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Yes, that would be weird.

 

Now I wonder if they rode there from the keep together, but only brought one mount, and he just kind of walked off and left the hart (of course it's a hart, my Lavellan always rides a hart)

 

Just gonna say, as romantic as some people like to spin it, riding double is not as cute and fun as some might think. I'm pretty sure the well traveled and practical folks that are Solas the the Inquisitor would have had their own mounts for whatever excursion they had in mind. :P


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I can see my Lavellan getting pretty depressed and confused after the break up, but distracting herself with the needs of the Inquisition.  And for whatever amount of time there is between the break up and Solas actually leaving.....she would have at least attempted to be civil when they had to be around each other for whatever reason. She would still love him......

 

The real kick in for the upset though would be after he is just gone completely. Like, I can see that being the point where her companion friends would actually start to really worry. I can see her just standing in the rotunda staring at the last unfinished painting for extended amounts of time.

 

Yes, between, there's still a sense of hope. Even with the confusion. After he disappears, well, things shift. Short examples -

 

This is my post-breakup Lavellan: http://archiveofouro...g/works/3786085and this is resigned to/trying to make the most of her recurrent insomnia after he's gone. http://archiveofouro...g/works/3770008


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yeah my Lavellan considers them broken up after Solas left she had everything removed from his room  and she had it redecorated. She even went as far as having the murals painted over as it was too painful for her to walk into that room without being constantly reminded of Solas and being heartbroken.



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The guy doing the announcements for the pit fighting was Male Hawke's VA  :lol:

 

Just a random fact to bring some DA into it.

 

Yup.

 

I wondered who Nick Boulton was playing, I knew he was confirmed to play an Essos character in Series 5.

 

I need to catch up on GOT.

 

Spoiler

 

Sex dreams about people you know are awkward enough... with a dreamer who can see those dreams, you can cut the tension with a knife.

 

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Yeah you're right, it doesn't make sense that the scene took place in the Fade. Bravo, Solas  :angry:

 

Actually, I think it's a perfect frame of mind - regardless of Lavellan's answer, she is feeling a void that is too horrible to contemplate, the last thing she would want is to focus on the inside, thus her focus on "other problems" has doubled. Plus, she might also have a lot of rage that needs to be released somewhere and a deserving enemy is best for that. I had a similar heartbreak once, and I remember that all of a sudden I was really good at solving all kinds of problems because I was clinging to as many distractions as humanly possible. I did everything to avoid straying into contemplation territory where I would have had to face how hollow and pointless I felt. Of course, everyone handles grief in their own way, so...

 

 

Yeah, my Lavellan's like this. The effect of the breakup certainly shows; she smiles less, she's a lot quieter and more withdrawn. But I did the endgame all at once, and she was going to be damned if Solas's bad social timing cost her a victory on top of a relationship.

 

There are some people that don't handle grief by being more active and transforming sadness into rage; me, for example, I'm usually numbed and unable to do anything but lying down on the bed. But of course when the stakes are saving the world from a mad godlike being, you just have to swallow it up and deal with it, regardless of how you usually handle grief. If there's and exceptional situation to change the way you deal with heartbreak, Corypheus is the one  :lol:

 

RE: The breakup, I do consider them broken up, also for the sake of my Lavellan's sanity as Sable said. After all, Solas disappeared without a trace after the final battle, and she has a post-breach world and an Inquisition to deal with. My Lavellan also wants to try to change the situation of elves in Thedas and she wants to visit her clan, so she has too much on her plate to just sit and wait for Solas to return and explain whether they're still a couple or not (like he said he'd do ahem) or just throw everything away and go look for him. I know this is the headcanon of some people and I respect it, but I don't see my Lavellan doing that.

 

That said, I do think we'll get at least a reunion scene, but maybe not a riding off together into the sunset ending *waves tiny Team Optimism flag*


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Regarding the breakup, it's one of the things that makes me think that - as much as Solas has some great banter in it - JOH has a lot more resonance for a romanced Lavellan better post-endgame, due to some of history and background of certain characters we discover in it.

 

That and it's a nice little sign that the breakup didn't stop Lavellan being awesome.

