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[nikki-tikki]

I still think he should have told everyone. 

 

But then that "What up nerds" picture comes to mind...

[Cee]

I still think he should have told everyone. 

 

But then that "What up nerds" picture comes to mind...

 

 

I'm trying to plan out my Lavellan takes time to go visit her clan post-game fic and tries to spread this info because clearly, her vallaslin is gone. But I keep procrastinating on determining the full details and outlining it. There will be drama. Some really won't understand or believe, will think she's gone crazy, turned her back on her people.....in a sense, getting a little sense of maybe what he might have experienced. Only this will involve her family.

[Abelas Forever!]

I think it should matter to all Lavellans. All elves in general. Why should everyone else be parading around with slave markings on their face but only special Lavellan gets to know the truth. It would have been better if both genders were given the option. It would make more sense to Solas' character, even to a friend, that if he apposed slavery so much why wouldn't he want his friends to know...

I always thought that Solas was more closer to romanced Lavellan than to friend Lavellan so it makes sense that he could open up more to romanced Lavellan than to his friend. I think that because he was so in love with Lavellan he also become more closer to her even if he didn't want that. I believe that he can keep his distant with his friend but with his love he can't. I also think that the scene should be only to romanced Lavellans because in that scene you can see how much your Lavellan means to him.

[CapricornSun]

I'm trying to plan out my Lavellan takes time to go visit her clan post-game fic and tries to spread this info because clearly, her vallaslin is gone. But I keep procrastinating on determining the full details and outlining it. There will be drama. Some really won't understand or believe, will think she's gone crazy, turned her back on her people.....in a sense, getting a little sense of maybe what he might have experienced. Only this will involve her family.

 

I've been thinking on this too, since my Lavellan's clan is alive and well in my playthrough. And she also no longer has her vallaslin so I'm sure there will be some a lot of drama. Sweet, delicious drama...

[Cee]

I've been thinking on this too, since my Lavellan's clan is alive and well in my playthrough. And she also no longer has her vallaslin so I'm sure there will be some a lot of drama. Sweet, delicious drama...

 

Mine has two younger siblings and her sister basically idolized her before all of this and will react badly.

 

I'm also sending Dorian along with her since he's her best friend and naturally, sending a Tevinter necromancer to the Dalish won't cause any drama.

[Meer]

Regarding the vallaslin conversation: Solas never intended to tell even romanced Lavellan about the slave-markings. At least not initially. Certainly not at that juncture. We know now he wanted to share the truth about his identity with you. What he told you instead, about the vallaslin, may have been true but it was chosen because it held enough gravitas to justify the journey and his seeming solemnity. The reason he does not tell male Lavellan is because he never comes to this point with Solas. Also, I think it's important to consider the suggestion that this scene was gated so heavily so it could stand as something poignant and exclusive for the romance. The other scenes are nice, but none packs the same wallop that moment when his face changes does.

[Sable Rhapsody]

I've been thinking on this too, since my Lavellan's clan is alive and well in my playthrough. And she also no longer has her vallaslin so I'm sure there will be some a lot of drama. Sweet, delicious drama...

 

I think my Lavellan is going to put off going back to her clan for as long as possible.  Definitely after Jaws of Hakkon, maybe longer.

 

It's a little cowardly of her, but IMO the loss of the vallaslin isn't even the biggest issue.   It's a larger principle of not being able to go back home, and the vallaslin is just a little piece of that.  She's done more and seen more in the course of DA:I than most Dalish do in a lifetime.  Ancient elvhen notwithstanding, she probably knows more about the elves than anyone else.  My Lavellan still loves her clan and the Dalish, but I think it's going to take her time to come to grips with what role she can play among the Dalish, especially when the Inquisition is now the dominant force in her life.

[CapricornSun]

Mine has two younger siblings and her sister basically idolized her before all of this, followed in her path as a clan hunter, and will react very badly.

 

I'm also sending Dorian along with her since he's her best friend and naturally, sending a Tevinter necromancer to the Dalish won't cause any drama.

 

Mine has a a twin brother who is the Keeper's First so I'm not sure if he would be happy with his sister's decisions. (Especially when/if he finds out she was banging the Dread Wolf.  )

 

Speaking of the vallaslin, I've been wondering, how easy would it be to have them removed? I mean, Solas is a "god" and had them removed with his magic so would "normal" folks be able to remove them just as easily? 

[Cee]

I think my Lavellan is going to put off going back to her clan for as long as possible.  Definitely after Jaws of Hakkon, maybe longer.

 

It's a little cowardly of her, but IMO the loss of the vallaslin isn't even the biggest issue.   It's a larger principle of not being able to go back home, and the vallaslin is just a little piece of that.  She's done more and seen more in the course of DA:I than most Dalish do in a lifetime.  Ancient elvhen notwithstanding, she probably knows more about the elves than anyone else.  My Lavellan still loves her clan and the Dalish, but I think it's going to take her time to come to grips with what role she can play in that world now, especially when the Inquisition is now the dominant force in her life.

 

In my case, this is more or less her wanting to see her family after so long away, so it's a visit. She's still leading the Inquisition and has her duties elsewhere, but after  Corypheus is defeated, I'm giving her time to go and see them before she must return to her duties. Though the "Why don't you just come home? thing will come up.

 

I really need to outline all of this and put all of these thread s together somehow soon.

[Cee]

Mine has a a twin brother who is the Keeper's First so I'm not sure if he would be happy with his sister's decisions. (Especially when/if he finds out she was banging the Dread Wolf.  )

 

Speaking of the vallaslin, I've been wondering, how easy would it be to have them removed? I mean, Solas is a "god" and had them removed with his magic so would "normal" folks be able to remove them just as easily? 

 

Technically, how the origins are written, everyone you can conceivably choose from as a character went to the conclave, including the First....which is how I'll probably wind up writing it. They traveled together, only one survived, etc. But headcanons are always a great thing.

 

 

As for the vallaslin, I think knowledge of that spell may be able to be passed down, depending on what type of magic it involves. Though if it's a special thing, some mages may not be able to perform it.
 

[Illyria]

One of her threads was locked after it became super hostile, too, which I wonder if it had anything to do with it. I hope she's okay.

 

Yeah.  It was a shame because the use of the mighty whitey trope by Bioware in regards to the elves is very problematic.  But it just got taken over by trolls sprouting some pretty racist stuff.

[Sable Rhapsody]

In my case, this is more or less her wanting to see her family after so long away, so it's a visit. She's still leading the Inquisition and has her duties elsewhere, but after  Corypheus is defeated, I'm giving her time to go and see them before she must return to her duties. Though the "Why don't you just come home? thing will come up.

 

I think my Lavellan may do the reverse.  Have her close family visit her at Skyhold.  She'd be more comfortable with that than facing her whole clan again at once, and she's very tight with her family, so she would probably tell them the truth about everything.  They're the most likely to believe her crazy tale.

 

 

Speaking of the vallaslin, I've been wondering, how easy would it be to have them removed? I mean, Solas is a "god" and had them removed with his magic so would "normal" folks be able to remove them just as easily? 

 

The Black Emporium's mirror can remove or alter them.  But in-universe, that's magic too, coming from an old and poorly understood artifact.  And the vallaslin may have different properties from "normal" tattoos.  So... ?

[Illyria]

I think it should matter to all Lavellans. All elves in general. Why should everyone else be parading around with slave markings on their face but only special Lavellan gets to know the truth. It would have been better if both genders were given the option. It would make more sense to Solas' character, even to a friend, that if he apposed slavery so much why wouldn't he want his friends to know...

 

 

People tell friends and lovers different things, especially if the person you love is closest to you and thus someone you trust in a different way. It's not unrealistic. Plus, he's giving her that knowledge, which she could also disseminate. 

 

Could all Dalish benefit from that knowledge? Yes.  But it's a personal moment that's just for them, him giving the woman he loves a certain gift reflective of his highest values, and that's also okay.

 

I agree with Cee.  There is a difference between what people tell their friends and what they tell their lovers.  If there was more content unique to a Solavellan romance then I'd be okay with this revelatation being part of a friendship arc but the romance already gets very little content.  I'd hate to have the one thing we have to be taken away.

 

And I'm positive that the vallaslin thing will be covered in DLC.  Don't forget - it wasn't meant to be revealed in this game, except for by Corypheus during the endgame.  The only reason the revelation is in the game at all is because Solas is a romance.  Which is why I'm sure it was supposed to be foreshowed by Corypheus during the last battle before being picked up by an elven god focused DLC.

[Siha]

I can understand why.  This is clearly a subject she feels passionate about.   I hope she comes back at some point.

One of her threads was locked after it became super hostile, too, which I wonder if it had anything to do with it. I hope she's okay.

 
I don't know what threads you mean, but at least I'm glad she didn't only delete her account because nikki pointed out that Fenris wouldn't appreciate somebody to dedicate his vallaslin to him. That would have been quite the overreaction.
 

I agree with Cee.  There is a difference between what people tell their friends and what they tell their lovers.  If there was more content unique to a Solavellan romance then I'd be okay with this revelatation being part of a friendship arc but the romance already gets very little content.  I'd hate to have the one thing we have to be taken away.

You said this already a few times, but what's your opinion if you leave metagaming out of it? You say you could live with it, so you still wouldn't like it?

Imagine Solas were simply your good friend, who tells you how much he respects you and how deeply you impressed him with your actions (which only happens if you supported Solas and showed a sincere interest in his knowledge and opinions). It doesn't seem in character for Solas to keep this information secret. And it doesn't seem fair to such an inquisitor. I just think it isn't Solas to withhold information when somebody is open-minded and willing to learn. I can see how he might not actually remove the vallaslin from any but his lover's face. But telling the meaning, I think that's just something he would do.

Just my opinion/feeling though. Then again, I don't have these "greedy" feelings because I'm not a Solasmancer, maybe that accounts for the different point of view.

[BoscoBread]

 
I don't know what threads you mean, but at least I'm glad she didn't only delete her account because nikki pointed out that Fenris wouldn't appreciate somebody to dedicate his vallaslin to him. That would have been quite the overreaction.
 

You said this already a few times, but what's your opinion if you leave metagaming out of it? You say you could live with it, so you still wouldn't like it?

Imagine Solas were simply your good friend, who tells you how much he respects you and how deeply you impressed him with your actions (which only happens if you supported Solas and showed a sincere interest in his knowledge and opinions). It doesn't seem in character for Solas to keep this information secret. And it doesn't seem fair to such an inquisitor. I just think it isn't Solas to withhold information when somebody is open-minded and willing to learn. I can see how he might not actually remove the vallaslin from any but his lover's face. But telling the meaning, I think that's just something he would do.

Just my opinion/feeling though. Then again, I don't have these "greedy" feelings because I'm not a Solasmancer, maybe that accounts for the different point of view.

I agree with you Siha.  I think this is where we need to remove ourselves from RP-Lavellan and just look at the writing. I think it was a failure.  Really. It packs a wallop and is emotional but that wasn't Solas' intent to bring Lavellan out there. He did some quick thinking and it was worth it. 

 

It's a significant truth. One that every Lavellan should know about and it should have been addressed with them with care and compassion.  Even just a friendly one. I think the writers failed in doing that with non-Solas manced Inquisitors. 

[Illyria]

 
I don't know what threads you mean, but at least I'm glad she didn't only delete her account because nikki pointed out that Fenris wouldn't appreciate somebody to dedicate his vallaslin to him. That would have been quite the overreaction.
 

You said this already a few times, but what's your opinion if you leave metagaming out of it? You say you could live with it, so you still wouldn't like it?

