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[Moirin]

Maybe the Well of Sorrows? Did she prefer you to drink or not drink? I don't remember.

 

Viv prefers the Inquisitor to drink the well, she doesn't trust Morrigan I guess.

[yetanothername]

Viv prefers the Inquisitor to drink the well, she doesn't trust Morrigan I guess.

 

If the Inquisitor doesn't drink (greatly disapprove), she does later bring up that Morrigan is likely to use her new gifts against you/them. I imagine, though, that another large part of it is more the taking it for yourself as a decisive sort of act of power than only not trusting Morrigan - being the one behind the wheel and taking everything you can get to help you climb up, etc. You're supposed to be a leader, a symbol, and all of that. I am reminded of her approving response when you tell her to mind her own business when she tries to offer you advice shortly after arriving in Skyhold, hehe.

[Cee]

Once I figured out that you didn't necessarily have to denounce all your pro-mage, free mage beliefs, being friends with Viv was easy. All you have to do is stay middle ground and not say polarizing things to her even if you might be pro mage freedom. Which, luckily for me, is totally in character for my Lavellan. Especially since she doesn't have much of a leg to stand on when it comes to Circle and Chantry issues.

 

I'm not into gaming the system just to earn approval or the lack of it, so I said a lot of pro-mage freedom things to her. The Dalish ideals are all about freedom in many ways, so that was completely in character, given how mages in most other areas are basically imprisoned by the Chantry and not allowed to live their lives the way they want to. Vivienne is privileged and condescending. She became some noble's mistress and it earned her freedoms and power many other mages simply do not have.

[RynJ]

I'm not into gaming the system just to earn approval or the lack of it, so I said a lot of pro-mage freedom things to her. The Dalish ideals are all about freedom in many ways, so that was completely in character, given how mages in most other areas are basically imprisoned by the Chantry and not allowed to live their lives the way they want to. Vivienne is privileged and condescending. She became some noble's mistress and it earned her freedoms and power many other mages simply do not have.

 

It depends on how you roleplay. That's just my experience and happened to be in character for my Lavellan, who likes getting along with everyone and won't always rock the boat despite not compromising on her beliefs.

 

Mostly I was just saying that it's possible to befriend her without agreeing with her, which I'm not sure some players know. In case people want that choice in the Keep but don't want to play a pro-Circle character.

[Illyria]

A blog in which someone answers asks in character as Solas:

 

http://varvhenesansolasan.tumblr.com/

[S.W.]

The Cole choice is incredibly difficult. I think we're instinctively wired to assume Cole works better as a human - we respond better to his coherent manner of speaking, to his more obvious nuanced, 'complex' emotional reaction to things as human, and deduce that's healthier and happier way of operating. I think that's an assumption that isn't well grounded. It's worth putting as an aside now: I'm autistic, and I speaks and react quite differently to most people, and I'm perfectly fine and happy with the way I am. What society considers to be more 'human' is grounded in... well, a fair bit of ableism, to be blunt. And thus I naturally hesitate to assume that siding with Varric is the better option, even if it's easier to engage with 'human' Cole for most of us.

 

It's worth pointing out that both arguments have their biases. Varric is a storyteller, who - he admits this much and it comes out in 'Well, ****' - struggles to deal with his own problems, and often turns his own life into a narrative arc to make sense out of it (he admits he does this much with his faith, even if he's joking). Cole may be a more interesting character as a human - more complex - but he might not be happier. Solas is an expert on the Fade - he knows his stuff, but ironically expects a number of certainties in the fade (despite stating that nothing is certain in the fade!), including that spirits cannot turn into humans. This may be proven wrong, of course. And also we know Solas seeks a certain amount of comfort in the machinations fade and may prefer that Cole retains that connection to it. The jury is also out when it comes to what makes Cole happier, and what makes Cole better at what he does.

 

Interestingly in both scenarios we see Cole talking about the same kind of action in his dialogue - in the human scenario, he mentions, for instance, about how he can no longer put honey in Leliana's tea. In the spirit scenario, he references it in his stream-of-conscioussness dialogue, but one wouldn't pick up that the mention of honey was in reference to that act. In short, what's affected is his ability and way of doing things - not his intentions, and not his actions. As a human Cole has to connect to things differently, but continues doing the same work in a different manner. As a spirit Cole is free of the shackles of this world (although this makes him quite otherworldly and people may find that off-puttingly alien), and thus can continue doing the same thing in a more magical, alien, spirit-like way.

[S.W.]

In terms of Viv - I know my I managed to keep on her good side second time around by avoiding the mage conversation, and I just pretended that my Lavellan First was tactful enough to avoid the conversation she would vehemently disagree with Viv on. I think my Lavellan is secretly really amused she's managed to win her approval despite that, and is happy to keep up the charade. 'sides, Vivienne is actually really sweet to you when she likes you (even if she's cold to everyone else).

