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This post outlines the basic idea, but admittedly kind of poorly.   TwT   The whole thing is built from a multitude of teeny, tiny details and is almost entirely circumstantial, but it has a lot of explanatory power: much of the timeline (and several otherwise difficult-to-explain pieces of lore like the "Tevinter" mosaics) can be tamed into making sense if we use it as a base assumption. 

 

Quick attempt at a 1000-foot overview:

 

*snip*

 

I'm going to toss in another element here that supports this notion (I had an electric "aha!" moment a while back when it struck me that I'm seeing a mighty big link between Dirthamen and Fen'Harel/Solas and I just thought of this upon reading your post, accompanied by a warm, fuzzy feeling that I'm not crazy): the concept of Rahu and Ketu from Hinduism, who is literally split into two entities (a severed head and the body) that never meet. In fact, the entire concept of Rahu and Ketu could be describing Fen'Harel in a sense: Rahu is the "enemy of the luminaries," "lord of illusion," "bestower of wealth and knowledge" and together they are responsible for eclipses, too, Rahu for the Sun, Ketu for the Moon. (Yep, I know quite a bit of Vedic stuff in general thanks to my dad.) This I think is a good parallel for Dirthamen and Falon'Din even if we put aside the connection to Solas, of course, given their twin nature, but I see this supporting an overall connection to this concept, especially upon psychoanalyzing Solas.

 

*gasps* ...and now that I've spent hours replying to posts, I really ought to get some sleep...  :lol: you guyyyys keep my brain cogs so busyyyy....


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On a slight side note, and I'm sure this must have been discussed at some point but why are there absolute no elven/humanoid depictions of Fen'Harel? And if there are could someone point me to them and just disregard the following stuff I say.

 

I mean, I guess it makes sense in a way that if Fen'Harel himself was asked "Hey, can we make an image of you?" and his reply being an a big "No, just in case I need to be sneaky-sneaky in a few thousand years."

 

There are theories about Fen'Harel being an idea that is not tied to a single person.

And yet, Mythal seems to recognise Solas as Fen'Harel. Maybe he kept his face hidden from the public to avoid becoming an object of worship, but members of the pantheon knew who he was? So on a public level, he might have wanted to keep his rebellion as a general idea which is not tied to a single man to avoid becoming something like Andraste, for example.  Then again.. you can also worship and build temples for a wolf.. I'm having real difficulty in expressing what I feel about this. If only there was someone who could see into my mind and articulate my feelings.. *sigh*

 

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Hmm, I wonder if this line of dialogue could explain something to me.

I've been wondering why Solas dislikes the idea of allying with the wardens so much. To me, becoming allies seems like a smart tactical choice. If the wardens are exiled, there's a bigger chance of them becoming involved in some crazy shenanigans and being corrupted. I feel like if they were allies, the Inquisition would have at least some overview of their activities and could react faster if something shady started happening. Like.. keep your friends close and your (potential) enemies closer. Having a bunch of potentially corruptible people far away in a remote location, where they could be slowly molded by some madman, seems a little shortsighted.

In light of this dialogue, I guess he just feels that betrayal would be worse than a surprise attack. 

It's possible that I'm misinterpreting the allying, I view it more as keeping them on a leash than being super best friends.

 

However, the sacrifice aspect is very telling; it would make sense in Mythal's context alone, just starting out from being a weaver of fate and the one who is witness to the ages; still, there seems to be more "someone nudged Andraste" in it for me, as she nudged our heroes to end up doing world-changing deeds.

 

Yees, this I like


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Found a better rendition of the Inquisition "Last Supper" 

http://twohundredand...d-to-read-about

Here's part of it:

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A curious thought occured to me late last night,

As I wandered through the tomes of lore.

The Elven slaves forgot most of their Gods,

So did the Creators perhaps number more?

 

Perhaps this led to the Forgotten Ones,

Creators with with names lost to time?

Angry at their place in the pantheon lost,

And at madmen theorising in rhyme?

 

...

 

(Yeah, I have absolutely no idea why I did that...?)

 

:huh:


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I'm going to toss in another element here that supports this notion (I had an electric "aha!" moment a while back when it struck me that I'm seeing a mighty big link between Dirthamen and Fen'Harel/Solas and I just thought of this upon reading your post, accompanied by a warm, fuzzy feeling that I'm not crazy): the concept of Rahu and Ketu from Hinduism, who is literally split into two entities (a severed head and the body) that never meet. In fact, the entire concept of Rahu and Ketu could be describing Fen'Harel in a sense: Rahu is the "enemy of the luminaries," "lord of illusion," "bestower of wealth and knowledge" and together they are responsible for eclipses, too, Rahu for the Sun, Ketu for the Moon. (Yep, I know quite a bit of Vedic stuff in general thanks to my dad.) This I think is a good parallel for Dirthamen and Falon'Din even if we put aside the connection to Solas, of course, given their twin nature, but I see this supporting an overall connection to this concept, especially upon psychoanalyzing Solas.

