All our Lavellans whenever Solas appears again. (Note the one stoic one in the back).
And certain people will be all like:
Or something. 
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#99902
Posté 03 mai 2015 - 11:15
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Before I answer, I think the conclusion the article you quoted is full of it.
Yeah, and the elven god chose a human host (Flemeth) rather than an elven, chose a human daughter to pass her spark of Godhood onto rather than an elven daughter (and God only knows how many more before her, if the body Flemeth inhabits in DAO - DAI was indeed another daughter she passed her "spark of godhood" onto like Morrigan claims), said human daughter knows more about elven history than any modern elves do (not counting ancient elves who were there like Solas and Abelas), is shown to activate ancient elven technology without a hitch whereas an elven character that tried to do the same thing in DA2 (Merrill) was treated as messing with powers too great for her to understand, and--oh yeah, the "player character's steps" she "has been guiding since day one" were all written with HUMAN protagonists in mind!
The whole thing reeks of the Mighty Whitey Trope - coded European Christian characters quickly learning more about and mastering coded indigenous/minority culture, technology, etc better than they can. An elven goddess prefers a human host and daughters, said human daughter quickly masters elven lore and technology better than any elven characters do, and the protagonists they help along (who each also learn more about elven technology than most elven characters do) were all written with humans in mind.
Elves may turn out to be "the most important race in the series," but if it's treated like human characters are active players who move the game forward while the elves are merely the ball to be kicked back and forth, with little to no agency over their own history, culture, legacy, and future, then it is depowering and indeed problematic.
In fact, I should make a separate post about this in the Feedback section.
I don't think its a big deal, at least Elven characters are actually relevant to the story, maybe more so than Trevelyans, whilst the Qunari and Dwarves stand outside in the rain. I think Flemeth and her daughters are all human because they descend from Andraste, Mythal chose Flemeth over an Elven lady for a specific reason, "she was betrayed as I was betrayed."
Merrill was fiddling about with an artifact that got two of her own clan-mates killed or Grey Wardenised, I can see why they would tell her to wind her neck in. She is also a bit of a tool in general, not someone I want rebuilding a potentially deadly device.
Most of the more prominent characters are human because humans dominate Thedas. Elves and Dwarves are nearly extinct and the Qunari are up in the north shaking their fists at Tevinter.
If I've misunderstood the point of your post, I apologise, I tend to do that a lot.
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#99903
Posté 03 mai 2015 - 11:22
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'Kieran and Corypheus: Modern day AU'
In which Cory Pheus, a CEO of a major Tevinter company, is the godfather of the shy Kieran Wildes and tasked with looking after him for one day. Hilarity ensues.
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#99905
Posté 03 mai 2015 - 11:24
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I think Flemeth and her daughters are all human because they descend from Andraste, Mythal chose Flemeth over an Elven lady for a specific reason, "she was betrayed as I was betrayed."
If I've misunderstood the point of your post, I apologise, I tend to do that a lot.
I also apologise if I misunderstood the point of her post, haha. But I agree with you! The Andraste thing is a theory I like to theorize with as well. Also I think elven/human offspring look human. So there's also a possible connection there with some ancient elves of significance.
Don't even get me started on the little connections between lyrium, callings, chants, and songs and whatever it was Flemeth/Mythal mentioned akin to "while the music plays, we dance".
#99906
Posté 03 mai 2015 - 11:28
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wait, there's more
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Cee, what have you done? I was almost free of the generator!
#99908
Posté 03 mai 2015 - 11:34
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"Hawke and Corypheus: secret crushes"
Someone needs to use that.
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Cory has been cropping up in a lot of my prompts lately.
An on topic prompt: f!Cadash and Solas: walking on embers
Off topic prompt: Fenris and Calpernia: polishing blade. A Calris fic in which they take on Tevinter slavers.
(yes, they have a pairing name. Which I just came up with).
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Posté 03 mai 2015 - 11:41
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Sorry, just got back from putting my money where my mouth is an addressed the problematic use of the Mighty Whitey Trope regarding BioWare's issue with elves in the Feedback section. I'm sure it'll draw more ire than agreement, but at least it's out there.
