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[Abelas Forever!]

Slightly off-topic, but IMO the problems with Jacob and Thane had less to do with choice and more to do with the neutering of their characters and FemShep in their interactions.  

 

I'm certainly not saying that I don't want choice in the Solas romance, or in romances in general.  I just don't think that choice inherently makes a character arc better; it has to serve the character and the situation.  And I did really like the Dark Ritual.  It was basically the game asking, "What will you pay to be happy?"  And I thought that made for a really interesting RP experience.  Same thing with Anders; running away with him meant (to me at least) tacitly condoning what he'd done.

 

Ah, well.  I think my "brace for the worst" tendency is starting to overtake my Team Optimism side.  We can't have that!  *waves new, huge Team Optimism flag*

Personally I don't have much problems with Thane and Jacob romances because I never romanced Jacob and when I romanced Thane I thought that I would have to do that despite the possibility that he will die in the next game and I don't like dying LIs when you can't do anything about it. However I would have been quite annoyed if I had romanced Jacob because how his story goes in ME3 and I don't see how somebody thought that it was a good idea to end the romance like that because I think that there could have been possibilities to continue the romance even if you wouldn't have seen Jacob anymore and I think that would have been a better option than the current one. Anyway I think Jacob and Thane suffered most from limited resources so I understand what happened to Thane even though I would have wanted to spend more time with him and support him more but I still think there could have been other ways to deal with the Jacob than the current resolution. Anyway if the devs would have more resources then the possibility to cure Thane would have been interesting story.

I agree that giving players choices doesn't necessarily make character arc better. I think one good example is Cullen and his Lyrium addiction. It doesn't really change anything whether he takes Lyrium again or not. Maybe we'll see the consequences of that choice in future DLCs. But with Alistair and Anders those choices make their stories more interesting and better. I think devs can offer players meaningful choices to almost any story if they want to do that and I think that Solas is important enough so they should really think ways to give players different ways to to deal with his situation.

Anyway I have chosen two theme song for my Lavellans if everything goes wrong because even though I refuse to give up hope until there is no hope I think that there are risks that his romance will end badly and you can't do anything about it.

[freelovefreeway]

 

I honestly don't care even is LI dies if there is a good reason for it and it's well made. but for example how thane died so early on the game ME3 was so ridiculous and it made me so pissed off.. first of all.. he was ill = no one helps him against kai leng. second = he rans towards the sword.. WITH A GUN WTF!? 

 

and then he just gets stabbed and later on dies... 

 

I think this was the key problem for me. Thane dies and Jacob leaves and there doesn't really seem like a reason for it. It doesn't add to the story overall or their individual stories. They leave/die and it's just...oh, okay. If there was a reason, it seems like it was less about story and more motivated from too ambitious a number of romances which then accidentally bled into some disrespectful territory about the characters. Jack and Miranda just got moved to the side as well, but at least you could make up happy stuff in your head about it (as much as you can with ME3). With the boys it was: Thane was dying anyway...let's just go with that. And "everyone" hates Jacob anyway.

 

If anything DID happen to Solas, I have no worries that it would feel like it happened at a natural and inevitable conclusion, was important, and would be very well done.

 

I don't think many people absolutely insist that everything will turn out badly in the end because he's crit path. It's more that I and some others feel like it's been strongly hinted that Solas' story will go a sad direction for a reason that is canon critical. 

 

That's all fine. I disagree with the hints, but that's the best thing to disagree about to go in peace!

[RoraM]

With Thane, one knew he was dying of Kepral's syndrome from the outset and time travel wasn't an option.  That romance didn't have a chance.  With the introduction of time manipulation magic into Dragon Age lore, the permanence of any decision is questionable.  Also, unlike in Corypheus' alternate future, Solas is not dying in the current timeline.  I find these things comforting.  (Yay, Team Optimism!)  

[RoraM]

On another note, just for fun, I took a look at the posts from 1 year ago.  At the time, there was much speculation over Sheryl Chee's designation of "Team Crushed Expectations", which included Sera, Cole and Solas.  Goddamn it, BioWare!

[Cee]

And a serious contender for most weirdly timed banter trigger is: http://sennalavellan...se-motherfucker

 

Trees. Yes. Trees. Look at all those pretty trees.

 

 

(Some people suspected this was banter tied to a romance but it isn't.)

[Abelas Forever!]

I think it's a good thing that DA games have different PCs because I think that the problems with Thane and Jacob were mostly caused by continuation of the romances throughout the trilogy. DAI doesn't have this problem which is a positive thing.

[Sable Rhapsody]

I think it's a good thing that DA games have different PCs because I think that the problems with Thane and Jacob were mostly caused by continuation of the romances throughout the trilogy. DAI doesn't have this problem which is a positive thing.

