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And the presumable Titan that the Tevinter architect (er, not the Architect, the guy that made the giant statues in the Western Approach and elsewhere) met wants to find the 'blood of the world' so he doesn't die of (I'm guessing) starvation, and the guy thinks he's talking about lyrium.

So the Arlathani elves and Creators, plus dragons.

And Titans and presumably dwarves.

And the 'Pillars of the Earth' and their 'mindless' servants, possibly proto-darkspawn, possibly the Old Gods, possibly the Titans and proto-dwarves. *strokes beard*

 

Pretty sure that was a transformers easter egg. But i certainly hope it's more than that because GIANT TALKING STATUES.

 

http://forum.bioware...stern-approach/



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Pretty sure that was a transformers easter egg. But i certainly hope it's more than that.

 

http://forum.bioware...stern-approach/

Oh, those references went over my head.  :lol:

But yeah, the 'blood of the earth' phrase seems to be too important for it to be 'just' a Transformers allusion.  ^_^


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They were probably just re-using the area. But I imagine Morrigan either brought the eluvian there or rebuilt it there, since it's the same Eluvian from the Dalish origin and probably to make use of the power in the area.

 

Someone on the forums said that after Morrigan used it once it stopped working, so she had to get a new one. Probably the one she was working on in the last court, that appears in DAI. I think that's because of Merril, since she was also using shards from the same Eluvian Morrigan first used. Irrelevant, but still thought i'd mention it.

 

They were probably just re-using the area. But I imagine Morrigan either brought the eluvian there or rebuilt it there, since it's the same Eluvian from the Dalish origin and probably to make use of the power in the area.

 

Someone on the forums said that after Morrigan used it once it stopped working, so she had to get a new one. Probably the one she was working on in the last court, that appears in DAI. I think that's because of Merril, since she was also using shards from the same Eluvian Morrigan first used. Irrelevant, but still thought i'd mention it.

http://dragonage.wik...om/wiki/Eluvian

It's been awhile, but it's claimed that the one from the Dalish origin was used to scry for the one in the Dragonbone Wastes?  :huh: Duncan really needs to work on his shattering skills, I guess. I'm confused. I should go play Witch Hunt again and just shut up.  :lol:

Also, doubly impressive that Merrill managed to almost recreate an Eluvian from just a shard of it.


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Even more impressive (but not talked about enough) is that she was able to remove the taint in that shard



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http://dragonage.wik...om/wiki/Eluvian

It's been awhile, but it's claimed that the one from the Dalish origin was used to scry for the one in the Dragonbone Wastes?  :huh: Duncan really needs to work on his shattering skills, I guess. I'm confused. I should go play Witch Hunt again and just shut up.  :lol:

Also, doubly impressive that Merrill managed to almost recreate an Eluvian from just a shard of it.

 

Ah my mistake then. It's been a while since i last played Witch Hunt.

 

But yeah, Merril's pretty impressive. Wish that plotline went better. Her eluvian makes an appearance in the crossroads in dai. Can only see it through flycam tho.



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It it weird to just come in and only say i miss Solas? :wub:


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It it weird to just come in and only say i miss Solas? :wub:

 

Not at all. You're just saying what we all feel  :P


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It it weird to just come in and only say i miss Solas? :wub:


Only if it is weird that I showed up to help get over my second play through of the waterfall scene.

It hurt just as bad as the first time. If not, more so.

And also led to an empty jar of Nutella.
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How exactly is it pronounced, then? :D

Where do you fall on the great 'Who were the Huns, actually?' I figured I might as well ask if there's an actual Magyar in the thread. :P (I avoid Hungarian, because puns area weakness of mine and I've been really trying to Czech myself before someone slaps me. :unsure: ) I've been hearing more about the Sumerian-Hun-Maygar connection lately, which is interesting, but the whole field is well above my pay grade.  :lol:

By physical shells, I was more musing that there might be some kind of Fade entity or Void entity that interacts with Thedas through the dragon form, whether it was possessed, created, or what-have-you.

