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[Cee]

Reminds me of Solas'  charade

 

 

[Sifr]

I'd call both parts of this post solid.

 

Yeah, I'm gonna stick to this thread for a while, where my eccentric love of the question mark is ignored (or merely tolerated)...

 

(It's a curly line and a dot that is used to ask questions, how is that not cool?)

 

Reminds me of Solas'  charade

 

Just a harmless elf mage apostate that wants to help

 

Does that make Lavellan the Ewe that made the Wolf briefly forget he wasn't really a Ram?

[Sable Rhapsody]

Does that make Lavellan the Ewe that made the Wolf briefly forget he wasn't really a Ram?

 

Or the female wolf also hiding among the sheep, depending on the Lavellan 

[Cee]

Or the female wolf also hiding among the sheep, depending on the Lavellan 

 

I was highly amused afterward that my rogue had the wolf card. Like this was some sort of fate.

[Niamaduir]

Characters with depth, whether this means things one doesn't like about them or things one does, or sometimes it can mean people like certain aspects but not others. Kind of like real life. Even Solas can be polarizing for some people, especially if he doesn't like your decisions and never comes to respect you, he can say some downright nasty stuff, even though it comes from a place of anger and pain and weariness.

 

I actively dislike Vivienne, and she is the only companion I've ever deliberately not recruited (on my second playthrough) but even she has some interesting bits in her background and amusing moments. I just think she has a terrible personality and the things she values are not something I can bring myself to like, coupled with her condescending attitude, and habit of using people, and that's just turned me off her completely. That said, Sera is another good example and my Lavellan and she had a rocky friendship but ultimately things went well and then Sera said cruel and insensitive things.

 

As a player, I had similar feelings, but ultimately, I like and understand Sera better, but i also like that she's polarizing.

 

Very true. There is a wonderful depth of story to the Dragon Age series that makes this possible. It has a very cinematic scope and a rich story. Some characters catch the attention of people because they find how the character is written is relate-able, or not as the case maybe. 

 

I also think that there is the aspect pf how you respond to the story that influences how you relate to the characters. I don't like Anora because she sells out my Warden to Cauthrien after I just rescued her from Howe, and she comes off to me in her characterization as being a bit stuck up. The last straw for me with her is when she shows up at the Landsmeet and denounces me to the nobles because I didn't agree with everything she said back at Eamon's estate. I don't like Vivienne because of how arch, condescending, and petty she can be when she decides she really doesn't like you. And I really hate her snide remarks about the Dalish. I don't mind Solas' beef with the Dalish because my Lavellan would be aware of the way her people can treat so called 'flat-eared' elves. Also on a personal note, I am never going to role a character that supports anything less than self governance for mages, so Vivienne's whole "we must insert Templars into the mage ranks" just rubs me wrong.

 

The other thing about rich stories is that they are open to immense interpretation. As an English Lit person, I would equate this to how you can look at Hamlet through multiple lens. You can read it with a view towards Feminists theory, or you can look at it through a socioeconomic lenses, or even Deconstruction. You can do the same in terms of theories about lore and personal head-canons in Dragon Age. Some theories and head canons may have more support in terms of evidence found in codexs and such, but the thing that makes Dragon Age different from a novel or play, is that it is not a complete work. We can't really say that "THIS IS HOW IT IS" because we don't have the complete picture yet, nor do I think we should. Just like a book, I think there are new things to learn and think about in terms of the over all story of Thedas each time you play. Moreover, I think you can look at the games through multiple lenses. Which lenses those are, of course, depend on who you are and how you perceive the world. 

[Siha]

(It's a curly line and a dot that is used to ask questions, how is that not cool?)

Ever since Warder pointed it out I keep noticing it though. Psychology at work.

 

Btw, I do know what I think of Loghain, Meredith, and Anders. I actually thought, individual people for themselves knew, only that there's no Geth consensus among all fans. Which I think you even find regarding the flattest and most one-dimensional characters ever in games, so this isn't limited to BioWare.

[Illyria]

The point I was trying to make, was that I don't see how it is possible for a Qunari woman to go from being told she will be a priest, or a cook, or whatever, to actually being accepted as a warrior, without having her mind broken by the re-educators. The Qunari don't make exceptions, it was their thing, I just don't get it.

Pretty great crossbow, no denying that. 

