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[Illyria]

Same.  Yes. Lovers share special things. But I don't see how such a big cultural truth should be held special only for a romanced Lavellan. There could have been something else.  I don't know what, I'm not the writer. But it could have been something else. Again this romance was written in a weekend.  It's amazing that in such a short amount of time it was so affecting, but it was still written and implemented in a very short amount of time.  That may have been something that I would argue was not given a great amount of thought.

 

Also, me stating this, does not take away from the fact that it was a very lovely and emotional scene. It is. It is. But it could have been emotional and lovely for all Lavellans. 

 

I think a lot of our arguments about this (although I dislike using that word because this is a very pleasnt debate) comes from whether or not your view this reveal as being nessessary.  What Solas is revealing is not the most pleasnt thing.  It's not something a lot of Dalish are going to want to hear (*insert WHAT UP NERDS image here*).  The markings now mean freedom.  Despite the fact that every clan is different they have this one thing in common.  Solas tells his girlfriend because it's important to him that the woman he loves has the choice to choose whether or not she keeps the vallaslin.  A friend doesn't get this for many reasons.  Solas may not feel comfortable telling them something that so utterly destorys everything they've been raised to believe.  It may just simply be because Solas doesn't care about them as much.

[Cee]

I am out of likes and it's not even 4 here. Booo quota system.

[Sable Rhapsody]

I prefer the unique romance scenes DA gives us. On replays seeing a certain scene so similar but with different dialogue (as mentioned, Garrus date/bro-date scene) is incredibly jarring for me, and it loses a lot of the appeal. Having something there that unlocks something I didn't know about the character I'm romancing or the character I'm playing makes it special.

 

Shoo, all of you, and let me keep my scenes.

 

See, I'm ok with either approach (sharing scenes or unique scenes for romance) as long as it's well-done.  I played ME3 with FemShep who romanced Garrus, and ManShep who bromanced everyone  And I felt like the two arcs with Garrus were sufficiently different in dialogue and VA to be worth replaying, even if a lot of the settings and cinematics were the same.

 

Generally speaking, I thought DA:I did a rather good job of making the unique scenes work for the romance without losing out on the friendship elements.  The two characters who suffered the most in this respect were probably the romanceable advisors, Cullen and Josephine.  I don't feel like I lost out on their character development, but just by virtue of them being advisors and not companions, not romancing them nets less content overall.

[nikki-tikki]

I like to think of Solas and the trying to teach Dalish clans the truth more like this...
 

Trying to live among Dalish after thousands of years must have been difficult...

[Abelas Forever!]

You do get an awesome tango scene, though.  A non-romanced Shepard plays wingman for him.

It's true. For me the first date with Garrus felt very special because I thought that he wanted to go shooting just with me but then on my second playthrough I noticed that he wanted go shooting with everybody and the first date didn't feel that special anymore.

[Giton]

 

Maybe the question shouldn't be "Why would he tell a romanced Lavellan but not a respected Lavellan?" but instead be "Why wouldn't he tell anyone at all?" because I don't believe he ever intended to tell her.

The game, as it presents the information, makes it meaningful.

 

We only know Solas's intent because his writer told us--it is not explicit in game. You can make an argument that it is implicit, but in-game, Solas's intent in that scene remains ambiguous.

 

So, what we have, at base, is information that would be meaningful to all Lavellans only presented to a specific one.

 

"Why wouldn't he tell anyone at all?" Are we talking about the character or the game? The game wants us to know this information, or at least construe it as meaningful. Solas's intent, as a character, is cloudy. And I would caution arguing from only what we have in game. Personally, from what I have gleaned about his character, if he intended not to share this information--I would find that problematic. He withholds information and choice. That seems out of character. For me.

[Sable Rhapsody]

It's true. For me the first date with Garrus felt very special because I thought that he wanted to go shooting just with me but then on my second playthrough I noticed that he wanted go shooting with everybody and the first date didn't feel that special anymore.

 

It's Garrus, he loves to shoot  Bottles, mercs, classy antiques...

[legbamel]

I prefer the unique romance scenes DA gives us. On replays seeing a certain scene so similar but with different dialogue (as mentioned, Garrus date/bro-date scene) is incredibly jarring for me, and it loses a lot of the appeal. Having something there that unlocks something I didn't know about the character I'm romancing or the character I'm playing makes it special.
 
Shoo, all of you, and let me keep my scenes.
 
Edit: Basically, what I'm saying is, if every Lavellan got the vallaslin removal/reveal in the same way as the romance, then what would the romance scene have unique to them? A bitter breakup? I don't think I'd like the character anymore if that's all we had.

I like having unique romance scenes, I object to it being that scene. I think the conversation should have been more about him and/or them and the Elven history available to all Dalish Inquisitors.

[Illyria]

I like to think of Solas and the trying to teach Dalish clans the truth more like this...

https://youtu.be/hBMc9s8oDWE

Trying to live among Dalish after thousands of years must have been difficult...

 

'You don't know what that means' could be Solas' catchphrase.

[Sable Rhapsody]

'You don't know what that means' could be Solas' catchphrase.

 

Or Mythal's.  Or Corypheus's.

