Yes. This. I still fail to see how killing a double agent, a direct threat to the Inquisition's security, should harden Leliana to the point of "I will kill anyone who gets in my way!!!"
Because this is Thedas. And in Thedas playas play for keeps.
(I don't get it either. She swings so wildly. She needs some mood balancers and a good therapist. Or a position of power. That works too.)
And Iron Bull barely reacts to the flirting. It's almost like normal dialogue.
And flirting with Bull, he barely reacts to it as flirting. It's like almost like normal dialogue.
Sorry but: hahaha. That was really important for you, huh? 
Yes. This. I still fail to see how killing a double agent, a direct threat to the Inquisition's security, should harden Leliana to the point of "I will kill anyone who gets in my way!!!"
Because she is insane.
However, he shouldn't die before I could question him about the people he reports to. It's a plain waste to kill him right away.
The only Leliana worth keeping in my opinion, as long as she doesn't become divine...she's better at her job that way.
Lol, I like hardened!Leliana as Divine. The three options probably won't wind up mattering a huge amount in the long run, but there is something tremendously karmic about forcing the Chantry to change or die.
Sorry but: hahaha. That was really important for you, huh?
Because she is insane.
However, he shouldn't die before I could question him about the people he reports to. It's a plain waste to kill him right away.
I do like the fact that the 'keep him alive' option offers some choices for a pragmatic!Inquisitor and not just a sunshine and rainbows one. My Lavellan has a good heart and believes in not killing whenever possible, but her reasons for telling Leliana not to kill the guy were (to paraphrase) 'you suck at your job.' She couldn't believe she was the one having to tell the spymaster that keeping him alive was more useful than immediate ragekill.
Because he's a spirit. Solas perfers spirits to people. Cole becoming more human doesn't change the fact that he's a spirit.
And the vallaslin thing isn't just imformation. It's taking away one of the most important cultural things about the Dalish.
But if it's so important wouldn't he be more obligated to tell them?
What if you're friend got a tattoo of Chinese letters before a trip to China that they thought meant "Love" but really said "I like poop." If you knew what it really said and there was time to fix it, wouldn't you want them to know? If you were their friend?
Lame example...but I think if someone who knew didn't tell me in that situation I would be extremely upset.
However, he shouldn't die before I could question him about the people he reports to. It's a plain waste to kill him right away.
Hehe I always pick that option. The alternative "But ZOMG killing is wronggggg" seems a bit silly given that's what the inquisitor does for a living 
But if it's so important wouldn't he be more obligated to tell them?
What if you're friend got a tattoo of Chinese letters before a trip to China that they thought meant "Love" but really said "I like poop." If you knew what it really said and there was time to fix it, wouldn't you want them to know? If you were their friend?
Lame example...but I think if someone who knew didn't tell me in that situation I would be extremely upset.
Maybe if I had many friends who all got tattoos actually saying "I like poop", but any time I told them about it they'd bite my head off and cuss me out... I'd be wary about the next friend who got one and maybe expect them to do their damn research before getting it.
Actually it's an awesome example. xD I love it.
But if it's so important wouldn't he be more obligated to tell them?
What if you're friend got a tattoo of Chinese letters before a trip to China that they thought meant "Love" but really said "I like poop." If you knew what it really said and there was time to fix it, wouldn't you want them to know? If you were their friend?
Lame example...but I think if someone who knew didn't tell me in that situation I would be extremely upset.
Telling people their tattoo proclaims their love of faecal matter to the world isn't quite the same as destorying their culture.
Hehe I always pick that option. The alternative "But ZOMG killing is wronggggg" seems a bit silly given that's what the inquisitor does for a living
Totes agree, but I never let Solas kill the mages, so I like being consistent. No ragekilling double agent, no ragekilling arsehole noble, no ragekilling ignorant mages. There! Now nobody's happy!
But if the argument of friend vs lover is the reason why Solas withholds info from a friendquiz and tells romanced Lavellan more....shouldn't he tell her everything he tells Cole? Girlfriend has the right to know.
I don't think that Solas and Cole ever actually had a dicussion where he revealed it to him, they didn't need to. Remember what Cole says about Blackwall during the conversation after his personal quest, where he asks if Cole is angry at him hiding he who was, only for Cole to reply, "You never hid from me"
Cole always knew that Blackwall was Thom Rainier, like he always knew that Solas is Fen'Harel.
I think that's why Solas and Cole are able to have those kinds of weird, inside, no-context conversations that we see throughout the game, since they're communicating on a level that everyone else lacks? It's also probably why Solas enjoys the company of Spirits to people, since they are the few friends of his that he's capable of being truly himself around and doesn't have to hide anything from, because they know what goes on in his head already?
*wanders iinto Feedback and Suggestions*
*sees a thread about how Bioware isn't catering to female players by including too many women in powerful positions and not enough eyecandy men*
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Nope. Got nothing.
*settles back down in the blanket fort*
Lol, I like hardened!Leliana as Divine. The three options probably won't wind up mattering a huge amount in the long run, but there is something tremendously karmic about forcing the Chantry to change or die.
