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[VelvetV]

Please someone explain what happened in Solas' quest "All New, Faded for Her". Did the demon autonomously revert to a spirit form after being freed? Did she go back to the Fade or did she die (if so, why)?

[Illyria]

Please someone explain what happened in Solas' quest "All New, Faded for Her". Did the demon autonomously revert to a spirit form after being freed? Did she go back to the Fade or did she die (if so, why)?

 

It depends on if you helped free it or kill it.  If you freed it then the spirit dies, but it dies as itself.  Solas thinks it will be reborn in the section of the Fade it used to live in, but it wont remember him and it wont be the friend he cared for.

[VelvetV]

It depends on if you helped free it or kill it.  If you freed it then the spirit dies, but it dies as itself.  Solas thinks it will be reborn in the section of the Fade it used to live in, but it wont remember him and it wont be the friend he cared for.

 

We freed it, but why does it die? We didn't kill it.

[Sifr]

We freed it, but why does it die? We didn't kill it.

 

I think that the Spirit died as the combined result of trauma from being corrupted into a Pride Demon, being weakened by the binding Circle and having to fight both bandits and the idiot mages who summoned it? Poor thing was on her last legs when we managed to free her?

[Illyria]

We freed it, but why does it die? We didn't kill it.

 

Because it was corrupted from its purpose.  There's no way to save it, but freeing it first is the better option as it lets Solas say goodbye to it.  If you take the investigate options with Solas when he returns to Skyhold he does explain a little about death for spirits.

[VelvetV]

If you take the investigate options with Solas when he returns to Skyhold he does explain a little about death for spirits.

 

Unfortunately, I completed that quest a while ago and I can't remember his explanations

[Garnet]

 

Cute doodles.

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http://kekecocoa.tum...-sure-all-these

 

 

 

I always love the art posted on here ! But this one made me laugh so hard because I adore Anastasia and this part always makes me giggle. 

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[Sable Rhapsody]

Unfortunately, I completed that quest a while ago and I can't remember his explanations

 

He says that the energy of spirits just returns to the Fade, and if the idea giving the spirit its form is strong enough, it might reform someday.  But it wouldn't be the same spirit.

[Siha]

Completed it, saved Triss and let Letho go. I feel like I made a mistake in saving Triss though. 

 

Saved Saskia, let her live, let Letho save Triss, let Letho live.

 

I was told, it's "best" to save Triss (for the mages!), so I don't think you made a mistake.

But I just couldn't care for her and knew she'd be fine anyway, while I really cared about Saskia and didn't want to let her be mind-controlled. I don't see myself make another decision for any other reasons than curiosity.

 

I'm mighty proud of you for letting Letho live though.

[VelvetV]

Saved Saskia, let her live, let Letho save Triss, let Letho live.

 

I was told, it's "best" to save Triss (for the mages!), so I don't think you made a mistake.

But I just couldn't care for her and knew she'd be fine anyway, while I really cared about Saskia and didn't want to let her be mind-controlled. I don't see myself make another decision for any other reasons than curiosity.

 

I'm mighty proud of you for letting Letho live though.

 

For a moment I thought I was at a different site

 

I see people here are waiting for the game, too. I personally have multiple ending saves and don't even know which one to use yet! All have advantages and disadvantages.

[madrar]

Hmmm, yes, fascinating points. *brain cogs whir*

 

Especially taken into a reincarnational context: regret is a permanent part of Mythal regardless of her advice because she is aware of all the strings of fate that have woven both the world and her in it to the point where she is at, yet that is exactly what enables her to see the wisdom in letting go of regret. I agree about this signifying free will, part of that is the choice to let go of what was or not to let go; ultimately, in my mind she represents a kind of martyr in this sense. She regrets for all, she holds all the memories (of the Collective, you could say) in a pool of sorrow, allowing her followers to transcend this aspect of existence and become Enlightened. (At least, that's my psychological/theological mish-mash takeaway.)

 

Whoa.  That was an aspect I hadn't considered before.  The story of Andraste has obvious parallels to Christianity's Jesus, but though Andraste's martyrdom ensured the freedom of her people, it seems to be Mythal who truly "suffers for our sins" in the larger picture.  She bears the weight of millennia of accumulated regret for the choices of her children: Gods, elves, and humans alike.

 

Noting, of course, that given Andraste's tight connection to Mythal, this cyclical sacrifice isn't new.  Earth-Mythal's death seems to punctuate every historic revolution as a harbinger of change, as it ties into the idea of triad magic hashed over here.

 

In fact... I'll go one step farther and bring the Moira into this, the weavers of fate. I am intimately acquainted with this subject and given her form of reincarnation, I believe there are quite a few pieces of evidence that would tie Mythal to such a role. She sees the strings of fate as I said before, because she has witnessed a lot and can remember all of that; she may not weave it directly, I'm still dubious about that, yet she has a distinct tendency to 1. always be present at great Moments of Fate for our various heroes, and 2. always say/do just the right things to set things into motion.

 

Yes.  I think the parallels are absolutely there. Pulling from an old post:

 

We know from the ToM that ancient elvhen paid homage by walking Mythal's labyrinth, a metaphor for the twists and turns of life. (The branching of her tree iconography is similar, suggesting potential diverging paths toward the future.) These concepts are tied together by the nature of Mythal's domain, the Fade- the literal spirit of her former incarnation, Earth, and window into the Thedas-limited multiverse. The fade is potential in its raw form, the ultimate indeterminate state. As Cole describes it, “In the soft, thin places, spirits push with memories that didn't happen. Or did. Or might. Before the door is open. They could let the cat out, and it would always be alive."

 

The obvious reference here is to Schrodinger -and by extension chaos theory, event divergence, and the multiverse- and the significant word is “might”. The fade is not just a reflection of the past, but also a window into potential futures. Mythal, as Flemeth, is infamous for guiding players and NPCs alike toward an end that only she can perceive. "I nudge history, when it's required. Other times, a shove is needed."

 

(Spoiler tagged for the JoH-less)

 

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Compare that to what we learn of Razikale in the Jaws of Hakkon. Her priests describe themselves as “those who serve the twisted path”, imploring her to grant them “eyes to pierce the darkness” (a scrying/wisdom reference) and “souls to bear the wounds of your labyrinth” (emotional resilience in the face of life’s twists and turns). Razikale herself is described as “the Shadow that Obscures the Path Ahead”, suggesting that she can lift this veil at will for her chosen. This is further supported by the inscriptions that date after she disappears. Without her guidance, “the paths ahead are lost in darkness, and those who walk them find only ruin”. Razikale is also “She who winds the skein of wisdom”- a suggestive pointer to not just Fates and Norns, but also the myth of Ariadne- the wisdom Razikale grants being a metaphorical thread that guides her faithful through life's labyrinth. This basic connection could also plausibly extend to the spider iconography we find in Frostback Basin, rounding out the eternal triad we’ve come to expect:

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Obviously the Avvar have interpreted these figures in a way that makes sense in their own cultural context, just as “melting Dirthamen” was adopted as Bjorn Reedbeard, or Andruil’s Vir Tanadhal adapted to fit the hunting-gathering Dalish. Still, I think the triad fits too well to be coincidental, which would put future spider symbolism squarely in Mythal's corner, along with the Dragon and the Tree.

 

That aside, the idea of Mythal as a "fate weaver" might give us a plausible connection for these structures we find scattered throughout Thedas, whose unknown meaning and lack of context have been driving me nuts:

 

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...a needle and thread?   Iffy, but possible.

 

Also, for what it's worth, it seems like there may be another potential symbolic connection between spider imagery, Mythal, and the fractal nature of the larger DA universe in the Buddhist concept of Indra's net.   I know as much about Buddhism as I do about Christianity though (~not much~) so take that reference with a grain of salt.  ^w^

[Sifr]

 

That aside, the idea of Mythal as a "fate weaver" might give us a plausible connection for these structures we find scattered throughout Thedas, whose unknown meaning and lack of context have been driving me nuts:

 

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...a needle and thread?   Iffy, but possible.

 

Also, for what it's worth, it seems like there may be another potential symbolic connection between spider imagery, Mythal, and the fractal nature of the larger DA universe in the Buddhist concept of Indra's net.   I know as much about Buddhism as I do about Christianity though (~not much~) so take that reference with a grain of salt.  ^w^

 

 

Which is interesting as that's exactly how the Anchor is described, a needle through which the Inquisitor is capable of drawing the threads of reality... allowing them to open or close the stitching between worlds at their leisure?

 

[madrar]

By porn you mean an abundance of exquisitely drawn maps, right? 

 

Map porn totally counts.  

[Caddius]

Completed it, saved Triss and let Letho go. I feel like I made a mistake in saving Triss though. 

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That depends on if you're a fan of the North remaining independent, I imagine. A lot of the crazy **** that went down in the books and games, the chaos, is a result of the Conclave of Mages being annulled in the book series. Re-instituting and preventing a witch hunt leaves the North in the strongest shape. I, uh, can't quite remember which path you were on. It's possible to completely screw things up for the North on Roche's path, while Iorveth's is mostly focused on the Free Pontar State.
But I highly recommended going back and not saving Triss. And then doing the other Path. And then playing it all over again!

[MoonDrummer]

Saved Saskia, let her live, let Letho save Triss, let Letho live.

 

I was told, it's "best" to save Triss (for the mages!), so I don't think you made a mistake.

But I just couldn't care for her and knew she'd be fine anyway, while I really cared about Saskia and didn't want to let her be mind-controlled. I don't see myself make another decision for any other reasons than curiosity.

 

I'm mighty proud of you for letting Letho live though.

I didn't know Triss survived either way, so I decided Saskia being mind controlled was better than Triss dying. Ioverth was captured, which is why I was annoyed. 

 

I reloaded just before the end and this time helped Philippa escape, and let Sile explode.  I liked that ending better, despite the whole mass murder thing. Iorveth, Triss and Gerelt all leaving together was nice. 

 

Its sort of a lose-lose situation, I kinda love it. 

 

My biggest mistake was saving the Elven ladies in Flotsam instead of killing the fat man. 

 

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That depends on if you're a fan of the North remaining independent, I imagine. A lot of the crazy **** that went down in the books and games, the chaos, is a result of the Conclave of Mages being annulled in the book series. Re-instituting and preventing a witch hunt leaves the North in the strongest shape. I, uh, can't quite remember which path you were on. It's possible to completely screw things up for the North on Roche's path, while Iorveth's is mostly focused on the Free Pontar State.
But I highly recommended going back and not saving Triss. And then doing the other Path. And then playing it all over again!

Yeah, Temeria got annexed in my game, which sucked. I'm going to do a Roche playthrough at some point, and do everything possible to stop Temeria falling. 

 

Does the Empire invade no matter what?

[VelvetV]

Does the Empire invade no matter what?

 

I think it wins no matter what, not only invades. But the war definitely cannot be avoided, it's in the prophecy.

[Caddius]

For a moment I thought I was at a different site

 

I see people here are waiting for the game, too. I personally have multiple ending saves and don't even know which one to use yet! All have advantages and disadvantages.

I am completely torn about which save game to use.   My first had the same set-up as Siha's. Then I went back to Roche's path, and let's just say that kingslaying isn't the ultimate crime. 

So considering the apparent allegiance choices in The Witcher 3, I could have a 'The Kings in the North' save, the 'Nilfy Cheap-Shot' save, and 'Y'know, I'm Sick of This Whole Racism Thing.'

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1) Roche Path, Triss saved, Henselt spared. Anais ends up in Radovid's care, who leads the war effort along with Henselt. Letho spared.

2) Roche Path. Anais saved and given to John Natalis. Letho spared.

3) Iorveth's Path. (Finally.) Saaskia saved for more draconic awesomeness in The Witcher 3, off-screen or on. Stennis killed. Letho spared, with a surprisingly warm hug.

@Gwyvian: Here I thought I was being clever in thinking that comic book heroes are the new myths of our age, with countless reinterpretations and the classic 'origin' stories being told again...and again...and look there's a reboot with a/n (cash) infusion from another religion/company...and again. 

[Caddius]

I think it wins no matter what, not only invades. But the war definitely cannot be avoided, it's in the prophecy.

Witcher 3 Stuff.

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Well, by the time the third game starts, I believe it's overrun a lot of the North south of the Pontar. In a demo of the prologue, Vesemir mentions that (apparently in a vengeful Roche playthrough import) Radovid is literally the only king of worth left standing in the North, and is managing to hold out against Nilfgaard. And we have the option to push things in Nilfgaard, Northern Kingdoms, or Neutral favor. So we may be able to prevent the prophecy from being fulfilled. *shrug* Or we're just delaying the inevitable. Either way, Nilfgaard always invades, and they always do very well.

[madrar]

I was reading World of Thedas last night and came across the poem Where Willows Wail.

 

'When waked, we walked where willows wail

whose withered windings wont wassail.

We weary-worn with waited wale,

were wavering with wanion ward.

When wishing waned, we wighters warred.

When wolfen wan, we wastrels warred.'

 

God lord, that's a thick poem to untangle.  Not even Cole pulls off that crazy degree of alliteration- which itself seems to suggest authorship by spirits/ancient Elvhen, regardless of the contents.  Though I doubt we can take the words too literally, given how difficult it must have been to twist meaning into alliterative shape, let's try pulling it apart:

 

When waked, we walked where willows wail

whose withered windings wont wassail.

 

When we woke, we travelled (eluvian?) paths long abandoned.  "Where willows wail" brings to mind the paths between eluvians, where flora responds to the presence of Elvhen, but that's just supposition.  "Withered windings wont wassail" underscores the idea that these paths are in poor repair, or decaying.  "Withered" in particular suggests either lack of use or lack of sustaining magic while the authors slept. 

 

We weary-worn with waited wale,

were wavering with wanion ward.

 

Mentally exhausted by the hanging threat of punishment, we found our strength had been sapped by vengeful magic.  This is debatable on a number of levels.  "Waited wale" seems to me to imply a Damacles-like sense of impending doom, the "wale" of the master's lash.  I think "Wanion ward" is literally vengeful/cursed magic.  Taken together, this might point to the authors as being rebel slaves of the Elvhen pantheon: those who had risen against their masters found that the power of their vallaslin had been stripped.

 

When wishing waned, we wighters warred.

When wolfen wan, we wastrels warred.

 

When magic began to fade, we fought each other.  When Halamshiral fell, we fought the humans.  These lines seem to reference two significant conflicts in elvhen history, but again, this is a very debatable interpretation.  "When wishing waned" seems like a plausible fit for the waning of magic among the elvhen, and in that case, they fought "wighters" - strong, brave soldiers, possibly a sign of respect for their brethren.   "When wolfen wan" (when the Emerald Knights failed) they fought "wastrels" - a term of contempt for their adversary.  

 

*shrug*  That's all I can piece together.  Anyone else have a take on this?

 

   'We/it lost eternity or the ruined tree of the People,

Time won't help when the land of dreams is no longer our journey.

We try to lead despite the eventual failings of our markings.

To the inevitable and troubling freedom we are committed.

When we could no longer believe, we lost glory to war.

When the Wolf failed/won, we lost the people to war.'

 

This whole thing is crazy interesting.  @w@   The references to lost immortality, the "blocked" paths of the reincarnation cycle, the failing of vallaslin's power- and then again- the two big conflicts of Elvhen history: the fall of Arlathan and Halamshiral.  I'm going to have to chew all of this over for a bit.

 

[Caddius]

Mentally exhausted by the hanging threat of punishment, we found our strength had been sapped by vengeful magic.  

This brings to mind the Chant mentioning 'ancient ones who awoke to find their dreams devoured by a demon,'. Just a thought.  

[Siha]

I didn't know Triss survived either way, so I decided Saskia being mind controlled was better than Triss dying. Ioverth was captured though. Which is why I was annoyed. 

 

I reloaded just before the end and this time helped Philippa escape, and let Sile explode.  I liked that ending better, despite the whole mass murder thing. Iorveth, Triss and Gerelt all leaving together was nice. 

 

Its sort of a lose-lose situation, I kinda love it. 

 

My biggest mistake was saving the Elven ladies in Flotsam instead of killing the fat man. 

 

Yeah, Temeria got annexed in my game, which sucked. I'm going to do a Roche playthrough at some point, and do everything possible to stop Temeria falling. 

 

Does the Empire invade no matter what?

 

I didn't know Triss would survive either way, I just assumed it. But I wouldn't really have minded her dying either. Saskia was simply more important for me.

I went about your way, only I let Sile live. I liked how somebody said that I really didn't do her any favor by letting her live, only to be hunted down by the bloodthirsty mob, me replying that I was very much aware of this.

 

I like this about The Witcher, this complete **** up. Whatever you do, it's never a clean (or even clear) win. It's adorable!

 

And I killed the guy, illuminated by the burning ladies (so to speak), seems like I was a bit more ruthless than you were. 

 

I don't think you can prevent the course of events, even on Roche's path. But you have more of a hand in how the issues might be resolved in the future, depending on who you chose to save etc. But in the end, whatever you do is never clean anyway. You can lay the foundation but how things really unfold is still out of your hands. I wouldn't be surprised if in the end the worst possible set of decisions will wield the most fortunate results...

[MoonDrummer]

I am completely torn about which save game to use.   My first had the same set-up as Siha's. Then I went back to Roche's path, and let's just say that kingslaying isn't the ultimate crime. 

So considering the apparent allegiance choices in The Witcher 3, I could have a 'The Kings in the North' save, the 'Nilfy Cheap-Shot' save, and 'Y'know, I'm Sick of This Whole Racism Thing.'

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1) Roche Path, Triss saved, Henselt spared. Anais ends up in Radovid's care, who leads the war effort along with Henselt. Letho spared.

2) Roche Path. Anais saved and given to John Natalis. Letho spared.

3) Iorveth's Path. (Finally.) Saaskia saved for more draconic awesomeness in The Witcher 3, off-screen or on. Stennis killed. Letho spared, with a surprisingly warm hug.

@Gwyvian: Here I thought I was being clever in thinking that comic book heroes are the new myths of our age, with countless reinterpretations and the classic 'origin' stories being told again...and again...and look there's a reboot with a/n (cash) infusion from another religion/company...and again. 

How does carrying over the save work for the witcher? Do they have their own version of the keep? I'll be using a different console when I get the 3rd one. 

 

What I like about the North is that all the Kings are both pretty cool and massive asses at the same time. Foltest and Eyeball McSpoony stand out. I would say Henselt, but I've been informed by friends that liking Henselt would make me a bad person, they wont tell me why though, and demand I find out myself. 

[VelvetV]

So considering the apparent allegiance choices in The Witcher 3, I could have a 'The Kings in the North' save, the 'Nilfy Cheap-Shot' save, and 'Y'know, I'm Sick of This Whole Racism Thing.'

My saves are pretty much the same as yours, except

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I allowed Henselt to be offed

So torn, too.

 

But I figure that the North cannot be saved, so screw it, it's no use striving for the impossible. But I like both the idea of free Pontar Valley and absence of mass murder of mages. Although Free Pontar Valley cannot exist for long, if North cannot be saved, right? *sigh* And mages... well, since our char is going to be hated, I figured that magic users are accused and hated no matter what, too, otherwise he wouldn't suddenly get so hated so much in TW3, being merely a witcher. So all in all, it feels like TW3 starts the same way, regardless of what you did in TW2.

 

I think I'll go with Iorveth\Saskia option, because I want Iorveth and Philippa to be alive and well. Politics is nothing, characters are everything! It kind of suits Geralt's philosophy of neutrality anyway.

 

Caddius, on 17 May 2015 - 11:22 PM, said:

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Well, by the time the third game starts, I believe it's overrun a lot of the North south of the Pontar. In a demo of the prologue, Vesemir mentions that (apparently in a vengeful Roche playthrough import) Radovid is literally the only king of worth left standing in the North, and is managing to hold out against Nilfgaard. And we have the option to push things in Nilfgaard, Northern Kingdoms, or Neutral favor. So we may be able to prevent the prophecy from being fulfilled. *shrug* Or we're just delaying the inevitable. Either way, Nilfgaard always invades, and they always do very well.

 

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From what you describe it sounds like decision whether to kill Henselt or not was meaningless. If Radovid is the only king. And here I was crying over it.

 

To be honest, I think preventing the prophecy would be plain cheating. I'd be very disappointed if it was possible, it would render all doom and gloom to nothing. And the importance of Ciri would be zero, too, as the prophecy is the only reason she is of importance. Well, either way in CDPR I trust, so I'm pretty sure they made the game interesting, no matter if they chose to follow the books faithfully or not.

 

In fact, didn't the games were supposed to take place after the books? That means SORRY BUT HERE'S A FAIR WARNING STOP READING THIS NOW IF YOU HAVEN'T READ THE BOOKS

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Ciri and emperor already met, right? So I'm kind of unsure why she is being scouted out again. Maybe the game is going to pretend like it hasn't happened.

[VelvetV]

How does carrying over the save work for the witcher? Do they have their own version of the keep? I'll be using a different console when I get the 3rd one. 

 

There's no save import for consoles, but at the beginning of the game you're being in some kind of interrogation and you're asked what happened in TW2. Then the game uses that info. Very handy!

[Caddius]

My saves are pretty much the same as yours, except

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I allowed Henselt to be offed

So torn, too.

 

But I figure that the North cannot be saved, so screw it, it's no use striving for the impossible. But I like both the idea of free Pontar Valley and absence of mass murder of mages. Although Free Pontar Valley cannot exist for long, if North cannot be saved, right? *sigh* And mages... well, since our char is going to be hated, I figured that magic users are accused and hated no matter what, too, otherwise he wouldn't suddenly get so hated so much in TW3, being merely a witcher. So all in all, it feels like TW3 starts the same way, regardless of what you did in TW2.

 

I think I'll go with Iorveth\Saskia option, because I want Iorveth and Philippa to be alive and well. Politics is nothing, characters are everything! It kind of suits Geralt's philosophy of neutrality anyway.

 

 

 

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From what you describe it sounds like decision whether to kill Henselt or not was meaningless. If Radovid is the only king. And here I was crying over it.

 

To be honest, I think preventing the prophecy would be plain cheating. I'd be very disappointed if it was possible, it would render all doom and gloom to nothing. And the importance of Ciri would be zero, too, as the prophecy is the only reason she is of importance. Well, either way in CDPR I trust, so I'm pretty sure they made the game interesting, no matter if they chose to follow the books faithfully or not.

 

In fact, didn't the games were supposed to take place after the books? That means SORRY BUT HERE'S A FAIR WARNING STOP READING THIS NOW IF YOU HAVEN'T READ THE BOOKS

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Ciri and emperor already met, right? So I'm kind of unsure why she is being scouted out again. Maybe the game is going to pretend like it hasn't happened.

The game very much acknowledges that those two have met before.

And the video with the prologue, there was a delightfully accented man explaining how some decisions carry-over, so I imagine it still matters.

It doesn't use a Keep. I think in the early stages, someone's telling your story, and you get to correct him whenever he makes something up. Ten bucks says it's an extended sequence of, "Shut up, Dandelion! That's not what happened! You were there!"