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#103726
CapricornSun

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Art break! :)

 

Pretty art of Solas and Lavellan.

 

Solas emoji challenge.

 

Egg wolf? Wolf egg? xD

 

Party Banter.

 

 

And some artwork from osatokun's twitter. :D

 

Solas as a frontman of a music band

 

Solas sketch.

 

Little sketches of Solas and her Lavellan

 

A little happy scene of Solas and Lavellan.

 

And her little WIP of my Lavellan and Solas that I commissioned from her.  :wub:


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#103727
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Having Solas and Cassandra in my party all the time during this ongoing playthrough of mine, I'm reminded how much I love their relationship! Solas just adores Cassandra in his kind of stoic, Solas way and compliments her and her honorable nature all the time. The way he talks with her after her personal quest is so awesome. And Cassandra is constantly like "Solas, I don't think I understand the thing. Solas, explain the thing." (Which we all know Solas loves so maybe that's part of why he likes her so much). I like to imagine she compiles questions in her head specifically to ask Solas when they get the time.  :lol:


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#103728
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Can´t help but think of this everytime I see Solas.

 

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Why does every song like this just scream Solavellan at me now? Here is the latest addition to my Solas playlist at nearly 3AM.

 

*sigh*

 


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#103730
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Considering Bioware's track record for horrible hair, I doubt they are going to bring in any hair past shoulder length. 

 

It would take a miracle. Which I hope will happen because I need certain characters to be beautiful...

I know! I would go for long hair.

 

I have to agree on the doubtfulness -- alas, Bioware probably doesn't spend an exponential amount time on longer hair designs because the resources to create all the physics and intricacies across various platforms included in armor, animations and unique character creations would eat up their limited time and resources that they'd likely prefer spending on other assets, story and content. And I don't know if their engine is all too great for hair (slab on back syndrome)... though I could be wrong. I've seen some gorgeous inquisitor player mods, though. :)

The Lady of the Forest was pretty! She had long hair!


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#103731
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I know! I would go for long hair. Alas, Bioware probably doesn't spend an exponential amount time on the hair because the resources to create all the physics and intricacies across various platforms included in armor, animations and unique character creations would eat up their limited time and resources that they'd likely prefer spending on other assets, story and content. And I don't know if their engine is all too great for hair. I've seen some gorgeous inquisitors player mods, though. :)

The Lady of the Forest was pretty! She had long hair!

 

Mythal has long hair. But she only shows up for cut scenes, which makes animating it easier since it only has to move whenever she decides to show up. Its not like the party members who go everywhere with you; walking, attacking, dying, etc. 


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Mythal has long hair. But she only shows up for cut scenes, which makes animating it easier since it only has to move whenever she decides to show up. Its not like the party members who go everywhere with you; walking, attacking, dying, etc. 

Yeah...  I could live with any glitches or weirdness in the hair if I could have Mythal's hair, though. That hair is bamf ;)



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Vivienne does have depth but I still really hated her. I didn't even recruit her on my second playthrough. She's too mean, condescending, elitist, and self-serving for my Inquisition.

 

And even worse, she front loads her barriers...

 

<_< :P


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#103734
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I'd rather they make Solas stick with the bald look for DA4 (assuming he'll be in DA4, that is) and keep the hair for flashbacks of his days as young Fen'Harel, but that's just me. :P (EDIT: I've grown to love his egghead look too much.)

 Patrick Weekes jewel is already there,no doubt 



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ChuChu

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Someone needs to tweet the question to the SolasBot then and put the answer here! I would, but I sadly fail at social media.

 

Would still like to know what Weekes would have to say about it though.

I think someone ought to do this! Though, I might know the answer:

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#103736
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I think someone ought to do this! Though, I might know the answer:

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Mmm......what would 'frilly cakes' be in ancient elvish I wonder....



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CapricornSun

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More art. :P

 

Cute Solavellan doodles.

 

Ma sa’nehn

Ma sa’lath

Ma Vehnan

Ma Solas

 

Sketches of hooded Solas.

 

Modern AU DA:I Crew

 

Fenris and Solas.


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When does Cole say this? I've never had him say that to any of my Lavellans. I'm a little disappointed I've never gotten that line  :lol:

 

 

During Cole's personal quest about the amulet (after Here Lies the Abyss) when you pick one of the lines ... I forget which one, I think it's something how a blood mage could take over anyone's mind? ... and Cole basically says that Solas could bind the Inquisitor too.