Telling people their tattoo proclaims their love of faecal matter to the world isn't quite the same as destorying their culture.
This information does not destroy their culture. It is a facet of it. You can take this information into account, and decide that the vallaslin now means something different and the tradition is worth preserving. Many are arguing that Solas can't trust a Lavellan because it would destroy them or he can't trust them One of Solas's big problems is his tendancy to decide other's reactions ahead of time and doing what he thinks is best. That is a bit prescriptive. And prideful.
But they had to spend all their resources on the
damnshards
Hey! I love shards! Shards are awesome! But yeah, they have indeed spent all their resources on shards, unlike some other more interesting and needed stuffs like, I don't know, hairstyles?
Honestly have a headcanon that Cullen is in love with Trevelyan/Lavellan regardless if she romances him or not. Cus you can still choose all the flirts with him in the chess match, the lyrium addiction scene, etc, even when you haven't actually engaged in a romance with him and are even actively with someone else. And he's cool with initiating a romance with you even in the last act of the game. And he even says he's wanted to kiss you for "longer than he'd like to admit." when you finally do.
I have the same headcanon (and I think it can pretty easily be defined as the real canon), and it makes me uncomfortable as HELL.
The guy DOESN'T know my Lavellan, they never talked about who they are, what they believe in, anything that matters at all to define what kind of person my Lavellan would be, and yet he has this persistent high school crush on my Lavellan that looks rather shallow and just makes my skin crawl. One of the reasons I don't particularly enjoy my Cullenmance playthrough.
Would be more entertaining that Mayweather v Pacquiao.
Never heard of that tremendous event from my little old Orlais, and when I did, it looked boring as fuck. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Totes agree, but I never let Solas kill the mages, so I like being consistent. No ragekilling double agent, no ragekilling arsehole noble, no ragekilling ignorant mages. There! Now nobody's happy!
Hehe, I always kill those mages. They're too stupid and dangerous to be left wandering around, getting into trouble. If there were a recruit option, I would have taken it and put them under Vivienne/Cullen's watchful eye. But since we don't have that choice...
I don't have a problem with Leliana killing the double agent. I have a problem with Leliana killing the double agent without extracting as much information as she can out of him.
I have the same headcanon (and I think it can pretty easily be defined as the real canon), and it makes me unease as HELL.The guy DOESN'T know my Lavellan, they never talked about who they are, what they believe in, anything that matters at all to define what kind of person my Lavellan would be, and yet he has this persistent high school crush on my Lavellan that looks rather shallow and just makes my skin crawl. One of the reasons I don't particularly enjoy my Cullenmance playthrough.
How to make it worse:
Import a Surana worldstate.
How to make it even worse:
Import a Surana/Leliana worldstate.
Yes, this is my Cullenmance worldstate. Luckily I'm using a Trev for him. He'll just have to pretend she's got a pair of pointy ears and red hair.
Omg the chantry is incompetent. I pray I get my softened!Leliana as Divine. She'll bring about big change just like Briala's puppet rule :3
If I had to pick the candidates who I felt would bring about stable rule AND peaceful-ish change, I'd go for Cass + Bright Hand mages, and Celene + Briala for Orlais. But Thedas manages to wreck itself anyway every few years, so things like hardened!Leliana as Divine and forcing all three players in Orlais to make nice just make me happy and giddy inside 
Maybe if I had many friends who all got tattoos actually saying "I like poop", but any time I told them about it they'd bite my head off and cuss me out... I'd be wary about the next friend who got one and maybe expect them to do their damn research before getting it.
Actually it's an awesome example. xD I love it.
Well technically Lavellan can deny it and become angry at what he tells her (reasonable enough.)
Telling people their tattoo proclaims their love of faecal matter to the world isn't quite the same as destorying their culture.
It was an analogy with similar principles. Parading around town with a faulty tattoo is embarrasing. Especially around people who know what it actually means. Is the dignity of the Dalish worth that much to Solas? You're saying no. I disagree. He locked up the other gods to potentially free the elven people. I think He should care that the Dalish are ignorantly tramping around with slave markings on their faces.
We could argue that the elves destroyed their own culture, but if telling someone willing to listen could change that, why should he refrain from telling them? Especially if the Inquisitor can use their special Dalish influence to help elves of Thedas.
Telling people their tattoo proclaims their love of faecal matter to the world isn't quite the same as destorying their culture.
How is it destroying their culture? My interpretation of that scene is SO DIFFERENT. He tells you because he respects and cares for you. Whether or not the knowledge of the origins of your dalish tattoos "destroys your culture" is up to Lavellan. he just wants you to know. The Dalish are more than the facial tattoos.
I figured you were being hyperbolic, much like Nikki was but her point still remains. I do have friends that I care for deeply. I would say almost as deeply as I do for my bf...OF A DECADE. I tell them EVERYTHING. Just because I don't sleep with them doesn't mean I don't love them or respect them. And you better believe if I had to tell them a harsh truth, I would. I would do so with compassion and care, but I also see that friend responding in kind. They may not agree or they may not see it as I do, but I did my job as friend. I see Solas much the same way.
