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[Lady Artifice]

I particularly like having Morrigan drink from the Well if Kieran's around and has Urthemiel's soul.  The story comes full circle in such a wonderful way, and that scene with Flemeth is particularly satisfying when Morrigan basically realizes that her own drive for knowledge has completely f***ed her over.  (Don't get me wrong, I ADORE Morrigan, but the poetic justice is too much to pass up )

 

If Kieran's not around, IMO it's more even.

 

I know what you mean. Morrigan felt very real to me in that portion of the story, very flawed, both sympathetic and frustrating. 

 

That's my default play through, with my Artificer Trevelyan. With Morrigan drinking and Kieran alive. Most of my characters wouldn't touch the Well of Sorrow, but I decided that my Tempest Lavellan would feel responsible for that knowledge. She'd feel like she owes it to her people to preserve it. Plus, for all her diplomacy and good manners...She's a little crazy reckless. 

 

I've got my Mage Trevelyan play through with no Kieran to look forward to that then. I think this play through might be the only one where my character drinks, and I'm pretty happy with it. It was fraught with emotion and uncertainty. I'm finally getting into how much variation is actually possible with different world states. 

 

 

My Lavellan drank from the Well.  That was a RP choice - even if Solas dumped me over it (and the first time I played I thought he had) there is no way I could ever make a different choice.  My Lavellan isn't just a Dalish elf - she's the First of Clan Lavellan.  Her entire life has been about preserving the history of her people.  She had the arcane knowledge perk and drank from the Well knowing all the risks.  I also feel it makes more sense for Solas' dialouge afterwards.  He asks her what she's going to do with the power of the Well.

 

But it's like the Cole choice and vallaslin choice.  There's no right or wrong answer.

 

 

This is true, and I loved the scene, every word and nuance. It was even better than the first kiss in the Fade for me. I was able to have her express heartbreak over truth about vallaslin, and yet be unwilling to let go of it at the same time. I was able to let her express a range of conflicting emotion. That was really beautifully done. The scene was beautiful. 

 

I just can't believe how much drama was packed into one hour of play after so many hours of monotony. So weird.    

[Illyria]

So...what House would your quizzies be in?

 

My Adaar is 100% a Gryffindor.  My Lavellan is harder.  She's sweet and loyal like a Hufflepuff, but plays the Game like a Slytherin.  Maybe I'll just compromise and say Ravenclaw.

 

For my canon heroes: Lavellan and Surana would be Ravenclaw - they're both all about knowledge.  Hawke would be Slytherin (probably.  She's smart but she's less 'yay learning' than Surana and Lavellan)

 

Trevelyan would be Hufflepuff (I haven't played much as her, but I got a pretty good feel for her personality), Adaar would be Slytherin (not for the ambition, but for the cunning), Cadash would be Gryiffindor, but in the worst way.  She's brave, but also not a nice person.  I haven't played my m!Lavellan or m!Cadash yet, so I don't know what they'd be.

[Sifr]

Well, he was mad at her. Then he was flirting. Then he broke her heart a little. Then he made her swoon. Then he broke her heart a lot.

 

I think I started crying a little right around "Rare and marvelous spirit." 

 

I believe that I have heard talk of a blanket fort? And hot cocoa?

 

...I'm about to reload and play the scene 3 to 5 more times, just to see if my heart is still intact by the end of it. 

 

I only made it through that scene twice... too many feels.

 

 

Yeah, but then where does his body surf ability come from in Legacy?  He can do it to Janeka/Larius, the dragon was nowhere to be seen, and he'd yet to acquire the orb that supposedly gives him control over the dragon.  

 

Maybe the dragon serves as a sort of signal amplifier instead of being the source of the body surf.  So for example, he can body surf to Janeka/Larius because they're RIGHT FREAKING THERE.  Bianca gave the location of the primeval thaig to a Warden who was definitely possessed by Cory, but didn't look like him.  So maybe the red lyrium dragon lets him surf greater distances and immediately change the host into his form.  It basically supercharges the ability.  Then at the end, when the dragon dies, there's a feedback thing like what happened with Saren and Sovereign that temporarily shuts down his ability to surf.

 

Or maybe I'm just reading too much into a plot hole 

 

I think perhaps that Corypheus is only able to jump if a tainted vessel happens to be in close proximity to him? Kinda like in that Denzel Washington movie Fallen where the demon can pull the same trick, but is vulnerable if in a place where no humans or animals are present?

 

The Dragon being so very hard to kill makes it an excellent backup body for him to jump into if he ever needs it? When we kill it, he's left with nothing tainted nearby to jump into except for the Red Lyrium, which I doubt he'd want to attempt to do?

