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Doesn't she still transfer something in the Eluvian even if Kieran wasn't born?Could be a piece of Mythal's soul transferred to Morrigan's Eluvian or some other place to keep her alive like in DA2.

Considering the files found where it's stated Flemeth's plan was
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As for Urthemiel, I doubt we'll heard about it again. Either we'll see the remaining Old Gods, or they'll bring back Dumat.

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As for Urthemiel, I doubt we'll heard about it again. Either we'll see the remaining Old Gods, or they'll bring back Dumat.

 

I doubt they'd bring back Dumat since he was the first archdemon, which was ages ago. And even Corypheus says he can no longer sense his presence (if you side with the Templars and do Under Her Skin)



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I doubt they'd bring back Dumat since he was the first archdemon, which was ages ago. And even Corypheus says he can no longer sense his presence (if you side with the Templars and do Under Her Skin)


I doubt they'll use him too. My point was only that if they're going to bring back a dead OG, they'll probably go with the one who won't p##s off a part of the fanbase.

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And you're both ignoring how I said that it isn't just that Mythal prefers a human host and human daughters or just that the protagonists are consistently written to be human in mind:

 

BioWare based Andrastian humans of European Christians (and the Rivaini on Moorish Spaniards), and elves based on real-world minority people; Jews, Gypsies, Afro-Native Americans, etc. Rather than treating this distinction with sensitivity, they feel no qualms about applying real-world problematic tropes with real-world problematic connotations by having white European Christians human characters consistently upstage indigenous folks elves with their own lore/culture/technology.

 

Human characters in the Dragon Age universe are consistently shown to understand and utilize elven lore, magic, knowledge, and technology better than the elven characters can.

 

Finn from Witch Hunt figures out that Eluvian is an ancient elvish word that means "mirror" while the Dalish Ariane had no clue, and he figures out how to use ancient elven magic rituals to track the eluvian to find Morrigan while Ariane just follows along and gives her blood to fuel the ritual at the end.

 

Morrigan, a human, researches eluvians and manages to reconstruct one from scratch and is treated as though she knows exactly what she's doing. However, when Merrill, an elf, tries to reconstruct an eluvian from scratch, the narrative treats her as messing with powers beyond her control and technology too great for her to understand. (Even though she explains several times that the only reason the mirror hurt Tamlen and Mahariel was because of the darkspawn taint, so once she used magic to purge the shard of the taint, it was no longer any more dangerous than an actual piece of glass. Yet every character in the game and even the devs treat it like Merrill trying to fix the eluvian itself as the problem, and she just doesn't know what she's doing, and that the only way for her to "get better" is if she completely destroys/gives up on the mirror like a good elf. And it takes Mighty Whitey Human Hawke to show her the light.)

 

The Elven mother-goddess? She's human. The elven mother-goddess's daughter? She's human. The character to tell the Inquisitor all about the Eluvian, the Cross Roads, the Arbor Wilds, the Temple of Mythal, ancient elven lore, Well of Sorrows, etc? She's human. The character to drink from the Well--the last scrap of ancient elven knowledge? Most likely human, since the devs have arranged it so that only either Morrigan or the human-intended protagonist drinks it.

 

Elves may be turning out to be an important race in the lore, but so far they certainly aren't shown to be active players in their own history, lore, culture, magic, technology, fate or future. It's human characters (Flemeth, Morrigan, human intended protagonist, etc) who are consistently shown to understand and utilize it better than they can; somehow showing that human characters master not only their own culture, knowledge, and technology, but the elves' knowledge and technology better than the elves can.

 

 And that's what I have a problem with.

 

And again, I agree, Perhaps that's why building up the character of Solas should be important? An elf with a traditional Elven viewpoint?



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And again, I agree, Perhaps that's why building up the character of Solas should be important? An elf with a traditional Elven viewpoint?

I wouldn't say his views are exactly Elven traditional. His relationship and Views with the fade citizens clash with the dalish's, and he doesn't seem to match up with the Elves in Arlathan.
He's more 'elven' the. Flemeth, who wasn't exactly the model human Stereotype Though (and she willingly sacrificed herself because she knew Solas wants to help the People).

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I wouldn't say his views are exactly Elven traditional. His relationship and Views with the fade citizens clash with the dalish's, and he doesn't seem to match up with the Elves in Arlathan.
He's more 'elven' the. Flemeth, who wasn't exactly the model human Stereotype Though (and she willingly sacrificed herself because she knew Solas wants to help the People).

