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I have a bit of a theory that concern the last 2 LIs...

 

So basically, we know that the last 2 LIs are possibly Vivienne, Blackwall, Varric, or Solas. And we also know that the Varricmancers and the Solassians (through a bit of personal experience) are some of the nicest threads on the BSN.

 

So, my theory is that the developers (or marketers) planned it so that even if the last two LIs are revealed, the fans of those characters wouldn't make too much of a deal of it. I've read many times on this thread that even if we don't get Solas as an LI, we would wallow in sadness before going to the threads of the finally revealed LIs and celebrate with them.

 

I'm not sure if that made any sense but....

 

On another note, I know that the LIs weren't originally planned to be revealed and it probably just turned out this way by sheer luck or something, but it's fun to speculate, no? ;)


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People at Bioware be like
 

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Ah good point. Still, I do wonder what she means! Maybe adorable schmoopy stuff makes her uncomfortable? Or maybe tender/intimate scenes? I mean, I had to cover my eyes the first time I got a sex scene in DAO, but mostly that was because it was so unintentionally hilariously awkward

 

This is what happens when they don't just give us the info! We go crazy with speculations. 

 

The sole reason I want to learn how to use the toolset is to mod the game to make it even more hilariously awkward.  I wont be happy until everyone is in full armour.

 

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HAPPY PAGE 400!


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more than 400 pages!!!

 

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Happy 400 everyone! I have no party gifs so here is a very excited Starfire:

 

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HAPPY 400, SOLAS THREAD!

 

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y'all are lovelies


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Happy belated 400th page!

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HAPPY PAGE 400 EVERYBODEH

 

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Happy page 400! (I don't have any gifs since I'm on my phone, oops... >.<)
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HAPPY 400, SOLAS THREAD!

 

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y'all are lovelies

 

An alternate, equally sassy gif that I may or may not just happen to have decorating my profile page.  :whistle:

 

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Happy 400 +  Solas thread.

 

Never would I have thought I'd become a Solas fan, especially pre-game, and now look.


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Oh? Is there a Page 401 dance party going on? 

 

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Best thread in the BSN! Alright!


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Dance party? Let me contribute my own (awkward) dance moves!

 

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This is an accurate portrayal of my skills. Yay, happy 400+!

 

(side note, I am so nervous - I'm flying to Vancouver tomorrow and I've never been on an international flight, and does anyone know cool things to do around downtown Vancouver because I will be with friends for a day or two before the conference starts and stuff...)


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Dammit. Now I feel like joining the party

 

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Wow. This place is jumping after hitting 400 pages. Just think of all the pics if/when Solas is confirmed LI. What are your guesses? I'm gonna say about 30 pages of gif in the first day. lol


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@Awkward - Vancouver is wonderful! Love that city.....unless you are speaking of the city directly across the "drink" from PDX. Not really the same as Vancouver, BC. ;) (no offense to 'the Couv' residents, I swear. <3 )

Best advice I can give you is, WALK! The city has some great dining experiences, and interesting sights and people. Do a general google search for something more specific, but seriously, lovely city to walk around in. (IMO) HAVE FUN!! :)
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@Awkward - Vancouver is wonderful! Love that city.....unless you are speaking of the city directly across the "drink" from PDX. Not really the same as Vancouver, BC. ;) (no offense to 'the Couv' residents, I swear. <3 )

Best advice I can give you is, WALK! The city has some great dining experiences, and interesting sights and people. Do a general google search for something more specific, but seriously, lovely city to walk around in. (IMO) HAVE FUN!! :)

 

Haha, yes, I meant Vancouver, BC. Thanks for the advice! I'm really looking forward to being there.


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Was looking through that little resume about Solas attached to the "Last Supper" scene and the fact that he doesn't believe in good or bad.   Now that has given me pause for thought.   He is perfectly correct in not labelling people, races or spirits as good and bad.   Even magic is really only a tool and it is what you do with it that determines it's morality so to speak.  

 

However, I'm hoping this insistence on neutrality does not extend to actions because there are some actions that cannot be considered as anything other than bad.   For example, that guy stealing away elf children and murdering them in DA2 (and whatever he did before killing them).    That was bad.    The man himself was clearly sick in the head and admitted that he would keep on doing it if left running around free.    It was also apparent that if returned to his father, the Magistrate, it wouldn't be long before he was loose again.    So invariably I did execute him but I never thought of him personally as evil but what he did as evil and that seemed the only reliable way of stopping it.

 

There has been quite a bit of argument over on the Cole thread about his actions in Asunder which I don't want to get into here but I am hoping that the reason Solas is okay with him is because he understands he is a spirit and is still learning about the morality of actions in our world rather than some sort of moral relativism which means that no action can be classed as either good or bad.    Of course it might mean that provided you don't try to lock him up as an apostate he is not going to be too judgemental of your actions but in a way I prefer having a companion say that what I am doing is wrong, even if I don't agree with them.   Sometimes it is also useful to keep you from thinking you are infallible. 

 

How did you understand that comment?


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I don't think Solas has no morality at all, I think that was just a quick little blurb during an interview to distinguish him from the other companions. Based on other information I think he leans more toward not making snap judgments about people/creatures and not labeling all members of a group good or bad just because of what they are. If Solas was completely amoral, I don't think he'd want to help the Inquisition (putting his freedom at risk) because he wouldn't care. Out of all our group, he's probably the one with the best chance of surviving on his own with the Fade bleeding into the corporeal world (besides Cole).


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Was looking through that little resume about Solas attached to the "Last Supper" scene and the fact that he doesn't believe in good or bad.   Now that has given me pause for thought.   He is perfectly correct in not labelling people, races or spirits as good and bad.   Even magic is really only a tool and it is what you do with it that determines it's morality so to speak.  

