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[Kestrel]

Let Morrigan deal with her weird mommy issues. The idea of being saddled to a god in such an intimate way is kind of horrifying, though I wonder if it means that the Inquisitor is subsequently tied to Solas? 

[Nehn]

Let Morrigan deal with her weird mommy issues. The idea of being saddled to a god in such an intimate way is kind of horrifying, though I wonder if it means that the Inquisitor is subsequently tied to Solas? 

I would hope so

It would depend on if he absorbed Mythal's power as well.

Which could mean Solas is now as strong as 2 pantheons ...

Hmmm I never thought about that...

[Lethaya]

He was weaker than normal, though, to be fair. And she was a fragment of what was. If anything, I think she'd just have brought him up to the one pantheon mark. XD

 

My Lavellan drank from the well. That was probably the main thing she and Solas disagreed on, but she spent her whole life dreaming of what was, no way she was letting an opportunity like that pass her by. Doing so would go against everything she believed in and hoped to achieve. Though, yeah, it might have some bad side effects later.... but still, it makes more sense for her to choose the well than to let Morrigan have it.

 

And if worse comes to worst, I suppose I can always upload the savefile I stuffed away somewhere in which she didn't drink after all... XD

[Lunapur]

I think we are involved either way,love is the most strongest bond they have and i find that more powerful then the well itself

[NightSymphony]

I think we are involved either way,love is the most strongest bond they have and i find that more powerful then the well itself

Awwww!!  *sniffles*

[ChuChu]

And you're both ignoring how I said that it isn't just that Mythal prefers a human host and human daughters or just that the protagonists are consistently written to be human in mind:

 

BioWare based Andrastian humans of European Christians (and the Rivaini on Moorish Spaniards), and elves based on real-world minority people; Jews, Gypsies, Afro-Native Americans, etc. Rather than treating this distinction with sensitivity, they feel no qualms about applying real-world problematic tropes with real-world problematic connotations by having white European Christians human characters consistently upstage indigenous folks elves with their own lore/culture/technology.

 

Human characters in the Dragon Age universe are consistently shown to understand and utilize elven lore, magic, knowledge, and technology better than the elven characters can

 

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Elves may be turning out to be an important race in the lore, but so far they certainly aren't shown to be active players in their own history, lore, culture, magic, technology, fate or future. It's human characters (Flemeth, Morrigan, human intended protagonist, etc) who are consistently shown to understand and utilize it better than they can; somehow showing that human characters master not only their own culture, knowledge, and technology, but the elves' knowledge and technology better than the elves can.

 

 And that's what I have a problem with.

I think everyone is open to their interpretation of events, and that's cool. If you RP the part of a slighted elf reclaiming her culture and sticking it to the humans, frustrated that they are outplaying your people in elfy things, all the power to you! And if not, still, all the power to you

But ... you're ignoring what I said. "The best stories take from experiences and histories we can associate with." -- and all the power to Bioware for invoking that. See how it's stirred you up? You should give them credit, not complaint. As Canadian, Bioware probably has a better understanding of that sort of thing than many other parts of the world.

 

Remember (was it in the Exalted Plains?) when the Orlesians try to master the might of that weapon that sets things afire with its light? Total carnage from their foibles. They don't know how to handle everything, after all. But the Tevinters -did- sack and enslave the elves, remember, even if the elves imploded on themselves before that. So if there were anything left to be sacked, the Tevinters took it. The elves who escaped were cast out and live off of memory and whatever artefacts they managed to retain. So of course humans would have a deeper knowledge over the years. Elves were still outcasts and would likely not be allowed to study these things, they rely on the word of mouth (which of course, became muddied and forgotten over time). The elves regressed, clinging to a memory that changed and shifted over the centuries. Humans advanced. Elves, for all intents and purposes, staled themselves. Or at least, this is how I interpreted it. Correct me if I'm mistaken!

 

But for your Morrigan arguments, remember that she was -raised- by Flemythal. So she has had tutelage by an elven god. Conditioned by her. Of course she'd know more than the Dalish, and she would be open to more than them, too. The Dalish suffer from pride, and would be far from willing to accept conclusions that their Keepers didn't teach them (and which is why Solas is so infuriated with them). Merrill, I felt, likes to go against the grain.

 

Mythal is still what she was. She just possesses the body of a human who is more alike with her and her goals than any other host was at the time. Can't fault her that. Also recall that descendants of humans and elves are still human. For all we know, Morrigan or even Flemeth may be elf blooded. Not that I think it matters.