 

Well, maybe one of you ancient fancy dancy people could flipping TELL me what it means 

[Armdin]

See, I'm ok with either approach (sharing scenes or unique scenes for romance) as long as it's well-done.  I played ME3 with FemShep who romanced Garrus, and ManShep who bromanced everyone  And I felt like the two arcs with Garrus were sufficiently different in dialogue and VA to be worth replaying, even if a lot of the settings and cinematics were the same.

 

I think what I didn't like about it was it essentially boiled down to same-dude-BUT-I'M-BANGING-HIM!... In regards to Garrus. If it was the same for Solas... we couldn't even get the last part definitively because that's down to your own headcanons whether or not Lavellan and Solas bang!

 

It'd be more, "Well, that sucked, 2 kisses and a gutpunching breakup?..... Hey Cullen! How ya doin', buddy! You seeing anyone?!"

[Sable Rhapsody]

Hey Cullen! How ya doin', buddy! You seeing anyone?!"

 

Poor noodle.  The default rebound 

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

It's true. For me the first date with Garrus felt very special because I thought that he wanted to go shooting just with me but then on my second playthrough I noticed that he wanted go shooting with everybody and the first date didn't feel that special anymore.

But we shakarians still get the dip!kiss, though...  Its a difference worth mentioning. lol

[Sable Rhapsody]

I think what I didn't like about it was it essentially boiled down to same-dude-BUT-I'M-BANGING-HIM!... In regards to Garrus.

 

And that's what I liked about it  He didn't feel like a different person the way, say, Jack or Thane did in their ME2 friendships vs. romance.  So it didn't feel like I had to romance Garrus to trigger his character development.  That might just be a weird tic of mine, though, and we all have different romance preferences 

[Armdin]

Poor noodle.  The default rebound 

 

Well I'd ask Dorian, but my poor girl would need some serious surgery to even be considered. Also Blackwall's dead by that point.

[Sifr]

I still think he should have told everyone. 

 

But then that "What up nerds" picture comes to mind...

 

Or left behind some kind of note;

 

"By the way, I'm Fen'Harel and you're wearing slave markings on your face... just a heads up"

 

[Sable Rhapsody]

Well I'd ask Dorian, but my poor girl would need some serious surgery to even be considered. Also Blackwall's dead by that point.

 

You can't actually kill Blackwall, right?  You can leave him at the mercy of the Orlesians, but he doesn't die on-screen or anything.

[MerricksMom]

It's true. For me the first date with Garrus felt very special because I thought that he wanted to go shooting just with me but then on my second playthrough I noticed that he wanted go shooting with everybody and the first date didn't feel that special anymore.

But when romanced you get a very romantic kiss with him at the end of shooting.

[Armdin]

But we shakarians still get the dip!kiss, though...  Its a difference worth mentioning. lol

 

dip!kiss...

 

Dear Diary,

 

Today I realized I'm forgetting scenes from the Garrus romance. It's been too long.

I leave all I own to my cat, Guppy.

I'll be back in about 60 hours.

 

Hugs and kisses, Armdin.

[Armdin]

You can't actually kill Blackwall, right?  You can leave him at the mercy of the Orlesians, but he doesn't die on-screen or anything.

 

You're right. I assume he's dead by that point, but chances are if a DLC/DA4/5/6/etc. decides to bring him back for whatever reason they've got wiggle room for those who left him behind.

[Sable Rhapsody]

dip!kiss...

 

Dear Diary,

 

Today I realized I'm forgetting scenes from the Garrus romance. It's been too long.

 

I leave all I own to my cat, Guppy.

 

I'll be back in about 60 hours.

 

Hugs and kisses, Armdin.

 

I feel you.  I'm on a huge nostalgia kick right now for ME2.  The suicide mission music never fails to send epic chills down my spine.

 

Also, for cat named Guppy.

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

Poor noodle.  The default rebound 

Honestly have a headcanon that Cullen is in love with Trevelyan/Lavellan regardless if she romances him or not. Cus you can still choose all the flirts with him in the chess match, the lyrium addiction scene, etc, even when you haven't actually engaged in a romance with him and are even actively with someone else. And he's cool with initiating a romance with you even in the last act of the game. And he even says he's wanted to kiss you for "longer than he'd like to admit." when you finally do.

 

This headcanon honestly makes me feel a bit bad for him in my non-cullenmancing playthroughs. lol

 

Or left behind some kind of note;

 

"By the way, I'm Fen'Harel and you're wearing slave markings on your face... just a heads up"

 

"Also, it was my orb that did the Thing."

[Armdin]

Also, for cat named Guppy.

 

Confession: I don't actually own a cat, nevermind a Guppy. I ninja'd that from Binding of Isaac. ;P
(If I had a cat, it would be a Guppy though.)

[Cee]

Poor noodle.  The default rebound 

 

He's actually the only one I still had any heart options with after the breakup. But it goes nowhere. I did it out of curiosity and loaded. He just talks about hearing you were seeing someone and then the option repeats to its dead end loop.

[Abelas Forever!]

But when romanced you get a very romantic kiss with him at the end of shooting.

I know and I liked it very much. I don't mind if the friendship path and romance path don't differ that much but that particular date was different because I thought that it was only for romanced Shepard and it made me feel special but then I realized that Garrus wanted to go shooting with all the Shepards..