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[Caddius]

He is saying exactly this: "She is right about only one thing: we should take the power which lies in that well."

 

And I translate it as while she is right about only one thing - you should drink rather than her. So I was really surprised by his "claim of begging not to drink" afterwards. Too bad it wasn't there especially if he was in relationship with Inquisitor. I would't and didn't drink anyway (this was just out of curiosity) but...

 

Besides I would bet that in my first playthrough with circle mage he said something like "Let her drink it, while she is willing to pay the price". Somebody surely said that - anyone knows?

I'm pretty sure Morrigan pissed Solas off, and he was using reverse psychology to keep her from approaching the Well with caution. Snooty human mage enslaved to my elven BFF that she dismisses as a legend well worth the price, I think was his line of thought.

 

I am very intrigued by everything to do with the Sun, Madrar. I'm willing to buy that the wrecked land next to the Abyssal Rift is largely a consequence of the Blight. The Western Approach was a fairly pleasant and fertile backwater, and the Anderfels seem to have undergone a similar transformation. But maybe the Sun is imprisoned below and is itself tainted, and that's what caused the breakthrough in the first place. *shrug*

[Sifr]

*sigh* I'm also approaching going to the Temple of Mythal for the second time....and returning from that....well we all know what that means. I'm actually avoiding it and have been questing absolutely everywhere and doing anything I possibly can before having to open that awful can of worms. Again. I'm a bit low on Nutella at the moment.....

 

=(

 

You know what is a good nutella fix... playing DA2 again?

 

[Caddius]

You remember that feeling we all got when the first Inquisition trailer came out, and Varric turned his handsome mug to the camera and we realized that he was going to be back in a major way?

*wiggles in joy*

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http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2015/05/19/watch-the-witcher-3-gameplay-launch-trailer/

That feeling, five times in a row.

[Caddius]

Ummm, I'd like to throw out a question mostly because you folks here seem to have your minds wrapped around the world of Thedas much better than I do. And I am sure this has come up before......but I am very late to the party and going through 4000+ posts is fun, but this is something that has been itching my mind the most since I finished the game and I would really like to hear thoughts.

 

Spoilered for spoilery type things.

 

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What do you guys think Solas is actually trying to do? I mean......I don't think it makes much sense that he would go release the Elvhen gods right? He seemed to have some serious distaste towards them. Or do you think he is actually planning to take down the Veil? Or...something else? Like go to the Black City himself....because with a second play through I have really noticed that Solas doesn't say anything unless it has value to it. And if you take him with you to Adamant and he ends up in the Fade with you....he comments on how the Black City is close enough to touch. I also know that there is the theory out there that the Black City is actually Arlathan...so...yeah....

 

And to add to that....if Solas were to take down the Veil...wouldn't that take away the Anchor's power? Because...the Inquisitor is sort of like a key to the Veil right? That's how Dagna described it I think. So....no door....no real need for a key?

 

Anyway....those kinds of things have been itching the brain as I'm sure anyone who played the game.

 

*sigh* I'm also approaching going to the Temple of Mythal for the second time....and returning from that....well we all know what that means. I'm actually avoiding it and have been questing absolutely everywhere and doing anything I possibly can before having to open that awful can of worms. Again. I'm a bit low on Nutella at the moment.....

 

=(

Theories off the top of my head that have been discussed and dismissed and reinforced and so on :

1) Tear down the Veil.

2) Reinforce the gods' prison, as they can now reach into the Fade and affect things.

3) Release the gods. (Highly unlikely).

4) Cure the gods. 

5) Gather the Ancient Elves for a Secret Mission.

6) Gather the Ancient Elves and oppose the Executors.

7) Establish the Temple of Sacred Asses.

Ultimately, Solas does a little too good of a job obfuscating his goals for us to have solid guesses. I really doubt he's releasing the gods. Cole comforts him by telling him he was right. He's probably trying to undo the effects of sealing them away, without actually releasing six blighted gods on Thedas.

[Nehn]

I finished The Calling!
 

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And now I need to visit The Keep and change my world state to list the Architect as dead.

 
*sigh*

I've read the Calling too, but I have to ask why?

On an unrelated note: OMG. You can get Dorian and Iron Bull to start dating each other. All those shipping fanart make sense now. Though I worry for Dorian ... Gonna completely hook them up now in my playthrough.

[ChuChu]

QFT.   If a theory can't withstand critique, it doesn't deserve the brain space.  Nobody here should ever hold back from ripping apart my posts because they're worried about bruised feelings or stepping on toes.