Imagine Solas were simply your good friend, who tells you how much he respects you and how deeply you impressed him with your actions (which only happens if you supported Solas and showed a sincere interest in his knowledge and opinions). It doesn't seem in character for Solas to keep this information secret. And it doesn't seem fair to such an inquisitor. I just think it isn't Solas to withhold information when somebody is open-minded and willing to learn. I can see how he might not actually remove the vallaslin from any but his lover's face. But telling the meaning, I think that's just something he would do.

Just my opinion/feeling though. Then again, I don't have these "greedy" feelings because I'm not a Solasmancer, maybe that accounts for the different point of view.

 

It was a thread on the mighty whitey trope in Dragon Age which she brought up here a few days ago.  It raised some very good points but got taken over by trolls very quickly. 

 

Well... you're a Cullenmancer, right?  How much would you want other characters to have access to his romance scenes?  It is possibly me being greedy, like you said, but it's an easy feeling to get when it comes to the romances.  The whole point of them is to experience content that you'd otherwise never get.  Sometimes this isn't handled in the best way (*glares at ME2 and only letting m!Shep Jackmancers get her full backstory*) but sometimes its handled really well (the different dialouge and motives that Alistair and Morrigan romancers have for the Dark Ritual and Landsmeet portions of the game, for example).

 

EDIT: Maybe if I wasn't a Solasmancer I would feel differently.  In fact, I probably would.  But I don't think it's out of character for Solas to keep this information for his girlfriend.

[Cee]

I don't think it's a greedy perspective. As I've maintained, people do and say different things to even close friends versus lovers. My closest friend, we can tell each other pretty much anything and we have been close for many years, would be there for one another in need. He drove to the hospital to visit me in a dream sports car he rented for only a weekend, and helped me move, but I don't expect that he would tell me 100% of the things he tells his fiancee.

[freelovefreeway]

 

 

 

Unrelated to Solas but does anyone know what happened to Faerunner?  I was looking through yesterday's posts for the stuff I wanted to reply to and her account is now guest_faerunner o.O

 

No idea why she's actually gone or if other stuff went into her decision, but the posts directed against her in this thread were absolutely hostile and unwelcome.

 

I try to stay out of off topic stuff like that (and this--especially this because aggressive posts are the worst and that's probably what this is going to turn into) so I didn't comment, but I was pretty much appalled. All I ever saw her doing was defend herself as people jumped on her. Her headcanon was insulted and disregarded by people saying Fenris' thoughts on the matter of the color of her elf's vallaslin should matter more than her elf's thoughts on it. When she defended herself by saying that her character wouldn't have known what Fenris thought (not even being hostile enough towards anyone to point out that no one here actually does either), her character was insulted by saying the character should have found a way to take it into account.

 

I think the fact that there were a couple lines from Fae Runner implying Fenris wasn't perfect made everyone feel like they had the right to insult her character. Not that it's on topic for the Solas thread, but I understand the need to defend a character you like (not that Fae Runner pulled Fenris into the conversation in a negative way). What shouldn't be done (in a fair argument) is to pit one headcannon against someone else's headcannon, and then discount the other side because the other side is just making stuff up. Debating theories is fun, but it breaks down if people forget the theories they believe in aren't fact.

 

On topic...

I think Solas should have offered the vallaslin removal for everyone. I'm okay with it only being for romanceables because he wasn't planning on it, but, if he had planned on it--and I know it doesn't matter because he didn't, I think it makes sense for his character to have given the choice to all inquisitors he held deep respect for.

 

 

And I'm positive that the vallaslin thing will be covered in DLC.  Don't forget - it wasn't meant to be revealed in this game, except for by Corypheus during the endgame.  The only reason the revelation is in the game at all is because Solas is a romance.  Which is why I'm sure it was supposed to be foreshowed by Corypheus during the last battle before being picked up by an elven god focused DLC.

 

I don't know that I believe this, but it's a wonderful, wonderful thought, and I'm going to try to make myself believe it.

[Meer]

It's a significant truth. One that every Lavellan should know about and it should have been addressed with them with care and compassion.  Even just a friendly one. I think the writers failed in doing that with non-Solas manced Inquisitors. 