 

However, I'm hoping this insistence on neutrality does not extend to actions because there are some actions that cannot be considered as anything other than bad.   For example, that guy stealing away elf children and murdering them in DA2 (and whatever he did before killing them).    That was bad.    The man himself was clearly sick in the head and admitted that he would keep on doing it if left running around free.    It was also apparent that if returned to his father, the Magistrate, it wouldn't be long before he was loose again.    So invariably I did execute him but I never thought of him personally as evil but what he did as evil and that seemed the only reliable way of stopping it.

 

There has been quite a bit of argument over on the Cole thread about his actions in Asunder which I don't want to get into here but I am hoping that the reason Solas is okay with him is because he understands he is a spirit and is still learning about the morality of actions in our world rather than some sort of moral relativism which means that no action can be classed as either good or bad.    Of course it might mean that provided you don't try to lock him up as an apostate he is not going to be too judgemental of your actions but in a way I prefer having a companion say that what I am doing is wrong, even if I don't agree with them.   Sometimes it is also useful to keep you from thinking you are infallible. 

 

How did you understand that comment?

I took it to mean that Solas is more interested in the truth of things than in immediately judging them. Like with Cole - I imagine his attitude toward Cole is similar to mine.  Yes, the murders he committed were wrong - I don't think anyone, Cole's fans included, would deny that. Without delving into a debate, as this isn't the thread for that (and I've already posted in there, extensively, so if anyone's interested in something more detailed from me, go look there  :)), I'll just say that I think Solas will realize Cole did not have the capacity to understand why it was wrong at the time.  But what's done is done, and what Solas can do is help Cole understand what he is now, and maybe help him figure out what path to take with that knowledge.

 

Let's just assume for the sake of argument that Solas is not intending to betray us (and I recognize the possibility - though it really doesn't temper my excitement about his character, or his potential romance arc if he has one, at all). The fact that he approaches us, and offers his help, is telling. It means he does see what is happening as a tragedy that must be stopped, and he's willing to risk his freedom as an apostate in offering his help. Even if he's not willing to immediately label whatever's causing it as 'evil,' doesn't mean he's just going to sit back and let events run their course - as someone who is truly neutral might. You could argue that it would be in his own self-interest, but I believe if there's anyone who could adapt to a world that's been encroached upon by the Fade, and could evade crazy templars in the meantime - and recognize that fact - it's Solas. In other words, not being willing to recognize a person or thing as bad (because 'it's more complicated than that!') doesn't mean you can't see the result of their actions as bad.

 

To bring it back to your example - I wouldn't call that mage who kills elven children evil. He was obviously mentally ill. In our world, I would have him seek help, and put him in an institution where he could get it, and live his life in relative peace without harming anyone else. No such institution exists in Thedas, so my character gave him the merciful death he asked for so no more children would die by has hand. (If I were to condemn anyone in that scenario, it would be the City Guard who didn't bother to investigate a crime against elves, or the Magistrate for putting his own reputation above the lives of others.) I imagine Solas might have a similar opinion on the matter.

 

As far as our actions as the Inquisitor - I think Solas will definitely have an opinion on what we do and will voice it. As to whether he will want us to save as many as we can, or whether his more logical approach will encourage us to do the same - i.e. letting a village die because keeping the stronghold will do more good in the long run- I cannot say at this point. What I imagine, and would like to see - is him encouraging us to look at all our options to find the best outcome - and questioning decisions that seem brash or based on emotion/ideology, etc - be it a decision based on compassion or selfishness.


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Guys! GUYS! I was going through the images on the Dragon age site, and found a pic with Solas in it, he's little, and it's from behind, but still! Anyway, not sure if it's new, or if it was missed, or maybe you guys did see it but it's just not in the OP... Figured I'd post it here just in case: (spoilered for size)
 

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Guys! GUYS! I was going through the images on the Dragon age site, and found a pic with Solas in it, he's little, and it's from behind, but still! Anyway, not sure if it's new, or if it was missed, or maybe you guys did see it but it's just not in the OP... Figured I'd post it here just in case: (spoilered for size)
 

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And thaaaaat's a lightsaber.


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And thaaaaat's a lightsaber.

 

Solas is the Inquisitor's father.  Mystery solved.


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Solas is the Inquisitor's father.  Mystery solved.

 

PACK UP BOYS, WE CAN ALL GO HOME.


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Just saw this in the Twitter thread and thought it was cute:

 

Jess Hara Campbell ‏@jharacampbell 

Hullo, Solas. I've missed you. What have you been up to since I've been gone? Oh, ok. Let's go fix up some bugs, shall we?#devwhotalkstonpcs


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Solas the Fade Jedi, semi-confirmed rumor.


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However, I'm hoping this insistence on neutrality does not extend to actions because there are some actions that cannot be considered as anything other than bad.   For example, that guy stealing away elf children and murdering them in DA2 (and whatever he did before killing them).    That was bad.    The man himself was clearly sick in the head and admitted that he would keep on doing it if left running around free.    It was also apparent that if returned to his father, the Magistrate, it wouldn't be long before he was loose again.    So invariably I did execute him but I never thought of him personally as evil but what he did as evil and that seemed the only reliable way of stopping it.

 

 

If Solas is the type to not quickly pass judgement on someone based on who or what they are - elf, spirit, whatever - that doesn't necessarily mean he wouldn't have opinions about the choices and actions of that same individual. If your elf Inquisitor murders a family of humans traveling on the road just because they are human, that probably wouldn't go over well. Or it shouldn't despite the fact you can probably hang them all by their entrails and companions will ignore it due to the random-encounter nature of games. :P