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[NightSymphony]

But how could Solas have removed her Vallaslin in the Fade?  I suppose since he's a god he can do anything. :-P

[Oswin]

This isn't even slightly on topic, but I just watched Game of Thrones, this sums up my feelings on that episode... 

 

The guy doing the announcements for the pit fighting was Male Hawke's VA 

 

Just a random fact to bring some DA into it.

 

Yup.

 

don't mind me down here. Just passing by.

 

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[Caddius]

I'm done with the show. Done.  They ruined Stannis.  He's ruined for the show. at least we have book Stannis. WHO WOULD HAVE NEVER DONE THAT. 

DIS BE SPOILER TERRITORY Possibly beyond the released books, even.

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Apparently Martin has said that at some point in the books, Stannis does the same thing, just under different circumstances. Which in my book have to be apocalyptic circumstances after losing Davos and spiraling into madness or some kind of crap.
It's a damn shame. Stannis, while he was missing some of his best characterization bits from the books, is played beautifully by Dillane. Then they had to go screw it up.
And the 'reach Winterfell without freezing to death'? Book Stannis was smart. He reached out to the northern tribes and got their aid to bolster his numbers and help him traverse the snows. He wasn't some jackass that turns to human sacrifice to make up for a dumbfounding logistics error.
On the bright side, Stannis doing the thing 'later' in Winds of Winter or A Dream of Spring means that Ramsay is lying in his letter when he claims Stannis died.

This entire season has been a mess. I want Barristan. And for that matter, Belwas! Before this, it was an excellent example of how to port a book series like A Song of Ice and Fire into a television series. Now...ack. 

*sigh*

So I'm trying to look into the Thedas Kings project for CKII. Apparently they've released a beta tester version of the map of Thedas, but haven't had much activity the last few months. Dammit, I need to carve out the new Dales!

But just imagine the sheer chaos of a 100 year Blight. Reforging the Imperium. The Qunari Wars. The Game with a fortunately high Intrigue noble. I'm tempted to learn how to mod myself to do it if the dear Russians slack off to have social lives or something. 

(Yes, the PS4 is currently at my SO's home, and I'm adrift on a sea of Non-Witching   I guess she plays games on her console too? That's a thing, apparently.  )

[MoonDrummer]

DIS BE SPOILER TERRITORY Possibly beyond the released books, even.

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Apparently Martin has said that at some point in the books, Stannis does the same thing, just under different circumstances. Which in my book have to be apocalyptic circumstances after losing Davos and spiraling into madness or some kind of crap.
It's a damn shame. Stannis, while he was missing some of his best characterization bits from the books, is played beautifully by Dillane. Then they had to go screw it up.
And the 'reach Winterfell without freezing to death'? Book Stannis was smart. He reached out to the northern tribes and got their aid to bolster his numbers and help him traverse the snows. He wasn't some jackass that turns to human sacrifice to make up for a dumbfounding logistics error.
On the bright side, Stannis doing the thing 'later' in Winds of Winter or A Dream of Spring means that Ramsay is lying in his letter when he claims Stannis died.

This entire season has been a mess. I want Barristan. And for that matter, Belwas! Before this, it was an excellent example of how to port a book series like A Song of Ice and Fire into a television series. Now...ack. 

*sigh*

So I'm trying to look into the Thedas Kings project for CKII. Apparently they've released a beta tester version of the map of Thedas, but haven't had much activity the last few months. Dammit, I need to carve out the new Dales!

But just imagine the sheer chaos of a 100 year Blight. Reforging the Imperium. The Qunari Wars. The Game with a fortunately high Intrigue noble. I'm tempted to learn how to mod myself to do it if the dear Russians slack off to have social lives or something. 

(Yes, the PS4 is currently at my SO's home, and I'm adrift on a sea of Non-Witching   I guess she plays games on her console too? That's a thing, apparently.  )

Whatever happened to Stannis will break before he bends?  ... .... ...

Even more book spoilers

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I don't think Stannis would ever agree to it, killing his heir, effectively ending House Baratheon? i just don't see it. Maybe to bring Jon back.  Stannis made arrangements for Shireen's claim to be fought for if he died, and he is about a quarter of a Westeros away from her atm.

