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I did a mostly completionist run and I have a few tiny things to do on my canon playthrough. Mainly two Hissing Wastes tombs and mosaic pieces and maybe one bottle.

 

On my mage, I'm going to be way less completionist. It's meant as a more casual run for narrative and character things more than anything else. I'm struggling with the idea of taking her to Therinfal instead of Redcliffe but she's a Dalish mage....there's no reason at all for her to even care about Templars. But...I also want Cole faster. Since I'm a mage this time and my party setup is almost always two mages, one warrior, one rogue, and I take Solas everywhere...getting Dorian right now isn't priority. As much as I love Dorian and all.

 

Have her meet with Alexius and realise that the situation in Redcliff is bad.  So she goes to the Templers in the hope of getting some firepower to go save the mages.  By the time she has her Templer forces it's too late to save the mages.


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I did a mostly completionist run and I have a few tiny things to do on my canon playthrough. Mainly two Hissing Wastes tombs and mosaic pieces and maybe one bottle.

 

On my mage, I'm going to be way less completionist. It's meant as a more casual run for narrative and character things more than anything else. I'm struggling with the idea of taking her to Therinfal instead of Redcliffe but she's a Dalish mage....there's no reason at all for her to even care about Templars. But...I also want Cole faster. Since I'm a mage this time and my party setup is almost always two mages, one warrior, one rogue, and I take Solas everywhere...getting Dorian right now isn't priority. As much as I love Dorian and all.

yeah...i struggle - for lore reasons - why any dalish would give a toss about the templars.  but my lavellan goes through therinfal because my trev has to go through redcliffe.  the story i set up for my trev is much more compelling if she goes to get the mages and conscripts them. 

 

frankly i don't think a dalish would give a crap either way.  a dalish's view of the mages may actually be more similar to how morrigan was in DA:O.  they aren't really involved in the direct politics of the circles. they of course would know them and want to avoid them but they have no real stake in the current war. they are oppressed in about 500 other ways so i think it would be more 'oh no, don't get locked up in the mage tower'.  so...i dunno. i think either choosing either would be a bit like flipping a coin.  you could headcanon that in talking with your advisors - who seem much mroe protemplar - and then seeing how batshit the situation in redcliffe is, the templars seemed to be the way to go. because remember, your lavellan would only have cursory knowledge of the innerworkings of a mage tower and the nuances of the politics and problems.

 

funnily enough - both playthroughs - neither organization exists any longer in my game.


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Have her meet with Alexius and realise that the situation in Redcliff is bad.  So she goes to the Templers in the hope of getting some firepower to go save the mages.  By the time she has her Templer forces it's too late to save the mages.

 

 

I was also thinking about the conversation with Minaeve being a potential influence, which also works with that scenario.



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I was also thinking about the conversation with Minaeve being a potential influence, which also works with that scenario.

 

It does.  The senario I gave you was the one I had planned for my Trev before I realised that the mages made more sense for her character (so Adaar is getting my Templer storyline).



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Though when I had that first conversation with Minaeve again on my mage, I had to laugh at her "Fen'Harel take the Dalish"

 

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Bringing this glorious image set back again.


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Kind of old now but there's an Awkward Zombie featuring Solas (and Katie's too dumb to live Lavellan):

 

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I might go back to the game when the BE comes out, but I miss my Dalish Skyhold PJs.  And my Qunari ones.  And the ones with nugs on them.

 

Pictures???



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Pictures???

 

Qunari:

 

 

Dalish:

 

 

Nugs:

 


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I'd like to note that currently, mods are working in Patch 6. Not sure if Patch 7 will affect anything when it comes out, but you can get your nugjamas active right now if you wanted to. Just need to download the (slightly beta) v .49 mod manager and more or less follow the steps used to make mods work in Patch 5, and you'll be good to go.

I've got nearly 40 mods that are currently active in my game. That nullify fall damage made Jaws of Hakkon a lot less terrifying to jump off the giant branches and cliffs. :)


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Have her meet with Alexius and realise that the situation in Redcliff is bad.  So she goes to the Templers in the hope of getting some firepower to go save the mages.  By the time she has her Templer forces it's too late to save the mages.

 

That's basically what my Lavellan did.  I agree with Kissiebear that the Dalish don't have any strong stake in the mage-templar war.  And Clan Lavellan's habit of weaving between rival city-states probably insulated them from the worst of the post-Kirkwall fallout, so really, all my Lavellan knows about mages and templars is either hearsay, or what she's seen since arriving at the Conclave.  Which is...not very charitable to either side.

 

Also, if you initiate the Redcliffe sequence at the war table, Cullen points out that Redcliffe is a huge gamble with no backup plan.  If something goes wrong, the Inquisition loses you, their only way of closing the rifts and the Breach.  So my Lavellan went to Therinfall for templar support, figuring it couldn't possibly be as FUBAR  :rolleyes:


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I'd like to note that currently, mods are working in Patch 6. Not sure if Patch 7 will affect anything when it comes out, but you can get your nugjamas active right now if you wanted to. Just need to download the (slightly beta) v .49 mod manager and more or less follow the steps used to make mods work in Patch 5, and you'll be good to go.

