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[myahele]

Kirkwall also lies at the foot of Sundermount, supposedly the site of the climatic final battle between the Ancient Elves and the Tevinter Imperium?

 

Was there something important there to the Ancient Elves that was worth defending? Merrill mentions that a lot of Elves were buried at Sundermount (or died whilst in Uthenera) and Mythal had a shrine located there?

 

I could be wrong, but it was said in WoT2 that there was a dissonant verse of the chant that talks about 9 sacred mountains, ancients being reawakened from slumbers and Titans rising up is a sign that the Maker will return.

 

There are 9 Elven god's and we know of atleast 2 that had ancient elven structures: Skyhold (perhaps Fen'harels?) and Sacred Ashes (Mythal).

 

I'm pretty sure Sundermount houses a Temple as well, but who? It's interesting that Skyhold's veil is oldest and thickest despite is being clear there was alot of bloodshed there, but SUNDERmount's is very thin. 

 

Maybe Skyhold is where the veil "begins" while sundermount is where it "ends"

[Illyria]

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[MoonDrummer]

The hatred Fiona gets always surprises me, as the sheer number of people who just reject the brainwashing theory.  The Templers were being controlled through Red Lyrium - it's entirely possible that the same thing happened to the mages.  I sometimes wonder if a lot of fans need everything spelt out for them - there's plently of evidence to support the theory without the writers having to hold our hands to make sure we follow the plot.  It's like the debates about Qunari gender that happened after Krem's tavern scene (I really should stay out of his threads too.  Love the guy, but there's always trolls in Krem threads).  It got to the point where Gaider - who isn't even involved in Dragon Age anymore - had to come and explain things that seemed perfectly obvious when you look at everything we've been told about the Qun and gender roles.

 

Plus, Fiona is by far the most resonable member of the Libertarian fraternity we've seen DA (but then, her fraternity includes Anders (sorry Cee), Adrian, Uldred and Jeannot...)

There isn't really much proof for the brainwash theory, other than a desperate need to explain Fiona's bad decisions. Brainwashing plots are ridiculously overused anyway, so I'm not fussed. 

 

As for the Qunari, those changes make no sense to me, no matter how much Gaider tries to cover his tracks. The Qunari who are known to break the minds of people who think outside of the box does a 180 and decides, not only to let these women get away with it, but also give them what they want? Nah. 

 

[Niamaduir]

Question: If Vints use blood magic and blood magic makes it hard to enter the Fade -- how did the magisters do it? Does it tell us somewhere? Or maybe did they create the Blight in their attempts to enter the Golden City, as opposed to the consequences of them entering it? I know it was a "feat which required the ritual sacrifice of countless slaves and over two-thirds of the lyrium in the entire empire" and all, but what if it required their physical alteration as well? We know that demons and darkspawn blood don't get along, after all. And there is a rumor that Dumat created the darkspawn. Related?

Random, semi-related: when Solas mentions Falon'din and "the blood of those who wouldn't bow low filled lakes as wide as oceans"... it sounds like he's quoting something almost, doesn't it? We can only imagine what sort of blood magic one could work with that. -shivers-

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Honestly, so much of what we thought we knew about Thedas' history gets undermined or at least fractured, I am not even sure what is going on anymore other than something bad happened when whatever it was went down with the Elvhen and their divine like beings. This something is big, might possibly have something to do with the Fade or at least the Veil. (Anyone else wondering if activating all those orbs for Solas is going to have some impact other than "strengthening the veil" at a later date)

 

And on the note of other threads, all I can say is that this thread seems to respect other people's head canons, which is nice and not the case in other parts of the forum. 

 

And I am so twitchy between the game and all the great art and other fics about writing a Lavellan Fic, but I really need to finish my Cousland fic.

[Illyria]

There isn't really much proof for the brainwash theory, other than a desperate need to explain Fiona's bad decisions. Brainwashing plots are ridiculously overused anyway, so I'm not fussed. 