 

I think maybe you have to be a mage for this line to trigger?

 

Off topic: Didn't want to get too into the next comic page, since I was waiting for Game of Thrones to come on... and instead I took the time to doodle a concept hair Solas.

Disclaimer: I think egg head Solas is best Solas. They made the right choice. :)

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:wub:

 

But he looks better bald.


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#103739
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I think maybe you have to be a mage for this line to trigger?

 

 

:wub:

 

But he looks better bald.

I'm worried that I'll go bald as I age. :unsure:

I'm no Patrick Stewart. My scalp was designed with the expectation that no one would ever see it naked.  :lol: Where would I be without my long black/dark brown/light brown/auburn/blonde locks of keratin? (Having a lot quicker and less stressful showers, for one.)

But yeah, Iorveth Best Elf Egghead Solas best Solas. :D

In other news, I'm writing and digging into Slavic Mythology for reasons.

Veles has become my new god, is all I'm saying. :D



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I've been reading comments (reddit, youtube) that have said Solas lied to the Inquisitor at the Well of Sorrows. Solas claims he said "I hope you find a new name" when he actually said "Malas amelin ne halam, Abelas" meaning "Your ---[blood] is finished, Abelas." In addition, when Solas said "Ar lasa mala revas" he literally says "I grant your freedom." I guess you could argue ancient elvish translates differently, but what he said to Abelas really doesn't match up. 

 

I think I'm finally going to just expect the worst possible outcome. Solas has lied, manipulated, gave partial truths, and hid his identity from the Inquisitor. How can we blindly trust that he's a good person? Maybe it's a good thing he broke up with the Inquistior. 

 

Or maybe I'm just going crazy waiting for another DLC. I should really stop reading/watching fan theories, but they're so interesting.

 

I keep coming back to this thread and you guys keep convincing me that maybe Solas really is "good." I just hope that you all are right. 

 

In trying to translate what Solas says to Abelas post Well events, I have found that the elvish I Am the One =/= I Am the One as sung by the bard. While I wrote this I found out via a tumblr post by David Gaider [http://fenxshiral.tu...on-i-am-the-one] that the elven I Am the One isn't even translatable because the writing team didn't even write it... 

 

Translation reasoning: 

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I think maybe you have to be a mage for this line to trigger?

Nah, anyone can get it. Just pick "That's true for everyone" option from the dialogue wheel.



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It's pretty standard procedure for pagan gods to conceal their identities when hanging out with mortals. Test their grasp on sacred hospitality and the like. :)

Solas is doing it out of self-preservation, and because no one would believe him. While he does have shady moments, I don't think the conversation with Abelas is one. He's telling you the gist of what he said. He's just leaving out the parts that paint him as an ancient elf.

I understood it as something along the lines of, "Your slave marks hold no sway over you anymore. You have nothing to guard. You are free."


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#103743
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Cole like Solas. Just that means that he isn't a bad person. I trust Cole in that. If Solas was doing something that was bad to the Inquistor or had a very shady intention, Cole would not be so friendly with him.


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It leads me to believe that one of the core issues with Vivienne is that she is unwilling to look beyond the face of things as they are and have been for quite some time, she does not grasp that this axis of danger she sees in mages being free versus being locked up (figuratively, in her imagination, which is all she has known) because she has never witnessed any mage who is able to function outside of expectations.

 

Back to self-fulfilling prophecy. In this day and age, it is relevant to consider that most mages have grown up knowing only this axis of existence, there is no room for different interpretations, ergo Solas' idea would not work, at least at first, yet that does not mean that the idea should not be pursued. Plus there is the sheltered existence factor - Vivienne herself is a prime example of that. So, in essence, the problem with Vivienne's viewpoint is that she is omitting the possibility of mages taking responsibility for themselves and for their actions, i.e. mages have been largely raised to remain children in the eyes of the world and they cannot help but act like it in many instances.