 

Tear it all apart, rip out the bits that don't work, sew it back together.  Rinse, repeat.

 

I have faith we'll eventually get this monster to live.  @w@

Don't worry! You can count on us. I may question the theories that come up (and I'll pointedly say so, if I have doubts), but I'll never discourage anyone from making them 8D 

Another off topic question for the thread that has probably been discussed before: what's the running theory on Skyhold's history and its.... bigness? Dragons?

[ChuChu]

Theories off the top of my head that have been discussed and dismissed and reinforced and so on :

1) Tear down the Veil.

2) Reinforce the gods' prison, as they can now reach into the Fade and affect things.

3) Release the gods. (Highly unlikely).

4) Cure the gods. 

5) Gather the Ancient Elves for a Secret Mission.

6) Gather the Ancient Elves and oppose the Executors.

7) Establish the Temple of Sacred Asses.

Ultimately, Solas does a little too good of a job obfuscating his goals for us to have solid guesses. I really doubt he's releasing the gods. Cole comforts him by telling him he was right. He's probably trying to undo the effects of sealing them away, without actually releasing six blighted gods on Thedas.

I think it's all three bolded, combined 8D

Also there's a theory that the dragons were used to seal the old gods away and entered uthenara to dream through eternity, never dying, a constant prison (so to speak). But they aren't sealed away because they're evil. They're sealed away to act as protection wards from something else. And Solas knows what it all is, so he's trying to prevent it. As each dragon is twisted in to an arch demon and slain, the world is one step closer to unleashing whatever was sealed away so carefully!

Oh wait, that's my theory. Sorry, sorry.

I toss my bit in to establishing the Temple of Sacred Solas Ass.

[Caddius]

Don't worry! You can count on us. I may question the theories that come up (and I'll pointedly say so, if I have doubts), but I'll never discourage anyone from making them 8D 

Another off topic question for the thread that has probably been discussed before: what's the running theory on Skyhold's history and its.... bigness? Dragons?

I think it's probably another mountain temple like Mythal's over the Temple of Sacred Ashes. Gatsi's entries about the room where Dagna and Harritt hang out mention it being warped by incredible heat. A hangar for the local god and high priests, able to pop into dragon form and fly wherever they liked. I'm betting it was Solas's, by how happy he seems to return, that he only turns it over to the Inquisition when he sees that it is necessary, and that the name hints towards the Veil being constructed, as well as 'the Veil is old here'. 

The various owl statues may point to a less pleasant god than Fen'harel, of course. (It having an influence on the latest iteration of builders, perhaps?) Or it could point to the Triple Threat Theory.

[Caddius]

I think it's all three bolded, combined 8D

Also there's a theory that the dragons were used to seal the old gods away and entered uthenara to dream through eternity, never dying, a constant prison (so to speak). But they aren't sealed away because they're evil. They're sealed away to act as protection wards from something else. And Solas knows what it all is, so he's trying to prevent it. As each dragon is twisted in to an arch demon and slain, the world is one step closer to unleashing whatever was sealed away so carefully!

Oh wait, that's my theory. Sorry, sorry.

I toss my bit in to establishing the Temple of Sacred Solas Ass.

You weren't around for this bit, were you?

http://slayerofkilla...for-reals-solas

http://slayerofkillabee.tumblr.com/

 

Also, as for your theory, YES.

That makes sense! I like that!

But what was sealed away? The Sun? The Forgotten Ones? The Blight itself?

That would also explain why Mythal is interested in preserving them, besides the obvious power gain. Preserving an Old God soul would presumably keep another pillar of the earth from falling.

[ChuChu]

You weren't around for this bit, were you?

http://slayerofkilla...for-reals-solas

http://slayerofkillabee.tumblr.com/

 

Also, as for your theory, YES.

That makes sense! I like that!

But what was sealed away? The Sun? The Forgotten Ones? The Blight itself?

That would also explain why Mythal is interested in preserving them, besides the obvious power gain. Preserving an Old God soul would presumably keep another pillar of the earth from falling.

I wasn't here for that! And it is amazing.
-follows-

[Heidirs]

I've read the Calling too, but I have to ask why?

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Because his plan isn't just to make intelligent darkspawn that can choose not to seek out the old gods, but also to taint the world, killing a majority of the population and leaving a world of darkspawn and darkspawn-transformed humans.