 

As for the Qunari, those changes make no sense to me, no matter how much Gaider tries to cover his tracks. The Qunari who are known to break the minds of people who think outside of the box does a 180 and decides, not only to let these women get away with it, but also give them what they want? Nah. 

 

 

In DAO Sten doesn't doubt that the Warden is a warrior, he doubts that she's a woman.  If woman=true then warrior=false.  But for the Warden it's woman=true and warrior=true.  And that's where his confusion comes from.

 

So Krem makes perfect sense to a Qunari.  Warrior=true, woman=false.  He presents as male, and uses male pronouns.  In Qunari society he's also doing a male-only job.  If Krem had chosen to follow in his dad's footsteps and become a tailor then I think Qunari society would be confused.  To them that wouldn't make sense.

 

Addressing your Fiona point:

 

BIANCA IS ALSO A GREAT CHARACTER.  HAH.

[Sifr]

The hatred Fiona gets always surprises me, as the sheer number of people who just reject the brainwashing theory.  The Templers were being controlled through Red Lyrium - it's entirely possible that the same thing happened to the mages.  I sometimes wonder if a lot of fans need everything spelt out for them - there's plently of evidence to support the theory without the writers having to hold our hands to make sure we follow the plot.  It's like the debates about Qunari gender that happened after Krem's tavern scene (I really should stay out of his threads too.  Love the guy, but there's always trolls in Krem threads).  It got to the point where Gaider - who isn't even involved in Dragon Age anymore - had to come and explain things that seemed perfectly obvious when you look at everything we've been told about the Qun and gender roles.

 

Plus, Fiona is by far the most resonable member of the Libertarian fraternity we've seen DA (but then, her fraternity includes Anders (sorry Cee), Adrian, Uldred and Jeannot...)

 

I know, you factor in his plans involved using blood magic and the taint to controlling the Wardens, using Blight-corrupted lyrium to control both Red Templars and his pet Dragon and even planned to eventually brainwash Calpernia to ensure her obedience, it really establishes a clear pattern of behaviour for him as his go-to solution for getting people to follow him?

 

But suggest he would send known blood magic using Tevinter cultists to brainwash the Mages though, well that's just crazy talk!

 

That whole situation where people blew up on the "retcon" about Krem bugged me as well, when it's not hard to reconcile?

 

In Origins, Sten only had the problem that the Warden was calling herself a woman, he never once questioned that she was a warrior? Indeed, his first question was to ask whether the Warden wanted to be a man, so if the Warden had said she was transgender, that would have probably been a satisfactory answer for him? That the Warden called herself a woman and a warrior was what short-circuited his brain, because that's now how it works under the Qun?

 

Bull's reveal about the Qunari being pro-transgender doesn't contradict anything, because women don't fight as warriors under the Qun. Because Krem isn't a woman to the Qunari, Krem is seen as being as much a man as any of the antaam, even if biologically he's not?

 

As for Fiona, you're right, the rest of her fraternity are way more akin to being bomb-throwing anarchists than she is, she's downright reasonable and diplomatic compared to them? I have a soft spot for Anders and Adrian as well, but I won't deny that I want to slap them for what they've done, whereas I feel bad for Fiona because her life pretty much sucks and everyone blames her in-universe and out.

[ChuChu]

Honestly, so much of what we thought we knew about Thedas' history gets undermined or at least fractured, I am not even sure what is going on anymore other than something bad happened when whatever it was went down with the Elvhen and their divine like beings. This something is big, might possibly have something to do with the Fade or at least the Veil.

Absolutely true! When Solas says to Morrigan the bit about giving legend the weight of history, I can't help but imagine ourselves as Morrigan, trying to piece together what fractures we can and utterly getting it wrong.

[Illyria]

I know, you factor in his plans involved using blood magic and the taint to controlling the Wardens, using Blight-corrupted lyrium to control both Red Templars and his pet Dragon and even planned to eventually brainwash Calpernia to ensure her obedience, it really establishes a clear pattern of behaviour for him as his go-to solution for getting people to follow him?