 

I still have to wonder how he managed to survive the initial blast at the Conclave? Perhaps he had some Wardens outside the blast-zone that he was able to jump into, or he was able to reform from one of the burnt bodies?

[Caddius]

What interests me is that Corypheus is able to choose whether he wants to activate Gore Mode and turn into his Magister form, or he can play it cool and stay looking like Larius until he finds his rock candy.

[MoonDrummer]

All hail Stannis the Mannis!

[Illyria]

This is true, and I loved the scene, every word and nuance. It was even better than the first kiss in the Fade for me. I was able to have her express heartbreak over truth about vallaslin, and yet be unwilling to let go of it at the same time. I was able to let her express a range of conflicting emotion. That was really beautifully done. The scene was beautiful.

 

I just can't believe how much drama was packed into one hour of play after so many hours of monotony. So weird.    

 

You've really nailed why I love that scene so much.  The way a lot of people talk about that scene implies that a great many fans see removing the vallaslin as the 'correct' and 'romantic' choice, which bothers me.  To me the gift of knowledge - and Solas' complete acceptance of Lavellan no matter what she choses - is more important than the actual removal (which is also a fantastic choice to make, just not one that would fit with my character).

[Illyria]

Well, he was mad at her. Then he was flirting. Then he broke her heart a little. Then he made her swoon. Then he broke her heart a lot.

 

I think I started crying a little right around "Rare and marvelous spirit." 

 

I believe that I have heard talk of a blanket fort? And hot cocoa?

 

...I'm about to reload and play the scene 3 to 5 more times, just to see if my heart is still intact by the end of it. 

 

There's a blanket fort, kitten pictures, Cole pictures, tea, and Team Optimism flags.

[Lady Artifice]

So...what House would your quizzies be in?

 

My Adaar is 100% a Gryffindor.  My Lavellan is harder.  She's sweet and loyal like a Hufflepuff, but plays the Game like a Slytherin.  Maybe I'll just compromise and say Ravenclaw.

 

Heh...I have ten characters. 

 

My Tempest Ninaeve Lavellan and my Artificer Angelique Trevelyan (and her AU mage counterpart, Celestine) are Ravenclaw. 

 

My Champion Alessandra and my Templar Alaric are both Gryffindor. 

 

My Rift Mage Istreiae Adaar and my other Artificer Deiniri Cadash are both Hufflepuff.

 

And my Reaver Daedryon and Necromancer Agravain are both Slytherin. 

 

...Not that I've already thought about this or anything. 

[Sifr]

For my canon heroes: Lavellan and Surana would be Ravenclaw - they're both all about knowledge.  Hawke would be Slytherin (probably.  She's smart but she's less 'yay learning' than Surana and Lavellan)

 

Trevelyan would be Hufflepuff (I haven't played much as her, but I got a pretty good feel for her personality), Adaar would be Slytherin (not for the ambition, but for the cunning), Cadash would be Gryiffindor, but in the worst way.  She's brave, but also not a nice person.  I haven't played my m!Lavellan or m!Cadash yet, so I don't know what they'd be.

 

 

I need to rewatch A Very Potter Musical again...

 

[Illyria]

 

I need to rewatch A Very Potter Musical again...

 

 

Hufflepuff's are particually good Finders!

 

I need to watch it again, too.

[Caddius]

 

I need to rewatch A Very Potter Musical again...

 

Everyone needs to watch that trilogy again.   

...Everyone's sorting Cole into Hufflepuff. Cole is the one that comments whenever there's an item to be found in the area. Oh my gods.     

[Illyria]

Everyone needs to watch that trilogy again.   

...Everyone's sorting Cole into Hufflepuff. Cole is the one that comments whenever there's an item to be found in the area. Oh my gods.     

 

They made the third one?  I thought it got put on hold because Darren Criss ran off to be in Glee?

 

Spoiler

Draco is really nice now.

[madrar]

Gah... *cracks open the previously sealed comic trilogy and combs for mentions of dragons*
("The Silent Grove", "Those Who Speak", and "Until we Sleep" spoilers, obviously!)

<snip>

Well that was exciting! We have several orbs with different "powers", it seems.

So much... so crazy...

*staggers under the weight of massive lore*

There's a ton to dig through here, but the idea of dragons as primordial creatures of massive, chaotic Will seems like a safe takeaway. The Arishok claims outright that the "source of power" of the great kings and heroes of Ferelden to "change our world" was a direct consequence of taking in the blood of a Great Dragon ...which if true, seems like a weird thing to hold against humanity given theoretical Qunari genetics.

Pot, kettle, etc. =w=

And now that I think about it, I'm a little surprised Allistair's lineage didn't have some effect on the Joining. I don't think the influence of dragon blood is powerful enough to burn away the taint, but still- they seem like inherently oppositional forces: Chaotic Will vs. the Enforced Order of Blight. Wish we knew whether a Qunari Warden was possible. Then again, blight and red lyrium seem to get along just fine in Corypheus... ....

.....

*shakes herself back to reality*

Anyway! The Magrallen makes me wish I knew middle Irish. I suspect the real-world connection is "magrallan", a word that pops up in medieval gaelic handbooks on midwifery that make Google Translate choke and die. There's just enough Latin in the samples I've found to parse that the context seems to be instructions on how to remove a fetus after death- incredibly suspicious taken in tandem with theories on the Stone being the unborn child of (very likely deceased) Earth.

...but that's a lot of supposition.

Some quick thoughts on dragons in general:

A fair amount of in-game evidence suggests the earliest Gods were fundamentally draconic in nature- a theory bolstered by real-world examples of primordial serpent Gods drawn from various religions as well as the thematic connection to the cycle of the universe itself in ouroboros. It also maps in an interesting way to our concept of the universe as a single mind - the earliest gods' domains being the "reptilian complex" (Elgar'nan/Pre-Elgar'nan Order/the Sun) and the "paleomammalian complex" (Earth-Mythal) of the triune brain. In Jungian terms, this would be the subconscious, the unknown. "Here be Dragons" in our map of the mind.

This theory seems to be borne out in subtle hints we find in the temple of Mythal mosaics. Unlike the other gods of the elvhen Pantheon, Mythal and Elgar'nan share a distinctive rounded, almost snout-like pattern in the tiles that compose their face.

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Sylaise almost does as well, which is a ball of worms I'm not willing to touch at this point. Chick be crazy.

Elgar'nan's mosaic underscores the connection even further. Not just a dragon-like snout, but the suggestion of wings and claws as well.

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And although evidence is limited on this point, connections between the red lyrium idol and Dalish myth suggests the Sun was similarly draconic. Note the resemblance of its fractured base to a winding dragon tail:

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All of which touches on one of my personal crackpot theories: the Sun as primordial Maker of the dragon race. I believe dragons were, quite literally, created in His image.

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Fiercely willful, quick to anger/violence, territorial, competitive, and predatory of other life in a very direct 'survival of the fittest' / 'selfish gene' kind of way. It was this act of creation (and the Sun's implied role as Lover in this primordial Order/Potential/Chaos triad) that instigated his conflict with Elgar'nan. (...who I think experienced a similar sequence of events with his unnamed predecessor and the granting of magic/free will to proto-elf-angel entities, but that's getting off topic- as is my suspicion that dragons also led directly to Andruil's ascension to the Pantheon as Huntress and protector of the People.)

So from a certain perspective, the blood of dragons is literally the blood of the world- the lyrium veins of the draconic Earth. That said, there's almost certainly more to Yavana's reference than that. She implies their continued existence is critical to the DA universe, and their re-emergence seems tied to the recent resurgence of magic in a way I don't understand at all yet. Given the possible Magrellan connection, maybe the blood of the Great Dragons is necessary for the successful rebirth of the Sun?

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It's a stretch, but the Magrellan could have been intended to aid sentient minds in directly shaping the nature of the emergent God. Avvar practice seems to suggest that shaping the fade might correlate to the physical world in a way that mimics self-help-esque visualization techniques. =w= The idea sets my teeth on edge a bit, but it seems thematically possible...

*clutches her head*

Time for some cocoa and a lie-down.

[Lady Artifice]

You've really nailed why I love that scene so much.  The way a lot of people talk about that scene implies that a great many fans see removing the vallaslin as the 'correct' and 'romantic' choice, which bothers me.  To me the gift of knowledge - and Solas' complete acceptance of Lavellan no matter what she choses - is more important than the actual removal (which is also a fantastic choice to make, just not one that would fit with my character).

 

I heartily agree. I could see removing the vallaslin as the right choice for some characters very easily. But Ninaeve made the right choice for her, and his understanding of that was extremely romantic. 

 

I am still positively hyper over this! 

 

There's a blanket fort, kitten pictures, Cole pictures, tea, and Team Optimism flags.

 

 

I will be needing all of those things, I think. 

 

I knew this was coming, and yet I wasn't prepared for it at all. I also thought this breakup scene happened after fighting Corypheus, not before. I really had no idea what I was getting into with this. 

[Caddius]

They made the third one?  I thought it got put on hold because Darren Criss ran off to be in Glee?

 

Spoiler

Draco is really nice now.

 

They made the third one?  I thought it got put on hold because Darren Criss ran off to be in Glee?

 

Spoiler

Draco is really nice now.

A Very Potter Senior Year.

It was an impromptu read-through of the lines with limited effects, and some of the actors couldn't make it. They read off of scripts.

Still magnificent. 