 

If anything it will be done without his permission. Which is what I thought would happen in the tv show (I had predicted that Ramsey would kill him and Shireen would be killed to bring him back).

 

[dawnstone]

  

True. Poor Cory didn't know who she was thinking about while melting his face

It was discussed some time ago that maybe the scene took place in the Fade. It's certainly less depressing than Solas going all "Ok thx bye" and poor Lavellan riding by herself for a whole week. Poor soul, the first one that asked "So how was your trip?" when she got to Skyhold.

It couldn't have been in the Fade, because Solas specifically mentions the feeling of how thin the Veil is where they are - which does put them closer to the Fade but not within. If he returned before she did, I imagine someone would go after her, or maybe he might send someone to meet her; it doesn't look like he disappeared for a few days like he did after Wisdom died - the Inquisition is too close to defeating Cory. Ugh it's too sad.

[Caddius]

It couldn't have been in the Fade, because Solas specifically mentions the feeling of how thin the Veil is where they are - which does put them closer to the Fade but not within. If he returned before she did, I imagine someone would go after her, or maybe he might send someone to meet her; it doesn't look like he disappeared for a few days like he did after Wisdom died - the Inquisition is too close to defeating Cory. Ugh it's too sad.

It's a spot in the game we can go to in Crestwood, and the Fade (with the admitted exception of the Haven Dream) is usually shown to be the Fade. *shrug*

More Game of Thrones chit-chat:

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Yeah, wiping out his own House is not Stannis's way. (Er, Renly aside.) I could see Melisandre doing it to save Stannis, and Stannis being PISSED. I just don't see a way, Book or TV, that Stannis would willingly sacrifice his only child.
Since while the Witcher Kings mod for CKII is fun but crashes, I'm downloading the newest version of the Game of Thrones one. I'll take over Stannis myself, by gum. *rolls up sleeves*

[Garnet]

Sera also mentions, "You go off with Solas and now your elfy dealies are gone." if you remove the vallaslin, so I think they did travel there. Solas wanted to take her somewhere special so he could talk alone with her. Then butt groping. Then sadness. D:

[NightSymphony]

Another Wolf and Halla art..but it's pretty so it's ok

http://refinition.de...Halla-538419793

[Moirin]

It couldn't have been in the Fade, because Solas specifically mentions the feeling of how thin the Veil is where they are - which does put them closer to the Fade but not within. If he returned before she did, I imagine someone would go after her, or maybe he might send someone to meet her; it doesn't look like he disappeared for a few days like he did after Wisdom died - the Inquisition is too close to defeating Cory. Ugh it's too sad.

 

I don't know if the Veil is usually described as feeling thin when in the Fade. Seems that would be weird.

 

About the someone meeting Lavellan, I mean, you have a Keep that you took in Crestwood that isn't far off that is filled with your soldiers, I am sure Lavellan would be able to manage finding some sort of escort or word back to Skyhold from there.

[Ramification]

I've been reading comments (reddit, youtube) that have said Solas lied to the Inquisitor at the Well of Sorrows. Solas claims he said "I hope you find a new name" when he actually said "Malas amelin ne halam, Abelas" meaning "Your ---[blood] is finished, Abelas." In addition, when Solas said "Ar lasa mala revas" he literally says "I grant your freedom." I guess you could argue ancient elvish translates differently, but what he said to Abelas really doesn't match up. 

 

I think I'm finally going to just expect the worst possible outcome. Solas has lied, manipulated, gave partial truths, and hid his identity from the Inquisitor. How can we blindly trust that he's a good person? Maybe it's a good thing he broke up with the Inquistior. 

 

Or maybe I'm just going crazy waiting for another DLC. I should really stop reading/watching fan theories, but they're so interesting.

 

I keep coming back to this thread and you guys keep convincing me that maybe Solas really is "good." I just hope that you all are right. 