 

When some people suffer a bad breakup, they seek solace by spending time in a basin filled with icecream... when Lavellan suffers a bad breakup, they interrupt their plans to seek Solas, to instead spend time in a basin fighting a dangerous ice dragon.


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Regarding the breakup, it's one of the things that makes me think that - as much as Solas has some great banter in it - JOH has a lot more resonance for a romanced Lavellan better post-endgame, due to some of history and background of certain characters we discover in it.

 

That and it's a nice little sign that the breakup didn't stop Lavellan being awesome.

 

When some people suffer a bad breakup, they seek solace by spending time in a basin filled with icecream... when Lavellan suffers a bad breakup, they interrupt their plans to seek Solas, to instead spend time in a basin fighting a dangerous ice dragon.

Yeah. Cause when you really think about it, and I am totally biased, Lavellan just overall is awesome because of basically the craziness she has to deal with being a Dalish Inquisitor. I know there was a recent thread someone did with a rant on it. And I have to say I agreed with pretty much everything I remember them bringing up. I mean, the whole Inquisition situation and everything you do is like a Dalish social nightmare.

 

Then, she is the only Inquisitor to have to deal with being dumped before final battle and then have to deal with the fact Solas is just gone. Can't even look at his pretty face anymore. Just gone.

 

And then go and continue dealing with the problems of Thedas.

 

At the end of the day, Lavellan has dealt with a ridiculous amount of nonsense. Honestly, she would probably take being told that Solas is Fen'Harel pretty well because what has she not dealt with at this point. Being told that you fell in love with one of your own gods and he dumped you because of some world altering plan he has would probably just seem like a normal day in the life for Lavellan.

 

That or it would be the final straw to ruin. Depending on the Lavellan I suppose.


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#103808
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And on that matter -- I know people refer to it as the "Solas break up" scene, but is it just flat out denial that I don't consider them really broken up? 

Is it?

xD

Honestly you're in denial. But it's okay <3

 

I imagine Lavellan wouldn't feel as much sting from the breakup until  after Solas was completely gone. At least before she could see him and still have some kind of relationship/bond. I know that even if you're broken up, interacting the person you love can still bring joy (ONLY if you ended on decent terms ...) I'm really curious how Lavellan would act around Solas post-break up. I guess it depends on the Lavellan. Now I feel bad for keeping Solas in my party post-breakup. Resting in tents at camp I'd imagine the whole party would have to share. Being forced to travel together for days and fight side by side (especially if Lavellan is a mage). If she got drunk would she try to seduce him? That would be either hilarious or heartbreaking. I can also imagine Lavellan sleeping on his little couch just to be near him. Would he kick her out?

 

They should give us the ability to move on and explore other romances (because someone always takes the girl poor Cullen has a crush on), but I'm not sure exactly how much time passes with Solas gone. But you knoooow the next story DLC could come out and portray Solas as being absent for a single day. 



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They should give us the ability to move on and explore other romances (because someone always takes the girl poor Cullen has a crush on), but I'm not sure exactly how much time passes with Solas gone. But you knoooow the next story DLC could come out and portray Solas as being absent for a single day. 

 You know, now that you mention it......do we actually ever click a "Start a romance with Solas" button. Because I was running around on my current playthrough which is after the break up but I haven't gone to fight Cory yet and I have a conversation option with Cullen that says "Start romance with Cullen" and I clicked it out of curiosity. He refuses of course because of being locked in with Solas....but I don't ever recall anywhere in conversation a "Start Romance With Solas" option happen.

 

Am I imagining this?



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 You know, now that you mention it......do we actually ever click a "Start a romance with Solas" button. Because I was running around on my current playthrough which is after the break up but I haven't gone to fight Cory yet and I have a conversation option with Cullen that says "Start romance with Cullen" and I clicked it out of curiosity. He refuses of course because of being locked in with Solas....but I don't ever recall anywhere in conversation a "Start Romance With Solas" option happen.

 

Am I imagining this?

Ooooh!!! I had the same option pop up with Cullen, but I didn't think it was appropriate to start a romance (I would feel SUPER guilty).

 

I don't believe there is a "start romance" button. The "kiss" option in the Fade is blank without heart. Before that there is a "You care about me?" with a heart, but it doesn't say "begin romance." 