Spoiler

Draco is extra nice now.

[Illyria]

I heartily agree. I could see removing the vallaslin as the right choice for some characters very easily. But Ninaeve made the right choice for her, and his understanding of that was extremely romantic. 

 

I am still positively hyper over this! 

 

 

 

I will be needing all of those things, I think. 

 

I knew this was coming, and yet I wasn't prepared for it at all. I also thought this breakup scene happened after fighting Corypheus, not before. I really had no idea what I was getting into with this. 

 

Solas was my first romance so I had no idea what I was getting into.  When he took Lavellan to fire swamp I thought that was leading up to the sex scene, not a dumping.

[Lady Artifice]

I only made it through that scene twice... too many feels.

 

Same for me so far, though I might try again soon. I might just pretend to be playing a completely different character for a moment. I want to see what happens if she becomes infuriated and yells at him.

 

Though I'm also a little scared to try it. 

[Caddius]

I remember pre-release, Weekes was playing his AssQuisitor, or maybe one of his normal Inquisitors, and tweeting about it. People started asking for pictures, and he nervously declined, citing 'Spoilers'. Cue speculation that the Mark expands over your body and slowly kills the Inquisitor.

If he was playing a Lavellan, he must have removed the vallaslin. *smacks forehead* Took me awhile to figure out. 

[Sifr]

A Very Potter Senior Year.

It was an impromptu read-through of the lines with limited effects, and some of the actors couldn't make it. They read off of scripts.

Still magnificent. 

Spoiler

Draco is extra nice now.

 

Yeah, Darren Criss' schedule and some of the actors being unavailable (like the one who played Hermione) meant they couldn't do a full show sadly.

 

But it does make up for it by having Luna Lovegood now played by Evanna Lynch, which is totally awesome. And makes me think that the entire thing is now semi-canon and actually just an extremely weird dream that Luna was having during the films?

[Illyria]

I remember pre-release, Weekes was playing his AssQuisitor, or maybe one of his normal Inquisitors, and tweeting about it. People started asking for pictures, and he nervously declined, citing 'Spoilers'. Cue speculation that the Mark expands over your body and slowly kills the Inquisitor.

If he was playing a Lavellan, he must have removed the vallaslin. *smacks forehead* Took me awhile to figure out. 

 

AssQuisitor is a Bull Riding Trevelyan, though.

 

Lavellan was the one smooching her sweetie after going to the Oasis.

[Sable Rhapsody]

I really had no idea what I was getting into with this. 

 

...said most of the Solas thread  It's either that or "I *thought* I knew what I was getting into, and then I was all the tears anyway."

[Caddius]

AssQuisitor is a Bull Riding Trevelyan, though.

WELL NEVERMIND, THEN!

...   Way to burst my bubble.

Then what was the spoiler?   Or was he just being an ass?

[Lady Artifice]

WELL NEVERMIND, THEN!

...   Way to burst my bubble.

Then what was the spoiler?   Or was he just being an ass?

 

Maybe he was just shy about his skills with the CC.

 

Or maybe he recreated a person we would recognize, and he didn't want us to know who his crush is? 

[Caddius]

Maybe he was just shy about his skills with the CC.

 

Or maybe he recreated a person we would recognize, and he didn't want us to know who his crush is? 

He did mention he messed up the make-up.   

...what? I'm not old enough to lose my ability to remember random things the devs say from years ago.  I'm young and hearty! (Now where did I leave my glasses?)

[Gwyvian]

 

P.S. You guys talking about The Witcher 3! Friends keep saying I would like it, but it just seems so.... male.... to me! And I can't trust them for an honest review since they tease me alllll the time. Do you guys recommend it?

 

Hehe same here i have the game but nothing calls to me to go play it :)I cant feel his voice at all i cant connect to anything,don't think i can roleplay if i cant immerse myself into it

 

 

So, this is an interesting question going on here; I typically love playing both male and female characters, so this isn't a bothersome question for me. But, even if it were....

 

Have you seen Iorveth?????     Or Yaevinn????  There is plenty to love for both sexes in Witcher 1 and 2 both. Personally I'm "theoretically outraged" at all the emphasis on Geralt getting a ton of women between the sheets (or, er, the forest or... a cave...), yet it is all part of this wonderful world, it fits Geralt's character (besides.... Geralt himself...  ) and it's not done in a completely offensive way. Just slightly.   I spent a while being really outraged at it but I realized I love Witcher so much I really don't care. (And Yaevinn and Iorveth!!      Among others.)

 

Of course, I understand not being able to "connect" because the protagonist is the wrong gender for your preference, but I would highly recommend it anyway - it really is worth looking past this.

 

(My Witcher 3 is waiting for me at home, I can't wait to meet it!   )