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Anyone have any theories on that codex entry, by the way?

 

There has been lorecrafting done on that codex entry. I don't know if you have seen this particular theory or not, but I'll post it just in case:

http://www.reddit.co...ds_and_its_end/

This "sinner" is an important part of this theory. Who is the sinner?

The codex say they belong to Dirthamen, but he is clearly in league with Ghilan'nain, who urged his servant into a dragon form. Why a dragon form? We know the gods were able to take such a form, and it was especially associated with Mythal. Was this mere treason, a spiteful symbol, or something more?

Consider that in Inquisition, the only way to fight a high dragon was to procure another high dragon to fight it for you. Did Dirthamen and Ghilan'nein intend to take on Mythal together? Why?

[...]

 I propose the sinner was the one who murdered Mythal on the orders of the opposing faction of gods.


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Holy ****. Literally.

:mellow: I'm probably triple-posting and I don't even care.

Weekes. *waves fist limply*  :mellow:

EDIT: I'm still poring over this. Stanza two: I don't think it's about Zathrian.

It's about the Qunari.

It's about the bestiality and rage that they apparently struggle with. The war with the kossith that led to their separation and the creation of the Qun. The Executors serve powers in Amaranth, we still don't know where the Qunari come from except north/east. I mean, yeah, a lot of it fits Zathrian. But the Dalish were just nomads, and the humans weren't exactly an empire either. And I heard from the east a great city. What stuck out about Koslun's tales of wandering is that it was a highly developed civilization with multiple kingdoms and empires, just like Thedas.

 

I was thinking of the Qunari as well in that stanza, after all, they're often referred to prejoratively as "ox-men" so it's not that unlikely that someone who'd never seen them before might consider them to be "men who were beasts", at least when trying to describe them? The infighting would also fit with how the Kossith being self-destructive was what supposedly caused Koslun to leave and found the Qun?

 


"This isn't real?" :lol:

 

Brolas for the win!

 

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Let's see...any art to post?  Indeed...

 

 

Mr. Grumpy

http://pen-not-penci...s-png-532935314

 

Aww...Solas and Lavellan look so cute!

http://the13th-warri...Solas-532974478

 

Just Solas

http://simone-sche.d...Solas-532975183

 

Dread Wolf

http://psychnade.dev...-Wolf-532887199

 

 

Fenris and Hawk - just because it made me giggle

http://grindy-low.de...-hawk-532883487


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Hey guys, sorry if this has been discussed already. I was going through some things trying to find stuff to fill the huge gaps before -1600 Ancient. I didn't find much, but I found this. Thought it might be interesting:

The elven writing we find in the Arbor Wilds, that you can decipher if you drink from the well:

  • "His crime is high treason. He took on a form reserved for the gods and their chosen, and dared to fly in the shape of the divine. The sinner belongs to Dirthamen; he claims he took wings at the urging of Ghilan'nain, and begs protection from Mythal. She does not show him favor, and will let Elgar'nan judge him.

    For one moment there is an image of a shifting, shadowy mass with blazing eyes, whose form may be one or many. Then it fades."
There is also a reference I got from Caddius' timetable:
  • "5185: The Alamarri tribes split from the Neromenian and cross the Frostback Mountains and settle in the lands that will eventually become known as Ferelden. Alamarri tribal legends say they were fleeing a ‘shadow goddess’..."
I'm probably lacking in sleep, but I haven't really tried to look for 'shadowy things' in codexes before. Do they pop up any place else? Also, the shape of the divine that the sinner dared to fly in... reserved for the gods and their chosen: I'm assuming that means dragon? Anyone have any theories on that codex entry, by the way?
I always thought that codex from the Arbor Wilds was referring to The Formless One. I could be way off on that.

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Just a few Solas art for now. :)

 

Vagabond vagrant wizard prince.

 

Solas color palette.

 

And throwing in some Zevran wearing that awesome Crow armor because he is sexy as hell.

 

 


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That crow armor is not the most inconspicuous thing, is it? ;)

 

(Not that I am complaining...the art has been wonderful.)


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hehehe..that crow armor is awesome..but maybe he should lose the cape. :-P

 

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While we're talking theory crafting . . . anyone else think old god dragon blood has something to do with ending the blights? I say this because the Theirin bloodline (Alistair, Maric, etc) is supposed to have some old god blood in it, and Fiona gets cured of the taint right around the time she's pregnant with Alistair. And isn't dragon blood supposed to be the blood of the world--so it seems like it's pretty important to whatever the story of Thedas is. Not sure what this has to do with anything, just throwin' it out there!


