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Another good opinion on Tevinter slavery to consider in this whole discussion is Krem's. The story of his father and how he sold himself into slavery to otherwise provide, due to the cheap labor slaves provided and the inability of actual lower class business owners to compete.

Oppression by humans is a huge issue in this game and I love that they brought it to light 'cause most people defend Dorian's view on slavery. However, I firmly believe Solas thinks (and most people would think) people shouldn't be backed into a corner and sell themselves. Slavery shouldn't even be an option and, if you're in a position to be a better and more powerful ally, you should take action. I believe he's trying to make Dorian see the bigger picture (and by extension, the player).


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I feel like the slavery conversation issue is just as confusing as the rest of the view on Tevinter. Hearing some banter between Dorian and others in your party reveal that some things are very exaggerated about the Imperium. Slavery is such a normal thing there Dorian had never had to think twice about it. People sell themselves into it because they have no other way to provide. It is so interwoven into the Imperium that, like Fenris pointed out, Tevinter would crumble without it. Unfortunately, there is no simple solution to just "end slavery" because of this. 



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Did I hear you say 'writing'?

 

Because I just got 'Tamlen/Sketch: Guility Pleasures'.  That should help with light writing. Or dark writing.  Or any writing.

 

I should stop enabling you.

 

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I almost started using the prompt generator again, but stopped myself. What actually happened was I started reading a thing someone linked and started off on something that went in weird directions and turned into like, half essay, half journal entry. Been reading sometimes heavy stuff lately and it has been a weird week, culminating in some sort of probable eye infection. :P  At least no one can catch through the internet.

 

I need silly prompts at this point and will be working on something light.



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You know....after your next post:

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If we keep replying to her then she'll have to make that 9001 post sooner or later.


Oh my sweet falons  :wub: 
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Yeah. I kinda want Dorian to join Fenris on a "slave trader hunt" and whittle down their numbers. Plus, Dorian is now in an even better position of power and he will have an enormous voice among the nobles in Tevinter now with the Inquisition backing him. That'd be pretty cool actually. Start a Slaver Hunting Army XD


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That's a good use for all of those troops standing idle after you send Corypheus's liver and spleen to the Fade--slaver hunting.  This works for me!



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That's a good use for all of those troops standing idle after you send Corypheus's liver and spleen to the Fade--slaver hunting.  This works for me!

 

We'll take the tried-and-true Daenerys Targaryen approach.  If you just murder all the f***ing slavers, no more slaving!  Nothing could possibly go wrong with this plan  :lol:


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Talking to Dorian about slavery is pretty interesting, however.  He says he hates it but then he points out how slaves have better homes and food and lives in general than Alienage elves.  Sadly, he has a point, though there are much worse downsides to being a slave than poverty and Chevaliers, namely having your children sold to strangers and your life at the whim not of essentially random violence but your master who might choose to slit your throat for a party trick.

 

In truth, a Lavellan that hasn't really been exposed either to city elves or slaves probably never really thought about what their lives were like or what would happen if what little good (be it community or simple sustenance) were taken away.

 

Yeah, I rather agree. It's kind of sticky because while Dorian makes a point about how inescapable prejudice and poverty is a different kind of slavery, in its own way... he's never been a slave or part of a systematically oppressed and impoverished minority, is not part of the elven community, hasn't experienced life in their shoes (or lack thereof), and still on some level defends the practices that the elves deplore. 

 

While Lavellan hasn't experienced it either, I still feel it's a little different since they're part of a people that internalizes ancestral slavery as part of their racial/cultural identity, might feel kinship with other elves in the world whom they know are still slaves, and are aware that they could still become slaves themselves if humans ever caught them. Dorian's family never has been and he never will become a slave because he is a human noble mage altus whose father is a magister. He sits on a comfortable perch of privilege, so telling an Inquisitor (especially a Dalish one) that slavery is not that big a deal and they still have it good in some respects feels... ugh, it feels icky, and a bit disingenuous, especially if you're an elf and you're like, "Back up, slave-owner. You've never experienced what my people have, so don't be so quick to tell me how my people do and don't have it."

 

Maybe that's just me. (Sorry to write a long text, I'm just trying to articulate my feelings effectively.)

 

I feel like you pretty much said what the blogger was saying 'cause you're both saying "saying sorry ain't jack but you can still take action." There's only so much one Tevinter noble can do if he doesn't have more people to back him up but he can still do something. Not only that but his family still owns slaves and he defended slavery in Tevinter on multiple occasions.

 

Is that what the person was trying to say? I couldn't tell. 

 

It seemed to me that the person was implying that Solas was coming down too hard on Dorian and asking the impossible; that Dorian really does feel sorry and really can't turn back the clock to undo all of what Tevinter has done, so he can't live up to Solas' expectations so Solas saying "Then how sorry are you?" is unfair.

 

Which I don't think is entirely accurate. I don't think Solas expects Dorian to completely restore everything Tevinter took from their slaves and victims (that's not possible), but rather, to put his money where his mouth is. "I know you're sorry for what Tevinter did to the elves in the past, but it's not just in the past. Many elves (and non-elves!) are still slaves now and still need freedom now, so what are you doing to help them now?" "Nothing." "Then how sorry are you?"