 

The Tamassans raise the Qunari kids see what jobs they're suitable for.  If a female Qunari was showing aptitude for a male job then they'd raise her as a boy and consider her a boy.  I think this would apply whether or not they are actually trans.  If Krem was a Qunari he'd be fine because his gender matches his job.  He wouldn't be fine if he wanted to be a tailor because that's a woman's job.

 

Please bare in mind that I'm not trans so if I'm explaining this in a way that is not correct and offensive to trans people then someone please correct me. 

 

Bianca is also a great woman and a good love interest for Varric!
 

[Niamaduir]

Oh bother, I think I now have a Solas/Lavellan story seed... damn my fickle muse 

 

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           He knew he was in trouble when the sky was cut open. It was not what he intended, but he had not the strength to protest, not in a way that would have made a difference. So he did what was necessary and offered his help to the humans that were scrambling, frantic and frenzied, to seal the wound in the sky. It should have been a simple thing. He was a deft hand at dissembling after all and with such chaos as there was, it would be a easy thing to insert himself. What he could not have accounted for, even in the wildest of his long spirit riddled sleep, was the survivor and the mark on her hand.

            A shudder went through him as the Seeker lead him down through the Chantry to the cells below. He thought it was in response to his own frustration and his disgust, both with the current situation and how quickly humans seemed to jump to conclusions. Thought it was not a trait that was necessarily relegated to their race, it seemed to him that they had perfected the means by which to use snap judgments as a cudgel. He carried the chill, unnerved sensation with him, as one might carry packed snow in one's hand and feel it melt between their fingers, leaving behind the lingering memory of cold on one's skin. It shuddered through him again as the Seeker opened the cage that held the maligned survivor of the Divine Conclave. And he knew then that things had gone terribly wrong.

            The Seeker needn't have jerked the prisoner's arm toward him to show him the mark that sizzled in and over her skin. He could feel it and knew it as one knows one's own body. It called to him with the echoes of magic that he had not heard since his long sleep. It spoke to him in a language of emotion that twisted in his gut. It touched him like a lodestone finds iron. If he had been alone, he might have blasted back the bars of the cell or shattered the rough wooden dungeon trapping into an infinitesimal scattering of splinters as he add one more mistake to the list of his faults. Instead, he took a breath and looked sternly at the Seeker.

            "Is it your intention to question her, Seeker? Or merely watch her die?"

            Cassandra Pentaghast, Seeker of Truth and Left Hand of the Divine, looked back at him, dark eyes wild and flinty holding something between the wild panic of unbroken stallion and the equally wild rage of a charging bull. He was not impressed, in his mind Falon'Din would always wear that look better.

            Raising a single brow, he crossed his arms over his chest, "Well, Seeker?" 

 

[Siha]

The Tamassans raise the Qunari kids see what jobs they're suitable for.  If a female Qunari was showing aptitude for a male job then they'd raise her as a boy and consider her a boy.  

 

Where is that from? Because all I've ever heard was:

 

Sten: "You are a Grey Warden. So it follows that you can't be a woman."

Sten: "Women are priests, artisans, farmers or shopkeepers. They don't fight."

(Warden: But some women do fight.) Sten: "Why would women have a wish to be men? That makes no sense."

(Warden: Women don't want to be men, they want to fight.) Sten: "Do they also wish to live on the moon? That's as attainable."

 

 

Followed by a lot of breaking this very basic world view.

[Ashaantha]

Solas thread, I lurk here often for all the artwork, awesome discussions and screenshots to be found .

 

Where is that from? Because all I've ever heard was:

 

Sten: "You are a Grey Warden. So it follows that you can't be a woman."

Sten: "Women are priests, artisans, farmers or shopkeepers. They don't fight."

(Warden: But some women do fight.) Sten: "Why would women have a wish to be men? That makes no sense."

(Warden: Women don't want to be men, they want to fight.) Sten: "Do they also wish to live on the moon? That's as attainable."

-snip-

 

Followed by a lot of breaking this very basic world view.

 

Exactly. Qun: If a person is a warrior they are no longer considered a woman, so of course it follows they cannot be a woman and a warrior.

Sten's saying that by Warden declaring she's a woman then she can't be a warrior. Declaring a warrior means she's a man (what gender she actually is doesn't matter, it's more of a philosophy take on it, not literal). My advice is take a step back and try to open your mind and not take it extremely literally, that's what I had to do to get my head around it the first time and all the qun stuff makes a lot more sense now for me.

[lynroy]

ASH!