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My World of Thedas still hasn't even shipped yet... Amazon why. Why do you do this to me. 



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While we're talking theory crafting . . . anyone else think old god dragon blood has something to do with ending the blights? I say this because the Theirin bloodline (Alistair, Maric, etc) is supposed to have some old god blood in it, and Fiona gets cured of the taint right around the time she's pregnant with Alistair. And isn't dragon blood supposed to be the blood of the world--so it seems like it's pretty important to whatever the story of Thedas is. Not sure what this has to do with anything, just throwin' it out there!

If that were true, Alistair couldn't be a grey warden because the taint would not stay in him either.


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If that were true, Alistair couldn't be a grey warden because the taint would not stay in him either.

 

But there was also magic involved in Fiona being cured of the Blight.  Dragon blood may grant some degree of natural resistance instead of being an outright cure.  So in Alistair's case, maybe he'll hold out against the Calling for an extra decade or so.  It would certainly explain why he can resist Corypheus's false Calling.  (I suppose Loghain and Stroud get by on sheer stubbornness and mustache power, respectively  :lol: )


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That crow armor is not the most inconspicuous thing, is it? ;)

 

(Not that I am complaining...the art has been wonderful.)

 

Perhaps the mask and cape are just for ceremonial purposes, they leave them at home when they're out on a hit.

 

Otherwise, Antiva has enough masks and capery that the Crow's elaborate get-up is not noticed at all... and I'd be cool with that? Josie's outfit has a hella lotta ruffles, so maybe like Orlais, Antiva is basically one massive soiree and gala that goes on forever?

 

Either way... someone needs to mod the Crow armour into all three games, pronto!


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Just popping in to say I finished The Stolen Throne. I am now on chapter two of The Calling. It is already my favorite book ever. I didn't know the Architect was going to be in it!


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Just popping in to say I finished The Stolen Throne. I am now on chapter two of The Calling. It is already my favorite book ever. I didn't know the Architect was going to be in it!

 

I just finished reading through The Masked Empire myself. I still like Celene and Briala, I feel a bit sorry for them both actually. I'm equally torn by thinking Gaspard is a total tw*t and a total badass. x) Amazing book.

 

Just started The Last Flight... Not sure on my opinions on it just yet,


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Solasness:

 

We've gained another one to the cause:

 

But on the other hand....

 

Message Sent:

 

Puppies:

 

However I had to:


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If that were true, Alistair couldn't be a grey warden because the taint would not stay in him either.

 

Good point. So, not just dragon blood, by itself. We know dragon's blood does slow the corruption of the blight. Maybe something further is needed to actually stop it.

 

But there was also magic involved in Fiona being cured of the Blight.  Dragon blood may grant some degree of natural resistance instead of being an outright cure.  So in Alistair's case, maybe he'll hold out against the Calling for an extra decade or so.  It would certainly explain why he can resist Corypheus's false Calling.  (I suppose Loghain and Stroud get by on sheer stubbornness and mustache power, respectively  :lol: )

 

Now that's an interesting thought. Dragon's blood + magic = blood magic. How awesome would it be if blood magic turns out to be what's needed to save the world after all the chantry's forbidding of it? :lol:


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Now that's an interesting thought. Dragon's blood + magic = blood magic. How awesome would it be if blood magic turns out to be what's needed to save the world after all the chantry's forbidding of it? :lol:

 

Between WoT2 and Inquisition, we've learned that basically, everyone's wrong about everything.  So I wouldn't be surprised at this rate  :rolleyes:

 

I just finished reading through The Masked Empire myself. I still like Celene and Briala, I feel a bit sorry for them both actually. I'm equally torn by thinking Gaspard is a total tw*t and a total badass. x) Amazing book.

 

It's possible to be both an ass and a badass.  I like Gaspard a lot as a character; he's an interesting foil to Celene and Briala, and the Orlesian system in general.  In some ways he almost reminds me of Dorian: the outsider looking in on the Great Game, who still loves his homeland beyond measure.  


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I'd recommend this... http://southerncross...s-judas-eng.htm

 

J.L. Borges's Three Versions of Judas.... Where the basic postulate is just this...

 

Borges.  <3

 

STEN: Had.

ALISTAIR: Heeeey....I called dibs.  :(

 

Dog: *bark of agreement*

*complaining whine*

 

While we're talking theory crafting . . . anyone else think old god dragon blood has something to do with ending the blights? I say this because the Theirin bloodline (Alistair, Maric, etc) is supposed to have some old god blood in it, and Fiona gets cured of the taint right around the time she's pregnant with Alistair. And isn't dragon blood supposed to be the blood of the world--so it seems like it's pretty important to whatever the story of Thedas is. Not sure what this has to do with anything, just throwin' it out there!