 

*gasps* ...and now that I've spent hours replying to posts, I really ought to get some sleep...  :lol: you guyyyys keep my brain cogs so busyyyy....

 

You're not crazy!  ...or if you are, at least you have company.  Conceptually, that parallel is brilliant.   It's absolutely there- it fits far too well to brush off as coincidence.  

 

*smacks a hand to her forehead*

 

And of course, the connection between Fen'Harel and eclipses just dawned on me- the Moon literally overshadowing the Sun.  

 

I feel like an idiot now, but in the best way possible. ^w^

 

I see what you're getting at but I think you may be reading more into what is there than was intended.  My own field is literary analysis and I'm always having to be careful to keep what I think the writer should be saying, and what they are saying separate in my head (I'm not the biggest fan of death of the author).

 

That's a fair point.  We definitely have to be cautious drawing on real-world concepts to frame in-game lore, but the relationship between the two sources (and what allows us to use the former at all) lies in understanding that they are fundamentally connected.  This gets a little meta, so stay with me, but a myriad of in-game references point to the game world as having, from a certain perspective, the same relationship to our world as the fade has to Thedas itself.   Like the fade, it is a world molded by the desires and intent of the sentient minds within it: the players- and where the geography, biology, religions and physics of the "real" world are warped, but never broken.   Thedas is, to tie into the larger theme, our own world through a glass darkly.

 
From a slightly different perspective, the connection can also be understood as that of a sister universe in the context of a multiverse.  There are multiple in-game hints of this parallel existence (extensive historic/sociopolitical near-parallels, as well as much of Cole’s “easter egg” dialogue) with the game itself essentially acting as bridge between the two, our computer screens metaphorical eluvian allowing one (the universe of Thedas) to reach out to another (our own) for help.
 
Critically, this connection not only allows the writers to provide indirect hints about the nature of the DA universe by linking it with concepts in our own, but also allows us (in a cautious and far more limited way) to consider the inverse: how known systems of faith, neurology, biology, physics, and other real-world concepts might usefully map back to the world of Thedas.  
 
GRAAAH  and I am out of time.  Thoughts on other posts when back from house-hunting.

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Art time

 

hehehe....and yet another adorable comic by liliumsnow

http://liliumsnow.de...roves-533797357

 

 

Solas and Lavellan

http://aradaheshu.de...ellan-533828696

 

Skyrim and Dragon Age

http://shersann.devi...kyrim-533793369

 

Sketch

http://panda1148.dev...Solas-533798632

 

Doodles

http://subomouse.dev...ation-533756281

 

 

 

Well hello there, Zevran   :wub:   (maybe NSFW,..he's in his undies)

http://chancing.devi...flies-533797990


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Aww man, for a moment I thought it actually was of Sketch. He was just too cute in Leliana's Song. Pity what they did to him in DA2. :P


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Aww man, for a moment I thought it actually was of Sketch. He was just too cute in Leliana's Song. Pity what they did to him in DA2. :P

Sadly, I don't think I've ever seen any art of Sketch. :(  I haven't really looked though.



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Aww man, for a moment I thought it actually was of Sketch. He was just too cute in Leliana's Song. Pity what they did to him in DA2. :P

 

My Sketch is modded to look like he did in DA2.

 

He's so adorable in that.


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Somewhat off-topic, but I met a fellow Solas fan at the LA Renaissance Faire yesterday while I was wearing the hermit tarot shirt! So on the very slim off-chance that you're on BSN, it was nice to meet you!  ^_^


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Aww man, for a moment I thought it actually was of Sketch. He was just too cute in Leliana's Song. Pity what they did to him in DA2. :P

 

I always wondered if Sketch really was in all that trouble in DA2, or was Varric just engaging in some meta-humour at Cassandra's expense?

 

Turns out that Sketch's friendship with a writer lead to a lot of tall-tales being told about him, causing him to now be hunted by a bunch of various factions from all across Thedas? Now where have I heard that story before, it sounds so oddly familiar?

 

:P



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I always wondered if Sketch really was in all that trouble in DA2, or was Varric just engaging in some meta-humour at Cassandra's expense?