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Yeah. I kinda want Dorian to join Fenris on a "slave trader hunt" and whittle down their numbers. Plus, Dorian is now in an even better position of power and he will have an enormous voice among the nobles in Tevinter now with the Inquisition backing him. That'd be pretty cool actually. Start a Slaver Hunting Army XD

 

Ugh I headcannon this SO HARD you don't even know...

 

Two of the best baes, on opposite fronts, working to bring down the imperium... UNFFFFFF 


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Art time again :)

 

"Ir abelas, ma vhenan."

 

Cute Fen'Harel plushie done for osatokun by her friend.

 

Not Solas, but it's so cute! Cole and Iron Bull by osatokun.

 

Finished version of the Solas and f!Trevelyan pic.

 

The hipquisition?

 

These are adorable.


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Is that what the person was trying to say? I couldn't tell. 

 

It seemed to me that the person was implying that Solas was coming down too hard on Dorian and asking the impossible; that Dorian really does feel sorry and really can't turn back the clock to undo all of what Tevinter has done, so he can't live up to Solas' expectations so Solas saying "Then how sorry are you?" is unfair.

 

Which I don't think is entirely accurate. I don't think Solas expects Dorian to completely restore everything Tevinter took from their slaves and victims (that's not possible), but rather, to put his money where his mouth is. "I know you're sorry for what Tevinter did to the elves in the past, but it's not just in the past. Many elves (and non-elves!) are still slaves now and still need freedom now, so what are you doing to help them now?" "Nothing." "Then how sorry are you?"

Yeah, that's what she was saying. He doesn't expect an apology and he doesn't want one. He knows Dorian is just one man; he can't topple an entire government and its history by himself. But he wants Dorian to do more than he is (or isn't) because all he sees is him defending slavery in Tevinter and not using that power to help the underprivileged. Saying 'sorry' doesn't erase the facts—Tevinter was built on oppression and still is being built with oppression as its foundation. She was saying Solas was being as forthright as he needed to be with Dorian to get him to see something bigger than himself and the nobility there. To sum up, you both were saying the same thing XD Just emphasized different parts.


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That's a good use for all of those troops standing idle after you send Corypheus's liver and spleen to the Fade--slaver hunting.  This works for me!

You wound me.


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I got bored and decided to waste some of my valuable minutes on this earth. 

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Those charms. I love that there's an uh, post-credits Solas.



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YAAAAAAAAAY!!! Art time is best time!! I'm so sad. I have to wait 2 1/2 more hours until I can reblog anything again. I hit my post limit everyday now LOL



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I got bored and decided to waste some of my valuable minutes on this earth. 

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As ever...beautiful. TEARS.  



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i love his face in the 3rd panel. It's SOOOO CUTE.

Yeah only solas can look adorable in a cartoon sketch -.-


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I got bored and decided to waste some of my valuable minutes on this earth. 

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IS THAT MIDDLE ONE BUNQUIZ?!?!??!!?

Also I approve of the anti Cullen.

You deserve a spot in an art gallery. When the aliens come to excavate what is left of humanity your art will remain to tell the tale. <3333
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I got bored and decided to waste some of my valuable minutes on this earth. 

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hehehe...stick figure Josephine is so adorable, Moon. :lol:



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There is a distinct lack of Oghren.


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There is a distinct lack of Oghren.

Maybe you just haven't found him yet... :P
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So I went ahead and changed my display name.



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Uh oh.

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Yeah, I rather agree. It's kind of sticky because while Dorian makes a point about how inescapable prejudice and poverty is a different kind of slavery, in its own way... he's never been a slave or part of a systematically oppressed and impoverished minority, is not part of the elven community, hasn't experienced life in their shoes (or lack thereof), and still on some level defends the practices that the elves deplore. 

 

While Lavellan hasn't experienced it either, I still feel it's a little different since they're part of a people that internalizes ancestral slavery as part of their racial/cultural identity, might feel kinship with other elves in the world whom they know are still slaves, and are aware that they could still become slaves themselves if humans ever caught them. Dorian's family never has been and he never will become a slave because he is a human noble mage altus whose father is a magister. He sits on a comfortable perch of privilege, so telling an Inquisitor (especially a Dalish one) that slavery is not that big a deal and they still have it good in some respects feels... ugh, it feels icky, and a bit disingenuous, especially if you're an elf and you're like, "Back up, slave-owner. You've never experienced what my people have, so don't be so quick to tell me how my people do and don't have it."

 

Maybe that's just me. (Sorry to write a long text, I'm just trying to articulate my feelings effectively.)

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I certainly don't disagree that Lavellan's closer to the problem than Dorian.  The Dalish are hardly living in Hightown with servants and fainting couches, after all.  I just thought the conversation itself was well done because it points up not only the privilege that Dorian enjoys (even having left his father's house where is he?  In a keep, eating well, getting stylish new clothes every few weeks, and generally living it up) but that Lavellan doesn't really have a good argument against his points because she has no real idea how life in an Alienage is.

 

For all she knows, the tales of poverty and disease are just propaganda and Alienages are filled with happy families and successful businesses that Tevinter lies about to make them feel better about slavery.  Well, unless she talks to Michel or Briala (off-camera).


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