I've got nearly 40 mods that are currently active in my game. That nullify fall damage made Jaws of Hakkon a lot less terrifying to jump off the giant branches and cliffs. :)

 

Oooh!  I didn't know there was a new mod manager!  I think I'll hang out for a bit and see if Patch 7 and BE f*** up everything again though.  Also I uninstalled DA:I so reinstalling the game and the mods will be a pain.



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I'd like to note that currently, mods are working in Patch 6. Not sure if Patch 7 will affect anything when it comes out, but you can get your nugjamas active right now if you wanted to. Just need to download the (slightly beta) v .49 mod manager and more or less follow the steps used to make mods work in Patch 5, and you'll be good to go.

I've got nearly 40 mods that are currently active in my game. That nullify fall damage made Jaws of Hakkon a lot less terrifying to jump off the giant branches and cliffs. :)

 

Doesn't this involve a lot of messing around with the patches?  I'd rather just wait until the mod manager is stable.


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That's basically what my Lavellan did.  I agree with Kissiebear that the Dalish don't have any strong stake in the mage-templar war.  And Clan Lavellan's habit of weaving between rival city-states probably insulated them from the worst of the post-Kirkwall fallout, so really, all my Lavellan knows about mages and templars is either hearsay, or what she's seen since arriving at the Conclave.  Which is...not very charitable to either side.

 

Also, if you initiate the Redcliffe sequence at the war table, Cullen points out that Redcliffe is a huge gamble with no backup plan.  If something goes wrong, the Inquisition loses you, their only way of closing the rifts and the Breach.  So my Lavellan went to Therinfall for templar support, figuring it couldn't possibly be as FUBAR  :rolleyes:

 

When choosing the mages on my rogue, what justification I used was based both on information from others, information she'd have (though moreso than others since she was supposed to be informing on the Conclave, so I don't think she'd be uninformed), as well as a Dalish guiding value for freedom...and from an outsider's perspective, having mages get locked up in a tower without much freedom, being controlled and unable to live their lives how they want to, it can be looked as as another form of slavery.

 

This is why there was an alliance with the mages.

 

If I go for the Templars on my mage (which was the plan when I originally conceived of her as a Trev mage...but oh, Solas...), I'd probably have her conscript them to try and avoid abuses.



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Sort of? You have to move the JoH out of the Update folder temporarily when you actually use the mod manager to make the patch, but you don't have to rename Patch folders or anything. Mods can just go in a separate folder called Patch_mods (or something similar). 

If you're not confident, I'd probably wait until Black Emporium and Patch 7 like Sable is, since they could break modding accidentally.



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If I go for the Templars on my mage (which was the plan when I originally conceived of her as a Trev mage...but oh, Solas...), I'd probably have her conscript them to try and avoid abuses.

 

My Lavellan conscripted the templars.  Which made Ser Barris sadface a little, and I felt a bit bad, but TBH I don't think conscripting the templars has the same bite as conscripting the mages.  The templars started out as part of the Inquisition, and they seem to handle it ok whether you conscript or ally with them.


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My Lavellan conscripted the templars.  Which made Ser Barris sadface a little, and I felt a bit bad, but TBH I don't think conscripting the templars has the same bite as conscripting the mages.  The templars started out as part of the Inquisition, and they seem to handle it ok whether you conscript or ally with them.

So the Lady Trev is for the epic thing Meer is writing: She conscripted the mages - she was like 'haha no...you guys need help but you are a g.d. mess'.  they are free in the end anyway since leliana is divine.  i'm actually quite happy with the backstory as to why she sided with them. and we have some really poignant stuff with solas...we thought we were just going to not utilize him and dorian as much because on the surface Trev and them wouldn't be all that close, but no. my trev's interactions with them make me weeepy.



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 Your actual problem seems to be that BioWare shows us a world too realistic. In our world, minorities suffer. They are usually oppressed, leading to them developing an underlying hostility, which again leads to seclusion. Not seldom do they have a lower education therefore. They often lose their original culture and language, trying to keep it alive but often messing up. I know little about Jews but I did see other minorities and what BW shows me is something I have seen in real life. Being as underprivileged as minorities often are, it is just realistic to show that they can hardly hold a candle to majority representatives, who have a better education and better resources. Not nice, not funny, not motivating, but realistic.

You however wish BW showed a different world, a world where the minority suddenly surpasses the majority. But how would that work? If it worked, how would they still be such a minority? (If all poor Brazilian slum kids rose to become great football players in Europe, subsequently helping their folks back home to build and improve, how would there still be any Brazilian slums left?)

 

Please stop twisting and omitting my words.

 

First, how "realistic" is this world when it has magic and giants and dragons?

 

Second, it's not that this world is "too realistic," it's that it's "too realistic" only for the minority/disadvantaged characters but not for human characters. It's the double-standard regarding the "realism." It's that BioWare has written it so that human characters constantly find themselves in fantastic, out-of-the-ordinary circumstances that let them gain more knowledge and advantages than the average human, while they write it so that elves never get such fantastic circumstances or lucky advantages.

