I can not wait until we get a nice little Solas DLC. I need him back in my party dammit! Yet I fear closure because that means losing interest and moving on. I want to love Solas for as long as I can (lol I'm pathetic) I really crave and hate the idea of a Wolf Hunt DLC. I bet I'm alone in this confusion....
I don't think you are. I really want a DLC also...but there I have this terrible feeling that the closure that's going to be there is going to be a tragic one.
I can not wait until we get a nice little Solas DLC. I need him back in my party dammit! Yet I fear closure because that means losing interest and moving on. I want to love Solas for as long as I can (lol I'm pathetic) I really crave and hate the idea of a Wolf Hunt DLC. I bet I'm alone in this confusion....
This is kind of like
'You know not what you ask'
and yet you want it anyway.
We understand.
edit: I've embarrasingly tweeted the thing at Weekes, so letttts see if he sees it.
I don't think you are. I really want a DLC also...but there I have this terrible feeling that the closure that's going to be there is going to be a tragic one.
I do as well, but I think I want the closure more than the eventual inevitable metric ton of emotions that are sure to follow.
I would agree with this. And I feel like they're drawn together by a bunch of different reasons but sometimes emotional intimacy becomes physical intimacy even without traditions and rituals under the right circumstances. Their body language from beginning to end, especially if in a romance, definitely shows greater physical intimacy as time goes on. (And it doesn't necessarily have to be sexual for those who don't want to read it that way - even though I do add that part.) Also everything Lavellan has to do, all of the quick change and looming world destroying doom kind of inadvertently tables the "where exactly is this going?" discussion. In the fic I put up yesterday, I included a reference to this...the discussion sort of silently tabled until after Corypheus while they just get through the day to day.
My Lavellan, I headcanon her as being a bit older and having already been through love and heartbreak and the evolution of certain relationships and such. Not that she forsakes traditions but there are also other factors both in her own clan, her culture, and within herself due to her previous experiences that have an effect.
I have a similar headcanon with my Lavellan. I think of her as being in her mid to late thirties with some knowledge of an intimate relationship. Part of this for me is a reaction to how the games themselves have aged the characters up. Most of your companions seem to be in their thirties or a bit older, the only two who strike me as younger are Sera and Cole. Cullen, I think is about 20ish Origins, so with it being ten years later, he's at least thirty. Leliana and Cassandra are possibly older, but maybe only in the thirty-five or so range.
Not that you can't role a character that is younger, but roling my Lavellan as older works for me, especially after the whole passage of time thing that Bioware did in DA:2, which arguably would have worked better if there had been some "aging" applied to the character models during time jumps. Also, and this is totally my own opinion, I have a hard time believing in my Inquisitor as an agent in her own right if she's younger. I just think that with all the references to The Game and all, that it would be hard not to see a younger Inquisitor as a Chantry puppet.
And I totally agree with the implied intimacy that occurs. I love the nuance that the writing and character modeling give so much nuance to this particular relationship that it can be interpreted is so many different ways.
Oooo look what I found on Solasmancers subreddit. It's a short video from Solas' voice actor. https://www.celebvm.com/video/cMs3k7
Damn I had hoped he would be like Alistair and always have the same voice, but you can totally hear some of Solas' voice when he talks.
edit: Linked the wrong one! I watched this one first: http://www.celebvm.com/video/tjgzfN and the first video I posted killed me when he said "sweetheart" at the end. Wtf! Damn this voice actor!
It's obviously not possible to know, and Solas went to recharge immediately, taking plan B for whatever he (and possibly Flemeth) had planned in Thedas.
I think one of the reasons he reacts so emotionally when he sees the broken orb (the moment when he turns around and immediately, his face changes, the mask goes back on.....it kills me) is that it represents another failed plan, a final loss of particular hope, as well as possibly meaning that he is now forced to take actions he might have wanted to avoid.
All speculation but there are things, such as the unfinished fresco panel sketched out but left uncolored, and what he says to a romanced Lavellan about everything being made clear, that suggested, even if was going to leave, that he did not plan a sudden, rapid disappearance.
Reading this made me think of this video regarding the "break-up."
This particular player chooses some interesting lines in the conversation that gets Solas to say:
"There are few regrets sharper than watching fools squander what you sacrificed to achieve."
I am not sure that there was much intent to however Coryfish ended up with the orb. My read on it, given what happens at the end of the game and how Solas acts in general with in the Inquisition, is that maybe the supposed "trickster" was himself tricked, not a common motif in mythology, but it does happen. I do wonder that the Anchor may not be the best thing for our Inquisitor regardless of Origin. This line (at marker 1:04) coupled with everything else he says and some of what Weeks has said about the romance and break-up itself worries me that we may be in for a rough, and perhaps ultimately tragic end to this romance. Of course I am holding out hope that the romance might give our players and extra edge to possibly prevent Solas from unleashing whatever really bad plan he's got in mind. I have this nagging feeling that he may be a bit on the ruthless side when it comes to correcting whatever "mistake" he believes he has made.