 

I think DA:I has made it abundantly clear that elves ARE the most important race in the story. They seem to be at the heart of a catalyst and (in my head canon) they shaped the world. They just aren't what they used to be, and that's understandable given their histories. You can't expect a good story to be free of social flaws and tyranny, can you? Actions and consequences, and all that. Most importantly I think we need to think how the humans absorbed what they could from the elves they overtook, and the elves left over lost all that they were. Expecting elves to know more about elves is a little brash, considering DA:I goes on and on about how LITTLE truth the elves really know these days. But I think they will come in to their own again. They're just uh... going through a thing! ;P

[Kestrel]

I think we are involved either way,love is the most strongest bond they have and i find that more powerful then the well itself

 

Well, I'm operating under the assumption that non romanced also drank from the Well. which makes it interesting for those who had characters in an antagonistic relationship with Solas- if Solas absorbed Mythal, and drinking from the Well connected the Inquisitor to Mythal, then you have a situation with many knots. 

[Cee]

Let Morrigan deal with her weird mommy issues. The idea of being saddled to a god in such an intimate way is kind of horrifying, though I wonder if it means that the Inquisitor is subsequently tied to Solas? 

 

If so, it could add another layer of sad if the woman he loves is bound to his will, given his views on freedom and all that.

 

Mine didn't drink because I left it in character (she's kind of questioning some things by then anyway) and when you ask your companions, Solas advised her not to (though he also doesn't seem to want Morrigan to do it either. I wonder if/when he becomes aware of Morrigan's tie to Flemeth). I got spoiled on his identity right before the temple, so I thought she might as well listen to him. She'd trust him. As a player, I just considered he might know what he's talking about.

[NightSymphony]

If so, it could add another layer of sad if the woman he loves is bound to his will, given his views on freedom and all that.

 

Mine didn't drink because I left it in character and when you ask your companions, Solas advised her not to (though he also doesn't seem to want Morrigan to do it either. I wonder if/when he becomes aware of Morrigan'e tie to Flemeth). I got spoiled on his identity right before the temple, so I thought she might as well listen to him. She'd trust him. As a player, I just considered he might know what he's talking about.

Same.  Mine didn't drink because she trusts Solas and Solas didn't want her to. Besides, she didn't know what would happen, it was better for Morrigan to take the risk. That water has been sitting there for how long?

[ChuChu]

Same.  Mine didn't drink because she trusts Solas and Solas didn't want her to. Besides, she didn't know what would happen, it was better for Morrigan to take the risk. That water has been sitting there for how long?

Solas has your best interests at heart. Drinking stagnant water is never healthy :>

[Nehn]

If so, it could add another layer of sad if the woman he loves is bound to his will, given his views on freedom and all that.

 

Mine didn't drink because I left it in character (she's kind of questioning some things by then anyway) and when you ask your companions, Solas advised her not to (though he also doesn't seem to want Morrigan to do it either. I wonder if/when he becomes aware of Morrigan's tie to Flemeth). I got spoiled on his identity right before the temple, so I thought she might as well listen to him. She'd trust him. As a player, I just considered he might know what he's talking about.

I feel like I have the only Inquisitor that seemed to do the opposite of what Solas says to do (though she did ally with the mages)

She more follows her conscious than seeks Solas' approval/guidance  

[Cee]

I feel like I have the only Inquisitor that seemed to do the opposite of what Solas says to do (though she did ally with the mages)

She more follows her conscious than seeks Solas' approval/guidance  

 

Mine does too, but a lot of her decisions just happen to coincide with Solas' beliefs (mine in real life do as well, mostly, which is partly why I was so drawn to him). She kept the Wardens and some other minor things he didn't like as well. But the well decision specifically lets you ask your companions for advice.

 

 

 

(Side note, every time I see you post, I think of my Nehn, who is my Lavellan's first love and ex girlfriend (and reminds me that I want to write the 'visit back to clan without vallaslin' post-game fic that I need to actively plan out before starting.).

[Uirebhiril]

My Lavellan opted to not drink based on Cole's emphatic "you don't want that." I mean, it wasn't the ONLY reason she chose not to, but that kind of sealed it for her.

 

Adaar didn't drink either, because she just wants to be normal and that's hard enough when you have horns and are a mage. I'm going to have Trevelyan drink. I want to tame a dragon at least once.

[DarthEmpress]

Still drawing my Solavellan porns but I stumbled across this glorious butt worshipping piece of art and had to do one of Solas!

 

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[Cee]

My Lavellan opted to not drink based on Cole's emphatic "you don't want that." I mean, it wasn't the ONLY reason she chose not to, but that kind of sealed it for her.

