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It's likely that there are some references to something happening or some rumblings if Solas sets anything in motion if the next DLC is story-based, but we'll probably get whatever significant stuff leading into where we're headed last.

 

We already have several possible threads to follow that will either be in DLC or in the next game though, and they're all pretty compelling.

 

When it comes to Solas' plans, whatever they be and how it might impact the future games;

 

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When it comes to Solas' plans, whatever they be and how it might impact the future games;

 

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I mostly like this possibility. It's both great and frustrating that whatever is coming is so obscure. Though this suggestion does, as you say, take some player control away in a way that would make people feel they have little impact (but some people already feel that way about the direction BW has headed in anyway! ;))



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While I'm in favour overall of giving players choice and a sense of agency, I can see why they might need to occasionally railroad us a little, since it does prevent the series from getting too complicated down the road?

 

The OGB is a great example of this, having him exist was fine when Origins was a standalone game, but once it came to expand the series, Kieran ended up being the elephant in the living room. Bringing him back simply to depower him and remove that dangling thread from play was all they could do, short of killing him.

 

Reminds me a little of all those who want the Warden to return, to which I have to point to Hawke's return and how one outcome for that can end, proving that Solas wasn't wrong when he said that "May you learn" was one of the worst curses to bestow on another. Would rather have my protagonists alive and offscreen elsewhere than be around to be bumped off unceremoniously.


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I agree, and the devs confirm that whatever plans they have for Solas are crit path first, regardless. But in fandoms, we all know some are always ready to practically riot and never forgive anything/see the reason behind certain moves. :)


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I would not mind a "railroad" if you will, but I will be slightly irked if I do not get to vent at Solas. The way he ends the romance, he's making your decision for you. He doesn't explain anything, or entertain the idea that you might agree with him. He just leaves you hanging. He's clear on the fact that he still loves you, but its not enough for whatever reason, which he again never explains. Alternately, it could be too much, like you being with him and having to take your safety into consideration would keep him from doing what he need to do, still not happy about having that call made for me, would have felt better if he'd explained himself personally and not through a superstitiously heard message to Cole. You at least get the whole "what if you tire to stop me" from Anders if you romance him, all you get from Solas is "It wasn't suppose to be like this" and then he's gone. 

 

I am hoping, irregardless of what a Solas story based DLC looks like, that it will be respectful of all the different ways you could interact with him and give us satisfying outcomes, even if they are ultimately heart-wrenching ones.



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Some music that reminds me of Solas :(

 

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Oh hey! Lots of pretty art I found! :)

 

Lots of Solas artworks:

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Morning, vhenan! (Slightly NSFW)

 

Solas and Abelas being jerks.  -_-

 

Trevelyan can't see as far as your elf eyes, Solas.

 

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My Lavellan chose the option, when talking to Solas, that the Dalish didn't make her that way, it was her own choices that led her to be who she was. And she follows that to the letter even at the Well. She listens to Cole and Solas, especially, and chooses what she thinks is best overall. Morrigan would be the better vessel. What if it countered her mark somehow? She wouldn't have known.

 

What do you mean by that? Do you mean that it's not good idea to drink from the well because you have the mark?



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What do you mean by that? Do you mean that it's not good idea to drink from the well because you have the mark?

no no, not at all. Just from a character standpoint, the well's effects on you and your mark is a complete unknown. If it were to compel the drinker, as they suggest, it could imperil the Inquisitions effort to save the world (for all they know). My Lavellan wouldn't risk that.... My Trevelyan would, though ;)
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no no, not at all. Just from a character standpoint, the well's effects on you and your mark is a complete unknown. If it were to compel the drinker, as they suggest, it could imperil the Inquisitions effort to save the world (for all they know). My Lavellan wouldn't risk that.... My Trevelyn would, though ;)

I agree. It's a huge risk to drink from that well because doing so you become bound to Mythal who can compel you to do whatever she wants. Of course that is not known for sure until later but anyway. It's also a huge risk to let somebody else to drink from that well because the person who drinks from the well gains access to very valuable information. When I make the decision should my PC drink from the well or not I always think that could my Lavellans trust Morrrigan so that they would let her drink from it and so far they haven't. They have also wanted to gain acess to that information because it's their heritage and so much of it is lost and that knowledge gained from the well can be used to restore some of their culture. However my other inquistitors have let Morrigan to drink from it because they think that risks of drinking from it are too huge and they are not interested in elven heritage that much.