Oooo look what I found on Solasmancers subreddit. It's a short video from Solas' voice actor. https://www.celebvm.com/video/cMs3k7
Damn I had hoped he would be like Alistair and always have the same voice, but you can totally hear some of Solas' voice when he talks.
edit: Linked the wrong one! I watched this one first: http://www.celebvm.com/video/tjgzfN and the first video I posted killed me when he said "sweetheart" at the end. Wtf! Damn this voice actor!
Many people also know him from some other roles, especially as Ianto from Torchwood. I only truly gave Torchwood a shot around January (though I had been wanting to watch for a while and just never got past the first episode for a long, long time), which meant that I had many different feelings, simultaneously, over different characters played by the same actor.
Episode 4 is when Torchwood truly hooked me, and he really, really shines in it. In fact, that's where Ianto became my favorite character. A ton of feels right there, early in the first season.
Three actors featured in Torchwood have made it over to DA so far - Eve Myles was Merrill, and Gareth David-Lloyd and Indira Varma are in DAI as Solas and Vivienne.
But even after giving me feels in Torchwood, I've just marveled even more at just how good he is as a voice actor.
Reading this made me think of this video regarding the "break-up."
Spoiler
This particular player chooses some interesting lines in the conversation that gets Solas to say:
"There are few regrets sharper than watching fools squander what you sacrificed to achieve."
I am not sure that there was much intent to however Coryfish ended up with the orb. My read on it, given what happens at the end of the game and how Solas acts in general with in the Inquisition, is that maybe the supposed "trickster" was himself tricked, not a common motif in mythology, but it does happen. I do wonder that the Anchor may not be the best thing for our Inquisitor regardless of Origin. This line (at marker 1:04) coupled with everything else he says and some of what Weeks has said about the romance and break-up itself worries me that we may be in for a rough, and perhaps ultimately tragic end to this romance. Of course I am holding out hope that the romance might give our players and extra edge to possibly prevent Solas from unleashing whatever really bad plan he's got in mind. I have this nagging feeling that he may be a bit on the ruthless side when it comes to correcting whatever "mistake" he believes he has made.
Solas is also someone who cares deeply but doesn't always show it openly, or can't quite do so. He has such deep scars and regrets and pain and from his speaking via Cole at the end, it seems like he feels like he's on some sort of suicide mission that he feels he has to do alone, in spite of his greatest fear.
All the feels, truly. I love and hate how obscure it all is, because we truly have no idea what they have planned other than the tiniest strands of speculation, mostly based on his past and other hints.
edit: I've embarrasingly tweeted the thing at Weekes, so letttts see if he sees it.
Weekes has seen it alright. 
I am a very small part of a very large team. Those feels come from everybody. 
Source: https://twitter.com/...110638965628930
hehe..I started watching Torchwood recently as well. Episode 4.. 
Poor Ianto.
Weekes has seen it alright.
Spoiler
I am a very small part of a very large team. Those feels come from everybody.
Yep, I got the notification. I was out though, and just got back home. I always give so much credit to the team because I am impressed at all of it. I haven't been this intense about a character in a long time and it's a mix of all of the work everyone put in.
hehe..I started watching Torchwood recently as well. Episode 4..
Episode 1, okay. Episode 2. okay, this is kind of going somewhere. Episode 3. Episode 4.....:'( okay now I am hooked.
Ianto feels of several kinds will continue through each season. He's a great character.
Episode 1, okay. Episode 2. okay, this is kind of going somewhere. Episode 3. Episode 4.....:'( okay now I am hooked.
Ianto feels of several kinds will continue through each season. He's a great character.
I don't remember which episode I'm on now..I took a break to watch Friends. :-P I plan on watching again soon though.
I got so hooked I marathoned Torchwood in about two weeks. It was post-new year's slow work times and I was watching about three episodes a day. 
Some art.
Lethallin! (m!Lavellan friendship with Solas. 
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Welcome to hell! Welcome to hell! <-- According to the artist ^__^;
Solas warm up doodle.
Lavellan and her team of sexy men. 
Did someone say "elves"?
I have one to share too...it's not Solas but it made me giggle. Aveline is the greatest!! 
http://epitome-of-si...RRIOR-536010053
Solas is also someone who cares deeply but doesn't always show it openly, or can't quite do so. He has such deep scars and regrets and pain and from his speaking via Cole at the end, it seems like he feels like he's on some sort of suicide mission that he feels he has to do alone, in spite of his greatest fear.
All the feels, truly. I love and hate how obscure it all is, because we truly have no idea what they have planned other than the tiniest strands of speculation, mostly based on his past and other hints.
Oh the obscurity of it gets to me as well. I mean we literately have no concrete idea about what happened. Mythal/Flemmeth go on about something happening that was not suppose to happen. Solas drops countless hints and innuendo that the Elvhen "gods" might not have been that great after all. (I am seriously getting a Grecro/Roman vibe from them but that's just where I am at in my own speculation right now). We know that Tevinter was not responsible for the fall of Arlathan, but we are seriously shy on the details of what exactly happened.