 

Adaar didn't drink either, because she just wants to be normal and that's hard enough when you have horns and are a mage. I'm going to have Trevelyan drink. I want to tame a dragon at least once.

 

I'm having my mage Lavellan drink. I want the achievement as well as just having the complete experience. Plus, depending on what happens, that will leave me two save file options. You can tweak it in Keep, but I would like to play through it once.

[CapricornSun]

Or excutive meddling got them to change it to a more generic default...

 

The fact that Mahariel's dad is in the first book, and the elven lore stuff has been planned for years indicates that Dalish is canon.

He's not mentioned by name but it's implied its him.

 

It never crossed my mind that the young Dalish man who Maric and Loghain met when they were captured by the Dalish was Mahariel's father, for some reason. xD But if that is Mahariel's father, then at least I got to see him in book form. Though that means now I have to accept that Mahariel's father has brown hair and purple eyes like in the book. (I had a different headcanon of how he looked in my head but I could accept this.)

 

hmm..I never thought the Dalish story had a big part in DA:O. I felt the city elf story was more important. The poor Dwarves felt totally out of the story for me. I thought the Cousland story was the biggest and most tied into everything else.*shrugs*

 

What I liked about the Dalish origin (especially after playing Witch Hunt) is like Illyria said, that it's like bookends. If you play as a Dalish, their story in DA:O starts with the eluvian and ends with the eluvian. Especially if you're playing a male Dalish elf who romanced Morrigan and chose to go through the eluvian with her. It's kind of poignant. (I'm not sure if this is the right word to use here but it's the one I could think of at the moment)

 

Hmm i can never drink form the well i did that once and i reloaded my save I cant shake one thought from my head that doesn't let me drink ..what if Flemeth is somehow manipulating Solas in some manner as well to get her whatever "shake the heavens" event is to come in future DA games? I would not want to go against him if that is a small possibility to happen

 

I can't let my Lavellan drink from the Well either, even though she has more right to drink from it, being elven and all. Being bound to the will of an elven god after hearing about the true nature of the elvhen pantheon? No thank you. And she trusts Solas when he advised her not to drink from it. (Note that I, as a player, was having a hard time deciding and so the companions's advices and opinions kind of played a part in my decision-making process.) Also, after seeing the whole meeting with Flemythal.... yeah, I don't think my Lavellan would be happy to be bound to her. Bad news bear. 

 

With that said, I'll be ready to accept whatever consequences that future DLCs give me or not drinking from the Well.

 

EDIT: Also, yay for 4000 pages. *throws confetti*

[Nehn]

(Side note, every time I see you post, I think of my Nehn, who is my Lavellan's first love and ex girlfriend (and reminds me that I want to write the 'visit back to clan without vallaslin' post-game fic that I need to actively plan out before starting.).

Hehe, I guess my playthrough could be an AU version of your world  

[AryBoBary]

Still drawing my Solavellan porns but I stumbled across this glorious butt worshipping piece of art and had to do one of Solas!

 

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IT'S SO BEAUTIFUL. Also, hi.

[DarthEmpress]

IT'S SO BEAUTIFUL. Also, hi.

 

Making the butt cheeks rosy was the best part lololol

[AryBoBary]

Making the butt cheeks rosy was the best part lololol

 

I really appreciate your attention to his butt details.  They are important.  So, so, SO important. 

 

I'm not sure if this fan art has been posted, but, I'll post it for now anyway, because it's beautimus. 

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Source 

[CapricornSun]

Some art for today.

 

Solas.

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http://montevelan.tu...reakin-lose-you

 

 

Solavellan gif.

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http://tonitart.tumb...with-solas-yiii

 

 

Another Solavellan artwork.

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http://sidsartshizzl...as-and-iyndreth

 

 

"But what if the Dread Wolf returns some day?"

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http://just-another-...eturns-some-day

 

 

If Solas smoked elfroot.

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http://neenka.tumblr...end-if-he-would

 

 

And not artwork, but Solas from the Sims.

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http://sidsartshizzl...e-sims-obsessed

 

[Cee]

Was this posted here yet? It's another one inspired by Message Sent: http://ultrapandafle...-au-fic-and-was

[Junebug]

Source 

 

Was this posted here yet? It's another one inspired by Message Sent: http://ultrapandafle...-au-fic-and-was

I ran out of likes but these are gorgeous and pretty!

[Cee]

Speaking of Message Sent, just saw her asks and she probably won't be releasing another chapter until maybe next week.