 

In trying to translate what Solas says to Abelas post Well events, I have found that the elvish I Am the One =/= I Am the One as sung by the bard. While I wrote this I found out via a tumblr post by David Gaider [http://fenxshiral.tu...on-i-am-the-one] that the elven I Am the One isn't even translatable because the writing team didn't even write it... 

 

Translation reasoning: 

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Malas = Mala means your. Malas is likely a conjugated form.

amelin =  Ame means ??? Lin means blood. Amelin is contained in the lyrics of the elven I Am the One, but english (common) version doesn't match up. 

ne = you 

halam = the end, finished [guessing it stems from Halamshiral, "the end" "journey"] 

 

ar = I, me

lasa = las means grant. lasa is conjugated? 

mala = your

revas = freedom

 

sources: World of Thedas (Mir Da'len Somniar pg 217) and http://dragonage.wik.../Elven_language

 

 

Cole tells you that Solas is a good person and Cole sees everything. He even sorta tries to get Solas to reconcile with the Quizz post break up. If you had Solas in your party a lot you know he's a moral person who has made some serious mistakes. His judgment might be questionable but in no way is he a bad guy. 

 

I don't believe Solas lied to the Inquisitor at the Well of Sorrows. I think he summarized the deeper meaning of his words to Abelas because a direct translation would make no sense.  He needed to talk to Abelas in a way that would have meaning to an ancient elf and likely that would give too much away about his identity to the party. The bit about the "blood" is referring to blood writing (vallaslin) which we know is about enslavement. It sounds like he was releasing Abelas from his duty and telling him to find a new life (name). To me those words = compassion. 

 

Solas didn't confess his identity but he did try to avoid lying as much as possible. If he was this grand master liar he would have hidden the way he speaks Elven and never told Lilianna the REAL name of his village. At any point the Inquisition could have put 2 and 2 together but everyone was busy with other stuff including the Quizz who likely wouldn't spend time digging to find fault in her lover. 

[Cee]

This has been bothering me since I played the romance, it definitely is the worst timing ever. Lavellan has to go to the final fight with Corypheus with a broken heart... not the best frame of mind. I like to think that Solas facepalms at himself a lot after the breakup.

 

This exact situation has been making me want to write a particular sad fic I've been tossing around in my head.

 

 

The guy doing the announcements for the pit fighting was Male Hawke's VA 

 

I was wondering why he seemed so familiar.

[dawnstone]

I don't know if the Veil is usually described as feeling thin when in the Fade. Seems that would be weird.

 

About the someone meeting Lavellan, I mean, you have a Keep that you took in Crestwood that isn't far off that is filled with your soldiers, I am sure Lavellan would be able to manage finding some sort of escort or word back to Skyhold from there.

Yes, that would be weird.

 

Now I wonder if they rode there from the keep together, but only brought one mount, and he just kind of walked off and left the hart (of course it's a hart, my Lavellan always rides a hart) and somehow he turns up back at Skyhold before her (because maybe he changed into a wolf and took off like the coward he is ). Ah, I love and hate not knowing, but I get to make up my own stories for fun about it. They weren't wearing armor, so it would make sense if they were staying at the Keep, and had an escort or something.

[MayriyaNoori]

As depressing as the whole situation was....have to give bioware credit that the waterfall is an extremely well done scene and the Team Optimism side of me says that we should have an equally well done reunion scene.

Seriously. I will riot or something if we do get a Solas DLC and all we get is some passing comment in a conversation.

[Gwyvian]

This has been bothering me since I played the romance, it definitely is the worst timing ever. Lavellan has to go to the final fight with Corypheus with a broken heart... not the best frame of mind. I like to think that Solas facepalms at himself a lot after the breakup.

 

Actually, I think it's a perfect frame of mind - regardless of Lavellan's answer, she is feeling a void that is too horrible to contemplate, the last thing she would want is to focus on the inside, thus her focus on "other problems" has doubled. Plus, she might also have a lot of rage that needs to be released somewhere and a deserving enemy is best for that. I had a similar heartbreak once, and I remember that all of a sudden I was really good at solving all kinds of problems because I was clinging to as many distractions as humanly possible. I did everything to avoid straying into contemplation territory where I would have had to face how hollow and pointless I felt. Of course, everyone handles grief in their own way, so...

