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[nikki-tikki]

Hey now... did someone say angst???? I love pain... *grabby hands*

 

 

Me too.

 

[Junebug]

I have returned to this awesome thread from an infuriating spat with an extremely ignorant player and his lackeys in another DA:I subforum [disgusted noise]. Some people there, I swear. I am constantly being reminded why I stick to this thread and lurk around in character/character creation threads.

 

Any fluff recommendations?

I would also like more fluff ;~; The canon angst was already too much for me and a lot of the stuff fandom come up with is already really sad I can only take it in small doses. Or large doses between a long span of time. If you have any fluff recommendations, I'd love some too

 

Looks like it's video day today. I finished a new video and includes only NAUGHTY SOLAS, no sadness, just pleasure if you're interested. 

Looks like I am no the only one with the dirty mind...

 

oh oh-kay all right.

 

I played my sex playlist over it and melted even more (it's short and has a mix of edm, jazz, and rock).

[Siha]

I can't find the original source (somewhere tumblr), but it's pretty and I've never seen them put together quite like this before, so:

 

[Armdin]

I can't find the original source (somewhere tumblr), but it's pretty and I've never seen them put together quite like this before, so:

 

 

I refuse to believe their tarot's posed like this is coincidence.

[Junebug]

I refuse to believe their tarot's posed like this is coincidence.

Saaaaaaaaame. The minute I saw it, I was internally screaming. This gives me a lot of hope for the next one

[Junebug]

I refuse to believe their tarot's posed like this is coincidence.

I can't find the original source (somewhere tumblr), but it's pretty and I've never seen them put together quite like this before, so:

 

Sorry for double posting but I found a link to the original + some nice but sad commentary/analysis:

http://arborwllds.tu...cean-the-more-i

 

Edit: just saw this free-cam of the vallaslin removal and her comments on it ;~; my heart...

http://arlath-mavhen...f-the-crestwood

Modifié par Junebug, 03 mai 2015 - 08:57 .

[Armdin]

Hi guys, I was reading this on Tumblr just now and it got me wondering. I'll quote the particular segment that grabbed me:

 

"... So, while it would be awfully nice if Thedas were the sort of place where a past Dalish companion could take the place of Morrigan in Inquisition, or where a Dalish Inquisitor can “show Morrigan what’s what” at the Temple of Mythal (not counting the “Who is this Mythal?” dialogue glitch, which they have acknowledged as, in fact, a glitch), it isn’t. You know why? Because the Dalish have no way of knowing what Morrigan knows. All they know of their own history is what’s been passed down through the ages, which, as we learn from Solas and Abelas–people who were actually there at the time–is woefully inaccurate.

 

Morrigan, on the other hand, was raised by Mythal. She learned this stuff from the source, and even she still doesn’t know everything, just more than the Dalish possibly could."

 

Firstly, do we know that Flemeth and Mythal were joined before/during Morrigan's childhood? Do we have anything solid on that?

 

If so, it would make me feel better regarding Morrigan playing know-it-all to the point of peeving Solas off at the Temple, but personally I disagree. While I don't have any evidence aside from the aesthetic change, I think Mythal finding Flemeth happens in between DA:O ending and DA2 beginning, perhaps even as early as after receiving the grimoire from her. That being said, it could make sense that Flemeth and Mythal have been together for a really long time.

 

What do you guys think?

 

Disclaimer: This is not a desperate attempt to get some discussion going to bump us to 4k pages.

[NightSymphony]

I am absolutely horrible at remembering names, but from what I understand..

 

Young and beautiful Flemeth gets sold to that chief guy by her bard husband. The chief guy then kills her husband and Flemeth is pissed off so she's crying and praying and summoning things to help her get even. Mythal's soul finds Flemeth then and enters her body. So Mythal has been inside Flemeth for many centuries.

 

I could be totally wrong here and remembering the story differently..I dunno.

[Junebug]

Hi guys, I was reading this on Tumblr just now and it got me wondering. I'll quote the particular segment that grabbed me:

I believe the Grimoire suggested Flemeth got her abilities shortly after she was betrayed and I remember Flemeth confirming it when the Inquisitor summed it up really fast. She said they were both met with the same betrayal and wanted to avenge themselves or something along those lines.

 

I also wanna nitpick at something that blogger said a bit. They suggested that Solas was the only one with a world-changing plan in the works but Flemeth stated that Mythal’s “day of reckoning will come.” I remember her putting an essence of Mythal into the eluvian just before she met her end. I believe she knew what Solas was gonna try to do and that there are two elvhen “god” plans in the works—and I use “god” loosely because, as we’ve seen, they are capable of dying and are not infallible to their own mistakes. The amount of humanism in this game is amazing.

[Moirin]

I refuse to believe their tarot's posed like this is coincidence.