 

Very interesting analysis. I think though that Vivienne's unwillingness to open up to new possibilities, despite being certainly connected to her upbringing in the circle, was also shaped by her personal experience. She came very close to being possessed at some point and that marked her, because she realized that power doesn't mean you're 100% demonproof, so no one is safe. She's powerful, she's smart, she knows it. Yet it happened and she's been afraid of spirits/demons ever since. And if it happened to her, what would happen to mages who aren't as capable and talented as she is (which means the majority of them)? So I believe she doesn't see rebel mages as dangerous simply because they are childish and irresponsible, but instead because they are childish and irresponsible mages that most times lack the knowledge to be given complete freedom and could be easily tricked by spirits/demons. Now, that they don't know a thing about the world is of course a consequence of their life in the circle, but she believes boundaries are preferable to the risks because she experienced what might happen. Some viewpoints she rejects because her experience taught her otherwise (eg Solas on spirits) or because of her chantry/circle upbringing (eg that you can't survive and/or can't fully develop as a mage without a circle), some others she sacrifices in favor of safety (she would never abolish circles but at the same time she recognizes that for example the situation in Kirkwall was bad).

 

Note that I didn't use Viv at all in my 1st playthrough because I instantly found her annoying, but I'm giving her a try on my second one and I've been talking to her some more, and this is pretty much what I've come up with about her so far. I still think mages were right to rebel and I always recruit them as allies, but there's reason behind her tough stance and I can at least understand why she's so adamant when it comes to magic and all things related to it.


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Regarding Viv: While she has legitimate reasons for her opinions on mage freedom (her near possession and the Kirkwall incident) the fact remains that Solas was right. The chantry locked up mages to "protect" them and non-mages from the dangers that magic can inflict but it didn't work. The chantry either doesn't learn and makes the same mistakes it has for years or it changes and runs the risk of falling into the same group mentality that turned it from a charitable worship to a dictatorship too busy sowing gowns and building temples. Why would putting things the way they were before help anyone? Wouldn't trying something new have more potential? I know there isn't really a right answer and Tevinter still stands as what too much freedom could do to Thedas. I'm simply believe that madness is conducting the same experiment twice and expecting different results. But to get back to the point, if Viv holds on to the view that she is the only one with the right answer then she has more in common with Solas then is healthy. For anyone.
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#103746
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^ on the above, I actually think northern and southern Thedas have an identical problem with magic. In both Tevinter and Orlais, magic is an instrument of fear - as either a method of terrifying the general population into submission, and as only to be feared. Sure, possession is a genuine risk - but magic can also save lives through healing and protection, it can cast wards to scare off dangers, it can quench fires that would otherwise destroy villages, it can lift heavy objects which may crush a normal human being, it can do back-breaking work without any workers actually breaking their backs.

 

At the end of the day, magic's just a manifestation of power which is particularly dangerous. Like as Viv indeed argues, fire. But you don't lock up fire in towers. Fire is necessary to cook and keep warm - it's in hearths and in stoves and in campfires. If we want the status of magic to change, it just needs to become a normal and regular part of people's lives rather than inspiring supreme suspicion and paranoia - and the people of thedas do not treat magic as normal (and coincidentally, that is why I think the mage rebellion has been so violent and bloody and prolonged, in comparison to other revolutions which are bloodless).

 

Basically, there's nothing inherently wrong with power. The problem is the way power is treated, used, and divvied up between people. Currently, mages are treated like things to be feared - whether as terror-inducing magisters, blood mages, or abominations, which is precisely why they act like things to be feared. Mages are also cut off from ordinary people's lives most of the time and don't see how their experiments and their actions may actually impact normal people. In short, I think they'd take more precautions and would be more empathetic if they lived amongst ordinary people. And in turn, ordinary people would learn more about magic, and know when and when not to be afraid. The more you know about a kitchen - how to use and hold knives, how to use the stove, when/when not to touch things, the the less you are afraid of accidentally burning your hand off, right? (I'm speaking as someone who has only learnt to cook in the last two years, and for the first six months I wouldn't touch the oven). Magic's just a kitchen, basically. Or should be.

 

tl;dr Solas is right.


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#103747
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on topic:

 

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All this beautiful fan art is making me want to learn how to draw again.


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#103748
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I was hoping that I could get him back if I got the DLC but it did not happen. But I also lost Vivien can I get her back?



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I was hoping that I could get him back if I got the DLC but it did not happen. But I also lost Vivien can I get her back?

 

If she's gone to be Divine then probably not.



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I think someone ought to do this! Though, I might know the answer:

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