 

Turns out that Sketch's friendship with a writer lead to a lot of tall-tales being told about him, causing him to now be hunted by a bunch of various factions from all across Thedas? Now where have I heard that story before, it sounds so oddly familiar?

 

:P

 

World of Thedas 2 has a bit to say about Sketch and implies that his part in DA2 was real.

 

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You guys make me so happy <3
  Just finished my second year of uni and picked up a copy of World of Thedas 2. IT IS SO CHUNKY! At least double to size of the first! Time to lose myself in lore again <3.

  (Ps. I merged a few origin accounts together, resulting in me needing to make a new forum account!) 


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A curious thought occured to me late last night,
As I wandered through the tomes of lore.
The Elven slaves forgot most of their Gods,
So did the Creators perhaps number more?
 
Perhaps this lead to the Forgotten Ones,
Creators with with names lost to time?
Angry at their place in the pantheon lost,
And at madmen theorising in rhyme?
 
...
 
(Yeah, I have absolutely no idea why I did that...?)
 
:huh:


Was going to quote this earlier, but got side-tracked.

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Awesome little ditty, and I hum at the same tune. :whistle:

;)
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#102040
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*glances at bookcase*

*glances at wallet*

... :(

I'll just wait for people to post more juicy bits to dissect.  :lol:

 

Hey Caddius! I saw this part and thought of you! 
 

Brother Ferdinand Genitivi on Beyond Thedas, Excerpted from In Pursuit of Knowledge: The Travels of a Chantry Scholar, Volume II

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(Apologies if this has already been recited!) 


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Anything about the Tirashan in WoT2?

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A curious thought occured to me late last night,

As I wandered through the tomes of lore.

The Elven slaves forgot most of their Gods,

So did the Creators perhaps number more?

 

Perhaps this lead to the Forgotten Ones,

Creators with with names lost to time?

Angry at their place in the pantheon lost,

And at madmen theorising in rhyme?

 

...

 

(Yeah, I have absolutely no idea why I did that...?)

 

:huh:

 

Thoughts skitter in my mind to mirror

thine glimpses of lore and craft: the Gods

surely numbered more, for such is the way of

myth and fact; in the direst corners of elven

minds, gods of malice have a place in kind:

locked away and "forgotten" 'neath the sun,

yet always lurking in the beyond...

 

In fact, I believe that the Forgotten Ones becoming the Forgotten Ones may be the first step down the road of the Elvhen's downfall in the first place; much as suppressing the Shadow and ignoring it results in the Shadow exploding forth in unpredictable ways.

 

(You did it because THE MUSE!!! :wub: )


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You're not crazy!  ...or if you are, at least you have company.  Conceptually, that parallel is brilliant.   It's absolutely there- it fits far too well to brush off as coincidence.  

 

*smacks a hand to her forehead*

 

And of course, the connection between Fen'Harel and eclipses just dawned on me- the Moon literally overshadowing the Sun.  

 

I feel like an idiot now, but in the best way possible. ^w^

 

 

That's a fair point.  We definitely have to be cautious drawing on real-world concepts to frame in-game lore, but the relationship between the two sources (and what allows us to use the former at all) lies in understanding that they are fundamentally connected.  This gets a little meta, so stay with me, but a myriad of in-game references point to the game world as having, from a certain perspective, the same relationship to our world as the fade has to Thedas itself.   Like the fade, it is a world molded by the desires and intent of the sentient minds within it: the players- and where the geography, biology, religions and physics of the "real" world are warped, but never broken.   Thedas is, to tie into the larger theme, our own world through a glass darkly.

 
From a slightly different perspective, the connection can also be understood as that of a sister universe in the context of a multiverse.  There are multiple in-game hints of this parallel existence (extensive historic/sociopolitical near-parallels, as well as much of Cole’s “easter egg” dialogue) with the game itself essentially acting as bridge between the two, our computer screens metaphorical eluvian allowing one (the universe of Thedas) to reach out to another (our own) for help.
 
Critically, this connection not only allows the writers to provide indirect hints about the nature of the DA universe by linking it with concepts in our own, but also allows us (in a cautious and far more limited way) to consider the inverse: how known systems of faith, neurology, biology, physics, and other real-world concepts might usefully map back to the world of Thedas.  
 
GRAAAH  and I am out of time.  Thoughts on other posts when back from house-hunting.

 

 

:lol: YAY! I knew there was something to this.

 

I agree with the rest, too; including the multiverse idea, in fact.......

 

Ok, really, I shouldn't get into this, my brain is already exploding with all my correspondences here.  :D

 

(But can I resist.........?  <_< )

 

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Good luck in the house-hunting!  :D


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Hey Caddius! I saw this part and thought of you! 
 