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I agree. It's a huge risk to drink from that well because doing so you become bound to Mythal who can compel you to do whatever she wants. Of course that is not known for sure until later but anyway. It's also a huge risk to let somebody else to drink from that well because the person who drinks from the well gains access to very valuable information. When I make the decision should my PC drink from the well or not I always think that could my Lavellans trust Morrrigan so that they would let her drink from it and so far they haven't. They have also wanted to gain acess to that information because it's their heritage and so much of it is lost and that knowledge gained from the well can be used to restore some of their culture. However my other inquistitors have let Morrigan to drink from it because they think that risks of drinking from it are too huge and they are not interested in elven heritage that much.

 

As an in-character decision, my Lavellan did not drink for a couple of reasons. There was still work to be done, and the risks of drinking were entirely unknown. She didn't quite trust Morrigan but she also listened to the advice of her companions and she took Solas' advice. As a player, I was accidentally spoiled on Solas' identity right before the temple (which made me play through the temple mission ASAP because my reaction was basically stunned silence and then WHAT? OMG WHAT?), so that added in more reason to trust him, IMO, but if I wasn't spoiled, I think the decision would've been the same. Corypheus had to be stopped and she needed full free will to make sure nothing undermined that.


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Well if the theory that Solas is Shartan the elf that helped to lead Andraste bring Thedas into monotheism. Solas's game could be to adsorb the essence of the deities of Thedas to become the long awaited Maker, and sealing the weakened deities in mirrors. If this was the plan, it would explain why Flemeth wanted the old god's soul, and then turned in both her essence and the old god's. She was playing collector/co-conspirator taking the old god's power, while having Morrigan seal the soul in her son.The question is with the Anchor gone how will his plan play out? The Breach could have been Solas's way of bring the deities of Thedas out of hiding, but he lost his trump card. He can take their power by force, but what if one of these deities is to strong to seal without the Anchor. If another deity's soul was to mix with Solas and corrupt him it could be worse than any blight.        



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Well if the theory that Solas is Shartan the elf that helped to lead Andraste bring Thedas into monotheism. Solas's game could be to adsorb the essence of the deities of Thedas to become the long awaited Maker, and sealing the weakened deities in mirrors. If this was the plan, it would explain why Flemeth wanted the old god's soul, and then turned in both her essence and the old god's. She was playing collector/co-conspirator taking the old god's power, while having Morrigan seal the soul in her son.The question is with the Anchor gone how will his plan play out? The Breach could have been Solas's way of bring the deities of Thedas out of hiding, but he lost his trump card. He can take their power by force, but what if one of these deities is to strong to seal without the Anchor. If another deity's soul was to mix with Solas and corrupt him it could be worse than any blight.        

 

That's an interesting theory but I can't imagine Solas to be that mean. Cole says this in his banter with Solas:

 

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As an in-character decision, my Lavellan did not drink for a couple of reasons. There was still work to be done, and the risks of drinking were entirely unknown. She didn't quite trust Morrigan but she also listened to the advice of her companions and she took Solas' advice. As a player, I was accidentally spoiled on Solas' identity right before the temple (which made me play through the temple mission ASAP because my reaction was basically stunned silence and then WHAT? OMG WHAT?), so that added in more reason to trust him, IMO, but if I wasn't spoiled, I think the decision would've been the same. Corypheus had to be stopped and she needed full free will to make sure nothing undermined that.

I was also spoiled by Solas' identity when I played that mission but I think I would have chosen the same option even if I wouldn't have been spoiled by his identity. I don't remember anymore does that choice give disapproval to all inquisitors or does it give it just to romanced Lavellans. Anyway I think the reason why he disapproves of it so strongly is that  he doesn't want anybody to be bound to somebody and the idea that his lover is bound to Mythal is something that he probably dsapproves even more because he wants you to be free even if the deicision doesn't give more disapproval. I think his emotions has taken control of him in that situation as well. He clearly doesn't trust Morrigan and doesn't want her to drink from the well but I believe that he doesn't want you to drink from it because he wants to protect you and wants you to be free. He also doesn't say which one of you should drink from it. He only disapproves if you drink from the well. Because he knews that Mythal wouldn't prevent you from saving the world so that's why I think that his reasons for disapproving that you drink from it must be something personal.