 

I didn't say his views but his "viewpoint", i.e., the place from which he starts, which might not necessarily be the place where he ends (ie, his "views"). And I believe the distinction is particularly important when it comes to Solas, because my particular head canon is that his journey with an exposure to all the different people forming the inquisition actually influences his future opinion.

 

And of course, Solas, also addresses this point made by Siha:

 

Your actual problem seems to be that BioWare shows us a world too realistic. In our world, minorities suffer. They are usually oppressed, leading to them developing an underlying hostility, which again leads to seclusion. Not seldom do they have a lower education therefore. They often lose their original culture and language, trying to keep it alive but often messing up. I know little about Jews but I did see other minorities and what BW shows me is something I have seen in real life. Being as underprivileged as minorities often are, it is just realistic to show that they can hardly hold a candle to majority representatives, who have a better education and better resources. Not nice, not funny, not motivating, but realistic.

 

 

In that he does have the education and the confidence to argue with anyone, from a highly educated circle mage, an equally educated Vint mage, a versatile representative of the Qun, the Dalish... In fact, it is probably no coincidence but may be exactly to address this point that Solas is shown engaging all of the above and in most cases, more than holding his own.


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I never got the sense from the game that Merrill's drive to fix the eluvian itself was the issue, but more her obsession with blood magic and her insistence that her use of it could and would harm only her and no one else (as we learn from the end of her personal quest, trusting the demon to help her finish the eluvian would have been disastrous for everyone). My Hawke would have been more than happy to help finish the darn thing if blood magic wasn't the only path. Maybe it's up to player interpretation, but I don't agree that the characters in the game have an issue with the eluvian itself. And I don't know where you are getting that the devs treat it that way as well. 

 

As to your point that humans have a better grasp on elven technology, I would agree with you. They certainly appear to. However, the humans have better access to research than the elves. Merrill herself says she would have used lyrium to repair the eluvian if she'd access to it. Ariane didn't know that eluvian meant "mirror" because the Dalish didn't know and have no way of expanding their understanding beyond what is shared with in their clan. Finn knows because he's a circle mage and has had the tools and access needed to study these things. I don't see it as "the humans are better" but simply that because of their oppression, the elves don't have access to what they need to expand their knowledge and learn what the humans have (which is true for real life minorities as well).

 

I forget who said it earlier, but if Bioware is doing anything deliberately they seem to be portraying real-life oppression and struggles for minorities. I don't agree that they are upholding them.


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I'm also working on this prompt!

 

This is just a W.I.P. I am taking this far too seriously.  Funnily enough, they start exactly the same way.

 

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Not that great at the moment.  Actually planning on expanding this.

 

<3 , both of you for trying this one. I think I will attempt the Josephine/Sebastian one soon. It's too cute not to.


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I'm starting to get excited about playing DA:I again.  I haven't played in months because I've been waiting for Black Emporium. Tomorrow...Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!  hehehe. I'm going to start all over since it's been so long.


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Aww....another adorable comic by liliumsnow

http://liliumsnow.de...othes-530937071

 

Very beautiful Solas and Lavellan

http://ahague.devian...sitor-530957010


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Ooooh. I never took Cole to the Temple... I'll have to try that next time. I'm still trying to nail down my favorite party for that mission.

 

I took my 'default' party with me - Solas, Cassandra, and Dorian.  My mage's default party is going to be Solas, Iron Bull, and Cole/Sera (swapped now and then and NOT Sera for the temple ;) ). Still picking a spec for my mage. I ignored Vivienne's invitation so I won't have a KE, so I could become one, but I am also considering dual Rift Mage combo party.

 

I still can't believe anyone would leave Solas behind on that mission. My friend did, and she already knew he was an ancient god before then from our conversations weeks before she got the game (before I knew she was planning on it and I had a still-freshly heartbroken Lavellan).

 

 



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I'm starting to get excited about playing DA:I again.  I haven't played in months because I've been waiting for Black Emporium. Tomorrow...Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!  hehehe. I'm going to start all over since it's been so long.

 

I have been considering restarting, but I think I'll just tweak my mage's face and hair. She's still early level and in the Hinterlands. I haven't really played her much since I was also waiting for BE.
 