[madrar]

 I am bothered that our "Egyptian" elements seem to be shared all over the Thedosian map! We have Pyramids of Par Vollen, emblaming of Nevarra, and this wonderful parallel between the Cult of Andraste and the Sun Cult. (Anyone able to clarify the geography of these things would be splendid!) Now we also have the striking resemblance to the "spiritual waters" of The Nile in that section of The Chant of Light pertaining to a battle in "the lands of "Planasene" (Nevarra): 

<snip snip>

 

Yeah.  @w@   From a certain perspective, it makes sense that all of the human cultures we encounter have modified Egyptian elements, since in theory northern Africa / Par Vollen is where humanity came from, but the elvhen parallels seem to have been around since time immemorial, which breaks my mind a bit.  

 

Two things don't quite make sense to me.  First, the full-body canopic jars that appear to be Elvhenan-era.  Obviously, there's no reason for these to exist until mortality crept in - the living lived, and those that tired of life entered Uthenera-  but I can't understand the nature of the transition.  What were they trying to achieve?  Why did the body need to be preserved?  Were they just imitating existing human practice as a response to mortality?

 

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Second, why does it seem like the Avvar are the only ones who have entirely abandoned the practice? It seems like we can trace equivalent urn-caskets to every other group I can think of.

 

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-JoH spoiler-

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Maybe this is Ghil and Andruil flipping the bird at Order, since it's essentially using the residual Life in the body to feed other Life.  The implication that normal sky burial releases Avvar dead from the reincarnation cycle seems critical, since we learn in JoH they believe only a select few with stand-in sacrifices (of Life) can be reborn. *shakes head in confusion*  I'm totally lost on this point.

 

And then we have these inexplicably oversized sarcophagi, with no obvious tie to... anyone, really.  The images on each makes me wonder if there's an ancient elvhen mage (arcane horror) / warrior (revenant) connection, but that's 100% baseless speculation.

 

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*lies down on the floor*   blergh, I give up.

 

I kind of like the "disk" in the Sun "disk" God implying a reflective surface... a mere reflection of a "real" god (If this does parallel Andraste then pssst, girl, your maker is well suspicious!)

 

Oooh, I like this!  Also, it just kicked me in the brain about this particular statuary:

 

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Elgar'nan triumphant over the defeated Sun?  (Osiris taking over for Ra?)  Seems like a nice fit, though that would mean that Skyhold is absolutely crawling with pre-triumph Elgar'nan statuary, and that... that can't possibly be right.  ...Can it?   I mean, Skyhold's construction and use "holding the Sky back" works just fine in the timeline, but Morrigan makes such a big deal about how wards against the Darkness have seeped into the very stone...

 

*clutches her head*

 

WEEKES.  LITTLE HINT HERE. 

[Caddius]

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Because his plan isn't just to make intelligent darkspawn that can choose not to seek out the old gods, but also to taint the world, killing a majority of the population and leaving a world of darkspawn and darkspawn-transformed humans.

He resorts to the plan in Awakening because he accepts that the one in The Calling wasn't going to work. He tried making people darkspawn, then he tried making darkspawn people. What's next? Who knows? 

There's no need to kill my waifu. 

[madrar]

Ummm, I'd like to throw out a question mostly because you folks here seem to have your minds wrapped around the world of Thedas much better than I do. And I am sure this has come up before......but I am very late to the party and going through 4000+ posts is fun, but this is something that has been itching my mind the most since I finished the game and I would really like to hear thoughts.

 

<snip>

 

[~cut 'n paste from another thread~]

 

I think he's planning a trip to the Void to release the Forgotten Ones.  Hints about Solas' preoccupation with "his people" and the mistakes of his past are sprinkled around pretty liberally, but the most direct hint is when Cole attempts to explain why he had to abandon Lavellan:

 

"He hurts, an old pain from before, when everything sang the same.  You're real, and it means everyone could be real.  It changes everything, but it can't.  They sleep, masked in a mirror, hiding, hurting, and to wake them..."

 

...at which point, Solas shuts him down hard.  Now consider Cole's description in parallel with the "Whispers Written in Red Lyrium":

 

We are here

We have waited

We have slept

We are sundered

We are crippled

We are polluted

We endure

We wait

We have found the dreams again

We will awaken.

 

Elgar'nan has been using the Void as the Pantheon's Guantanamo since time immemorial, and it's worth noting that its first prisoner was the Sun- theoretical source of red lyrium.  It seems possible, if not likely, that the Forgotten Ones imprisoned in the same space have become infected in the ages since.  Given that, the mirror described is most likely Elgar'nan's eluvian, currently located in the (physical) Black City.

 

As for Solas' potential interest in waking them: these were his brothers in arms against the forces of Order, and therefore potential staunch allies against the rising threat to come.  Unfortunately, although Solas may be able to enter the Void without Elgar'nan's key (Dalish myth implies that he lifted a secret path from Andruil's mind) it would still require an incredible amount of power to do so.  