 

The hand gesture Solas is making is actually a common symbolic thing found in most Hierophant tarot cards. It's called a sign of benediction.

[Junebug]

The hand gesture Solas is making is actually a common symbolic thing found in most Hierophant tarot cards. It's called a sign of benediction.

Oooh, interesting! These are themes seen in almost every single one of his cards (except the Romanced one; I don't think it looks mukch like it) and it completely makes sense + when/if he was Shartan.

[Junebug]

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Oh gawd, you're right. It has that whole "white man's burden" and "white saviour" trope now that I look at it. Very Pocahontas/Avatar-like...which was wrought full of offensive material. Damn, that was really insidious too. I'm even more glad I had my Lavellan drink from the well and call Morrigan out on her human crap. "This is my heritage, my culture!" More power to her...but I'm also upset that a Human controlled her...ugh...so many problems.

 

(omg I'm sorry for doubleposting again x_x)

[NightSymphony]

hmm..I think I'm going to replay my canon Lavellan and have her drink from the well (and actually pay attention to war table missions and not get her clan killed).

[Illyria]

Before I answer, I think the conclusion the article you quoted is full of it.

 

 

Yeah, and the elven god chose a human host (Flemeth) rather than an elven, chose a human daughter to pass her spark of Godhood onto rather than an elven daughter (and God only knows how many more before her, if the body Flemeth inhabits in DAO - DAI was indeed another daughter she passed her "spark of godhood" onto like Morrigan claims), said human daughter knows more about elven history than any modern elves do (not counting ancient elves who were there like Solas and Abelas), is shown to activate ancient elven technology without a hitch whereas an elven character that tried to do the same thing in DA2 (Merrill) was treated as messing with powers too great for her to understand, and--oh yeah, the "player character's steps" she "has been guiding since day one" were all written with HUMAN protagonists in mind!

 

The whole thing reeks of the Mighty Whitey Trope - coded European Christian characters quickly learning more about and mastering coded indigenous/minority culture, technology, etc better than they can. An elven goddess prefers a human host and daughters, said human daughter quickly masters elven lore and technology better than any elven characters do, and the protagonists they help along (who each also learn more about elven technology than most elven characters do) were all written with humans in mind.

 

Elves may turn out to be "the most important race in the series," but if it's treated like human characters are active players who move the game forward while the elves are merely the ball to be kicked back and forth, with little to no agency over their own history, culture, legacy, and future, then it is depowering and indeed problematic.

 

In fact, I should make a separate post about this in the Feedback section.

 

I'm not disagreeing with you BUT DAO was written with an elven Warden in mind.  A Dalish Warden in fact.  So not all the games with written with a human in mind (I wish DAI was the one with the default elven protagonist, but the fact that the game was originally written with just a human it makes sense that the default Herald would be human.)
 

[Moirin]

Oooh, interesting! These are themes seen in almost every single one of his cards (except the Romanced one; I don't think it looks much like it) and it completely makes sense + when/if he was Shartan.

 

No, I think you misunderstood me. Solas' romanced card is the Hierophant tarot. That hand gesture is common symbolism for that card only. I also don't believe he's making a hand gesture in his Tower card or his Hermit card.

 

Also, I'm not really convinced on that Solas = Shartan thing. The Dragon age fandom is pretty much turning into a "Everyone in Dragon Age is really secretly Everyone Else in Dragon Age too" at this point.

[Armdin]

hmm..I think I'm going to replay my canon Lavellan and have her drink from the well (and actually pay attention to war table missions and not get her clan killed).

 

I'm actually still trying to decide whether to intentionally kill off her clan or not (from a metagaming standpoint, not my Lavellan wanting them dead xD). On the one hand, juicy drama and headcanon. On the other, where the frilly frig is my girl going to go after the Inquisition is done?

 

JoH Spoilers (Are we still doing this?)

Spoiler

Although I imagine any Inquisitor being like Ameridan and still doing stuff even after the Inquisition breaks up.

[Armdin]

No, I think you misunderstood me. Solas' romanced card is the Hierophant tarot. That hand gesture is common symbolism for that card only. I also don't believe he's making a hand gesture in his Tower card or his Hermit card.

 

Also, I'm not really convinced on that Solas = Shartan thing. The Dragon age fandom is pretty much turning into a "Everyone in Dragon Age is really secretly Everyone Else in Dragon Age too" at this point.

 

Does this mean the tarot card's positions are coincidence? (Because I ain' givin' it up that easy! I'll cry "la-la-la-la-la" if I have to!)

 

EDIT: In regards to an earlier comment, I don't think the Mighty Whitey trope is what BioWare was intentionally going for, if that's what you're saying? Correct me if I'm wrong.

[Junebug]

No, I think you misunderstood me. Solas' romanced card is the Hierophant tarot. That hand gesture is common symbolism for that card only. I also don't believe he's making a hand gesture in his Tower card or his Hermit card.

 

Also, I'm not really convinced on that Solas = Shartan thing. The Dragon age fandom is pretty much turning into a "Everyone in Dragon Age is really secretly Everyone Else in Dragon Age too" at this point.

Ahh. I don't really see it 'cause he's not making the same hand gesture in any of the cards. I wonder if it was deliberate or an oversight.

 

I don't know. Fan theories are mostly meant to be fun and I like to play around with them while we wait for the next installment haha.

 

TOP post:

Remember that chess game Solas played with Iron Bull in the party banter? Someone figured out all the plays a week ago. You can read about it and watch it being played out here (complete with the banter, game history, and everything). It was an actual game in history played in the first international tournaments.

[Moirin]

Does this mean the tarot card's positions are coincidence? (Because I ain' givin' it up that easy! I'll cry "la-la-la-la-la" if I have to!)

 

Erm, well it's explains the hand gesture itself, not the direction it's pointed or the position his hand is in while making the gesture or why the female elf's hand is the way it is. I wasn't trying to disprove you headcanon, just explaining the gesture itself.

[Illyria]

Was it? I'd like to see evidence.

 

If you're saying that because the "default" worldstate for DAI is a Dalish Warden who sacrificed her to the Archdemon, the problem is, Bioware has said that their default worldstate =/= canon worldstate. The devs merely picked a DAI worldstate where the Warden was the most far removed from the central plot and dead because it would be easier writing the game without past heroes still running around. DA2's "default" worldstate had been a Male Human Noble, and of course the DAO story itself had HUMAN as the default character, with the other races being secondary options. (And they honestly wonder why people most often pick human. It's been scientifically proven that BioWare players tend to overwhelmingly pick the "default" option once they learn what the default is. Didn't 97% of Mass Effect players just pick the default background for Shepard?)

 

Default may not equal canon, but I'd assume that the writers have to have a place to start when they're writing.  If this is the case then the story they wrote for DAO was with a female Dalish in mind in the same way DA2 was written for Garrett Hawke.

 

Well, that's how I'd do it anyway.

 

But the story of DAO actually makes the most sense with a Dalish warden since it starts and ends in the same place - watching someone touching an eluvian and vanishing.

 

Honestly, I just think Bioware avoid the word 'canon' because people get so prissy when they find out that, shock and horror, Bioware had to have a story in mind when they wrote the game.  How dare the devs have an opinion on the story.  Everything should be decided by the fans!111!1!1  Don't Bioware KNOW that decapitation finishing moves are 100% canon?!!!!11111!1?!1

 

I may have some slight issues with the entitled attitude I keep coming accros in this fandom.

[Armdin]

Erm, well it's explains the hand gesture itself, not the direction it's pointed or the position his hand is in while making the gesture or why the female elf's hand is the way it is. I wasn't trying to disprove you headcanon, just explaining the gesture itself.

 

I didn't think you were. I was just being playful.

[Armdin]

Honestly, I just think Bioware avoid the word 'canon' because people get so prissy when they find out that, shock and horror, Bioware had to have a story in mind when they wrote the game.  How dare the devs have an opinion on the story.  Everything should be decided by the fans!111!1!1  Don't Bioware KNOW that decapitation finishing moves are 100% canon?!!!!11111!1?!1

 

I may have some slight issues with the entitled attitude I keep coming accros in this fandom.

 

I think most of the time BioWare handle it quite well, but then we get moments like ME3's ending and a lot of people (at least that I spoke to) said largely the same thing; "That wasn't my Shepard." I swear to the Maker I will let ME3 go someday... Someday. I still love you BioWare!

 

It's a balancing act. If the point of the game is to enable you to create your own character, to create yourself in the world, things that go against or contradict that can be quite jarring.

 

I'm not disagreeing by the way. ^^

 

Edit: I've been commenting for an hour and I've double-posted a few times. Sorry! x) Also I can't grammer, clearly. >_<

[Cee]

 

 

oh oh-kay all right.

 

 

I played my sex playlist over it and melted even more (it's short and has a mix of edm, jazz, and rock).

 

Have you ever listened to FKA twigs' LP1? Most of that album says 'sex music' to me. It's been a slight writing inspiration getting those songs stuck in my head.
 

 

 

Edit: just saw this free-cam of the vallaslin removal and her comments on it ;~; my heart...

http://arlath-mavhen...f-the-crestwood

 

I've always found the vallaslin removal super intimate. But the whole scene in general...he's always touching her in some way. And when he decides to end it and, if you choose a sad option, he has to wave her away to basically not come touch him and pull him back in...he can't even touch her....it's pretty powerful.