 

But suggest he would send known blood magic using Tevinter cultists to brainwash the Mages though, well that's just crazy talk!

 

I also think it's entirely possible that Nightmare was affecting the mages in the new timeline.  The Fiona we was met in Orlais seemed pretty confident about the way things were going, and even told Inky that the offer was to discuss an alliance, unlike the later!Fiona who was desperate enough to leap into an allience with Tevinters.  Coryfish has this personification of nightmares working for him - it's not unreasonable to think that he might have got it to take 10 minutes out of affecting the Wardens to work on the mage rebellion.

[MoonDrummer]

In DAO Sten doesn't doubt that the Warden is a warrior, he doubts that she's a woman.  If woman=true then warrior=false.  But for the Warden it's woman=true and warrior=true.  And that's where his confusion comes from.

 

So Krem makes perfect sense to a Qunari.  Warrior=true, woman=false.  He presents as male, and uses male pronouns.  In Qunari society he's also doing a male-only job.  If Krem had chosen to follow in his dad's footsteps and become a tailor then I think Qunari society would be confused.  To them that wouldn't make sense.

The point I was trying to make, was that I don't see how it is possible for a Qunari woman to go from being told she will be a priest, or a cook, or whatever, to actually being accepted as a warrior, without having her mind broken by the re-educators. The Qunari don't make exceptions, it was their thing, I just don't get it.

Addressing your Fiona point:

 

BIANCA IS ALSO A GREAT CHARACTER.  HAH.

Pretty great crossbow, no denying that. 

[MayriyaNoori]

Perhaps the key to immortality is having a spirit companion willingly "merge" or bound to you? Zathrian and the lady of the forest is proof of this.

 

Constant fighting and eventual overuse of blood magic probably scared the spirits away

That is an very interesting thought....especially since Cole makes the remark that Solas is in both places. And another thing about immortality.....isn't it hinted somewhere, like a codex or something, that it wasn't contact with humans that caused elves to lose immortality but something else? I could be wrong.

 

And on the notes about the other places being scary. I have to say, this has been one of the friendliest forum threads I have come across in a long time for anything on the internet. I think the only other friendly place I have found is Ravelry for knitting and crochet. I mean...it's kinda hard to find drama when dealing with yarn.

 

But yeah...everywhere else just reading makes you want to hide in a corner.....with some tea and Nutella.

[Sifr]

I also think it's entirely possible that Nightmare was affecting the mages in the new timeline.  The Fiona we was met in Orlais seemed pretty confident about the way things were going, and even told Inky that the offer was to discuss an alliance, unlike the later!Fiona who was desperate enough to leap into an allience with Tevinters.  Coryfish has this personification of nightmares working for him - it's not unreasonable to think that he might have got it to take 10 minutes out of affecting the Wardens to work on the mage rebellion.

 

Ssh, don't suggest that time travel was involved either, people seem to really hate that Alexius also had the ability to Max Caulfield the situation by reversing time, allowing him to manipulate history any way he wanted to try and find the best outcome for Chloe Corypheus?

 

As for Nightmare being involved... I'd not considered that, but since the Mages seem so certain that the Templars are at the door, maybe they are Inceptioning them to get them on edge and make them more twitchy as well?

 

The point I was trying to make, was that I don't see how it is possible for a Qunari woman to go from being told she will be a priest, or a cook, or whatever, to actually being accepted as a warrior, without having her mind broken by the re-educators. The Qunari don't make exceptions, it was their thing, I just don't get it.

 

Because the Qunari recongise that person is not a woman, they're a man.

 

Instead of forcing someone transgender to hide themselves for fear of rejection like in most societies, the Qunari probably identify the signs that someone might be transgender and reassign them to the correct vocation, rather than forcing them to go through mind-breaking re-education?

 

Gay, Lesbian or Trans, there's no such thing as Qunversion therapy with Qunari, they take people as they are and find a place for them. It's only when someone acts in a way that is against the Qun (or works to disrupt the collective whole) that they really crack down hard on them?