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Aww....another adorable comic by liliumsnow

http://liliumsnow.de...othes-530937071

 

Very beautiful Solas and Lavellan

http://ahague.devian...sitor-530957010

 

liliumsnow's works are always cute. ^_^ (LOL at Anders' jacket smelling like the sewers. xD)

 

And that second artwork is just gorgeous!  :wub: Love the glow of Lavellan's vallaslin.


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liliumsnow's works are always cute. ^_^ (LOL at Anders' jacket smelling like the sewers. xD)

 

And that second artwork is just gorgeous!  :wub: Love the glow of Lavellan's vallaslin.

ooooh...you changed your icon picture!!  So adorable!!!


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liliumsnow's comics are the cutest. One of those things that can always bring a smile.


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ooooh...you changed your icon picture!!  So adorable!!!

 

Yup! I did. :D Thanks, dear!  :wub:

 

 

And My turn for art. :)

 

Solas and Lavellan.

 

It's tea time. (Solas with a monocle xD)

 

Solas (Look into his eyes... OwO)


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I took my 'default' party with me - Solas, Cassandra, and Dorian.  My mage's default party is going to be Solas, Iron Bull, and Cole/Sera (swapped now and then and NOT Sera for the temple ;) ). Still picking a spec for my mage. I ignored Vivienne's invitation so I won't have a KE, so I could become one, but I am also considering dual Rift Mage combo party.

 

I still can't believe anyone would leave Solas behind on that mission. My friend did, and she already knew he was an ancient god before then from our conversations weeks before she got the game (before I knew she was planning on it and I had a still-freshly heartbroken Lavellan).

 

I always take Solas and Dorian. They are invaluable. I've also taken Cassandra, Blackwall, and Vivienne. But I didn't feel that any of them added much. Vivienne has some interesting banter with Morrigan, but I'd prefer to include another party member for different insight.

 

I'll definitely have to try Cole... maybe Varric has some sassy one-liners...



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Somehow I missed that the BioWare store added some new tarot items. New prints and tarot shirts for Varric, Vivienne's Divine card, and Iron Bull (The Devil).



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<3 , both of you for trying this one. I think I will attempt the Josephine/Sebastian one soon. It's too cute not to.

 

I had fun writing this.  It's kind of clumsy at the moment but I'm going to improve on it.
 



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I'm starting to get excited about playing DA:I again.  I haven't played in months because I've been waiting for Black Emporium. Tomorrow...Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!  hehehe. I'm going to start all over since it's been so long.

 

I've kind of resigned myself to the modding being a mess each patch (unless that situation has changed).  But BE will be nice to get sliders on both my quizzies and fix some little things that were bugging me.

 

EDIT for ToP: The Message Sent hunger is real.

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I've kind of resigned myself to the modding being a mess each patch (unless that situation has changed).  But BE will be nice to get sliders on both my quizzies and fix some little things that were bugging me.

 

I might go back to the game when the BE comes out, but I miss my Dalish Skyhold PJs.  And my Qunari ones.  And the ones with nugs on them.


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I might go back to the game when the BE comes out, but I miss my Dalish Skyhold PJs.  And my Qunari ones.  And the ones with nugs on them.

 

Unph, the qunari ones.  They were gorgeous.  Dorian approved +100 of ManAdaar in sexy PJs.



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Unph, the qunari ones.  They were gorgeous.  Dorian approved +100 of ManAdaar in sexy PJs.

 

Sera greatly approved of them on my f!Adaar.



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I wish I could get excited about playing DAI

I'm currently running around trying to be a completionst (Only missing Hissing Wastes shards!) so I don't have to do What Pride Had Wrought

I'm more excited about playing DA:O and DA2 over again once I finish 


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I did a mostly completionist run and I have a few tiny things to do on my canon playthrough. Mainly two Hissing Wastes tombs and mosaic pieces and maybe one bottle.

 

On my mage, I'm going to be way less completionist. It's meant as a more casual run for narrative and character things more than anything else. I'm struggling with the idea of taking her to Therinfal instead of Redcliffe but she's a Dalish mage....there's no reason at all for her to even care about Templars. But...I also want Cole faster. Since I'm a mage this time and my party setup is almost always two mages, one warrior, one rogue, and I take Solas everywhere...getting Dorian right now isn't priority. As much as I love Dorian and all.