*cough*

[Siha]

Declaring a warrior means she's a man (what gender she actually is doesn't matter, it's more of a philosophy take on it, not literal).

 

But my question was where this idea is coming from because I never came across it in the games. Was it published in one of the novels or WoT or something?

[CapricornSun]

Art again.

 

"Please look my way again." With deedylovescake's Pira Lavellan by karininini.

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http://karininini.tu...deedylovescakes

 

 

Fenedhis by deedylovescake.

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http://deedylovescak...344039/fenedhis

 

 

Hobo Solas. *w*

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http://schrodanger.t...ter-discovering

 

 

 

And from osatokun's stream earlier.

 

First, a lovely Solavellan smut. (NSFW obviously)

 

Solas and Lavellan on the couch reading (well, Solas is reading anyway.)

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http://osatokun.tumb...n-with-adelaide

 

 

Every night I dream you’re still here
The ghost by my side, so perfectly clear
                              Digital Daggers – Still Here   

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http://osatokun.tumb...re-the-ghost-by

 

 

Mafalda Lavellan calls for smut! xD

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http://osatokun.tumb...re-are-nectaras

 

 

Solas reading together with lots of Lavellans.

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http://osatokun.tumb...re-are-nectaras

 

 

Solas and Lavellan doodles. xD

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http://osatokun.tumb...-aaaaaaaaaaaaaa

 

[MoonDrummer]

Exactly. Qun: If a person is a warrior they are no longer considered a woman, so of course it follows they cannot be a woman and a warrior.

Sten's saying that by Warden declaring she's a woman then she can't be a warrior. Declaring a warrior means she's a man (what gender she actually is doesn't matter, it's more of a philosophy take on it, not literal). My advice is take a step back and try to open your mind and not take it extremely literally, that's what I had to do to get my head around it the first time and all the qun stuff makes a lot more sense now for me.

It just sounds so flimsy to me, I don't like it. 

 

Bianca is also a great woman and a good love interest for Varric!

[Illyria]

But my question was where this idea is coming from because I never came across it in the games. Was it published in one of the novels or WoT or something?

 

Bull has dialogue about it when you ask him about the Tamassans.  He says he was raised to be warrior then they found out he could hit stuff and lie, so he was moved to Ben-Hassrath.  If follow this line of thinking then a girl who showed aptitude as a warrior would be raised as a warrior and no longer considered a woman.  Great for Krem, bad for, say, Cassandra.  The most important thing to remember about the Qunari is they waste nothing.  If someone is good at hitting stuff then they're going to use them to hit stuff.  Likewise if a male qunari child is suited to the priesthood then they're going to use that.  In Qunari thinking their physical sex isn't important.  What matters is their role in the Qun - that's what they are in their soul.

[Siha]

I can't like signatures, but I'd like yours, Keith. Almost feels as if I had been listening to this song on repeat for days now. That you got it as your new sig is.... actually quite creepy now that I think about it.

[Siha]

Bull has dialogue about it when you ask him about the Tamassans.  He says he was raised to be warrior then they found out he could hit stuff and lie, so he was moved to Ben-Hassrath.  If follow this line of thinking then a girl who showed aptitude as a warrior would be raised as a warrior and no longer considered a woman.  ... In Qunari thinking their physical sex isn't important.  What matters is their role in the Qun - that's what they are in their soul.

 

I know Bull said that. But he never says a girl just becomes a boy if she's good at hitting stuff. It seems pretty far-fetched to me to just assume this without any evidence. Hence I want to know if we have any proof, anything to base this assumption on or if you guys only came up with it to explain the inconsistencies in BioWare's writing.

 

Sten's confusion confuses me. If the Qunari simply ignored the biological gender and assumed a person to be hisher role only, why does he even ask? Why does he address the female Warden asking "You are a woman but that cannot be"? She never says anything that justifies this very topic. She's just there and does her job. If it were normal for Qunari to see female "boys" who fight and simply lost their female status, why would he even notice or question at all?

 

The assumption might make sense considering DA2 and DAI, but in no way when looking at DAO.

[Felya87]

 

 

Edit: Top Solas

 

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Source: http://arlavellan.tu...st/119900754386

 

 

The Sorcerer, the Trickster and the Warrior.

 

Sigh. Why are the Dalish robes and light armour so much better in the male versione than in the female?!?!  I hate the female version of both. Expecially the scout armour. The female version is basically Merrill's outfit, so it feel more a mage robe than a scout armour.