 
DA:I does have plenty of other problems involved with three games worth of continuity, though.  I really hope we leave southern Thedas for the next DA game.  It'll be a chance to start with a relatively clean slate that doesn't have to wrangle with every little decision dating all the way back to DA:O.

Some people suspected this was banter tied to a romance but it isn't.)

 
But I like to imagine that it is  Because then it's hilariously un-smooth for someone who's so very smooth during his initial romance.

[Cee]

 But I like to imagine that it is  Because then it's hilariously un-smooth for someone who's so very smooth during his initial romance.

 

Ha, well, I headcanon my Lavellan smelling woodsy due to a blend of oils she keeps wearing that reminds her of home, so that would kind of blend into trees. Could apply to her. 

 

 

As far as the continuous protagonist thing, yes ME had its issues with that as events of the games prevented most people from having an ongoing romance across all three games. Technically, the only way that's possible is by choosing Liara and counting DLC (which is what I did, but if we're talking the standalone games, then no). So there are issues with characterization and continuity from a romance perspective. But dropping the ball on Thane and Jacob wasn't because of those issues or having the same protagonist.

[Patchwork]

The big problem with Thane and and Jacob, at least for me, is that the game doesn't give you an opportunity to react. Thane dies and your best bud/LI Garrus says nothing even while standing in front of the memorial wall that now has Thane's name on it! In a game that can leave FemShep with no new male romantic options a ME2 LI unceremoniously dumps her and then later says he's having a child and the woman he cheated on FemShep with wants to name it after her! Does Miranda or Jack dump ManShep? Noooooooooooooooooo.

LI Garrus makes up for a lot but FemShep was seriously short changed in the LI department. 

 

There was always a high chance that Thane would die but he deserved better than what ME3 gave him. 

 

I'm curious about something, does the Inquisitor cause the breach explosion by picking up the foci? 

[MayriyaNoori]

 

I'm curious about something, does the Inquisitor cause the breach explosion by picking up the foci? 

@.@

 

Wait....do they?

 

Can you imagine the blame coming back down on the Inquisitor. I mean....in the epilogue didn't it say that there were people already wanting to bring the downfall of the Inquisitor.

 

Do I smell the next Great Betrayal?

 

@.@

[Patchwork]

@.@

 

Wait....do they?

 

Can you imagine the blame coming back down on the Inquisitor. I mean....in the epilogue didn't it say that there were people already wanting to bring the downfall of the Inquisitor.

 

Do I smell the next Great Betrayal?

 

@.@

 

In the cinematic it kinda looks like they do, the Inquisitor picks up the orb and everything goes white. 

 

But I just can't imagine BW making one of their protagonist responsible for all that death. Before they went Dark Side even Revan was fighting for a good cause. 

[dawnstone]

In the cinematic it kinda looks like they do, the Inquisitor picks up the orb and everything goes white. 

 

But I just can't imagine BW making one of their protagonist responsible for all that death. Before they went Dark Side even Revan was fighting for a good cause. 

If the PC is responsible, then both Corypheus and Solas are also responsible, Solas for giving the orb to Cory, and Cory for setting the ritual into motion. I suspect Cory wanted to make an example out of the Divine and have everyone else kneel to him as he went into the Fade through a smaller rift - not the explosive behemoth that resulted from the disruption - because for a guy like him what's the point of being a god if there's no one to worship you?

[Abelas Forever!]

I think that the problems with Thane and Jacob were mainly caused by the continuation of the romances and the need for new romances in ME3. Romances which are continuing from ME1 and ME2 were Kaidan, Liara, Ashley, Jack, Miranda, Garrus, Thane, Jacob and Tali so there are 9 romances that are continuing from previous games and 2 new romances which can start in ME3 which are Steve and Samantha and of course there is a possibility to start a romance with Kaidan, Ashley and Liara in ME3 as a new romance. Because there are so many romances and limited resources then I think that it leads to limited content with some of the romances and I think that Thane and Jacob suffered from that the most. DAI hasn't that problem because all the romances started in DAI. The devs also made Solas romanceable and I believe that there must be other reasons as well than just making his character more sad. Because devs had more resources and they decided to make Solas romanceable then I believe that they must also have some other plans for him and ideas how his story could go other than he becames a villain which you will have to kill no matter what for example. I want to believe that they made him LI so that they could tell a very good love story as well and that love story can have a happier ending if the player chooses it.

[Abelas Forever!]

I have been thinking could it have been Solas who made the mark permanent? I mean he study the mark so maybe he made something either by accident or on purpose that made the mark permanent.

[MayriyaNoori]

I have been thinking could it have been Solas who made the mark permanent? I mean he study the mark so maybe he made something either by accident or on purpose that made the mark permanent.

That's an interesting idea. Especially since Cory shows up and is under the impression he can take the Anchor from the Inquisitor. I would imagine he would have known whether or not the mark would be something permanent.

 

But then again Solas does say he was pretty much on his way out the door before the Inquisitor shows up and seals that first rift. But that could simply be because he thought the Inquisitor was never going to wake up/die.

[NightSymphony]

Art

 

The Winter Palace 1

http://refinition.de...ellan-537628894

 

The Winter Palace 2

http://refinition.de...earts-537626947

 

Another adorable comic by liliumsnow

http://liliumsnow.de...ality-537694178

[Abelas Forever!]

That's an interesting idea. Especially since Cory shows up and is under the impression he can take the Anchor from the Inquisitor. I would imagine he would have known whether or not the mark would be something permanent.

 

But then again Solas does say he was pretty much on his way out the door before the Inquisitor shows up and seals that first rift. But that could simply be because he thought the Inquisitor was never going to wake up/die.

I think Cory says something that inquisitor has messed things up  and the the mark is now permanent but it could have been Solas who accidentaly/on purpse caused that.

 

Maybe Solas didn't know for sure what the mark could do when it was on inquisitors hand and that's why he needed her to seal that rift to test his hypothesis.

[Wheels]

I have something funny... Do you people know the unnecessary censorship videos?

 

 

This is part 3, and is has some Solas

*Vanishes back to the shadows*

[NightSymphony]

Omigosh! That artwork is so adorable! 

 

BTW I've been issued another warning for linking Dee's cute porn. 

Looks like you guys are going to have to find the naughty stuff on your own I guess.   

This makes me a sad panda

 

Edit: Even Solas is sad

http://lucife56.devi...Solas-505698472

[ChuChu]

 I just don't think that choice inherently makes a character arc better; it has to serve the character and the situation.  And I did really like the Dark Ritual. 
 

Ah, well.  I think my "brace for the worst" tendency is starting to overtake my Team Optimism side.  We can't have that!  *waves new, huge Team Optimism flag*

I liked the DR for that, too. It kind of was like a "well, now, how far will you go for the one you love?".
 

 

*flies away*

NO. WHERE ARE YOU GOING?! IT'S GETTING DARK AND FULL OF TERRORS IN HERE!
 

 

I don't think many people absolutely insist that everything will turn out badly in the end because he's crit path. It's more that I and some others feel like it's been strongly hinted that Solas' story will go a sad direction for a reason that is canon critical. Which is why the lack of happy end optimism. Even an Anders type ending is more bittersweet, bitter side stronger, than anything to me. And that if it's important to the plot for Solas to have a sad ending, they won't change it just for his fans. I can only hope if that's the case, they'd add in some sort of choice even if it's bittersweet!

 

It's more a matter of perspective than some insisting it will end badly and acting like it's the only clear and true option. But as long as I think it'll be satisfying in some way, I'm not too worried about it. I accept the strong possibility! So wave those optimism flags high because really I don't know anything for sure. I just choose to be wary and prepared for the not so good. 

Yeahhh! If it was a happy-go-lucky ending it'd be cheap, though it'd be a reprieve if Solas had a truly happy ending for once. Poor guy.

I consider Anders' runaway ending to be kind of happy-ish, as far as everything goes. I do really hope for some branches of choice in the matter, and not just a cemented tunnel regardless of your approval or romance with him. I'm sure it will be a satisfying story, regardless of what actually happens, though

 

 I think one good example is Cullen and his Lyrium addiction. It doesn't really change anything whether he takes Lyrium again or not. Maybe we'll see the consequences of that choice in future DLCs. But with Alistair and Anders those choices make their stories more interesting and better. I think devs can offer players meaningful choices to almost any story if they want to do that and I think that Solas is important enough so they should really think ways to give players different ways to to deal with his situation.

I have complete confidence in the team at Bioware. I don't think they will let us down!
 

 

In the cinematic it kinda looks like they do, the Inquisitor picks up the orb and everything goes white. 

That is an interesting thought...

Since a variety of folks could become Divine (even the player at one point, even a man!), and since the Inquisition is kind of a purposeless tool right now, I wonder if there's not going to be some sort of strife that tears down the Chantry? Maybe they rebel against the Inquisitor.

 

I have been thinking could it have been Solas who made the mark permanent? I mean he study the mark so maybe he made something either by accident or on purpose that made the mark permanent.

Another interesting theory! And if he bound it to you, maybe he could unbind it as well?
 

[Illyria]

NO. WHERE ARE YOU GOING?! IT'S GETTING DARK AND FULL OF TERRORS IN HERE!