[Joe25]

Quiz: Solas! I saw this at the market and thought you would like it.

Solas: (opens box)

Quiz: Do you like it?

Solas: (Pulls out wolf skull)

Quiz: I know you like animal bones.

Solas:.......

Quiz: I think I should leave. (walks out of room)

Solas: Mama

[CapricornSun]

It's time for more art.

 

Solas and Lavellan artworks.

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Let Her Go. (So pretty!)

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http://lillotte17.tu...ep-but-never-to

 

 

Tumblr post version of the Halla and Wolf art that NightSymphony posted earlier.

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http://refinition.tu...alla-deviantart

 

 

Solas and Lavellan.

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This is only a preview. Tumblr link shows the full thing and it's NSFW. 

http://karininini.tu...y-is-this-small

 

 

Some links. 

(You know what they are...)

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"Getting you into bed is just an enjoyable side benefit." (NSFW-ish)

And more (very) NSFW stuff. *phew*

 

Lovely Solas sketch.

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http://bludunes.tumb...st/121041555105

 

 

"I look at you, and see who your truly are..." (Another pretty artwork. )

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http://cl0udb3rryart...u-truly-are-yes

 

[Sable Rhapsody]

I'm done with the show. Done.  They ruined Stannis.  He's ruined for the show. at least we have book Stannis. WHO WOULD HAVE NEVER DONE THAT.

 
Wow.  I just read everyone's GOT spoilers.  Really, REALLY glad I tapped out of the show earlier in the season.  I don't have the energy to nerd rage over this sort of thing any more.  I'm gonna just...go pet my kitty and paint some miniatures 
 

Actually, I think it's a perfect frame of mind - regardless of Lavellan's answer, she is feeling a void that is too horrible to contemplate, the last thing she would want is to focus on the inside, thus her focus on "other problems" has doubled. Plus, she might also have a lot of rage that needs to be released somewhere and a deserving enemy is best for that.

Yeah, my Lavellan's like this. The effect of the breakup certainly shows; she smiles less, she's a lot quieter and more withdrawn. But I did the endgame all at once, and she was going to be damned if Solas's bad social timing cost her a victory on top of a relationship.

[ChuChu]

 
Wow.  I just read everyone's GOT spoilers.  Really, REALLY glad I tapped out of the show earlier in the season.  I don't have the energy to nerd rage over this sort of thing any more.  I'm gonna just...go pet my kitty and paint some miniatures 
 

Yeah, my Lavellan's like this. The effect of the breakup certainly shows; she smiles less, she's a lot quieter and more withdrawn. But I did the endgame all at once, and she was going to be damned if Solas's bad social timing cost her a victory on top of a relationship.

On the GoT subject, I'm totally ok with the show.  The creators have been spoiled on the books so they're just trimming a bunch of fat/manipulating a few narratives to get to their end game sooner. They have to consider how much money they can sink in to actors, locations, etc... and how much they can save if they take a narrative short cut. And this way, I will still enjoy the books later on whilst currently enjoying the show. One won't necessarily spoil the other! Ya know?

As for the Lavellan break up -- I'm torn. My Lavellan was personally holding out hope that they could discuss things after Cory was defeated. It was almost as if Cory was an obstacle to overcome in their relationship. So when it finally ended -- she did not take his disappearance well.

As for Solas -- well, I don't think he intended to break up with Lavellan in Crestwood. But things kind of got really intimate, and a thousand thoughts probably flooded through his head right there. So when he managed to take that step backward and away from you, it gave him the resolve to put his goals first. Not putting Lavellan second -- no, but putting himself second. He likely viewed his whole relationship with you as selfish, and not something he deserved -- he has things to make right with the People, and the People need him. Even if he needs you, he's not going to put his needs above the greater good. He didn't mean to hurt you, but he mustered up the strength to do what he thought was necessary. If he didn't do it then, he might never have done it. And that's why his timing sucked.

