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The Solas arc has been planned out since Origins.  Patrick Weekes has said multiple times Solas is crit-path first, romance second. He said this to  Solas-mancer.  The End. Yes. Things can change - like they may add some more significant scenes to address the romance and you may get some special cinematics because he's has a noisy fanbase.  However, I think you over-estimate his popularity.  His romance is not the most popular.  I think Cass and Cullen both beat him out.  He's just so restricted as a romance.  So to put an inordinate amount of resources to make a small part of the fanbase happy where it actually may weaken the overall story they want to tell...I don't see it.  Again, that's not to say he won't live, but I do believe what you get is what everyone will get.  He's too major.  Too important.  If he's alive, he's alive for everybody because that would mean he would reappear again in a big way.  If he's dead. He's dead for everybody and his death will be important and impactful not just to the Inquisitor but to the world.  

 

Love Interests don't deserve to live anymore than anyone else in a story.  All that means is that a certain section of the fanbase may be sadder.  If it makes story sense to kill one or it is more interesting then they should die. If it's for cheap sads, then I agree. They shouldn't.  Also, I could see any of the love interests dying.  Cassandra especially.  And I WOULD CRY but I could see it being beautiful.  

Solas will kill the inquisitor, or start a process that results in the death of the inquisitor. I'm calling it.  :devil:  


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I just..This is accurate.

The last panel made me laugh.

 

Accurate and tragic, yet at the same time, I regret nothing!

 

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The Solas arc has been planned out since Origins.  Patrick Weekes has said multiple times Solas is crit-path first, romance second. He said this to  Solas-mancer.  The End. Yes. Things can change - like they may add some more significant scenes to address the romance and you may get some special cinematics because he's has a noisy fanbase.  However, I think you over-estimate his popularity.  His romance is not the most popular.  I think Cass and Cullen both beat him out.  He's just so restricted as a romance.  So to put an inordinate amount of resources to make a small part of the fanbase happy where it actually may weaken the overall story they want to tell...I don't see it.  Again, that's not to say he won't live, but I do believe what you get is what everyone will get.  He's too major.  Too important.  If he's alive, he's alive for everybody because that would mean he would reappear again in a big way.  If he's dead. He's dead for everybody and his death will be important and impactful not just to the Inquisitor but to the world.  

 

Love Interests don't deserve to live anymore than anyone else in a story.  All that means is that a certain section of the fanbase may be sadder.  If it makes story sense to kill one or it is more interesting then they should die. If it's for cheap sads, then I agree. They shouldn't.  Also, I could see any of the love interests dying.  Cassandra especially.  And I WOULD CRY but I could see it being beautiful.  

 

This is the point I was trying to get at earlier and why I guess I'm not on team optimism. They've said that they have Solas' story arc planned out and nothing so far suggests that it won't be sad. They won't change it for his romancers. Even Weekes admitted that they added in his romance mostly to increase the tragedy of the character. That doesn't mean they won't add in some scenes to satisfy romancers, but if Solas was going to do a bad thing or die, he's still going to do the bad thing or die. Especially since he's clearly story critical, I don't imagine them changing much of anything within the basics. Particularly not for a not-too-popular romance, which is likely what Solas is outside of us fans that like to talk about Dragon Age on the internet.

 

But I trust them to at least make his story interesting and worthy of his character no matter what! Patrick Weekes will see to it, especially now that he's the lead writer.


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I have to say that I have romanced Solas with one of my Inquisitors and loved the relationship.  I befriended him with my other Inquisitor and loved that relationship too.  He's an incredibly important character IMO, and one whose true identity I have been fascinated by for years.  I'm beyond thrilled to see him and I hope that both friends and lovers get some kind of satisfying closure. 

 

I kind of feel that, in a way, he belongs to all elves--whether they romanced him, befriended him, or not--not to mention the other iterations of Inquisitors who got to know him, and I'm sure the devs will give a denouement that will satisfy all the permutations we may have had with Solas.  Flawed or not, successful or not, the more I think of it the more I see his goal of restoring the People (no matter what...) as an act of love.  Brutal, but love.  I can't wait to see what the future holds.  I hope he, as well as the rest of Thedas, can be happy with the result.


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I kind of feel that, in a way, he belongs to all elves--whether they romanced him, befriended him, or not--not to mention the other iterations of Inquisitors who got to know him, and I'm sure the devs will give a denouement that will satisfy all the permutations we may have had with Solas.  

 

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Be cautious...those are dangerous words...


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Solas will kill the inquisitor, or start a process that results in the death of the inquisitor. I'm calling it.  :devil:  

 

I called the Inquisitor's death first....

 

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The Solas arc has been planned out since Origins.  Patrick Weekes has said multiple times Solas is crit-path first, romance second. He said this to  Solas-mancer.  The End. Yes. Things can change - like they may add some more significant scenes to address the romance and you may get some special cinematics because he's has a noisy fanbase.  However, I think you over-estimate his popularity.  His romance is not the most popular.  I think Cass and Cullen both beat him out.  He's just so restricted as a romance.  So to put an inordinate amount of resources to make a small part of the fanbase happy where it actually may weaken the overall story they want to tell...I don't see it.  Again, that's not to say he won't live, but I do believe what you get is what everyone will get.  He's too major.  Too important.  If he's alive, he's alive for everybody because that would mean he would reappear again in a big way.  If he's dead. He's dead for everybody and his death will be important and impactful not just to the Inquisitor but to the world.  

 

Love Interests don't deserve to live anymore than anyone else in a story.  All that means is that a certain section of the fanbase may be sadder.  If it makes story sense to kill one or it is more interesting then they should die. If it's for cheap sads, then I agree. They shouldn't.  Also, I could see any of the love interests dying.  Cassandra especially.  And I WOULD CRY but I could see it being beautiful.  

Just because his path has been established does not, by any means, imply he is doomed. One can say Alistair's path was also pre-established. Or Anders'. Heck, one could consider Anders a retcon, since he kind of did have the option of a death path originally (in Origins). But there were still choices we could make for a happier outcome, both in DA:O and in DA:2. And it just wouldn't be in the spirit of Dragon Age if they didn't give us that: the ability to influence the finer details of an outcome, even if the outcome (in essence) has the same broader consequences on the realm as any other path. So nope, I'm not buying that!

And on a side note: my theory as to one reason why LI's do deserve the option to live more than any one else in the story? Because they get to interact with us. Even more than friendlies. Yes, Solas leaving wasn't something we could interfere with. But I don't believe something as major as a death would happen without the protagonist having some sway over it.

 

 

A happy ending would be great...but not at the cost of screwing up the greater series narrative, a plotline that has been planned since Origins. Bioware has been careful to make the choices impactful, but not plot-breaking in order to not create continuity errors.

Definitely not :D

I'm confident we will have a great tale told to us. But like I mentioned above, it isn't assuredly damned to end in tears.

 

Can I join you in the Team Optimism flag waving?

 

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I try to be optimistic but all the negativity on Solas' fate (on here and on Tumblr) keeps pulling me back to the sads. :( Heck that Dragon Age confession of not wanting Solasmancers to have a happy ending (damn you, confessor!) got me sooooo mad I just can't even... Grrr...  :angry:

 

But yeah, we don't know for sure his endgame is just tragedy and tears, even though people seem to think that is what's going to happen. So I'll join you in refusing to believe that all we'll get is sadness until we see it on-screen with our own eyes.

 

Because I am stubborn as hell. 

I am stubborn with you!!! I don't even think we're being stubborn, to be honest. Without firm evidence, which we won't get until it's release, there is no basis to be negative over. And if anyone doesn't see room for a positive outcome, they're just plain pessimistic -- or hold a lot of love for tragedy! Don't get me wrong, a good tragedy is fantastic and cathartic. But I foretell that there will be more than one way to crack this egg (pun intended).

-waves gigantic, billowing flag of optimism-

 

 That doesn't mean they won't add in some scenes to satisfy romancers, but if Solas was going to do a bad thing or die, he's still going to do the bad thing or die. Especially since he's clearly story critical, I don't imagine them changing much of anything within the basics. Particularly not for a not-too-popular romance, which is likely what Solas is outside of us fans that like to talk about Dragon Age on the internet.

 

But I trust them to at least make his story interesting and worthy of his character no matter what! Patrick Weekes will see to it, especially now that he's the lead writer.

I don't think the plot will lead to Solas' death at all, to be honest. But if it does go down that path, I still maintain that it will have branches of severity -- and not necessarily result in his death. And that, in turn, could lead to a romance friendly ending.

And to the last bit, I agree 100%! Whatever happens, I feel the writing team will deliver us a great story.
 


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Honestly at this point I just want some concrete news on a DLC.  Not vague "we're not done with story dlc with DAI just yet".  I want ... want want want *throws temper tantrum* ... something like "Hey guys, this is the name of the next DLC and it will be releasing on X date!"  (where X = really soon).    :P


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Honestly at this point I just want some concrete news on a DLC.  Not vague "we're not done with story dlc with DAI just yet".  I want ... want want want *throws temper tantrum* ... something like "Hey guys, this is the name of the next DLC and it will be releasing on X date!"  (where X = really soon).     :P

Yes! This would quell us rabble rousers! Or at least, for a time xD


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And on a side note: my theory as to one reason why LI's do deserve the option to live more than any one else in the story? Because they get to interact with us. Even more than friendlies. Yes, Solas leaving wasn't something we could interfere with. But I don't believe something as major as a death would happen without the protagonist having some sway over it.

 

But all the companions connect with the player.  And some characters have a lot more player interaction than Solas even if they aren't romanced (Cass comes to mind).

 

I'm honestly not trying to be argumentative.  I just don't see why love interests should fall into a special category that renders them immune to certain story arcs.  Or maybe it's just because of the people I've romanced in the past; Bishop from NWN 2, for example.  He betrays you no matter what you do, and honestly, if they'd added the option for the player to talk him out of it due to the romance, I would have felt a little cheated.  His emotional damage is established early on as part of who he is.

 

I would totally get it if the love interest was the only point of emotional connection for the player.  Then you obviously don't want to kill them off, because in doing so you've severed the player's only real link to the game world.  But BioWare does large ensemble casts where many characters have the potential to form that connection.  I wasn't just pissed at the original ending of ME3 because my Shepard was cut off from Garrus; I was pissed because it wrecked the galaxy for my friends and crew, my family.


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Just because his path has been established does not, by any means, imply he is doomed. One can say Alistair's path was also pre-established. Or Anders'. Heck, one could consider Anders a retcon, since he kind of did have the death path originally (in Origins). But there were still choices we could make for a happier outcome. And it just wouldn't be in the spirit of Dragon Age if they didn't give us that: the ability to influence the finer details of an outcome, even if the outcome (in essence) has the same broader consequences on the realm as any other path. So nope, I'm not buying that!

And on a side note: my theory as to one reason why LI's do deserve the option to live more than any one else in the story? Because they get to interact with us. Even more than friendlies. Yes, Solas leaving wasn't something we could interfere with. But I don't believe something as major as a death would happen without the protagonist having some sway over it.

 

Definitely not :D

I'm confident we will have a great tale told to us. But like I mentioned above, it isn't assuredly damned to end in tears.

...um none of us are claiming to be clairvoyant? We're just saying that Solasmancers aren't likely to get a unique happy ending just for us where Solas and Lavellan ride off into the sunset IF the devs have a predetermined part for Solas to play. 



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Shame that to lay him, that chicken has to be female.

 

I was so ready to make a joke about Solas and his massive...

 

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...um none of us are claiming to be clairvoyant? We're just saying that Solasmancers aren't likely to get a unique happy ending just for us where Solas and Lavellan ride off into the sunset IF the devs have a predetermined part for Solas to play. 

Don't take it the wrong way, I wasn't accusing you of being/not being a clairvoyant. I just meant it wouldn't necessarily risk screwing up the greater narrative -- there are many ways it may unfold, after all!

 

But all the companions connect with the player.  And some characters have a lot more player interaction than Solas even if they aren't romanced (Cass comes to mind).

 

I'm honestly not trying to be argumentative.  I just don't see why love interests should fall into a special category that renders them immune to certain story arcs.  Or maybe it's just because of the people I've romanced in the past; Bishop from NWN 2, for example.  He betrays you no matter what you do, and honestly, if they'd added the option for the player to talk him out of it due to the romance, I would have felt a little cheated.  His emotional damage is established early on as part of who he is.

 

I would totally get it if the love interest was the only point of emotional connection for the player.  Then you obviously don't want to kill them off, because in doing so you've severed the player's only real link to the game world.  But BioWare does large ensemble casts where many characters have the potential to form that connection.  I wasn't just pissed at the original ending of ME3 because my Shepard was cut off from Garrus; I was pissed because it wrecked the galaxy for my friends and crew, my family.

Yes! But as a love interest, there's additional ways to connect. Additional dialogue not given to non-romanced protagonists. That's what I mean. So it gives you more of a chance to influence them.

I think we all remember (well, if anyone is old enough...) the Aerith/Final Fantasy 7 tragedy. And I didn't play it, but as you say, NWN 2 had its sadness as well. But I guess I just have a lot of confidence in Bioware's world state variety. :)



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Yes! But as a love interest, there's additional ways to connect. Additional dialogue not given to non-romanced protagonists. That's what I mean. So it gives you more of a chance to influence them.