 

Because Solas doesn't want to drink from the well himself and he doesn't say which one of you should drink from the well my Lavellans have decided to drink from it because they value their heritage so much more and they can't be sure what Morrigan will do about it. They accept that they might pay the price for it in the future and they will do it even if their lover doesn't want them to do it.


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Ooooookay. Sorry to go off topic, but since some of you asked for a place to bookmark for future pages of the comic I've been playing with, I've made a tumblr! 

 

I decided to name it Lothlenan. If anyone is interested in the language of the elves or has knowledge of it, feel free to read and dissect my logic in the first post, come back here and tell me if I'm wrong or right in how I interpreted it. Because honestly, I haven't seen anyone comment on the word's meanings, or the fact that hey, we have a word for "Forgotten"!!!! I had to make my own assumptions. Also while I didn't mention it, it goes a little dark if one thinks it actually translates to something like 'place of forgotten children' which...could equate something to the Forgotten Ones. :o

I will throw the stuff I've done up there later, I'll keep it updated with more as they come. All future dragon agey art will be posted there. :)
 


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Well if the theory that Solas is Shartan the elf that helped to lead Andraste bring Thedas into monotheism. Solas's game could be to adsorb the essence of the deities of Thedas to become the long awaited Maker, and sealing the weakened deities in mirrors. If this was the plan, it would explain why Flemeth wanted the old god's soul, and then turned in both her essence and the old god's. She was playing collector/co-conspirator taking the old god's power, while having Morrigan seal the soul in her son.The question is with the Anchor gone how will his plan play out? The Breach could have been Solas's way of bring the deities of Thedas out of hiding, but he lost his trump card. He can take their power by force, but what if one of these deities is to strong to seal without the Anchor. If another deity's soul was to mix with Solas and corrupt him it could be worse than any blight.        

 

I'm not a fan of the Fen'Harel=Shartan theory (or the Mythal, Sera ones either) it puts too much importance and historical weight on a handful of characters and I'd rather spread it around a bit. TBH I'd think a lot less of Solas if giving his orb to Cory is a plan he came up with after hundreds of years in the world rather than it being a OMG WHAT I HAVE DONE! MUST FIXXXXxxx reaction by a newly awakened ancient elf. 

 

But supposing it is true his character doesn't seem the type to go after power for powers sake, if he wanted to create belief in the Maker and steal other gods' power they'd probably be a reason behind it. 


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No not really, I don't want to spoil anything, so I can't really go into greater detail.  :unsure:

I'm somewhere in Act 2, and indignant at how many side-quests I've missed, but way too into the main story to reasonably get around to doing them. So, naturally, I started my usual Pro-North Pro-Vernon Roche Appearing in All Media, Polish, Hard playthrough.  :lol: (As opposed to my current Iorveth for DA4 love interest one. :P

Considering the sadistic choices I've already had to make, and the sheer amount of 'feelz' and 'Oh sweet Maker no I didn't mean to do that', you just terrified a brick-house out of me.  :( All of the side-quests, as I cower in fear from decisions.  :lol: And I hear that there's a lot of fishing for treasure out in Skellige. Just to be safe, I'll check and double-check every last pond in the Continent too.

This has nothing to do with my completely misunderstanding the new leveling system and screwing up my character and being too proud to reset everything.  :ph34r:

(Dem Tier 3 Swordsmanship skills, though. :D )

Tl:dr: Having Jaws of Haakon come out for non-Xbox One and PC gamers after this game came out makes no sense whatsoever.  :lol: 


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While I'm in favour overall of giving players choice and a sense of agency, I can see why they might need to occasionally railroad us a little, since it does prevent the series from getting too complicated down the road?