As for Urthemiel, he does have a certain sense of poetry. Sending Tamlen as an assassin after Mahariel was a very dark, poetic ending. The fabulous way he showed off his mighty purple chest to raise morale in the Deep Roads, as well.

Also, to embrace my stereotypes of poets, the fact he's the only Archdemon to die within a year and failed to sack a single proper city is probably evidence he's a poet.  ;)

But I am curious what the Old Gods were like in the Fade, back in the day. I can only imagine Corypheus and Dumat's conversations.

DUMAT: ...

CORYPHEUS: ...

DUMAT: ....

CORYPHEUS: Teach me to be like you, senpai.

^_^

 

Well, the most striking detail: you pronounce it as if it had two L's and one T, despite the fact that it's correctly written the other way around. Also, the "a" sound in Hungarian is much closer to a "u" than an English "a," so it would be more along the lines of "ah-teel-lah" with the kind of "a" you would sound when the dentist asks you to say "aaaah." (Not the screaming version.) Emphasis on the "il" and as I said, long "l."

 

As to the "who were the Huns;" in general Hungarians tend to group "Hun" and "magyar" into the same category, though there are some distinctions actually i.e. several tribes of our people (with two "main" leaders and lots of very important clan chiefs over the course of our great migration from somewhere around Mongolia) came all the way to Europe (following the fabled "Magic Stag" for want of a better translation, according to legend) and found the great Pannonia! Which is the modern-day Carpathian basin (and most Hungarians would go on about how actually the Great Hungarian Empire SHOULD still encompass most of that land because we were robbed of it - I'll spare you the entire history lesson). Sumerians are still a favorite, but we are also in favor of aliens, Atlantis and the most sensible just go with "something like the Mongols." With liberal amounts of Turkish, Byzantine and other cultures melded into our own. (The Turkish bit is kind of a sore point, though, because of subsequent history post-1000 A.D.) We are generally "the most culturally diverse" people in terms of genetics, because we were nomadic and picked up a bunch of good stuff along the way to our final home, and while that may seem a somewhat arrogant thing to believe, in reality that offers a grain of truth as to our background: we have so much blood in us from other cultures that we don't really have just one source anymore.

 

Possession sounds good to me, like a live connection between the Fade and the physical dragon, the beast's mind controlled so to speak. Hey now, not all poets are that bad at getting things done!  :D *ruffles poet feathers* But I see your point, there is something to be said for Urthemiel's poetry, it's just that it seems a bit... vague to me. I mean, it's difficult to conceptualize how a deity associated with beauty behave exactly, but I would imagine that it would have to be the polar opposite, so Urthemiel the Archdemon would go out of its way to... I dunno, display gory scenes as artwork or something, have the darkspawn make utterly grotesque masterpieces everywhere.

 

Or something.


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You named it perfectly :) I was thinking about this some time, mother Giselle made me think in fact :) - but I have difficulties to determine the pairs... 

But right know I can't get off my head the spectacular similarity in Andraste's and Flemeth's "crown", so I can hardly think about anything else ;)

 

 

Vowels should be pronounced shortly, no "Ateela"... rather with emphasis on first "A".

Btw, what was the problem with Czech? :D  B)

 

I'd love some theories about who corresponds to whom!



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Return to Ostagar. King Cailan, stripped and crucified overlooking the battlefield where his defeat nearly sealed the doom of Ferelden and the victory of the Blight. :) There's your grotesque masterpiece. ;) While I would have liked more characterization of Urthemiel, perhaps a scene where you see him gently roaring to one of his Vanguards like you see Howe and Loghain bickering, :P he does have the occasional personal touch.

 

So I've actually been pronouncing the Scourge of God's name correctly this whole time? Hot damn.  :lol:

Of all the crazy historical conspiracies, my least favorite involve Atlantis. It was a hypothetical city used to illustrate Plato's point, guys. Shush.  <_<  :lol:


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I'd love some theories about who corresponds to whom!