I wonder if it means anything or just a developer oversight.

We should demand to be unlocked! We never even agreed to this romance! It was so good though! <3 10/10 



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 You know, now that you mention it......do we actually ever click a "Start a romance with Solas" button. Because I was running around on my current playthrough which is after the break up but I haven't gone to fight Cory yet and I have a conversation option with Cullen that says "Start romance with Cullen" and I clicked it out of curiosity. He refuses of course because of being locked in with Solas....but I don't ever recall anywhere in conversation a "Start Romance With Solas" option happen.

 

Am I imagining this?

 

No, you are correct. He doesn't have the explicit 'start romance' option. Its just conversational things like choosing 'I'll risk it' after Haven seen and telling him you didn't forget the fade kiss on the balcony etc. There isn't a dedicated 'break up with Solas option' either, its again in conversation but there is a handy broken heart graphic next to those options.


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#103812
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No, you are correct. He doesn't have the explicit 'start romance' option. Its just conversational things like choosing 'I'll risk it' after Haven seen and telling him you didn't forget the fade kiss on the balcony etc. There isn't a dedicated 'break up with Solas option' either, its again in conversation but there is a handy broken heart graphic next to those options.

...I can't decide if that's good or bad. >_>

 

I mean....all the other options have the 'start romance' option right? Is Solas seriously the only romance where the player doesn't choose to lock the romance?

 

Yeah......I can't decide if that's good or bad......



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And another thing! I'm sure this has been said by many, but WTF the other romances have quite a few more scenes and stuff. :angry:

 

Screw asking for just a reunion scene! I'm angry now! I demand we get to play catch up so to speak!

 

Or I politely ask, whichever works better with Bioware.



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...I can't decide if that's good or bad. >_>

 

I mean....all the other options have the 'start romance' option right? Is Solas seriously the only romance where the player doesn't choose to lock the romance?

 

Yeah......I can't decide if that's good or bad......

He was at first considered not to be a romance option so it could be an oversight... or not?



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He was at first considered not to be a romance option so it could be an oversight... or not?

If it was an oversight...okay. But if not.....I'm not sure how I should feel about it. Like......that means Solas clicked "start romance" and then broke up without hitting the 'end romance' button.......that's just.....are NPCs allowed to do that?

 

I guess maybe Solas could break the rules.....I mean....Fen'Harel and all that.


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If it was an oversight...okay. But if not.....I'm not sure how I should feel about it. Like......that means Solas clicked "start romance" and then broke up without hitting the 'end romance' button.......that's just.....are NPCs allowed to do that?

I guess maybe Solas could break the rules.....I mean....Fen'Harel and all that.

It's really hard to know if we are locked in after the final fight and he says his parting words? Was there any romance options for other LIs in the DLC? I never played any Bioware DLC so I have no clue if they normally recognize and extend on the LI relationships.

Solas's last words felt like a big "good bye" from the developers. I'm optimistic that they'll change they're minds though because it's a good romance.

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On the breakup stuff: I suppose it depends on your Lavellan, as to how they react and deal with it. Mine just crumpled there and then on the spot.

 

For the most part my canon Lavellan is practical, diplomatic, treats most situations as hurdles than can be overcome through sitting down and talking about it, with a bit of underhand sneaky stuff if required, which works excellently as a Inquisitor. She's been a First for a very long time, is on the edge of taking over her clan, and so she's used to dealing with petty arguments between her hunters and local farmers. She's all business, and tends treats the world as a set of problems - nothing wrong with that, really, she loves her job and loves her clan, but it means she hasn't concerned herself with romance for a while. Solas is the first proper indulgence she's allowed herself in a long time. It's all magic, all dreams and romance in the fade, all things she doesn't usually have time for. So when she's told at this sweetest, loveliest, romantic moment, to harden her heart... eeek.

 

My Lavellan will work through it, as she always does, but she won't come away after the final battle without big mental scars.

 

 

On locking: I doubt it's an oversight. It's probably easier for the Keep mechanics to have one completed romance only. Even if 'complete' means heartbreak in this instance. Also, he breaks up with you very near the end of the game - nine times out of ten in real life, I doubt you'd get into a serious, invested romance in such a short amount of time. Unless the breakup was long time coming and you'd been close to someone else (neither of which are true in this case).