 

The OGB is a great example of this, having him exist was fine when Origins was a standalone game, but once it came to expand the series, Kieran ended up being the elephant in the living room. Bringing him back simply to depower him and remove that dangling thread from play was all they could do, short of killing him.

 

Reminds me a little of all those who want the Warden to return, to which I have to point to Hawke's return and how one outcome for that can end, proving that Solas wasn't wrong when he said that "May you learn" was one of the worst curses to bestow on another. Would rather have my protagonists alive and offscreen elsewhere than be around to be bumped off unceremoniously.

Yeah, in a story like DA's, I don't particularly want my player characters to come back if I don't get any control over them. Now, if it was a Leliana's Song kind of deal where we got to play Hawke and the Warden riding the waves of chaos that are of course going on, say in Weisshaupt and the dwarf-lyrium-pirates across the sea, then I'd be delighted. Hawke's appearance was kind of pushing it, as, (while it's understandable), Hawke didn't feel like my Hawke, and a lot of his role was diminished by having to account for every players' decisions. But then you diminish the value of decisions within the game if you ignore the non-canon ones, as seen with Anders having 'faked his death' and Leliana's decapitation by Sten in the Temple of Sacred Ashes being healed.  :unsure: (My bad, Lels. Um...don't hate the player, hate the game for locking Reaver in my youth?)

The Urthemiel plotline was a doozy to handle.  :lol: I thought they did well, considering. I'd still love to interact with Urthemiel more directly, but some people didn't trust the swamp witch to take their blighted seed and make an unblighted Old God Tyke of Surprisingly Classy Playground Architecture.  :lol: (Think of the Legos, people, the Legos!)


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Yeah, in a story like DA's, I don't particularly want my player characters to come back if I don't get any control over them. Now, if it was a Leliana's Song kind of deal where we got to play Hawke and the Warden riding the waves of chaos that are of course going on, say in Weisshaupt and the dwarf-lyrium-pirates across the sea, then I'd be delighted. Hawke's appearance was kind of pushing it, as, (while it's understandable), Hawke didn't feel like my Hawke, and a lot of his role was diminished by having to account for every players' decisions. But then you diminish the value of decisions within the game if you ignore the non-canon ones, as seen with Anders having 'faked his death' and Leliana's decapitation by Sten in the Temple of Sacred Ashes being healed.  :unsure: (My bad, Lels. Um...don't hate the player, hate the game for locking Reaver in my youth?)

The Urthemiel plotline was a doozy to handle.  :lol: I thought they did well, considering. I'd still love to interact with Urthemiel more directly, but some people didn't trust the swamp witch to take their blighted seed and make an unblighted Old God Tyke of Surprisingly Classy Playground Architecture.  :lol: (Think of the Legos, people, the Legos!)

 

I agree that if a previous player character is now beyond our control, I don't particularly want to see them back either.  Hawke didn't feel like MY character anymore.  I couldn't choose what she said or where she went or what she did ... she was just another NPC.  I knew more about her than I did the other NPCs but that was pretty much it.  She just wasn't my Hawke anymore.

 

At this point I really feel done with both the Warden and Hawke.  Despite the lack of resolution with the Warden - and no, making the Warden disappear because "reasons" and then saying "Oh, uh the Warden went to look for a cure for the Blight!  Yeah, that's it, that's the ticket!" is not a resolution, it's just the devs going, well crud what do we do with the Warden now?  

 

I don't feel done with the Inquisitor.  Maybe future DLC will give us closure/resolution/skipping happily off into the sunset/dying tragically.  We'll see.

 

Edit:  I realise I sound a little bitter about the Warden.  I'm not really.  I just feel no particular desire to play as that character again.


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I'm somewhere in Act 2, and indignant at how many side-quests I've missed, but way too into the main story to reasonably get around to doing them. So, naturally, I started my usual Pro-North Pro-Vernon Roche Appearing in All Media, Polish, Hard playthrough.  :lol: (As opposed to my current Iorveth for DA4 love interest one. :P

Considering the sadistic choices I've already had to make, and the sheer amount of 'feelz' and 'Oh sweet Maker no I didn't mean to do that', you just terrified a brick-house out of me.  :( All of the side-quests, as I cower in fear from decisions.  :lol: And I hear that there's a lot of fishing for treasure out in Skellige. Just to be safe, I'll check and double-check every last pond in the Continent too.