 

This, I think, was the original purpose he had for Mythal's orb.  Without it, I think he was left with two options: attempt to reclaim the Inquisitor's mark (which we know from Corypheus would require her death- an apparently unthinkable option, given how abruptly he slams the door on Cole) or to sacrifice the last of Mythal's internal, self-sustaining power.  DAI's final scene seems to reveal his choice, but whether the rest of this theory is accurate... 

 

*shrug*   

 

...we'll have to wait and see.   ^w^

[Moirin]

He is saying exactly this: "She is right about only one thing: we should take the power which lies in that well."

 

And I translate it as while she is right about only one thing - you should drink rather than her. So I was really surprised by his "claim of begging not to drink" afterwards. Too bad it wasn't there especially if he was in relationship with Inquisitor. I would't and didn't drink anyway (this was just out of curiosity) but...

 

Besides I would bet that in my first playthrough with circle mage he said something like "Let her drink it, while she is willing to pay the price". Somebody surely said that - anyone knows?

 

Yeah, that's what I interpreted it as too. I don't think Solas says the "Let her drink it, while she is willing to pay the price", but I think Dorian says something similar, "Let her have it, if she wants it so badly" is something like what Dorian says.

[CapricornSun]

Again, sorry for the interruption. *ahem* Art! 

 

Solavellan forehead kisses.

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http://kekecocoa.tum...forehead-kisses

 

 

Modern AU Solavellan. Solas and Lavellan on a bike. :3

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http://fadetonguedon...-he-can-tell-im

 

 

Love the robes he's wearing.

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http://thesilverspar...las-on-accident

 

 

Solas ain't gonna be happy when he wakes up.

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http://pissedchan.tu...this-already-or

 

 

 

Aaaand a little something I did for my tumblr art blog milestone. :3

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http://sunnyartthing...pened-but-i-now

 

[NightSymphony]

Yay!!  Congratulations on 400 followers, Sunny!

 

[CapricornSun]

Yay!!  Congratulations on 400 followers, Sunny!

 

 

Thanks, dear! 

(LOL at dancing Fenris. xD)

[Cee]

Love that art you did for your art blog. Solas disapproves.

 

I have still not gotten too far into WoT2 due to some real life stuff going on, so I feel out of the loop, but I hope to stop skipping these posts soon enough.

[Cee]

Played briefly on my mage tonight and mostly did lots of talking to people in Haven and practical things. I find myself a little tempted away from another Solas romance by Sera....though both have their own measures of difficulty. But I've been playing my mage with a more middle option sass and Sera is even cuter....but ugh her railing against 'elfy' things and making a Lavellan work harder to win her over and deny parts of herself or change....

 

If only I made my original human mage concept. I just didn't want to get race gated out of Solas, because you all understand....

[Ilwerin]

This, I think, was the original purpose he had for Mythal's orb.  Without it, I think he was left with two options: attempt to reclaim the Inquisitor's mark (which we know from Corypheus would require her death- an apparently unthinkable option, given how abruptly he slams the door on Cole) or to sacrifice the last of Mythal's internal, self-sustaining power.  DAI's final scene seems to reveal his choice, but whether the rest of this theory is accurate... 

I disagree. Do you think he would rather sacrifice his friend Mythal, than hated inquisitor (not everyone was his lover)? Besides, maybe I am wrong (as non native english speaker I sometimes understand things differently  - well except Sera - I don't  understand the meaning of more than a half of everything she says ), but I had a feeling, that the Mark is unremovable - death or no.

[Caddius]

I disagree. Do you think he would rather sacrifice his friend Mythal, than hated inquisitor (not everyone was his lover)? Besides, maybe I am wrong (as non native english speaker I sometimes understand things differently  - well except Sera - I don't  understand the meaning of more than a half of everything she says ), but I had a feeling, that the Mark is unremovable - death or no.

Yeah, Corypheus certainly seems to think that it can't be removed. (His look of confusion at Haven. "How does this stupid thing work, ugh, I'm never picking up weird crap in ancient temples again!"  ) If it could be removed while alive, Solas would have done it while the freshly seared Herald was asleep at Haven. It's possible that he could remove it and Corypheus just didn't have the knowledge, but I doubt it.

I think he's so upset by the loss of the Orb because it was his one clear shot at getting the power he needed. But when the Well of Sorrows was revealed to be in prime condition, he was clued in that Mythal had endured everything and was still active in the world. So now it's the Orb or his best friend dying (again).

Mythal doesn't really seem to have much hesitation in sacrificing herself. Perhaps Flemeth was ready to move on, now that she could give Mythal up to Morrigan and the power to Solas? Really makes me curious about the differences in their goals, though.

[Gwyvian]

I think it's all three bolded, combined 8D

Also there's a theory that the dragons were used to seal the old gods away and entered uthenara to dream through eternity, never dying, a constant prison (so to speak). But they aren't sealed away because they're evil. They're sealed away to act as protection wards from something else. And Solas knows what it all is, so he's trying to prevent it. As each dragon is twisted in to an arch demon and slain, the world is one step closer to unleashing whatever was sealed away so carefully!

Oh wait, that's my theory. Sorry, sorry.

I toss my bit in to establishing the Temple of Sacred Solas Ass.

 

I know I keep bringing up the Wheel of Time, but so far there have been a LOT of parallels there, so....

 

Upon reading this, I instantly thought this: what if the Archdemons are kind of like the seals on the Dark One's prison? I.e. each time an Archdemon is slain, this prison you mention becomes closer to being opened, where in Thedas it is not necessarily the Dark One who is lurking (although, why not? It would make sense to seal away some great evil) and like the seals, they are "infected" by that evil, i.e. they radiate it until they are broken. The seals are made of Quendilar, which is indestructible by even the One Power (parallel: the Archdemons cannot be slain except by a Grey Warden, who doesn't actually slay it entirely, rather he/she essentially "accepts the soul" into him/herself where it is subsequently destroyed for... lack of compatibility?), yet the seals break anyway for reasons unknown (i.e. there is a force in existence that can destroy it).

 

In other words, what if the Archdemons aren't the corrupted Old Gods literally, but more like a remote connection to them?

 

I'm pretty sure someone's going to come up with a succinct answer as to why this is all wrong, but at any rate, I'd like to know those reasons!   I need to fill in gaps in my lore anyway.

[Caddius]

I know I keep bringing up the Wheel of Time, but so far there have been a LOT of parallels there, so....

 

Upon reading this, I instantly thought this: what if the Archdemons are kind of like the seals on the Dark One's prison? I.e. each time an Archdemon is slain, this prison you mention becomes closer to being opened, where in Thedas it is not necessarily the Dark One who is lurking (although, why not? It would make sense to seal away some great evil) and like the seals, they are "infected" by that evil, i.e. they radiate it until they are broken. The seals are made of Quendilar, which is indestructible by even the One Power (parallel: the Archdemons cannot be slain except by a Grey Warden, who doesn't actually slay it entirely, rather he/she essentially "accepts the soul" into him/herself where it is subsequently destroyed for... lack of compatibility?), yet the seals break anyway for reasons unknown (i.e. there is a force in existence that can destroy it).

 

In other words, what if the Archdemons aren't the corrupted Old Gods literally, but more like a remote connection to them?

 

I'm pretty sure someone's going to come up with a succinct answer as to why this is all wrong, but at any rate, I'd like to know those reasons!   I need to fill in gaps in my lore anyway.

Watch out for pale horses, guys. 

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I couldn't help it. The narrator for it has gone on at great length about 'broken seals' and '-15 to fertility why did you go north you idiot you've doomed us all'.

So perhaps the Archdemons were originally the physical shells of something more powerful? Something bound into the dragons so that they could be trapped below ground? Not killed by Arlathan, because they were still needed?

The Warden and Old God Souls colliding equaling the death of both becomes curious indeed.

[ChuChu]

I know I keep bringing up the Wheel of Time, but so far there have been a LOT of parallels there, so....

In other words, what if the Archdemons aren't the corrupted Old Gods literally, but more like a remote connection to them?

 

 

 

So perhaps the Archdemons were originally the physical shells of something more powerful? Something bound into the dragons so that they could be trapped below ground? Not killed by Arlathan, because they were still needed?

I'm one of those horrible people who hasn't read the WoT series. I want to! I am just afraid to, honestly. BUT I like where that thought is going! I kind of thought perhaps there is an infection, too, I just didn't know how to explain it. Dragons are really resistant to the blight, I'm sure that would play a part in it. And the music... when its twisted to be sick, it super charges the infection? I like the theory mentioned earlier about the prison, though, and a cancerous infection kind of slowly oozing out. 

And something just occurred to me. What if shape changing was a thing back then? And the Arch Demons aren't just dragons, they are elves who shape shifted in to dragons?

And now for something TOTALLY different, I got bored. Have an arty Solas thing!

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