 

*floats back in*

 

*places a Team Optimism hat on ChuChu's head*

 

*floats away*

[ChuChu]

Here's the finished version of that Solas x Lavellan painting I was working on: 

Spoiler

 

Preview: 

 

And I also put together a gif showing the steps!:

Spoiler

[S.W.]

team optimism, could you recommend me some fluffy, cute fanfic? I've had my fill of heart-breaking angst for the moment.

[Branford]

Well guys first of all I want to thank you for being such a lovely and fun community, you are the main reason why I finally decided to join the forums (I literally stalked you for weeks ). Aside from the fact that I love Solas, of course.

Because I am not a very creative person and I didn't know how to contribute to the thread, I will simply share my thoughts about this awesome character. I hope it's enough and it won't bore you to death (hence the spoiler tag, feel free to skip).

 

Spoiler

I bought the game without knowing much about it. And I'll be honest with you, I played all the way through DAO and DA2 because I saw a trailer of Inquisition and a few friends of mine suggested that I really should try the series. And so I did, probably a little bit too quickly since I started Inquisition without knowing the lore so well - which is something EXTREMELY uncommon for me. I read a few pages about the characters and romances available and completely discarded poor Solas as uninteresting, resigning myself to the idea of riding the Bull because, well, Cullen is too perfect for my standards and I didn't like Blackwall. And I chose an elven inquisitor because it somehow felt right. Sooo after making countless random but providential decisions, I started playing the game. A couple of hours into it and my plans were all gone to s*** already. And I'm not just referring to the romance, I'm talking about the whole package. I mean I literally found myself asking questions over and over again to the egghead and listening carefully to whatever he was saying. Everything else was kind of forgotten. First he was interesting, then he became oddly charming, then boom pregnant (<-- a figure of speech).

 

But let's not rush things. His character. He is first and foremost a thinker and an introvert. And it was so refreshing to find such a character when 90% of videogames focus more on strong leading figures, very socially confident and so on... He has a lot of different layers though, like deep feelings and nostalgia for what was lost, but he also fancies the heady blend of power (...) and can be quite sassy if he wants to, as well as he can get very angry. I like these things because you don't find out about them all at once, but instead you have to dig a bit, like you would do with a real person. I mean we all wear a mask, don't we?

Romancing him added a lot to both the overall story and the exploration of his "inner depths". I won't discuss the breaking up here, it's too long of a discussion. I'll just say that 1) I believe he wouldn't have had such an impact on me had the romance not have ended so badly. Call me a masochist, but I am glad it did. And 2) that his giving priority to his commitments over a relationship is again something very human. It happened to me once and I can understand him. This doesn't mean I didn't go what the hell on him or I wasn't sad, but you could say I'm one of those people who are very susceptible to the mysterious beauty of sadness. DLC? I'd be satisfied if my quizzy finds out why it had to end.

 

After finishing my first playthrough and literally watching all versions of his cutscenes on youtube, I realized I liked his character so much because I could relate to him, in many ways. The overall sadness around him, his introversion and thoughtful, logical nature, with yet a lot of suppressed feelings, especially when he mentions the lost knowledge of the past...so at some point in a lazy evening I was reading what people thought his MBTI type was and - surprise! - it turned out he could very well be an intp. Which happens to be my type as well. Now I don't know if you're familiar with this test, but you can search it on the internet and you'll find a lot about it. It sounds very silly at first but it was a revelation for me when I first found out about it, it literally let me understand why I am the way I am. So basically all the pieces came together to form the bigger picture and I WOWed even more. I can see why some players think he didn't care about the inquisitor or his people the same way I know that none of my acquaintances would believe that I could cry for hours thinking about how many great things my country did in the past that we don't seem to be capable of doing anymore. You don't see the feelings, but they are there.

 

There is so much more I'd like to say (but can't recall atm) that I'll stop talking riiight here with the hope that what I said makes some sense. I swear I've been thinking about what to write the whole day and couldn't focus on studying at all. And for a videogame character. I can really overthink things sometimes .

[panamakira]

I would give you my old tiny Team Optimism flag, but Illyria stole it 

 

It certainly hasn't been a happy story so far.  But it's been a very good one, and I have confidence that it will continue to grow in Weekes' capable hands.  Even if we're all in tears by the end.  But that also doesn't mean that the whole story has to be unrelenting tragedy.  There can be bright spots and moments of hope that keep a character going despite all the pain, and the friendship/romance with the Inquisitor can be one of those bright spots for Solas.

I'll take your old tiny Team Optimism flag!!!  lol I mean Solamancers understand that the story we got wasn't a happy one, I could best describe it as passionate but full of bittersweet moments. Also the fact the Weekes emphasizes that Solas has more to tell and most of it, it's not a happy story tells us that there's a lot of Solas' story left to tell.

 

I want to say I'm ready and staying optimistic but I'm also terrified!