Default may not equal canon, but I'd assume that the writers have to have a place to start when they're writing. If this is the case then the story they wrote for DAO was with a female Dalish in mind in the same way DA2 was written for Garrett Hawke.
Well, that's how I'd do it anyway.
But the story of DAO actually makes the most sense with a Dalish warden since it starts and ends in the same place - watching someone touching an eluvian and vanishing.
But did the devs say they wrote DAO with a Dalish protagonist in mind as they were first writing it?
I'm glad you think the story makes more sense with a Dalish protagonist, but one can make that argument about any origin they like. Most of Cousland's fans swear up and down they feel s/he is most tied to the main story since they have significance at the Landsmeet and Howe, I'll die claiming that everything that makes Cousland's story central to the plot is present for the City Elf and then some (since they have Unrest in the Alienage on top of a grudge against Howe and Loghain for slave-trading), and my beau is convinced the Dwarf Noble is most important because it gives you special significance in Orzammar (the biggest main quest area and tied to the Grey Wardens since it's in the Deep Roads).
Personally, as much as I don't like it, given how much focus is placed on the Human Noble in DAO and DA2's canon worldstate, I'll bet that was the central protagonist they had in mind when they wrote the first game, just as how Trevelyan was the Inquisitor they had in mind for DAI.
Not to mention that the original default World State (for Dragon Age 2) was a male Cousland if I'm not mistaken.
Yup.
Claiming that the female Dalish is the one they had in mind when they wrote DAO just because she's the default worldstate now doesn't really work since the male human noble was the default Warden for both DAO and DA2's worldstate.
I don't see how the Cousland worldstate being the default changes the Dalish being canon. That's the worldstate they opted to use in the Keep for all future games to use if the import function is ignored.
But that doesn't mean the Cousland worldstate wasn't the worldstate they had in mind when they first wrote the game, nor DA2, nor even some post-DA2 content. They didn't create the Keep until well into DAI's development, and by then they felt it would be easier if the Warden was dead so they didn't have to worry about another old hero running around. I know one of the devs said--and I can't find the quote at present--specifically that they chose the female Dalish who died because it kept as many "old heroes" out of the way.
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#99910
Posté 03 mai 2015 - 11:45
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But that doesn't mean the Cousland worldstate wasn't the worldstate they had in mind when they first wrote the game, nor DA2, nor even some post-DA2 content. They didn't create the Keep until well into DAI's development, and by then they felt it would be easier if the Warden was dead so they didn't have to worry about another old hero running around. I know one of the devs said--and I can't find the quote at present--specifically that they chose the female Dalish who died because it kept as many "old heroes" out of the way.
The Dalish worldstate was confirmed as the default long before the Keep came out. It was on twitter (or Gaider's blog, I can't remember now) and in response to someone asking what the canon is.
#99911
Posté 03 mai 2015 - 11:49
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Cory has been cropping up in a lot of my prompts lately.
An on topic prompt: f!Cadash and Solas: walking on embers
Off topic prompt: Fenris and Calpernia: polishing blade. A Calris fic in which they take on Tevinter slavers.
(yes, they have a pairing name. Which I just came up with).
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#99912
Posté 03 mai 2015 - 11:53
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Just for you, Illyria:
Morrigan & Isolde Guerrin - friends with benefits.
Divine Justinia V & Isolde Guerrin - hold that thought
Illyria Greatly Approves.
Marian Hawke and Corypheus: office problems.
Solas and Fenris: High School AU.
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#99913
Posté 03 mai 2015 - 11:54
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I should be doing other things. And yet.
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OMG, I am now shipping Josephine and Sebastian so. freaking. hard.
#99914
Posté 03 mai 2015 - 11:55
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OMG, I am now shipping Josephine and Sebastian so. freaking. hard.
It would work so well.
#99915
Posté 03 mai 2015 - 11:55
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To be clear, Gaider said it's the default, not canon. He said there's not a canon several times.The Dalish worldstate was confirmed as the default long before the Keep came out. It was on twitter (or Gaider's blog, I can't remember now) and in response to someone asking what the canon is.
As for the protagonist in mind, I can't say for sure about DAO (I think in the end they just wanted the Origins to have deeper perspectives in their related quest, and I think they made a splendid work with some), the Inquisitor was created with. A human perspective for the simple reason he was supposed to be only human.
I do think that Playing as a Lavellan adds a lot though. If only I can play a male elf...
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#99916
Posté 03 mai 2015 - 11:57
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To be clear, Gaider said it's the default, not canon. He said there's not a canon several times.
As for the protagonist in mind, I can't say for sure about DAO (I think in the end they just wanted the Origins to have deeper perspectives in their related quest, and I think they made a splendid work with some), the Inquisitor was created with. A human perspective for the simple reason he was supposed to be only human.
I do think that Playing as a Lavellan adds a lot though. If only I can play a male elf...
I think that 'default' is just a word used to avoid using the word 'canon'.
#99917
Posté 03 mai 2015 - 11:58
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Solas and Fenris: High School AU.
Someone, please write this.
#99918
Posté 03 mai 2015 - 11:59
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Someone, please write this.
Working on it.
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#99919
Posté 04 mai 2015 - 12:00
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hmm..I never thought the Dalish story had a big part in DA:O. I felt the city elf story was more important. The poor Dwarves felt totally out of the story for me. I thought the Cousland story was the biggest and most tied into everything else.*shrugs*
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Posté 04 mai 2015 - 12:03
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OMG, I am now shipping Josephine and Sebastian so. freaking. hard.
It would be adorable, wouldn't it? Of those prompts, I actually considered trying to write that one. Especially the letter format. Seems like fun.
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#99921
Posté 04 mai 2015 - 12:05
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I personally don't think so. They needed a world state to Import for Those who didn't want/can't use the keep, and They created one with the least aumont of effects in the following games (or so they said).I think that 'default' is just a word used to avoid using the word 'canon'.
To be clear, I wouldn't have a problem with if Being canon. I absolutely don't care about the perspective when creating the MC being human, elf or darkspawn. I just don't think it's wise To be sure of the perspective Being Elven (or human, for the matter), without certain proof. If opens room for disappointment in the futurE.
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Posté 04 mai 2015 - 12:05
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hmm..I never thought the Dalish story had a big part in DA:O. I felt the city elf story was more important. The poor Dwarves felt totally out of the story for me. I thought the Cousland story was the biggest and most tied into everything else.*shrugs*
I like how the story is bookended by the eluvians. It's why I love my Morrigan/Mahariel worldstate despite having never played it (thank you, Dragon Age Keep). The Dalish origin also gets to ask Morrigan about her shapeshifting in a way that no other origin does (it actually foreshadows the Mythal reveal!). Even before the reveal of how important Dalish lore is to the game I was amazed with just how much the Dalish origin felt important.
prompt: Abelas and f!Lavellan: out of sight.
(someone stop me)
EDIT: How do I English today?
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#99923
Posté 04 mai 2015 - 12:06
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hmm..I never thought the Dalish story had a big part in DA:O. I felt the city elf story was more important. The poor Dwarves felt totally out of the story for me. I thought the Cousland story was the biggest and most tied into everything else.*shrugs*
Origins did a great job of making each origin relevant, there is always a mission that ties back to the origin story. The only exception is the Dalish origin, but it ties in well with Witch Hunt and DA:2.
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#99924
Posté 04 mai 2015 - 12:07
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Origins did a great job of making each origin relevant, there is always a mission that ties back to the origin story. The only exception is the Dalish origin, but it ties in well with Witch Hunt and DA:2.
Exactly. This is why I feel the Dalish is canon - it's the only one that feels connected to the rest of the games.
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Posté 04 mai 2015 - 12:09
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I agree in the dalish. On the others, human's seems more important just because it's related to Loghain and the Landsmeet. And That's coming from someone who's favourite RP experience in DAO was aCousland.hmm..I never thought the Dalish story had a big part in DA:O. I felt the city elf story was more important. The poor Dwarves felt totally out of the story for me. I thought the Cousland story was the biggest and most tied into everything else.*shrugs*
Playing as either Dwarf adds a lot to Orzammar, in my opinion, and makes a great section of DAO evEn better.
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