All of Thedas should be glad that Lavellan either
A: was not the sort to get physically sick from heart ache
B: turned her heart to a cutting edge
C: chilled out in the Frostbacks for a bit, or
D: is just so BA that Cory was a pushover

[Cee]

Actually, I think it's a perfect frame of mind - regardless of Lavellan's answer, she is feeling a void that is too horrible to contemplate, the last thing she would want is to focus on the inside, thus her focus on "other problems" has doubled. Plus, she might also have a lot of rage that needs to be released somewhere and a deserving enemy is best for that. I had a similar heartbreak once, and I remember that all of a sudden I was really good at solving all kinds of problems because I was clinging to as many distractions as humanly possible. I did everything to avoid straying into contemplation territory where I would have had to face how hollow and pointless I felt. Of course, everyone handles grief in their own way, so...

 

Mine is a bit angry. It bubbles up, but this stems from his refusal to tell her anything. I took the Cole banter about being embarrassed and blaming herself and not sure what to think (the removed vallaslin one) and kind of headcanon a huge mix of frustration and sorrow. But she has always been dutiful, and she's questioned herself her whole life because she feels almost split in two. She has never been good at masking her emotions, except when she's doing her duty. She used to wonder how she was even selected to train as a clan hunter but she discovered how to focus when necessary.

 

That said, the combined stress of everything comes out. She starts being unable to sleep much/well, doesn't eat enough, throws herself into work, and that has its own effects.
 

[ChuChu]

And on that matter -- I know people refer to it as the "Solas break up" scene, but is it just flat out denial that I don't consider them really broken up? 

Is it?

xD
 

[Cee]

Well, the game certainly considers you still locked in. If that's for a purpose or not.....we'll see, I guess.

 

In Cole's post-breakup banter, he says "you turned away" to Solas.

 

So....maybe one could hide in the blanket fort if desired. Until we have more.

[ChuChu]

Well, the game certainly considers you still locked in. If that's for a purpose or not.....we'll see, I guess.

 

In Cole's post-breakup banter, he says "you turned away" to Solas.

 

So....maybe one could hide in the blanket fort if desired. Until we have more.

I will do that. -digs around trying to find cookies or something-

LOCKED IN GUYS! Still locked in. We're still good! Don't fret!

[Sable Rhapsody]

And on that matter -- I know people refer to it as the "Solas break up" scene, but is it just flat out denial that I don't consider them really broken up? 

Is it?

xD

 

Personally, I consider them broken up mostly for Lavellan's sanity.  On the heels of Corypheus, she's got JoH's problems if it's played post-game.  And the ramifications of the Divine decision.  And rebuilding.  At some point, she has to square her shoulders and deal with everything else on her plate, and that means putting the relationship out of her mind as much as she can.

 

My Lavellan still cares about Solas, and the breakup was devastating to her.  It was her first real relationship, and it ended so abruptly with no good explanation.  But she has to take care of herself first, then sort out whatever happened with Solas.  And she's still working on the first part.

[Cee]

The locked in thing is just meta knowledge.

 

Mine also considers things ended because of how it all came about and his disappearance. She still has a lot to do, and to deal with what comes after Corypheus, and in my headcanon, visiting her family too. The ramifications of having removed her vallaslin also keep the relationship in her mind, especially since it's such a visible thing. When it comes time to visit her family and clan things get....tangled. (Though her closest friend was once her first love, and she stands by her completely).

 

She has a lot of related feelings, both with the knowledge that she considered some aspect of this decision to be a new start, but one she didn't think she'd be taking alone. And with the JoH-related experiences (which I had her do pre-end with Solas, but post-breakup so there were additional loads of feelings), she begins to think about her place once again when reflecting upon it all.

[MayriyaNoori]

I can see my Lavellan getting pretty depressed and confused after the break up, but distracting herself with the needs of the Inquisition.  And for whatever amount of time there is between the break up and Solas actually leaving.....she would have at least attempted to be civil when they had to be around each other for whatever reason. She would still love him......

 

The real kick in for the upset though would be after he is just gone completely. Like, I can see that being the point where her companion friends would actually start to really worry. I can see her just standing in the rotunda staring at the last unfinished painting for extended amounts of time.