 

You want to talk about "not realistic"? Most human characters don't know that much about ancient elven lore and magics either, so it would be "unrealistic" for a contemporary human like Morrigan to be able to gain such knowledge. But Morrigan didn't have an upbringing typical of "most humans"; she was raised by Flemeth, and given unusual access to such knowledge. It would also be "unrealistic" for a human apostate to be raised in plain sight of the Templars (since most child mages tend to get caught or killed, or possessed by a demon if unproperly trained in magic), but Hawke didn't have a typical upbringing of most Andrastian human mages. Malcolm Hawke had been a Circle mage who had escaped, galavanded around the country as a mercenary, then settled down and used his Circle knowledge to train his children so they could hide and control their magic. (To say nothing of when Hawke gets to Kirkwall, where apparently none of the rules of the city apply to him or her.) But, elven characters never get similar chances by BioWare; they all get the "realistic" upbringing that keeps them down while human characters like Morrigan and Hawke get the "fantastic" circumstances that let them rise up and gain access to more knowledge, opportunities, and circumstances than most humans in their socio/economic race/class should "realistically" gain, while elven characters never get such breaks.

 

And I never said the elves should all suddenly surpass the majority. But in terms of knowledge of their own lore/culture and utilization of their own magic/technology, is it really too much to ask to have an occasional elven character know more than a human character? Of course it is. Since the Dalish have spent centuries doing nothing but researching and reclaiming their own culture, of course it's too much to ask that they would know more than a human mage who only started skimming a few years ago.

 

Of course sheltered human mage Finn should be able to effortlessly translate eluvian and piece together an ancient elven tracking ritual, just to show up the Dalish warrior in the party. Of course when human hedge witch Morrigan repairs an eluvian based on scraps of research she's done over the last few years, the narrative treats it like she knows exactly what she's doing; but when Dalish Elf Merrill does the exact same thing, the narrative treats it like she's messing with powers too great for her to understand. (It's only her people's magic and technology; why should she know what she's doing?) Of course the human hedge witch Morrigan info-dumps the Inquisitor with knowledge of ancient elven lore, ruins, and technology (and most often ends up drinking from the Well, gaining the last scrap of ancient elven knowledge), even to a Dalish Inquisitor.

 

They couldn't write her to be elven or write in another elven character to be the expert on ancient elven sh!t; not when they can have human characters constantly know more about elven stuff than the elves do, and have human characters constantly better use the elven stuff than elven characters can. That's "realistic."


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we thought we were just going to not utilize him and dorian as much because on the surface Trev and them wouldn't be all that close, but no. my trev's interactions with them make me weeepy.

 

To be fair, a lot of things involving Dorian and/or Solas gives me weepy feels.  Dorian is the master of ninja feels.


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(kinda late but) Happy 4k Solas thread \o/


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I wish I could get excited about playing DAI

I'm currently running around trying to be a completionst (Only missing Hissing Wastes shards!) so I don't have to do What Pride Had Wrought

I'm more excited about playing DA:O and DA2 over again once I finish 

 

I've been having a lot of DA2 feels lately, too.  I might dabble in Kirkwall here soon, provided I find time between all this life I have goin' on. :P

 

I might go back to the game when the BE comes out, but I miss my Dalish Skyhold PJs.  And my Qunari ones.  And the ones with nugs on them.

 

Oooh!  I didn't know there was a new mod manager!  I think I'll hang out for a bit and see if Patch 7 and BE f*** up everything again though.  Also I uninstalled DA:I so reinstalling the game and the mods will be a pain.

 

I plan on waiting til the BE comes out to play the campaign again.  I did the workaround to have my mods work with the recent patch, but I was growing weary of redoing it every time I wanted to try out a new mod, plus, the mods kinda broke my DAIMP experience (maps wouldn't load, I'd time out, or just flat out white screen).  *sigh* 

 

So I reverted to vanilla, played JoH and have been spending a considerable amount of time being bad at Assassin in MP.  :lol:

 

Edit: Oh shoot, ToP again!

 

Here, have some shameless self-promotion.

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Random thought:  I just love the way Solas says "More supplies for Recruit Whittle."


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Random thought:  I just love the way Solas says "More supplies for Recruit Whittle."

 

I do too. I don't know why either. xD Just say "Whittle" one more time, Solas. Thaaaaanks!

 

Off note, my Inquisition updated today but I haven't been on Origins for a about a week or so, has there been an update? (I wish Origin gave a link to these updates. >_< Unless I'm not seeing it)


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Off note, my Inquisition updated today but I haven't been on Origins for a about a week or so, has there been an update? (I wish Origin gave a link to these updates. >_< Unless I'm not seeing it)

 

It's probably just getting ready for Black Emporium dropping tomorrow.


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Random thought:  I just love the way Solas says "More supplies for Recruit Whittle." everything

 

Fixed that ;)

 

But yes, I do too. Sometimes the most minor/random things stick out.


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To be fair, a lot of things involving Dorian and/or Solas gives me weepy feels.  Dorian is the master of ninja feels.

 

Between Solas, Dorian, and Cole....


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