"Dumat: Elgar’nan

Zazikel: Ghilan’nain

Toth: Sylaise

Andoral: Andruil

Urthemiel: June

Razikale: Dirthamen

Lusacan: Falon’Din"

One of my first posts on this thread back in the day.  :lol:

Nowadays, of course, Razikale is female, and while Dirthamen is certainly pretty, he's a bro-elf. I'd probably switch Zazikel out with Andruil, since she has friendly fire issues, and Ghilly has slaves/monsters, which sort of fits. Urthemiel and June fit. Lusacan and Falon'din have the most direct link thanks to 'The Song of Falon'din' and his 'wings of night'. Also Toth and Sylvaise, both revolving around fire, both nasty. Dumat the Silent could be Mythal, could be Elgie, what with his wrath and ruin and being the head of the pantheon.

Nowadays. I'm growing more convinced that they're some kind of Great Dragon gods, the Pillars of the Earth, or something, and that the Creators interacted with them a lot but weren't them.


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Return to Ostagar. King Cailan, stripped and crucified overlooking the battlefield where his defeat nearly sealed the doom of Ferelden and the victory of the Blight. :) There's your grotesque masterpiece. ;) While I would have liked more characterization of Urthemiel, perhaps a scene where you see him gently roaring to one of his Vanguards like you see Howe and Loghain bickering, :P he does have the occasional personal touch.

So I've actually been pronouncing the Scourge of God's name correctly this whole time? Hot damn. :lol:
Of all the crazy historical conspiracies, my least favorite involve Atlantis. It was a hypothetical city used to illustrate Plato's point, guys. Shush. <_< :lol:


You mean Atlantis wasn't real? It's not inhabited now by mermaids? What???
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I have formed an idea. It's more of a hunch really, all this dragon talk has been very stimulating. I guess the most I can hope for is to ignite a spark of theorycrafting in someone else's mind as I have only been trying to piece this together for the last 2 hours (although the general idea has been bugging me for a greater while now).

 

Some excerpts from the DA wiki, my other muse: (this thread is still muse no.1)

Long ago, when time itself was young, the only things in existence were the sun and the land. The sun, curious about the land, bowed his head close to her body, and Elgar'nan was born in the place where they touched.

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He lifted himself into the sky and wrestled the sun, determined to defeat him. They fought for an eternity, and eventually the sun grew weak, while Elgar'nan's rage was unabated. Eventually Elgar'nan threw the sun down from the sky and buried him in a deep abyss created by the land's sorrow.

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The Dalish believe that when Elgar'nan buried the sun in the abyss, some of its heat remained in the Earth and gave rise to hot springs in the Dales. They call the springs the Pools of the Sun and treat them as sacred. They also believe that the sun's lifeblood spilled in the battle with his son became the stars.

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Some legends paint Andruil as a daughter of Elgar'nan and Mythal while others suggest she is a child of the earth.

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Her love for challenging hunts drove her to looking for prey among The Forgotten Ones in the Void, something that ultimately drove her mad.

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According to ancient elven writings Andruil is creator of some great and terrible weapon, a throwing spear of unbearable heat, crafted from radiance of stars.

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The blood of Great dragons can confer enormous power. According to Aurelian Titus in Dragon Age: Until We Sleep, the Dreamers of ancient times commanded The Fade. The last Tevinter magisters were close to reclaiming this power, and "All they needed was the blood of the Great dragons."

 

Ahem. Let's do this! *cracks joints*

 

Elgar'nan was originally a child of the earth, just like Andruil. To gain power, Elgar'nan took it from the dragons who were still ruling the world back then (=the power of the Creators came from the dragons). Something went down and he wanted/had to overthrow the dragons - he cast them into the abyss/void. Taking inspiration from RawToast's post, I'd now postulate that the dragons were still held in high regard and hunting them was forbidden. Along came Andruil who felt the need for a challenging hunt so she went dragon huntin'. In the void. Note how the Dalish legends say that sun's (dragon's) lifeblood became the stars. Guess who crafted weapons from the "radiance of stars". That's right, Andruil, who had been hunting in the void. So Andruil created a weapon using dragon blood, which is said to confer enormous power.