This has nothing to do with my completely misunderstanding the new leveling system and screwing up my character and being too proud to reset everything.  :ph34r:

(Dem Tier 3 Swordsmanship skills, though. :D )

Most of my bad decisions came in act 1, after that I had pretty good luck. The decision I was talking about was more of a lose no matter what, but it depends on your opinions on...things. 

 

Tl:dr: Having Jaws of Haakon come out for non-Xbox One and PC gamers after this game came out makes no sense whatsoever.   :lol: 

 

Quite possibly the worst business decision ever. 

 

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hehehe...new liliumsnow comic

http://liliumsnow.de...reams-536525947

 

huge sketch dump

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I agree that if a previous player character is now beyond our control, I don't particularly want to see them back either.  Hawke didn't feel like MY character anymore.  I couldn't choose what she said or where she went or what she did ... she was just another NPC.  I knew more about her than I did the other NPCs but that was pretty much it.  She just wasn't my Hawke anymore.

 

At this point I really feel done with both the Warden and Hawke.  Despite the lack of resolution with the Warden - and no, making the Warden disappear because "reasons" and then saying "Oh, uh the Warden went to look for a cure for the Blight!  Yeah, that's it, that's the ticket!" is not a resolution, it's just the devs going, well crud what do we do with the Warden now?  

 

I don't feel done with the Inquisitor.  Maybe future DLC will give us closure/resolution/skipping happily off into the sunset/dying tragically.  We'll see.

 

Edit:  I realise I sound a little bitter about the Warden.  I'm not really.  I just feel no particular desire to play as that character again.

 

Yeah, I get you, I feel the same about my Warden. I reckon that they would likely be invested in rebuilding the Wardens for the most part after the Blight (which isn't adventure story material really) and going on missions much like the DA:O DLC. I felt like we'd got enough of a taste of their life. To be honest, I feel sorry for my Warden - I think given how screwed the wardens have been by Corypheus, how corruptible, I think she's beginning to seriously regret leaving the circle tower. I'm not sure if my warden was brought back they'd even be able to capture how complex her feelings were in regards to the wardens, and the regrets about the choices she's made. DA:I's Hawke pissed me off because my Hawke was a self-serving blood mage who found self-righteous mages and templars insufferable, and one of the first thing she says is 'ew, blood magic'.

 

I definitely feel like there's more room for the Inquisitor and hope we get to explore this well in DLC before the character is shelved. I want to see where the Inquisition goes - we didn't get much of a choice over that, whether it disbands or whether it continues, and what it becomes if it continues on (I wish there were more evil choices in this game tbh, my second playthrough is always a villain protagonist, I reckon that'll be hard this time).

 

I think this is also why decisions which affect primarily the duration of the game and its DLC can be important. In DA:O, for instance, the decision in Redcliffe over whether to kill Connor/kill Isolde/use the mages, are all choices which are affected by previous decisions you've made - it felt like the choices I'd made impacted my gameplay without having to involve any retconning. I wish your alliances in DA:I led to more decision points such as that in main quests or otherwise. I'd like to see the choices made by the quizzy affecting future DLC whilst we still have control of our character.



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My turn for art! ;)

 

Lavellan digs the hooded look on Solas. (Me too <3)

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Lovely artwork of Solas and Lavellan dancing.

 

Cute artwork with Cole, Solas, Dorian, Iron Bull, and chickens. xD

 

And lovely artwork of Solas holding Lavellan by deedylovescake. (NSFW for nudity.)


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Is this a typo on Fen'Harel  from the DA Wiki? I don't have my book on me, but apparently this was in The Masked Empire pg 319: 

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Andruil <3 's Fen'harel? 

 

 


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Is this a typo on Fen'Harel  from the DA Wiki? I don't have my book on me, but apparently this was in The Masked Empire pg 319: 

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Andruil <3 's Fen'harel? 

 

No, it's not a typo and yes, that was in The Masked Empire

 

And no, that doesn't necessarily mean that Andruil loves Fen'Harel.  :mellow: