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[freelovefreeway]

Crit-path first doesn't mean everything always ends terribly. Appeasing his fans by changing his character and changing his goals and changing his outcome just to make a happy ending exist would be bad writing and bad for his character, yes. But we have no idea what crit-path is. It could have always not ended in despair. The consistent, always-there-since-Origins plan could have always not been depressing. I don't understand why Solas dying is the clear, accepted outcome and anything else is a naive deviation that can only be explained as pandering away from the obvious "true course." We (fans) are all just making this stuff up as we go.

 

As far as romance specific "choices," I think it all comes down to (highly meaningful) flavor text. You can kill Anders or you can send him on his depressing way. The option isn't only there if you romance him--it just means you can run away with him. If Solas has a way not to avoid being killed (going with the assumption that that's even an issue), it wouldn't be there just for people that romanced him--it would probably just mean more for someone who romanced him and would hopefully involve them in some way. I don't think we've ever actually gotten a new choice just for romancing someone--it's just that the same choices are more nuanced and deeper so they feel like a special choice of their own. 

 

(Also, I don't think anyone would describe Anders as having a "happy story," but I consider him running off with Hawke to be happy enough with everything that happened. So...still not feeling threatened by the tweet.)

[ChuChu]

(Also, I don't think anyone would describe Anders as having a "happy story," but I consider him running off with Hawke to be happy enough with everything that happened. So...still not feeling threatened by the tweet.)

Yeah! A "happy enough" would be fine by me. And also why I am not feeling threatened by aforementioned tweet. ;P

-puffs up chest like a silly little bird-

[wildannie]

Yeah,  I've got a pretty loose definition of 'happy' when it comes to my endings,  I certainly don't expect retirement to domestic bliss for them  .  I'll be happy if there is a choice where they are together - Lavellan joins him and they both disappear  or they both go to utheneara, or at the very worst, Lavellan joins him and they both die in a blaze of glory.   I just want the choice to support him or oppose him really.  All my Lavellan's are staunchly pro-elf and I want them to be able to express that.   I'm trusting that what Solas has planned is not so moustache twirlingly evil that no character could ever stand by him - that would be ooc imo.  

[Nehn]

I'm definitely on Team Optimism's side for this tweet discussion even after reading more comments about it. 

Here guys! Take a chibi baby Solas that's sure to spread happiness and rainbows!

source: http://hannah-mation...-DA-I-501507148

 

I also have an off-topic (DA: Origins) question then rant I'm going to hide here since I just finished DA:Origins again.

I feel super dumb after reading my rant, but I might as well see if anyone else can relate. 

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Is 45 hours to complete DA: Origins normal? I feel like I played through it too fast. I didn't skip a single dialog option and listened to everything any character had to say. I did every quest besides maybe a handful of useless Mage Collective/Chantry/Blackstone Irreg. quests.

 

I also have but one gripe about the game pertaining to Alistair and Morrigan. 

 

So I wanted to have Alistair duel and behead Loghain because well he had the biggest issue with him and me (my Warden) barely had much of a chance to connect with what Loghain ruined. So then when Loghain is killed and Arl Eamon says Alistair is now King freaking Alistair is like "Yeah, all right! Whatever you say Uncle!" giving me (my Warden) no say in the matter. I wanted Alistair to stay with the Wardens because he's a miserable unhappy King and not the greatest diplomat and my Warden being a Dalish elf could care less about bloodlines and kingdoms. Anyway, before I decided to reload and (sigh) duel and kill Loghain myself, I allowed the game to play on a bit and Alistair is there ready to dump my Warden in front of everybody. The whole break up just left me feeling angry. I know I had high enough persuasion to become his mistress, but I highly doubt a proud cocky Dalish elf would allow herself to become some human King's backup woman.

It's great to know Alistair would jump at the chance to be King and throw my Warden under the bus without even discussing it with her. 

Just witnessing what could have happened sadly makes me love Alistair less. I guess that's what I get for hardening him. 

 

My second problem I have is with Morrigan and the Dark Ritual. I think I got waaaay too deep in role playing my Warden (She's 16 or 17 brash and overconfident, but also witty. She came to learn not all humans should be scorned.) When it came time to the ritual, for the first time (my 2nd or 3rd complete playthrough) I found myself acutally compelled to telling Morrigan not to do the ritual. I don't think I've ever played a character I created where I completely disagree with a major game decision such as that one. Since it's been years since I last played, I was surprised to find you have to literally beg Alistair to participate (Though my Warden didn't hide any detail of the ritual from him...) After it was all said and done my Warden loathed Morrigan, which I still honestly don't understand why. 

 

That's way too many feels for one game. Is that what I get for role playing a person completely different from me? I'm compelled to write a fan fiction with all this drama.

If I wanted a real happy ending I should have just made a Cousland. 

 

[CapricornSun]

I'm definitely on Team Optimism's side for this tweet discussion even after reading more comments about it. 

Here guys! Take a chibi baby Solas that's sure to spread happiness and rainbows!

source: http://hannah-mation...-DA-I-501507148

 

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Omigosh! That artwork is so adorable! 

 

BTW I've been issued another warning for linking Dee's cute porn. 

Looks like you guys are going to have to find the naughty stuff on your own I guess.   

[MayriyaNoori]

This is totally off teh twitter topic but I had a question to throw out there.

 

So, I know there were some developer notes out there somewhere that said Solas had been sleeping for the past 1000 years or something like that. Is there any reference at all to what he was doing before that time?

 

I know there are the theories out there that he had something to do with the whole Andraste business...but doesn't that still leave like 800-1000 years between the fall of Arlathan and Andraste's time?

 

And then I was also looking at the timeline on the Dragon Age wikipedia.....but it dawned on my just how old Solas has the potential to be. Like....if he was there for the founding of Arlathan....or soon after....Solas would be somewhere around 8000 years old.   Are there any clues anywhere to whether or not he was an old or young elf in Arlathan?

 

Sorry for basically nothing but questions.

[Abelas Forever!]

True.  But let's say it had been Garrus or Liara in an analogous situation, where you have to pick between the "optimal" outcome (at least in terms of warscore) and your LI's life.  IMO people's decisions and reactions would have been very different.

 

I get the player perspective of feeling like it's unfair if your chosen love interest has an extra-large dose of tragedy, especially if you only do one playthrough.  But from the developers' perspective, I don't see how it can be avoided.  Alistair and Morrigan are more plot-relevant.  And since the main plots are full of angst potential, there are more ways their romances can end unhappily.  Same goes for Anders, Isabela, Cassandra, and Solas.  The only way to get around it would be to limit romances to characters that were relatively safe and unconnected to the overarching plot (Cullen, Fenris, Zev, etc.)  And even that could change; Leliana, for example, became much more integral to the main plot in DA:I, years after her romance was written.

It's true that people's decision and reactions would have been different if Liara or Garrus would have been in a similar situation like Mordin was but people would still have choices what to do in that situation. It might have required them to play the trilogy from the beginning but the choice to save their LI would have been there. You didn't have any choices with Jacob and Thane. What comes to Jacob I don't see any reason why his story had to be like that. On the other hand it was nice to see that he could start a family in the middle of the crisis but the downside of it was that he treated FemShep very badly which alone outweighed the benefits of that story. The whole situation was also handled very badly because FemShep couldn't express her anger properly. What comes to Thane his story was touching but so was the quarian/geth conflict and in that conflict you had multiple ways to solve it and that made it better.

I'm fine with tragedy in romances if there is a way to have a happy ending to a romance. I didn't like DR and I still don't like it but I was happy that it existed because it enabled the happier ending to Alistair romance. I guess the DR feels less painful now that I have seen how in love Alistair is in DAI and I see that why that decision was there because otherwise Alistair romance might have been too sweet. I guess I still don't know what to think about the DR because I hate that Alistair has to do it but on the other hand I see that it makes the romance better because warden and Alistair have to pay a price for being together.

There is a possibility to achieve a happy ending to all of the romances in DA except in Solas romance because we don't know what happens. ME romances where you couldn't have a happy ending were Jacob and Thane. The situation with Jacob was very bad and his actions didn't make the whole story better. I think if there would have been a choice to save Thane then it would have made the story even more interesting. Would you have chosen your LI instead of gaining something else? That would have been very interesting.

You have choices what to do with Loghain. You can either save him or kill him. If you recruit him then Alistair leaves. In this case the choices and the consequences of your choices made this decision very interesting and without them the story would have been less interesting. If there isn't any way to reunite/die together with Solas then in my opinion there are risks that the story would become less interesting. I don't see why there couldn't be choices what comes to him and the resolution of his romance. Even if the choices wouldn't be easy I think they should be there because it gives more outcomes of that romance and the player has to think very hard what to do in that situation and I think that is something to go for instead of just giving a solution to the player.

[ChuChu]

-waves team optimism flag-

As Solas says: Nothing is inevitable! Though won't it be fun to see how close we got to theorizing correctly? :>

[CapricornSun]

-waves team optimism flag-

As Solas says: Nothing is inevitable! Though won't it be fun to see how close we got to theorizing correctly? :>

 

This is gorgeous...

[ChuChu]

This is gorgeous...

(is his nose ok? I was struggling with his nose. He has so many KINDS OF NOSES. Concept art nose? In-game nose? Aquiline cartoony nose? When I comic him I go for something in between)

... this time I went for in-game kind of nose?

[CapricornSun]

(is his nose ok? I was struggling with his nose. He has so many KINDS OF NOSES. Concept art nose? In-game nose? Aquiline cartoony nose? When I comic him I go for something in between)

... this time I went for in-game kind of nose?

 

His nose looks fine. I quite like his in-game nose tbh and you captured the shape well, hehe. 

[ChuChu]

His nose looks fine. I quite like his in-game nose tbh and you captured the shape well, hehe. 

Thank you

His in-game nose is kind of cute in that scrunchy sort of way!

[RoraM]

(is his nose ok? I was struggling with his nose. He has so many KINDS OF NOSES. Concept art nose? In-game nose? Aquiline cartoony nose? When I comic him I go for something in between)

... this time I went for in-game kind of nose?

 

I adore how you drew his nose.  My problem is that every time I try to draw Solas, he turns out looking like a different elf each time (not my intention).  Sigh.

[Illyria]

Just read some of the quotes from the recent Patrick Weekes interview. Waiting to read more but:

 

"The story of Solas is NOT a happy one"

 

:C

 

 

I would give you my old tiny Team Optimism flag, but Illyria stole it 

 

It certainly hasn't been a happy story so far.  But it's been a very good one, and I have confidence that it will continue to grow in Weekes' capable hands.  Even if we're all in tears by the end.  But that also doesn't mean that the whole story has to be unrelenting tragedy.  There can be bright spots and moments of hope that keep a character going despite all the pain, and the friendship/romance with the Inquisitor can be one of those bright spots for Solas.

 

I'm only stealing the tiny ones to replace them with huge ones.

 

TEAM OPTIMISIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIM.

 

*flies away*

[Thavie]

Just finished the hardest one, Solas with my Lavellan, slighty nudity

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A Stutter (feat. Arnor Dan) - Ólafur Arnalds fits it perfectly. And no, I'm not crying, no. 

[Niamaduir]

Just finished the hardest one, Solas with my Lavellan, slighty nudity

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A Stutter (feat. Arnor Dan) - Ólafur Arnalds fits it perfectly. And no, I'm not crying, no. 

 

Gorgeous. I love the look he is giving the viewer or possibly himself...

[Niamaduir]

-waves team optimism flag-

As Solas says: Nothing is inevitable! Though won't it be fun to see how close we got to theorizing correctly? :>

 

Your work is the reason I am now officially on Tumblr, because I cannot just look at it, I have to hit the heart button. Fan works for Dragon Age are rapidly becoming the reason I am on site like Archive of Our Own, Deviant Art, etc

[Sable Rhapsody]

It's true that people's decision and reactions would have been different if Liara or Garrus would have been in a similar situation like Mordin was but people would still have choices what to do in that situation. It might have required them to play the trilogy from the beginning but the choice to save their LI would have been there. You didn't have any choices with Jacob and Thane. What comes to Jacob I don't see any reason why his story had to be like that. On the other hand it was nice to see that he could start a family in the middle of the crisis but the downside of it was that he treated FemShep very badly which alone outweighed the benefits of that story. The whole situation was also handled very badly because FemShep couldn't express her anger properly. What comes to Thane his story was touching but so was the quarian/geth conflict and in that conflict you had multiple ways to solve it and that made it better.

I'm fine with tragedy in romances if there is a way to have a happy ending to a romance. I didn't like DR and I still don't like it but I was happy that it existed because it enabled the happier ending to Alistair romance. I guess the DR feels less painful now that I have seen how in love Alistair is in DAI and I see that why that decision was there because otherwise Alistair romance might have been too sweet. I guess I still don't know what to think about the DR because I hate that Alistair has to do it but on the other hand I see that it makes the romance better because warden and Alistair have to pay a price for being together.

 

Slightly off-topic, but IMO the problems with Jacob and Thane had less to do with choice and more to do with the neutering of their characters and FemShep in their interactions.  

 

I'm certainly not saying that I don't want choice in the Solas romance, or in romances in general.  I just don't think that choice inherently makes a character arc better; it has to serve the character and the situation.  And I did really like the Dark Ritual.  It was basically the game asking, "What will you pay to be happy?"  And I thought that made for a really interesting RP experience.  Same thing with Anders; running away with him meant (to me at least) tacitly condoning what he'd done.

 

Ah, well.  I think my "brace for the worst" tendency is starting to overtake my Team Optimism side.  We can't have that!  *waves new, huge Team Optimism flag*

[RynJ]

Crit-path first doesn't mean everything always ends terribly. Appeasing his fans by changing his character and changing his goals and changing his outcome just to make a happy ending exist would be bad writing and bad for his character, yes. But we have no idea what crit-path is. It could have always not ended in despair. The consistent, always-there-since-Origins plan could have always not been depressing. I don't understand why Solas dying is the clear, accepted outcome and anything else is a naive deviation that can only be explained as pandering away from the obvious "true course." We (fans) are all just making this stuff up as we go.

 

As far as romance specific "choices," I think it all comes down to (highly meaningful) flavor text. You can kill Anders or you can send him on his depressing way. The option isn't only there if you romance him--it just means you can run away with him. If Solas has a way not to avoid being killed (going with the assumption that that's even an issue), it wouldn't be there just for people that romanced him--it would probably just mean more for someone who romanced him and would hopefully involve them in some way. I don't think we've ever actually gotten a new choice just for romancing someone--it's just that the same choices are more nuanced and deeper so they feel like a special choice of their own. 

 

(Also, I don't think anyone would describe Anders as having a "happy story," but I consider him running off with Hawke to be happy enough with everything that happened. So...still not feeling threatened by the tweet.)

 

I don't think many people absolutely insist that everything will turn out badly in the end because he's crit path. It's more that I and some others feel like it's been strongly hinted that Solas' story will go a sad direction for a reason that is canon critical. Which is why the lack of happy end optimism. Even an Anders type ending is more bittersweet, bitter side stronger, than anything to me. And that if it's important to the plot for Solas to have a sad ending, they won't change it just for his fans. I can only hope if that's the case, they'd add in some sort of choice even if it's bittersweet!

 

It's more a matter of perspective than some insisting it will end badly and acting like it's the only clear and true option. But as long as I think it'll be satisfying in some way, I'm not too worried about it. I accept the strong possibility! So wave those optimism flags high because really I don't know anything for sure. I just choose to be wary and prepared for the not so good. 

[Lunapur]

Guys i don't know if you've seen this but have u seen this ?  I've been a lil' busy and missed it:( but hey omg

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[Janic99]

The Solas arc has been planned out since Origins.  Patrick Weekes has said multiple times Solas is crit-path first, romance second. He said this to  Solas-mancer.  The End. Yes. Things can change - like they may add some more significant scenes to address the romance and you may get some special cinematics because he's has a noisy fanbase.  However, I think you over-estimate his popularity.  His romance is not the most popular.  I think Cass and Cullen both beat him out.  He's just so restricted as a romance.  So to put an inordinate amount of resources to make a small part of the fanbase happy where it actually may weaken the overall story they want to tell...I don't see it.  Again, that's not to say he won't live, but I do believe what you get is what everyone will get.  He's too major.  Too important.  If he's alive, he's alive for everybody because that would mean he would reappear again in a big way.  If he's dead. He's dead for everybody and his death will be important and impactful not just to the Inquisitor but to the world.  

 

Love Interests don't deserve to live anymore than anyone else in a story.  All that means is that a certain section of the fanbase may be sadder.  If it makes story sense to kill one or it is more interesting then they should die. If it's for cheap sads, then I agree. They shouldn't.  Also, I could see any of the love interests dying.  Cassandra especially.  And I WOULD CRY but I could see it being beautiful.  

I honestly don't care even is LI dies if there is a good reason for it and it's well made. but for example how thane died so early on the game ME3 was so ridiculous and it made me so pissed off.. first of all.. he was ill = no one helps him against kai leng. second = he rans towards the sword.. WITH A GUN WTF!? 

 

and then he just gets stabbed and later on dies... you don't get almost any scene. Also before Citadel dlc came.. no one even didn't care that he died. shep was like devastated after Mordin but her love dies and she is like: well that happened

 

that pissed me off so I hope that IF Solas dies or sth or Inq or stuff.. they will do it better than on ME3

[Sable Rhapsody]

that pissed me off so I hope that IF Solas dies or sth or Inq or stuff.. they will do it better than on ME3

 

I have a reasonable amount of confidence that we won't end up in an ME3 scenario with Solas's story arc.  First, he's too plot-critical of a character to just write off the way Thane and Jacob were written off.  Second, Patrick Weekes has a pretty damn good track record with his characters and stories, respecting player choice AND holding true to the character.  And third, I'd like to think that the developers listened to the feedback about ME3, even the more critical feedback.

[BoscoBread]

I honestly don't care even is LI dies if there is a good reason for it and it's well made. but for example how thane died so early on the game ME3 was so ridiculous and it made me so pissed off.. first of all.. he was ill = no one helps him against kai leng. second = he rans towards the sword.. WITH A GUN WTF!? 

 

and then he just gets stabbed and later on dies... you don't get almost any scene. Also before Citadel dlc came.. no one even didn't care that he died. shep was like devastated after Mordin but her love dies and she is like: well that happened

 

that pissed me off so I hope that IF Solas dies or sth or Inq or stuff.. they will do it better than on ME3

I don't think you'll have a repeat of Thane. Solas' story has been in the works for 6 years.  As it plays out, we will likely see how much of the Dragon Age story centered around him or at least was influenced by his actions.  He is way to crucial to write off in such a stupid way.  This is not even in regards to the love interest - it would just suck more for people that romanced hiim. 

 

Weekes loves his character so I think would like to give him an ending and/or exit fitting of someone so important.  The romance - due to fervor - will likely get a really nice few scenes as well that underscore that he was able to make a close personal relationship as well. 

 

Honestly, Solas' writing is the least of my worries.  It'll likely be written well. 

[Sable Rhapsody]

Honestly, Solas' writing is the least of my worries.  It'll likely be written well. 

 

Now we just have to hope for a glorious story for the Architect.  I mean, he's the Architect of Beauty.  He deserves beautiful, beautiful writing 

[Cee]

Since the date is drawing near for the Blackwall and Cole prints to be shipped, I'm awaiting the next round of limited prints in the BioWare store and wonder if we'll finally get a Solas.

 

And if it's his promo art, I will be disappointed. But that's likely, since they keep using the promo art.

 

But this

 

no.

His promo made him look kind of....creepy? I don't know, but then you get in game and see

 

 

If they ever make a print of his romance card art I will scream and open my wallet immediately.