Could Andruil's weapon have been red lyrium? The pools of tears the earth cried sound like lyrium and the abyss was created by the earth's sorrow after all. Then [blank] and [blank] which means [blank] is [blank].

 

As you can see, there are countless problems with this. First, this sort of implies the Forgotten Ones are dragons and I don't want to believe it. Also, no explanation for the Taint. Maybe it'll come to me in a dream.


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You mean Atlantis wasn't real? It's not inhabited now by mermaids? What???

Um...maybe it's inhabited by mermaids in a lost collection of Plato's musings?  :unsure:


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I have no idea what anyone is talking about.


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You mean Atlantis wasn't real? It's not inhabited now by mermaids? What???

 

My dreams have been crushed.


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You mean Atlantis wasn't real? It's not inhabited now by mermaids? What???

No its real, I watched a BBC documentary where some bloke called Jason gets sucked through a portal and ends up there. He also meets Hercules (who looks a lot like Robert Baratheon and the guy from the Full Monty) and Pythagoras, and they fight crime and stuff. No mermaids though, that would be ridiculous. 


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You mean Atlantis wasn't real? It's not inhabited now by mermaids? What???

 

It is too real!  Don't listen to him!



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"Dumat: Elgar’nan

Zazikel: Ghilan’nain

Toth: Sylaise

Andoral: Andruil

Urthemiel: June

Razikale: Dirthamen

Lusacan: Falon’Din"

One of my first posts on this thread back in the day.  :lol:

Nowadays, of course, Razikale is female, and while Dirthamen is certainly pretty, he's a bro-elf. I'd probably switch Zazikel out with Andruil, since she has friendly fire issues, and Ghilly has slaves/monsters, which sort of fits. Urthemiel and June fit. Lusacan and Falon'din have the most direct link thanks to 'The Song of Falon'din' and his 'wings of night'. Also Toth and Sylvaise, both revolving around fire, both nasty. Dumat the Silent could be Mythal, could be Elgie, what with his wrath and ruin and being the head of the pantheon.

Nowadays. I'm growing more convinced that they're some kind of Great Dragon gods, the Pillars of the Earth, or something, and that the Creators interacted with them a lot but weren't them.

 Well, if you posted this before, then I'm sure you were asked or there was at least some discussion then around one corresponding to Fen'Harel. Do you think there is a dragon that no one knows about or some other reason?

 

Sorry if this was answered before.



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My dreams have been crushed.

I laughed, then I realized that your profile picture was a terrifying vision of Winnie the Pooh, then I wept in fear.


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 Well, if you posted this before, then I'm sure you were asked or there was at least some discussion then around one corresponding to Fen'Harel. Do you think there is a dragon that no one knows about or some other reason?

 

Sorry if this was answered before.

*shrug* There is Draconis, a speculated eighth Old God that's mentioned in the constellation codex entries.

However, the whole Creators=Old Gods runs off the idea that there are seven Old Gods because Fen'harel sealed them away, and Mythal was murdered beforehand. So no need for one to correspond to Fen'harel. :) (Presumably all of the Creators could turn into dragons.)

The flaw I see in the Mythal=Dumat=Old God Baby Andraste=Flemeth route of thinking is how did Mythal get into Dumat? If Mythal was Dumat, somehow, then the unknown Draconis could account for her, and her death before the other gods were sealed would lead to the Neromenian/Tevinter Imperium only worshiping the seven imprisoned gods.

There were a lot of flaws in my theory of the match-up.  :lol:



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I just don't know who you guys are anymore.

I used to *trust* you!
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I laughed, then I realized that your profile picture was a terrifying vision of Winnie the Pooh, then I wept in fear.

 

:devil:


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