[MoonDrummer]

Sigh. Why are the Dalish robes and light armour so much better in the male versione than in the female?!?!  I hate the female version of both. Expecially the scout armour. The female version is basically Merrill's outfit, so it feel more a mage robe than a scout armour.

Really? I much prefer the female version, especially for the robes, its more battlemagey.  

[Illyria]

I know Bull said that. But he never says a girl just becomes a boy if she's good at hitting stuff. It seems pretty far-fetched to me to just assume this without any evidence. Hence I want to know if we have any proof, anything to base this assumption on or if you guys only came up with it to explain the inconsistencies in BioWare's writing.

 

Sten's confusion confuses me. If the Qunari simply ignored the biological gender and assumed a person to be hisher role only, why does he even ask? Why does he address the female Warden asking "You are a woman but that cannot be"? She never says anything that justifies this very topic. She's just there and does her job. If it were normal for Qunari to see female "boys" who fight and simply lost their female status, why would he even notice or question at all?

 

The assumption might make sense considering DA2 and DAI, but in no way when looking at DAO.

 

Sten's issue is that the Warden never denies she's a woman, and that doesn't make sense.  He'd have the same problem with Aveline and Cass.  They don't go up to everyone they meet and say 'hello, my name is Cassandra and I am a woman' but it's not something that is in doubt.  That's why he's confused.  If they're women, then they're not warrior.  But they are warriors and they are women.

 

I don't think it's far fetched.  We know that Tamassans are the ones who determin where a child should be in the Qun.  We know they don't waste anything.  We know the Qunari see themselves as being cells in a huge organisim (the Qun itself) so it makes sense that a girl who is good at fighting and shows more of an aptitute towards the warrior role rather than the spy role would be thought of as Aqun-Athlok.  As Bull says 'they are real men' but what a Qunari might think of a 'real man' may be different from our view of gender.  A female qunari who is good at fighting would be a man, reguardless of their own views on their gender.

 

At least, that's what I took from what he was saying.  I may be completely wrong.

 

It just sounds so flimsy to me, I don't like it. 

 

 

I take that to mean you completely agree with me in everyway!

 

Yes?

 

Yes.

 

Sigh. Why are the Dalish robes and light armour so much better in the male versione than in the female?!?!  I hate the female version of both. Expecially the scout armour. The female version is basically Merrill's outfit, so it feel more a mage robe than a scout armour.

 

Everytime I see Neria in the Skyhold garden I want to steal her robes.  How come she gets the male version of the mage robe and I get the stupid Merrill one? (I even have a DA2 mod that prevents Merrill from changing her outfit when she's romanced).

[Felya87]

 

Everytime I see Neria in the Skyhold garden I want to steal her robes.  How come she gets the male version of the mage robe and I get the stupid Merrill one? (I even have a DA2 mod that prevents Merrill from changing her outfit when she's romanced).

 

Same here  the male version is much more serious and have a wise-feeling the female version lack of. The scout armour for female feel like a more mage robe than the female keeper's robe...

[Illyria]

Same here  the male version is much more serious and have a wise-feeling the female version lack of. The scout armour for female feel like a more mage robe than the female keeper's robe...

 

The scout version is actually Neria's starting robe.  Why does she get it and not the SP mages?  (althought it would be nicer if the chainmail wasn't right next to the skin).

[Felya87]

The scout version is actually Neria's starting robe.  Why does she get it and not the SP mages?  (althought it would be nicer if the chainmail wasn't right next to the skin).

I don't play MP, so I only know the character that reside in Skyhold time to time, and she have the male version of the Keeper robes...and I envy her a lot. Same for my male elf I forced to wear the scout armour.

[Illyria]

I don't play MP, so I only know the character that reside in Skyhold time to time, and she have the male version of the Keeper robes...and I envy her a lot. Same for my male elf I forced to wear the scout armour.

 

That's Neria the Keeper.  She's the only MP character I've played.  She's used in some War Table missions, too. 

 

A bunch of the MP characters hang around near Cullen's office.  All of them wear armour that isn't otherwise in SP.

[MoonDrummer]

I can't like signatures, but I'd like yours, Keith. Almost feels as if I had been listening to this song on repeat for days now. That you got it as your new sig is.... actually quite creepy now that I think about it.

I've had it that way for a while now and I listen to that album a lot, so yeah, I doubt there is some sort of higher power involved in this. But you never know.