[Cee]

Qunversion therapy 

[MoonDrummer]

Because the Qunari recongise that person is not a woman, they're a man.

 

Instead of forcing someone transgender to hide themselves for fear of rejection like in most societies, the Qunari probably identify the signs that someone might be transgender and reassign them to the correct vocation, rather than forcing them to go through mind-breaking re-education?

 

Gay, Lesbian or Trans, there's no such thing as Qunversion therapy with Qunari, they take you as you are and find a place for you.

Why would they care? The Qunari don't give a fig about an individuals happiness, you fit into the slot you are put in or they break you, its how they do. 

[Sifr]

Why would they care? The Qunari don't give a fig about an individuals happiness, you fit into the slot you are put in or they break you, its how they do. 

 

Because the Qun is far more flexible than people give it credit for?

 

When he retrieved Asala in Origins, Sten had his answer to the Arishok's question "What is the Blight?" so he could have returned home right then, his demand of the Qun complete. But as he says, he could give the Arishok a better answer if he stayed to see the Blight to it's end? He wasn't disobeying his orders, he was merely reinterpreting them to allow him to complete his demand of the Qun in a way that he preferred?

 

Bull tells us he was trained as a warrior, but when they learned he could hit things and lie, then he was reassigned to the Ben-Hassrath and the spy track.

 

Krem would be no different, he'd be assigned something under the Qun for women, but once they realised he was trans and self-identified as a man, they'd probably reassign him to a job better suited for his talents?

 

Could be that some transgendered individuals aren't allow into the antaam, not due to discrimination or anything, but because they fail to measure up to certain physical requirements of the role, like not being the correct height, having poor eyesight, being asthmatic etc? After all, they would lack the benefits of the eugenics program that bred the others into being suitable for that role?

 

Presumably then the Ben-Hassrath (that caters to both genders) would likely be chosen for them instead?

 

After all, no-one is bred into certain roles permanently, they are able to climb up the ranks and attain a higher position in the same overall vocation? Tallis was demoted and promoted in Redemption, while Sten became the new Arishok we learn in the comics and in DAI.

[Sifr]

Slightly more on topic... guys, did anyone of you notice that Time Lords (with funny hats) are in WOT2?

 

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Which looks suspiciously similar to;

 

 

[CapricornSun]

Art break,

 

Solas watching Lavellan paint.

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http://kitteria.tumb...-behind-my-back

 

 

Solas faces.

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http://fxdetongue.tu...ull-story-at-11

 

 

Tarot card of Concept!Solas

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http://wolflinkbydar...ncept-art-solas

 

 

Solas and Flemeth. (Solas' hair... xD)

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http://osatokun.tumb...rdest-warmup-8u

 

 

Elf boys are Wonderpets.

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http://u-cant-hurt-m...-are-wonderpets

 

 

Elf boys.

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http://freyleif.tumb...today-including

 

[Cee]

That tarot card is so nice. Such bold color.

 

I was supposed to leave about 20 minutes ago but started adding to a fic. Oops. All I wanted to do was change one sentence!

[Sifr]

 

Elf boys are Wonderpets.

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http://u-cant-hurt-m...-are-wonderpets

 

 

I have the strangest feeling that Fenris and Solas are planning to eat Zevran... (And not in the way he'd prefer?)

 

[Sable Rhapsody]

If someone like Samson who's guilty of a lot of pretty awful things, can still become a Woobie and a Draco in Leather Pants for the fandom, then I should be allowed to like and defend Fiona, surely?

 

I always find it odd that people work themselves into such a froth over who likes what character.  I find the vast majority of the DA cast to be sympathetic on some level, even characters whom I don't particularly like.  With a few obvious exceptions (Petrice, Alrik, etc.) who are clearly just there to be hated.

[Sifr]

I always find it odd that people work themselves into such a froth over who likes what character.  I find the vast majority of the DA cast to be sympathetic on some level, even characters whom I don't particularly like.  With a few obvious exceptions (Petrice, Alrik, etc.) who are clearly just there to be hated.