 

I agree. Though I understand why the  scene at the grove played out as it did, from a story-telling perspective it was poorly done. The necessary subtext to understand the scene as intended is sparse. It never occurred to me before Mr. Weekes mentioned it that Solas meant to tell us something other than the vallaslin reveal. From the way it is presented in game, Solas might actually seem to care more for a romanced Inquisitor than a friendly one; it says something a touch negative about the character that a woman he loves deserves to know more about something of such cultural importance than one he deeply respected. And that was certainly not the intention of Mr. Weekes, who wished to show how sincerely important the Inquisition was to Solas. I'm going to chalk it all up to a budget/writing failure and call it a day.

[Sable Rhapsody]

It's a significant truth. One that every Lavellan should know about and it should have been addressed with them with care and compassion.  Even just a friendly one. I think the writers failed in doing that with non-Solas manced Inquisitors. 

 

I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with the romance for any character having unique content, as long as that difference in content doesn't stunt the character development and leave the impression that the character ONLY develops as a result of the romance.  (For example, the difference between, say, Tali's ME2 arc and Jack's.)  

 

Solas for me is a bit of a middle zone.  I don't think the vallaslin thing is essential to understanding his character, and I don't think his development suffers unduly in a friendship, even with a non-Lavellan Inquisitor.  But it would have been nice to have, and we might still get it in DLC.

 

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[Illyria]

I agree. Though I understand why the  scene at the grove played out as it did, from a story-telling perspective it was poorly done. The necessary subtext to understand the scene as intended is sparse. It never occurred to me before Mr. Weekes mentioned it that Solas meant to tell us something other than the vallaslin reveal. From the way it is presented in game, Solas might actually seem to care more for a romanced Inquisitor than a friendly one; it says something a touch negative about the character that a woman he loves deserves to know more about something of such cultural importance than one he deeply respected. And that was certainly not the intention of Mr. Weekes, who wished to show how sincerely important the Inquisition was to Solas. I'm going to chalk it all up to a budget/writing failure and call it a day.

 

'Budget failure' can describe a lot of what's wrong with DAI (I love this game, I really do, but it could've been so much better than it was).

 

Is that Corypheus Goes To The Deli in your avatar?

[Giton]

I agree with you Siha.  I think this is where we need to remove ourselves from RP-Lavellan and just look at the writing. I think it was a failure.  Really. It packs a wallop and is emotional but that wasn't Solas' intent to bring Lavellan out there. He did some quick thinking and it was worth it. 

 

It's a significant truth. One that every Lavellan should know about and it should have been addressed with them with care and compassion.  Even just a friendly one. I think the writers failed in doing that with non-Solas manced Inquisitors. 

 

 

 
I don't know what threads you mean, but at least I'm glad she didn't only delete her account because nikki pointed out that Fenris wouldn't appreciate somebody to dedicate his vallaslin to him. That would have been quite the overreaction.
 

You said this already a few times, but what's your opinion if you leave metagaming out of it? You say you could live with it, so you still wouldn't like it?

Imagine Solas were simply your good friend, who tells you how much he respects you and how deeply you impressed him with your actions (which only happens if you supported Solas and showed a sincere interest in his knowledge and opinions). It doesn't seem in character for Solas to keep this information secret. And it doesn't seem fair to such an inquisitor. I just think it isn't Solas to withhold information when somebody is open-minded and willing to learn. I can see how he might not actually remove the vallaslin from any but his lover's face. But telling the meaning, I think that's just something he would do.

Just my opinion/feeling though. Then again, I don't have these "greedy" feelings because I'm not a Solasmancer, maybe that accounts for the different point of view.

Agreed. I really wanted the friendship with Levellan to evoke that sort of response. I don't think of the friendship of any less meaningful as the romance, and leaving this out . . .  honestly leaves a sour taste in my mouth.

 

At least Cory did you solid.

[Siha]

I agree with you Siha.  I think this is where we need to remove ourselves from RP-Lavellan and just look at the writing. I think it was a failure.  Really. It packs a wallop and is emotional but that wasn't Solas' intent to bring Lavellan out there. He did some quick thinking and it was worth it. 