 

If that were true, Alistair couldn't be a grey warden because the taint would not stay in him either.

 

But there was also magic involved in Fiona being cured of the Blight.  Dragon blood may grant some degree of natural resistance instead of being an outright cure.  So in Alistair's case, maybe he'll hold out against the Calling for an extra decade or so.  It would certainly explain why he can resist Corypheus's false Calling.  (I suppose Loghain and Stroud get by on sheer stubbornness and mustache power, respectively   :lol: )

 

 

Good point. So, not just dragon blood, by itself. We know dragon's blood does slow the corruption of the blight. Maybe something further is needed to actually stop it.

 

 

Now that's an interesting thought. Dragon's blood + magic = blood magic. How awesome would it be if blood magic turns out to be what's needed to save the world after all the chantry's forbidding of it? :lol:

 

I like where this is going. Blood magic saving the world sounds exactly like the kind of "completion of the circle" solution that makes perfect sense in a world of balance.

 

I agree with the assessment that dragon blood might not be enough by itself, but perhaps it has the right base properties to be the prerequisite to curing the Blight.

 

Since our Wardens (ostensibly in all the various endings? I don't know, nor if this is true for all variations, my Warden has always survived the Blight with a certain fixed ending so far in my DAI PT's) are out scouting out solutions to reversing the taint, Fiona would be an obvious starting point for study... if they ever get into contact and her relationship to Maric and Alistair is revealed.

 

Also: I have a "rejuvenation of the world's blood" concept churning around in my mind regarding Old God blood and dragons in general. Perhaps this is like a spell: a specific combination is needed to get the right alchemical mix. Dragon blood + magic + birth, perhaps. Like a distillation. Fiona is cured because her body undergoes a transformation when pregnant with/giving birth to Alistair, i.e. the taint is cleansed and distilled due to the dragon's blood in her womb making new life, i.e. a natural force completes the cycle. Not to say that the only way to cleanse the taint is to give birth to a child with Theirin blood, but that's a point to extrapolate from. Plus, dragons have a very curious way of dealing with the corruption - sealing it away rather than being consumed by it. That mechanism is very, very interesting...

 

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Also: I have a "rejuvenation of the world's blood" concept churning around in my mind regarding Old God blood and dragons in general. Perhaps this is like a spell: a specific combination is needed to get the right alchemical mix. Dragon blood + magic + birth, perhaps. Like a distillation. Fiona is cured because her body undergoes a transformation when pregnant with/giving birth to Alistair, i.e. the taint is cleansed and distilled due to the dragon's blood in her womb making new life, i.e. a natural force completes the cycle. Not to say that the only way to cleanse the taint is to give birth to a child with Theirin blood, but that's a point to extrapolate from. Plus, dragons have a very curious way of dealing with the corruption - sealing it away rather than being consumed by it. That mechanism is very, very interesting...

 

*mumbles on*

 

It's like reverse Daenerys.  Instead of shedding someone else's blood to birth the dragons, you shed dragon blood to rebirth the world free of Blight?  Very, very creepy.  I like it.  There's probably something particular about the blood of the Old Gods too.  The Wardens need a drop of Archdemon blood (in addition to normal darkspawn) to create the concoction for the Joining, otherwise it doesn't work.


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It's like reverse Daenerys.  Instead of shedding someone else's blood to birth the dragons, you shed dragon blood to rebirth the world free of Blight?  Very, very creepy.  I like it.  There's probably something particular about the blood of the Old Gods too.  The Wardens need a drop of Archdemon blood (in addition to normal darkspawn) to create the concoction for the Joining, otherwise it doesn't work.

 

I like this... and taking it one step further, having Archdemon blood inside them is probably what makes Warden blood the vital ingredient of the Architect's own version of the Joining, since it's the only thing that is capable of severing a Darkspawn from the call of the Old Gods and granting them true sapience and independent free will?

 

Edit: Top Solas;

 


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It's like reverse Daenerys.  Instead of shedding someone else's blood to birth the dragons, you shed dragon blood to rebirth the world free of Blight?  Very, very creepy.  I like it.  There's probably something particular about the blood of the Old Gods too.  The Wardens need a drop of Archdemon blood (in addition to normal darkspawn) to create the concoction for the Joining, otherwise it doesn't work.

 

Exactly. I've always thought it very interesting that you can only do the Joining with Archdemon blood in the mix - their particular brand of "insulation" against the taint without actually being free of the taint is an indicator of something I'm sure. The whole process of the Joining is reverse engineered to begin with, so logically you could do the same with the world in general, but it makes much more sense to me that to truly be free of the taint, it moves on the same axis of "natural corruption," i.e. a "clean slate" rebirth.

