Please stop twisting and omitting my words.
First, how "realistic" is this world when it has magic and giants and dragons?
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You want to talk about "not realistic"? Most human characters don't know that much about ancient elven lore and magics either, so it would be "unrealistic" for a contemporary human like Morrigan to be able to gain such knowledge. But Morrigan didn't have an upbringing typical of "most humans"; she was raised by Flemeth, and given unusual access to such knowledge. It would also be "unrealistic" for a human apostate to be raised in plain sight of the Templars (since most child mages tend to get caught or killed, or possessed by a demon if unproperly trained in magic), but Hawke didn't have a typical upbringing of most Andrastian human mages.
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is it really too much to ask to have an occasional elven character know more than a human character?
Wow, you're really hostile, huh? Sure, have it your way.
Alright, first, I never twisted or omitted anything. You talked about seeing the same oppression you experienced, so I took the notion of too much realism from you.
Second, you gotta be kidding me. That silly "but there's magic and dragons" thingy? Eeh, sorry, let's not stoop that low, alright? I'll just ignore this. Human (or elven etc.) mentality is what we discuss, not the nature of the environment.
Third, I mentioned three examples for exceptions where an elf surpasses human contestants to reach a position (inquisitor, circle leader) of high prestige. You wanted "the occasional elf who...", I showed you some. You ignore this. Instead you bring two other examples of exceptions, this time of humans being in special situations. We both know that such things exist and I don't see the point of your argument. Hence, I feel unable to reply to this, other than: yes, there are humans who are special, but there are also elves who are special.
Anyway, you carry a deep grudge in you, and when it comes to this topic you really have a chip on your shoulder. I do not know why you wish to see so much evil in BioWare and why you desperately want to feel wronged. I find it sad, but maybe I defend them too much, alright. It is your decision to be so unhappy with the games and you are free to do so, of course. But I see this leads nowhere because you do not even want it any other way, so I'll drop out of this discussion here.
I was gonna agree with a lot of what you said, but then you had to say this.
What's wrong with using sexuality or one's femininity to succeed, actually? How does using sexuality or femininity makes someone "fake strong"?
I'm only asking because your wording here really makes me uncomfortable, placing femininity and sexuality at a lower status than whatever else you think is more honorable.
I just hope you were just clumsy in how you expressed yourself, but really, sexuality and femininity are just as valid ways to be strong, and to make a character interesting, as anything else you might find "more worthy".
I have a superficial understanding of Isabela & Merril, though, so I'm sure there are flaws I have yet to grasp about them, but I'm talking in a more general way, here.
Easy: nothing per se, but it's a man's point of view. It's how men have envisioned women for ages, that they aren't tough enough and that they can't handle things any other way. Femme fatale. How does a woman get to the top in business? Sleep her way up. How does a pretty (and dumb) woman get money or a good job? Sleep with her boss. Marry rich. How does a woman reach some overall goal? Seduce with men who are too stupid to realize it. Or, something I saw in a movie yesterday, how does a woman win the poker world championship? Show t*ts to distract the male contestant's attention. etc. Oh, another classic: how does a woman punish her man? Deny sex.
Nothing is wrong with it until it is the only way I am presented with far too often. Exploiting this male weakness is one way, yes, but it comes down to this just far too often and I very much appreciate to be presented a pretty girl not using this approach at least once in a while.
This is not a question of honor to me, it is a question of pigeonholing female characters. You can disagree, no issues there, but I personally just don't like it.
Just like I prefer to see a movie where a woman stabs somebody 20 times to kill him (or, say, beat him with her fist until he's dead), instead of poisoning his food. Break away from stereotypes. Like that girl with the dragon tattoo? I liked that. We don't see this often in a woman, this complete emotional mess and hunk of aggression and rage and mathematical cleverness and determination. Still enough sex in the story, but just an exceptional non-womanish woman. So, no, it wasn't clumsiness, it was simply my opinion.
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