 

It's a significant truth. One that every Lavellan should know about and it should have been addressed with them with care and compassion.  Even just a friendly one. I think the writers failed in doing that with non-Solas manced Inquisitors. 

 

I don't know about the writers. I tend to agree with you. Then again, for the mind-gaming fun, let's assume they didn't mess up but wanted it just like that. Then we have a completely different Solas. One who doesn't actually care so much about truth and self-determination, but who shares information in small doses only, and only if it suits him and/or furthers his plans. And one who uses knowledge as a reward (positive reinforcement hurray) or consolation prize. I do not believe it is the intention, but it does add a very intriguing dimension (considering I'm a sucker for fatalism and twists), whole new possibilities for Mephistopheles villainy.

 

Oh god, now I want to photoshop a Mephisto Solas. But I won't, I can control myself.

 

 

Well... you're a Cullenmancer, right?  How much would you want other characters to have access to his romance scenes?  It is possibly me being greedy, like you said, but it's an easy feeling to get when it comes to the romances.  The whole point of them is to experience content that you'd otherwise never get.

 

I'm not sure what you mean. If Cullen also kissed non-romanced players or had sex with them on the desk? That would be weird, I guess. Or that he takes them to the lake and tells them about his family and the coin? That would be alright for me. The loving feeling is the only thing I would wish to be exclusive in a relationship. Opening to people or sharing knowledge is okay for me even toward friends. My man isn't my property after all.

 

I said "greedy" in "" because I didn't find a better word. I would have omitted the "" if I had meant greedy in the pure meaning of the word. I didn't mean to offend, I just didn't know how to get your "I wouldn't mind if it weren't the only exclusive romance content we get" in a single word.

 

But I also never liked that it was necessary to romance a character to learn about him (and, in fact, BW promised before the release that they wouldn't do this in DAI). Like I hate that I will never learn about Josie's arranged marriage. Why not? There would have been a thousand ways to do it. Romance content should be love content and not information... but that's my personal feeling, I am aware others see this differently.

 

but I don't expect that he would tell me 100% of the things he tells his fiancee.

 

No, not 100%. Not about his previous lovers, what he likes in bed, that he cheated on somebody or whatever intimate things. But what the tattoos in your face mean when he knows that you think they have a different meaning and that you care deeply about recovering your people's lost civilization? I think that's something different... I would be so hurt if my "good friend" withheld this information. It would show that he never really cared about me much.

[freelovefreeway]

I agree with you Siha.  I think this is where we need to remove ourselves from RP-Lavellan and just look at the writing. I think it was a failure.  Really. It packs a wallop and is emotional but that wasn't Solas' intent to bring Lavellan out there. He did some quick thinking and it was worth it. 

 

It's a significant truth. One that every Lavellan should know about and it should have been addressed with them with care and compassion.  Even just a friendly one. I think the writers failed in doing that with non-Solas manced Inquisitors. 

 

Okay, so maybe it was actually a good subtlety in the writing that came together really well. It was a unique romance scene that was needed, but ended up being perfect for all Dalish inquisitors. The fact that he didn't intend to say it gives him the out of not saying it to his friends/people he respects without diminishing those relationships.

 

Maybe he didn't think of it (or thought it would be rejected--he admits it was selfish to tell her) or had reservations about it (it's pushing what he knows/knows how to do too much), so it wasn't worth it until he needed something else to say to a romanced inquisitor.

 

Whatever the reasons, I think the "not the plan" excuse leaves room for a just-a-friend inquisitor to not be offended and to think he would have if he could have while also giving the romanced inquisitors something that is just theirs.

[Meer]

'Budget failure' can describe a lot of what's wrong with DAI (I love this game, I really do, but it could've been so much better than it was).

 

Is that Corypheus Goes To The Deli in your avatar?

 

Double indeed. Scott is my baby. I bestowed him with not only his name but his heroically gleaming braces as well. Like some cruel Greek goddess. Then Liz drew him super cute and here we are, haha.