from scratch (Mythal, Ghila'nain) or "ascended" or "adopted" by Mythal, let's not forget he apparently has a wolf form, which may be his original form. I do think, however, he is somewhat of an outsider to the elven pantheon, let's say he's a guest in the country club but not a founding member. In other words, to an extent, he's a self-made elf (or would that be wolf/elf/), evolved, hence the distance he adopts towards them... Plus there's his comments about sex and intrigue in Halamshiral where he chooses to go undercover disguised as a servant, which makes me think he's used to being an outsider, he's used to using his wits and he's used to being underestimated and overlooked.

 

But all this is speculation. I don't take the emerald knights comments as disdain for one side or the other but rather as the comments of someone who's began to see things from a new historical perspective and is seeking to find some balance.

 

I don't quite follow what you are saying about the dwarves... Sure he makes insensitive comments, he makes them about almost everyone, and I am not quite sure what his intentions are, sometimes I suspect it's his way of getting the measure of whom he is dealing with, challenging something about their culture to see how they react, to see if they are capable of engaging in reasoned argument. He's a tad socratic like that... But likewise he delivers praise and quite frequently.

 

You may be sure that Solas knows things be we have know idea what he knows... From his comments to Blackwell about the old gods it seems he knows something about those and disapproves of how the grey wardens are handling them, but we don't know what he knows so we are in no position to judge whether his withholding information is harmful or not... I suspect in the main his approach would be that unless it is absolutely necessary to divulge something, it's better that people discover or rediscover things for themselves. He seems pretty didactic like that.

 

I really don't think he underestimates people's base instincts, he has his own to contend with for a start, and he is fully aware that he's handling them badly, first getting emotionally entangled with Lavellan and then having to extricate himself with the resulting pain on both side.

 

Anyway, I am enjoying this discussion...


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So I played JoH AFTER the breakup but before Corypheus so I could have Solas dialogue.  Then I finished out my PT.  I put Solas in some brand new armor from a schematic that dropped there. And he got a nice new staff to leave with. The new armor though...he had boots on.  No holes, no weird-hilarious foot cut out. Just a solid set of shoes. I WAS SO PROUD.  BBY WAS LEAVING WITH HIS FEET PROTECTED. 

 

BBY knows he's a long way to go!



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Well, I think it's mostly inspired by resentment. She spied and passed information onto the Dalish through Felassan for years, and when she arrived at the clan for the first time, she expected to be welcome. They were nearly as furious that Felassan had brought a "flat ear" into their midst as they were about his bringing the Shemlen. They had no interest in helping City Elves, and considered them to be quite lost to the evils of Shemlen society. Briala had been thinking of them all as Elves, equally, and therefore all united by that. 

 

That Dalish clan disabused her of that notion, and all they offered her was threats and hostility. So, she's chosen to forsake the entirety of the Dalish in return.

True. But that Dalish clan give Briala freedom of the camp on virtue of pointy ears and big eyes, she supplied Michel with a towel so deadly it makes Solas' orb look like a nerf gun, and they all died for it. 

 

I'm not really sure what my point is, don't half-ass being an ass, I suppose.


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Well, I think it's mostly inspired by resentment. She spied and passed information onto the Dalish through Felassan for years, and when she arrived at the clan for the first time, she expected to be welcome. They were nearly as furious that Felassan had brought a "flat ear" into their midst as they were about his bringing the Shemlen. They had no interest in helping City Elves, and considered them to be quite lost to the evils of Shemlen society. Briala had been thinking of them all as Elves, equally, and therefore all united by that. 

 

That Dalish clan disabused her of that notion, and all they offered her was threats and hostility. So, she's chosen to forsake the entirety of the Dalish in return.

 

Maybe I'm just not remembering well enough, but I don't recall the part where she forsakes the entirety of the Dalish.



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I'm not really sure what my point is, don't half-ass being an ass, I suppose.

 

 

Damn good advice!  :lol:

 

Maybe I'm just not remembering well enough, but I don't recall the part where she forsakes the entirety of the Dalish.

 

That's just my take on her reaction. Right around the point she decides to take action she knows will lead to the clan's destruction, there's a sense of finality to her thoughts. And afterwards, she still shows signs of intense resentment toward the Dalish. I believe that this is indicative of her intent to focus on helping primarily City Elves going forward. The clan she met might not be the ultimate standard Dalish clan, but her perception of it has colored her perception of Dalish in general. 



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Regarding Solas's wolf form, I always took it that he's probably a shape-shifter like Morrigan, but favoured a wolf.

 

Edit: Would have loved to have seen it in game, but I guess it might have been too obvious. x)


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I agree with everything Maria13 just said.

 

As far as Solas' dwarf comments go, though, Solas does know less about them and their history because of their lack of connection to the fade. He can't remember and gain the little subtleties he usually can through fade exploration except through the places themselves and the other races that happened to witness them. We don't know what Solas has witnessed himself and knows through his own experiences about dwarves, but I can see him grilling every dwarf he meets in the physical world to fill in any gaps of knowledge he might have because I imagine he doesn't like not knowing everything. 

 

That's just my take on her reaction. Right around the point she decides to take action she knows will lead to the clan's destruction, there's a sense of finality to her thoughts. And afterwards, she still shows signs of intense resentment toward the Dalish. I believe that this is indicative of her intent to focus on helping primarily City Elves going forward. The clan she met might not be the ultimate standard Dalish clan, but her perception of it has colored her perception of Dalish in general. 

 

Well she absolutely had issues with that specific clan, and I agree that it changed her opinion of the Dalish as a whole. On my part, I don't think it went as far as the rest of it, though.

 

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Regarding Solas's wolf form, I always took it that he's probably a shape-shifter like Morrigan, but favoured a wolf.

Edit: Would have loved to have seen it in game, but I guess it might have been too obvious. x)

That was my take as well. And now that we know who he is, I'd love to see no kidding, Tower tarot, Dread Wolf shapeshifted Solas in future DLC.
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The Tower and what's implied and depicted just makes me sad. It's why I never bought that shirt from the store even when it was the only Solas-related thing available.


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Regarding Solas's wolf form, I always took it that he's probably a shape-shifter like Morrigan, but favoured a wolf.
 
Edit: Would have loved to have seen it in game, but I guess it might have been too obvious. x)


I always imagined that the limitations to his power (the same reason he couldn't unlock the orb), may have hindered any ability to shapeshift. If that is in fact, what he is capable of doing.

Just my own little headcanon, regarding the "dread-wolf" form. ;)
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Okay, so here's Chapter 6: http://archiveofouro...hapters/8497357


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Sneak preview of me being THAT person: 

 

'People often joked (never publicly, of course) that the Lavellans had so many daughters that they were less a family, more a clan. Their prospects were not good; the family had fallen into a form of genteel poverty some years before, all of them residing in an old farm house that had seen better years. The other Dalish families did not care for them; they had too much contact with humans, and knew too much of the outside world. It came as no surprise when the Lavellans opted to send their second eldest daughter, Maiwe, off to the Conclave, ostensibly to see if she might benefit the family’s fortunes. The reality was, they would accept any husband for her, and hoped she might find someone there. '


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