I think we all remember (well, if anyone is old enough...) the Aerith/Final Fantasy 7 tragedy. And I didn't play it, but as you say, NWN 2 had its sadness as well. But I guess I just have a lot of confidence in Bioware's world state variety. :)

 

OK.  I can see that.  I guess my opinion is that additional ways of connecting with the character unlock additional stories the developers could tell, and they shouldn't shy away from some of those stories just because they involve tragedy or death.  I dunno, though.  It's terribly subjective.  One person's completely justified and well-done tragedy is another person's WTF.  Just look at the reactions to the Red Wedding when it aired  :rolleyes:


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OK.  I can see that.  I guess my opinion is that additional ways of connecting with the character unlock additional stories the developers could tell, and they shouldn't shy away from some of those stories just because they involve tragedy or death.  I dunno, though.  It's terribly subjective.  One person's completely justified and well-done tragedy is another person's WTF.  Just look at the reactions to the Red Wedding when it aired  :rolleyes:

Yeah! Honestly, I'm not against people getting a beautifully tragic ending. Not at all. I just also light a candle for the possibility of a romanced or even 'very friendly' Inquisitor being able to sway that. :P



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Yeah! Honestly, I'm not against people getting a beautifully tragic ending. Not at all. I just also light a candle for the possibility of a romanced or even 'very friendly' Inquisitor being able to sway that. :P

 

For me it would depend on how quizzy could sway Solas, and what restrictions were placed on that choice.  I'm just wary of player choice compromising the integrity of the character.

 

Back to Mordin as an example.  You need to fulfill a very specific condition to sway him over the genophage cure and keep him alive, which makes perfect sense for his character and motivations.  If, for example, you could talk him out of sacrificing himself no matter what, I would consider that a choice that cheapens his character.  Choice in and of itself doesn't make for a better story, and sometimes the constraints on the player make for IMO a more interesting experience.


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For me it would depend on how quizzy could sway Solas, and what restrictions were placed on that choice.  I'm just wary of player choice compromising the integrity of the character.

 

Back to Mordin as an example.  You need to fulfill a very specific condition to sway him over the genophage cure and keep him alive, which makes perfect sense for his character and motivations.  If, for example, you could talk him out of sacrificing himself no matter what, I would consider that a choice that cheapens his character.  Choice in and of itself doesn't make for a better story, and sometimes the constraints on the player make for IMO a more interesting experience.

Oh, totally. If there were an outcome that enabled sway, and it required some extra work or to walk a certain path, I think that'd be more than justifiable. I might not approve if it were any other way!



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Oh, totally. If there were an outcome that enabled sway, and it required some extra work or to walk a certain path, I think that'd be more than justifiable. I might not approve if it were any other way!

 

I guess I'm just a touch wary after ME3, which suffered from both weird character trouble due to lack of choice (Thane, Jacob) and weird trouble due to choice that made no sense (Shep getting his/her mack on with Aria T'Loak because...asari?)  

 

Edit for TOP: I'm lazy about searching for new art.  So have an Aimo:

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Art break. =__=

 

 

Pretty Solavellan by needapotion.

 

"No real god need prove himself..."

 

Wolf in sheep's clothing.

 

Another Happy Egg Day art.

 

Solas sketch

 

Beautiful artwork of Cass, Cole, and Solas by MTC!

 

Youthful arrogance. (Young Thom Rainier and Young Solas)

 

Modern AU of DA:I cast.

 

[...]  ;)


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Be cautious...those are dangerous words...

Oh dear!  I'm sorry...I was feeling sentimental and I know he has pretty strong opinions about "all" elves...  :blush:  :)


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Just read some of the quotes from the recent Patrick Weekes interview. Waiting to read more but:

 

"The story of Solas is NOT a happy one"

 

:C



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Every time deedy's cute porn comes up on my dash no matter how crap I've been feeling, I suddenly feel better. :3

 

Also, since I'm passing through, I wrote a couple of Solavellan things, in case anyone is interested (both are from k!meme prompts with a generic Lavellan) -

Shifting Proximities - http://archiveofouro...g/works/4072417 - Fade dates, Solas angst and weird sex

And Then I'm At Ease - http://archiveofouro...g/works/3958336 - Lavellan's hurt, Solas attempts to comfort, is terrible at it


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Hallelujah, there is more Solavellan cute porn. ^_^



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Just read some of the quotes from the recent Patrick Weekes interview. Waiting to read more but:

 

"The story of Solas is NOT a happy one"

 

:C

 

I would give you my old tiny Team Optimism flag, but Illyria stole it  :D

 

It certainly hasn't been a happy story so far.  But it's been a very good one, and I have confidence that it will continue to grow in Weekes' capable hands.  Even if we're all in tears by the end.  But that also doesn't mean that the whole story has to be unrelenting tragedy.  There can be bright spots and moments of hope that keep a character going despite all the pain, and the friendship/romance with the Inquisitor can be one of those bright spots for Solas.


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