Brother Ferdinand Genitivi on Beyond Thedas, Excerpted from In Pursuit of Knowledge: The Travels of a Chantry Scholar, Volume II

Spoiler

(Apologies if this has already been recited!) 

I got the cliff-notes version a few days ago. This has a lot of extra goodies in it, though. :D Thank ye kindly, Sister Squish. 

The Parladians definitely stick out. Grumpy isolationists that even the Qunari haven't tried invading.  :lol: If only it would mentioned if they were humans or some other weird Northern species like the Fex; if they're human, I could buy that they're close to humanity's original homeland. Sort of a Pacific Islander style island hopping migration until the mass of humans that are sick of fishing make landfall near modern-day Minrathous.

Amaranth is definitely going to become important. As is the 'cataclysm' the Voshai are talking about.  B)


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JOH is the only exclusive DLC. It's thought that's why it's basically a new area with its own plot rather than building on the game's plot.  As for the PJs: official word is they're not getting changed.

 

 

Are you sure? I mean I hope it's true, but all I recall being officially stated is that the first story DLC was going to be exclusive. I don't recall hearing anything about it being the only one that will be exclusive, but I keep seeing people say that JOH will be the only one. Did I miss an announcement on this somewhere? :unsure:

 

EDIT: SOURCE.

 

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Are you sure? I mean I hope it's true, but all I recall being officially stated is that the first story DLC was going to be exclusive. I don't recall hearing anything about it being the only one that will be exclusive, but I keep seeing people say that JOH will be the only one. Did I miss an announcement on this somewhere? :unsure:

 

EDIT: SOURCE.

 

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I am 99% sure that is correct.  I think I remember reading that it would only be the first DLC that had the exclusivity deal.  I was mentioned way back, possibly in the News and Announcements section.


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@Moirin - I sort of recall seeing a "tweet" in the Twitter Thread - quoting possibly Mike Laidlaw (??) - that stated only the first story DLC would be a timed exclusive (with XB1). A few of the regular posters could probably dig it up, if you are wishing to ask. I am terrible at all things Twitter, so I avoid (except for reading the Twitter Thread ;) ).

However, this is going off of my rather flimsy 45yr old memory, which used to be much sharper. :pinched:
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@Moirin - I sort of recall seeing a "tweet" in the Twitter Thread - quoting possibly Mike Laidlaw (??) - that stated only the first story DLC would be a timed exclusive (with XB1). A few of the regular posters could probably dig it up, if you are wishing to ask. I am terrible at all things Twitter, so I avoid (except for reading the Twitter Thread ;) ).

However, this is going off of my rather flimsy 45yr old memory, which used to be much sharper. :pinched:

 

@Moirin - I sort of recall seeing a "tweet" in the Twitter Thread - quoting possibly Mike Laidlaw (??) - that stated only the first story DLC would be a timed exclusive (with XB1). A few of the regular posters could probably dig it up, if you are wishing to ask. I am terrible at all things Twitter, so I avoid (except for reading the Twitter Thread ;) ).

However, this is going off of my rather flimsy 45yr old memory, which used to be much sharper. :pinched:

Yeah, before the game shipped, the timed exclusive was announced. But I remember dark speculation by a lot of gaming sites that it was possible that they'd made a deal for more exclusives. *shrug* We'll see.

I'm just saying, Bioware. The PS4 players I know are pretty scary people.  :lol:


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I am 99% sure that is correct.  I think I remember reading that it would only be the first DLC that had the exclusivity deal.  I was mentioned way back, possibly in the News and Announcements section.

 

@Moirin - I sort of recall seeing a "tweet" in the Twitter Thread - quoting possibly Mike Laidlaw (??) - that stated only the first story DLC would be a timed exclusive (with XB1). A few of the regular posters could probably dig it up, if you are wishing to ask. I am terrible at all things Twitter, so I avoid (except for reading the Twitter Thread ).

However, this is going off of my rather flimsy 45yr old memory, which used to be much sharper.

 

Ah I see. Well thank you both for the information. I will have to dig around for it I suppose. :)

 

Yeah, before the game shipped, the timed exclusive was announced. But I remember dark speculation by a lot of gaming sites that it was possible that they'd made a deal for more exclusives. *shrug* We'll see.

 

Yes, this is what information  I remember hearing about the timed exclusives, but I keep seeing others saying it will only be JOH, which is why I asked. :)


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@Moirin - Totally fair, asking this question. Hopefully it is some of us remembering correctly, and not just "wishful thinking". :unsure:
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