 

Here here, some of my favourite DA characters are the ones I don't particularly like?

 

Vivienne is one of those characters I want to like but don't, since everytime I find something I like about her, I find two more things that put me right back off her again? Sera is similar in that I like her overall, but sometimes find stuff about her that bugs me, like her immature attitude and lack of sensitivity?

 

It's the mark of a well-written character that can illict that kind of reaction from people and constantly make someone re-evaluate their opinion of them? Even nearly six or so years after Origins came out, people still can't make up their minds about Loghain, nor can they decide where they stand on Meredith and Anders four years later?

 

Edit: Top Solas

 

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Source: http://arlavellan.tu...st/119900754386

 

 

The Sorcerer, the Trickster and the Warrior.

[NightSymphony]

Another small art break

 

Young Solas

http://jennytan.devi...Solas-535613797

 

Solas Sketches

http://smmorela.devi...ctice-535607094

 

Fenris Sketches

http://bloajd.devian...enris-535571209

[Cee]

Here here, some of my favourite DA characters are the ones I don't particularly like?

 

Vivienne is one of those characters I want to like but don't, since everytime I find something I like about her, I find two more things that put me right back off her again? Sera is similar in that I like her overall, but sometimes find stuff about her that bugs me, like her immature attitude and lack of sensitivity?

 

It's the mark of a well-written character that can illict that kind of reaction from people and constantly make someone re-evaluate their opinion of them? Even nearly six or so years after Origins came out, people still can't make up their minds about Loghain, nor can they decide where they stand on Meredith and Anders four years later?

 

 

Characters with depth, whether this means things one doesn't like about them or things one does, or sometimes it can mean people like certain aspects but not others. Kind of like real life. Even Solas can be polarizing for some people, especially if he doesn't like your decisions and never comes to respect you, he can say some downright nasty stuff, even though it comes from a place of anger and pain and weariness.

 

I actively dislike Vivienne, and she is the only companion I've ever deliberately not recruited (on my second playthrough) but even she has some interesting bits in her background and amusing moments. I just think she has a terrible personality and the things she values are not something I can bring myself to like, coupled with her condescending attitude, and habit of using people, and that's just turned me off her completely. That said, Sera is another good example and my Lavellan and she had a rocky friendship but ultimately things went well and then Sera said cruel and insensitive things.

 

As a player, I had similar feelings, but ultimately, I like and understand Sera better, but i also like that she's polarizing.

[Sifr]

Solas is truly a gem of a character because we have absolutely no idea what his motivations or his end goals are, whether they are postive or negative?

 

He's also such an engima to try and unravel, because sometimes he is the most insightful guy in the game and other times he's narrowminded to the point of coming across like a slightly racist grandparent, who wants to all the dwarves to go back underground where they belong and forget all this sunshine nonsense, because dwarves have always belonged underground, at least they knew that back in his day!

 

(On a similar note, I'm probably going to retire from that Fiona thread, when it gets to the point where "Sifr ends everything with a question mark" becomes one of the talking points of the discussion and counter-arguments, safe to say that all kind of rational discussion has left through the window and flown away on a griffon?)

 

[Cee]

Solas is truly a gem of a character because we have absolutely no idea what his motivations or his end goals are, whether they are postive or negative?

 

He's also such an engima to try and unravel, because sometimes he is the most insightful guy in the game and other times he's narrowminded to the point of coming across like a slightly racist grandparent, who wants to all the dwarves to go back underground where they belong and forget all this sunshine nonsense, because dwarves have always belonged underground, at least they knew that back in his day!

 

(On a similar note, I'm probably going to retire from that Fiona thread, when it gets to the point where "Sifr ends everything with a question mark" becomes one of the talking points of the discussion and counter-arguments, safe to say that all kind of rational discussion has left through the window and flown away on a griffon?)

 

 

 

I'd call both parts of this post solid.

[myahele]

Reminds me of Solas'  charade

 

Just a harmless elf mage apostate that wants to help