What I mean by that runs along these lines: the taint is a natural phenomenon, thus a rebirth of some sort is required as a counterpart to that as the only way to completely distill the taint and yet retain the key essence. Like matter and anti-matter; one cannot be destroyed without the other, yet one cannot exist without the other, so the only way to get out of that logical loop is to have two polar elements cancel each other out of existence.

Again basing this on alchemy, the first step to a true transmutation begins with destruction (the utter corruption and disintegration you could say, so the taint in this context), then a distillation of all the components (so we have Archdemon blood, magic, birth, regular darkspawn blood and Grey Warden blood, which again is a new formula), then the recombination of these elements (i.e. in Fiona's case we have a Grey Warden, tainted by both darkspawn and an Archdemon, who gives birth to a distilled part pure dragon-blooded child) and finally the rebirth itself (the distillation is completed in the child's construction).

 

I.e. this is basically the same process that Kieran's birth signifies, which we may recall involves powerful, ancient magic that Morrigan uses to "distill" the Old God from the tainted Archdemon. The question is how to expand that process to a larger scale. I think it significant that Fiona is the only Grey Warden mother we know of who actually is cured of the taint: that tells me that some element unique to her situation was the cause, and Theirin blood in her body is what makes most sense. Yes, Alistair is not immune, nor would any Theirin's be by themselves, but as I said, I think it's not the blood alone, it's the process of growing a child that is what does the trick.

 

It could even be that Alistair ends up fending off the taint after a while, or that his Calling is not quite as potent as that of a run-of-the-mill Grey Warden. Going on this, though, it could be that an infusion of blood from a Grey Warden mother giving birth to a Theirin child could give just the right combination of essences... hmm, if your Warden is Alistair's queen, would that mean your Warden could be cured of the taint as well, should she succeed in conceiving a child from Alistair...?


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*listens to alchemy theory-crafting in polite confusion and genuine interest*

*clicking sound*

Oh. :D That all makes the Joining rituals much more logical for me. Dragon blood is definitely playing a role with the Blight, and I like how they've been sneaky and have it as far back as The Calling with information only revealed years later.

There was some magic voodoo business going on with The Calling and Fiona, not to spoil anything for those of you who are on Chapter Two :P , which might prevent the Hero of Ferelden from being cured through conception. Doesn't mean they shouldn't try to test out the theory.  ;)  :lol:

Now, I'm curious. What would happen if the Architect and Corypheus and the rest of the Magisters took a draught of the Architect's Joining potion. Would it have any effect?


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Some minor things that got me thinking when I was replaying the Dalish Origin recently.

 

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Now, I'm curious. What would happen if the Architect and Corypheus and the rest of the Magisters took a draught of the Architect's Joining potion. Would it have any effect?

 

I never read the Joining and only wikied the plot; the Architect never tries the Warden blood potion on himself, right?  He only ever experiments with it on other darkspawn.  Presumably because he's already independent from the call of the Old Gods, which is odd in and of itself.  He and Corypheus are undoubtedly blighted, and can even exert some degree of control over the Blight.  But they're not darkspawn in the traditional sense.  They don't feel the compulsion to dig for the Archdemon, and they don't have to obey its orders.  They don't even seem to be tapped into the hive mind of the darkspawn.  TBH they sound more like powerful ghouls than darkspawn.

 

 

Exactly. I've always thought it very interesting that you can only do the Joining with Archdemon blood in the mix - their particular brand of "insulation" against the taint without actually being free of the taint is an indicator of something I'm sure. The whole process of the Joining is reverse engineered to begin with, so logically you could do the same with the world in general, but it makes much more sense to me that to truly be free of the taint, it moves on the same axis of "natural corruption," i.e. a "clean slate" rebirth.

 

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Some minor things that got me thinking when I was replaying the Dalish Origin recently.

 

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Some minor things that got me thinking when I was replaying the Dalish Origin recently.

 

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I completely forgot about Tamlen's mentioning Falon'din. :D

I'd heard the Black City theories, and that Arlathan was sunk beneath the earth and the Black City is the Fade's reflection of the most heavily magical area in (under) Thedas. It being the Black City would explain the whispers.

Oh.

Crap.

I remember Mike Laidlaw, years after the fact, commenting that, "Merril repairing the mirror? Really bad idea." Which I thought was confusing, since they'd dealt with the demon that was going to use it to hop into the Fade-

Oh, dear. *frets*


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