Hehe, I always kill those mages. They're too stupid and dangerous to be left wandering around, getting into trouble. If there were a recruit option, I would have taken it and put them under Vivienne/Cullen's watchful eye. But since we don't have that choice...
I don't have a problem with Leliana killing the double agent. I have a problem with Leliana killing the double agent without extracting as much information as she can out of him.
I wanted to put them on trial. The Inquisition is meant to be all and I wanted to show this. I wanted to show the world I considered spirits to have the same rights as people!
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I don't think that Solas and Cole ever actually had a dicussion where he revealed it to him, they didn't need to. Remember what Cole says about Blackwall during the conversation after his personal quest, where he asks if Cole is angry at him hiding he who was, only for Cole to reply, "You never hid from me"
Cole always knew that Blackwall was Thom Rainier, like he always knew that Solas is Fen'Harel.
I think that's why Solas and Cole are able to have those kinds of weird, inside, no-context conversations that we see throughout the game, since they're communicating on a level that everyone else lacks? It's also probably why Solas enjoys the company of Spirits to people, since they are the few friends of his that he's capable of being truly himself around and doesn't have to hide anything from, because they know what goes on in his head already?
But Solas can hide information from Cole if he wishes. He chooses not to, that was my point.
They aren't. This is a perfectly fine debate. People aren't being antagonistic. They are stating their view points reasonably and backing them up. There is no snark. No anger.
What ends up happening when somebody comes in and starts saying "Stop FIGHTING", it starts to create a tense atmosphere in which one didn't exist. Friends debate. I disagree with mine, not on the regular, but it happens and noone starts screaming "MAKE IT STOP". We state our opinions. Someone may concede because they learn something new or we are just like 'welp that's an opinion'. That's all this is.
This is the level headed kind of debate that we should always try to have, yes. In defense of Sunnie, though, it's possible she wasn't referring to this debate but earlier stuff. In that case, she was just trying to diffuse tensions she thought were present (while unknowingly causing more for others). We all just react differently to it all.
Anyway, I'm still in the camp of thinking Solas wouldn't have told anyone about the vallaslin if he hadn't cornered himself and that the respect he gives an unromanced inquisitor shouldn't be underestimated (and that he's withheld enough other valuable information--including stuff that we don't know because bioware hasn't told us yet) that him withholding information is in character.
But I will grant the other side (one of the other sides? are there like four sides to this right now?) that post break-up he does say, "You saw more than most," when it comes to his mask.
Well technically Lavellan can deny it and become angry at what he tells her (reasonable enough.)
It was an analogy with similar principles. Parading around town with a faulty tattoo is embarrasing. Especially around people who know what it actually means. Is the dignity of the Dalish worth that much to Solas? You're saying no. I disagree. He locked up the other gods to potentially free the elven people. I think He should care that the Dalish are ignorantly tramping around with slave markings on their faces.
We could argue that the elves destroyed their own culture, but if telling someone willing to listen could change that, why should he refrain from telling them? Especially if the Inquisitor can use their special Dalish influence to help elves of Thedas.
How is it destroying their culture? My interpretation of that scene is SO DIFFERENT. He tells you because he respects and cares for you. Whether or not the knowledge of the origins of your dalish tattoos "destroys your culture" is up to Lavellan. he just wants you to know. The Dalish are more than the facial tattoos.
I figured you were being hyperbolic, much like Nikki was but her point still remains. I do have friends that I care for deeply. I would say almost as deeply as I do for my bf...OF A DECADE. I tell them EVERYTHING. Just because I don't sleep with them doesn't mean I don't love them or respect them. And you better believe if I had to tell them a harsh truth, I would. I would do so with compassion and care, but I also see that friend responding in kind. They may not agree or they may not see it as I do, but I did my job as friend. I see Solas much the same way.
Like I said, I have a lot of thoughts on the matter and I'm still working through them. So... not everything is being expressed as well as I could be expressing it (in particular the sentence I just wrote). I'm pretty much typing my thoughts as I think them.
I think we need to remember that even if a romanced Lavellan reacts really badly and rejects Solas' removal, he still loves her. The romance still goes on for the few moments before he freaks out and backpedals himself into orbit.
Even if a friend also reacts badly, I don't think it would destroy his relationship with them.
I think we need to remember that even if a romanced Lavellan reacts really badly and rejects Solas' removal, he still loves her. The romance still goes on for the few moments before he freaks out and backpedals himself into orbit.
Even if a friend also reacts badly, I don't think it would destroy his relationship with them.
Agreed. I think he would understand that the truth about the vallaslin is a big deal, and he would know a friendly/romance Inquisitor well enough not to take any outbursts personally.
Like I said earlier, though, Solas's story isn't finished. I think he talks about elves and elvhen culture immediately with Lavellan, and other quizzies only get that hub later on. It might be the same scenario with the vallaslin. Or if it isn't, feedback from us might convince them to add the vallaslin talk for a non-romanced Lavellan even if it wasn't the original plan.
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