#103818
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Maybe Lavellan and Varric should just console each other with some rebound romance. They have plenty in common now.

I also think Lavellans are more likely to get over it than Solas is. She doesn't have all the regret, guilt and baggage. I believe he's suffering more at this point. She has friends and a future. He's bogged down in the past and alone. Post break up banter with Cole happens because Solas is mulling over the break up and not forgetting.

I worry more for him than her.

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It's really hard to know if we are locked in after the final fight and he says his parting words? Was there any romance options for other LIs in the DLC? I never played any Bioware DLC so I have no clue if they normally recognize and extend on the LI relationships.

Solas's last words felt like a big "good bye" from the developers. I'm optimistic that they'll change they're minds though because it's a good romance.

I think Laidlaw said he wanted to do more with ALL the romances post-game and in DLC.  Which is why I don't think we'll be seeing new party members beyond maybe like temporary aide.  They added stuff in Citadel for Mass Effect.  Then obviously in DA2 there was romance specific dialogue in both DLCS.  I think they may do more than just a few throw away lines - which is what Laidlaw seemed to indicate.  I don't think Solas' story is done. Far from it.  20 bucks you run into Solas inadvertantly.  The Inquisitor is investigating something weird and Solas is either the cause of it or part of it.  And it has nothing to do with romance and has everything to do with the fact that his story has been in the works for 6 years and it's not even close to finished.  The romance is just icing.


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I was writing a fic yesterday, but then the words left me and I got stuck.  My Lavellan took the break up very heard at first. She cried in her bed room for days and finally Dorian came in to comfort her. She no longer cared about sealing rifts, saving the world or defeating Coryfish. She just wanted to die. Dorian talked to her and told her to let all her sorrow and anger out at Cory and it would help her feel better, and that's what she did. It did help. She also thought that maybe once she defeated Cory that Solas would talk to her and maybe they could sort  things out. Atisha thought that Solas broke up with her because he was distracting her from being Inquisitor and from focusing on defeating Cory. Maybe with Cory dead, they could get back together.  But then Solas left. She went numb. No more tears came, she slept on the couch in the rotunda and looked at his paintings all night, only sleeping when she was too tired to keep her eyes open. During the day, she focused on doing Inquisitor stuff, keeping her mind busy always..never stopping. In the back of her mind, she knew somehow she would see Solas again. Maybe in the Fade, maybe he would come back, maybe he would send a letter or maybe she would just hear about him. Something was going to happen. He had left to do something important. She was waiting...


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I wanted to pop in, but I feel I have nothing constructive to add to the Solas break up discussion. :(

 

In other news, The Wold of Thedas 2 came in the mail yesterday and I did not expect it to be twice the size of WoT1. Holy crap.

 

:goes back to reading:


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At the end of the day, Lavellan has dealt with a ridiculous amount of nonsense. Honestly, she would probably take being told that Solas is Fen'Harel pretty well because what has she not dealt with at this point. Being told that you fell in love with one of your own gods and he dumped you because of some world altering plan he has would probably just seem like a normal day in the life for Lavellan.

*After Blackwall's revelation, Varric telling the Thaig location to Bianca, Morrigan's mother is Mythal...*

Solas: Inquisitor... there's somehing I've been meaning to tell you...
Lavellan: WHAT NOW!? YOU'RE GONNA TELL ME YOU'RE THE DREAD WOLF?! That's the only thing I'm yet to hear!!!
Solas: ...
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Just one piece of art to share this morning.

 

Bull and Solas bookmarks

http://shurashura.de...Solas-538488203


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#103824
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Night that is very sad, poor Atisha :'(

On the other hand, I think Dalish must be pretty used to dealing with hard stuff: they have no home, their culture is fading away, there are fewer and fewer clans each day... they probably handle feelings of loss and hopelessness better than any other race.
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#103825
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Maybe having Lavellan locked in in romance with Solas is just mechanically better for future-possible romance specific-hopefully dialogue?  :wub:  To make sure the game definitely knows that they were in relationship together... TBH, I have no clue how the games work and how the dialogue triggers, I am just waving all the optimistic hopeful flags here  :rolleyes:


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