On the note that there are a lot subtle things going on with Solas, I can't quiet shake the look he give the Herald once they get to Skyhold.
It starts around marker 1:23 and runs to 1:30, and I get chills every time I see it, because it strikes me as being a bit sinister or maybe calculating on his part, given that Skyhold is built on Elvhen the ruins that may or may not be associated with Fen'Harel. I really doubt that it is a coincidence that Solas knows where that keep was.
I do think he's someone who cares deeply, and I don't deny that he love Lavellan, she is his vhenan after all. I do not see him as someone who would use those words causally. But those feelings are not enough, at least at this point in the story, to stop him from doing whatever it is he's going to do, which I think could put our Inquisitor in danger in the near future. I am kinda afraid, as much as I love his romance arch, that there is a part of him that we've only caught glimpses of, ie All New, Faded for Her, that would not hesitate to use or break his vhenan if it furthered his end goal. I think that may factor into why he leaves so suddenly, he knows what he's capable of doing to her and himself to fix whatever went wrong. I know this is all very dark and twisty.
It starts around marker 1:23 and runs to 1:30, and I get chills every time I see it, because it strikes me as being a bit sinister or maybe calculating on his part, given that Skyhold is built on Elvhen the ruins that may or may not be associated with Fen'Harel. I really doubt that it is a coincidence that Solas knows where that keep was.
I do think he's someone who cares deeply, and I don't deny that he love Lavellan, she is his vhenan after all. I do not see him as someone who would use those words causally. But those feelings are not enough, at least at this point in the story, to stop him from doing whatever it is he's going to do, which I think could put our Inquisitor in danger in the near future. I am kinda afraid, as much as I love his romance arch, that there is a part of him that we've only caught glimpses of, ie All New, Faded for Her, that would not hesitate to use or break his vhenan if it furthered his end goal. I think that may factor into why he leaves so suddenly, he knows what he's capable of doing to her and himself to fix whatever went wrong. I know this is all very dark and twisty.
I never got a bad vibe from the look he gives the Inquisitor, more of a determined, "I trust in you." or "Can she/he really do this?" type of look.
I also think that Solas would definitely harm or potentially sacrifice the Inquisitor no matter how much he loved her. Look at what he did to Flemeth, his old friend. I think an outcome like that would make the story more amazing, but be REALLY tragic at the same time. What could potentially be even worse is if he has the leash to Mythal's power and the Inquisitor drank from the well. Would he use the power if it was the only way to achieve his goals?
You're right, he does have that transition from smiling to something ... no nice.
Anyways, it's not surprising. The Solas personality we knew was just an act that people like Bull and Vivienne alluded to.
I'm curious to see what's behind that mild-mannered demeanor.
On the note that there are a lot subtle things going on with Solas, I can't quiet shake the look he give the Herald once they get to Skyhold.
Spoiler
It starts around marker 1:23 and runs to 1:30, and I get chills every time I see it, because it strikes me as being a bit sinister or maybe calculating on his part, given that Skyhold is built on Elvhen the ruins that may or may not be associated with Fen'Harel. I really doubt that it is a coincidence that Solas knows where that keep was.
Definitely no coincidence, and I'd love to learn more about the history of Skyhold. On the one hand, given the conversation he has with the Inquisitor in that scene (it varies a little by race) and both the arguments among the advisors and the show of faith after that, Solas is definitely calculating, but it never seems malicious. He needs this Inquisition to succeed since, for the moment, their plans align, so he figures out a way for you to, after saving people in Haven, somehow guide them to relative safety in a new base. As he says "be their guide" and in his remarks around the torch, especially to a Lavellan, he talks about human faith and its impact in relation to the Inquisitor. He guides you to guide them and shore up your power.
That face he gives though... you can't deny he looks really hot
Yuppppppp.
I guess I interpreted it a bit differently than you guys. I saw the 'look' as something else. To me, it reads more as though he is letting you spread your wings and seeing just how things will go. So he is curious, hopeful, a little impressed... but still with some doubt. Even though he doubts in 'people', you're the best chance of success he's seen in a long time.
Would he use the power if it was the only way to achieve his goals?
I think that is the question. I also wonder about the Anchor itself in this way, as it was derived from his Foci. Given how opposed he is to subjugation, I am not sure he would deliberately pull on those strings in a way that negated the Inquistor's or Lavellan's will. He might, however, bend the truth to secure your aide, I think that's definitely possible.
He is a well written and deeply complex character, I would hazard he is the most complex in the series to date, aside from possibly Flemeth, The problem is that there is very little we concretely know about him. He's complicated. He's frustrated with a lot of the black and white dichotomies in the current climate of Thedas, but he does not trust a friendly Inquisitor or a romanced Lavellan to come clean about who he is and why he's there. And he has no faith in the idea that a group can hold power without falling prey to corruption.
I do hope that if he is the focus of the next game, that Bioware addresses some of these questions and give us some sort of closure to the romance before DA:4. I find it interesting for a design stand point that even though Solas ends the relationship you cannot have a "rebound" romance with anyone.
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