[RynJ]

The Cole choice is incredibly difficult. I think we're instinctively wired to assume Cole works better as a human - we respond better to his coherent manner of speaking, to his more obvious nuanced, 'complex' emotional reaction to things as human, and deduce that's healthier and happier way of operating. I think that's an assumption that isn't well grounded. It's worth putting as an aside now: I'm autistic, and I speaks and react quite differently to most people, and I'm perfectly fine and happy with the way I am. What society considers to be more 'human' is grounded in... well, a fair bit of ableism, to be blunt. And thus I naturally hesitate to assume that siding with Varric is the better option, even if it's easier to engage with 'human' Cole for most of us.

 

It's worth pointing out that both arguments have their biases. Varric is a storyteller, who - he admits this much and it comes out in 'Well, ****' - struggles to deal with his own problems, and often turns his own life into a narrative arc to make sense out of it (he admits he does this much with his faith, even if he's joking). Cole may be a more interesting character as a human - more complex - but he might not be happier. Solas is an expert on the Fade - he knows his stuff, but ironically expects a number of certainties in the fade (despite stating that nothing is certain in the fade!), including that spirits cannot turn into humans. This may be proven wrong, of course. And also we know Solas seeks a certain amount of comfort in the machinations fade and may prefer that Cole retains that connection to it. The jury is also out when it comes to what makes Cole happier, and what makes Cole better at what he does.

 

Interestingly in both scenarios we see Cole talking about the same kind of action in his dialogue - in the human scenario, he mentions, for instance, about how he can no longer put honey in Leliana's tea. In the spirit scenario, he references it in his stream-of-conscioussness dialogue, but one wouldn't pick up that the mention of honey was in reference to that act. In short, what's affected is his ability and way of doing things - not his intentions, and not his actions. As a human Cole has to connect to things differently, but continues doing the same work in a different manner. As a spirit Cole is free of the shackles of this world (although this makes him quite otherworldly and people may find that off-puttingly alien), and thus can continue doing the same thing in a more magical, alien, spirit-like way.

 

I think people also get it in their heads that Cole can't feel or bond with their Inquisitor or others the same way or care about them if he's a spirit. But it's been shown time and time again that spirits can love and care for others and quite a bit. Justice is your friend, Solas' wisdom spirit friend clearly loves him, and heck even that Avvar girl whose spirit loved her and said it would stay with her if she wanted. And spirit Cole himself, who felt so strongly for real Cole that he reformed himself just to live another life for him. Like Solas says, a spirit is a person. Just not a person like a human, elf, dwarf or qunari.

 

I totally agree with everything you said too!

 

I personally always make Cole human only because I think it's a more interesting story to have him change himself that way. Otherwise I think both have equal merit and it always saddens me to see how it seems most people make it such a cut and dry, easy issue. Obviously Varric is in the right (leaving out that he knows pretty much nothing about spirits and has no idea what he could be asking of Cole). And Solas is accused of just wanting Cole to be a spirit because he's obsessed with spirits while I see nothing about Varric only wanting him to be human because that's what Varric is personally more comfortable with and thinks is superior. Hence the "he could have been human" disappointed line. In both cases the issue is probably more complex than that in their minds because both care about Cole. It just gets a bit tiring to only see one and not the other from a lot of the fandom.

[Cee]

I'm actually surprised, but in a good way, to see this discussion happening and these POVs. Because, to me, the Cole decision wasn't difficult at all. I have spirit Cole. That, to me, was and is his nature, and with all the discussions with Solas, especially, over the nature of spirits and how special a spirit of Compassion is, to have Cole emerge from all of that, it felt like siding with Varric was against Cole's real nature, IMO. So, while Varric, as usual, does care deeply, I just didn't see forcing this humanity upon Cole to be something good or kind. He's just so light and free and happy that I felt like that reinforced the choice for me.

 

It is bittersweet when he makes himself forget later, but as Solas demonstrated earlier, one can still be friends with spirits, even though it's not exactly like human friendships and there's a singular nature and odd quality to that for many.

[NightSymphony]

NSFW - Naked Solas

http://pre12.deviant...e56-d8vnyhl.jpg

Source - http://lucife56.devi...itled-536915289

 

and Lego Inquisition

http://chefugluk.dev...paper-539236489

[CapricornSun]

Art time.

 

Solas putting herbal balsam on Lavellan's feet. (Gets slightly sexy a bit.)

Spoiler

Source: http://osatokun.tumb...as-makes-herbal

 

 

And the aftermath. (Slightly NSFW but really sweet.)

 

Red-eyed Solas.

Spoiler

Source: http://princessalist...0/arooooooooooo

 

Solas and Vulpus Inculta from Fallout: New Vegas.

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Source: http://decertatio.tu...-over-by-canine

 

 

Dragon Age Humanoid Men. (Interesting title. xD)

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Source: http://manatobi.tumb...st/121343976328

 

 

Dragon Age's Male Elves. Cute!

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Source: http://manatobi.tumb.../day/2014/12/28

 

 

Pipe-Cleaner + Broody + Chuckles

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Source: http://manatobi.tumb.../day/2015/02/07

 

 

Solas butt! (NSFW) 

[CapricornSun]

NSFW - Naked Solas

http://pre12.deviant...e56-d8vnyhl.jpg

Source - http://lucife56.devi...itled-536915289

 

and Lego Inquisition

http://chefugluk.dev...paper-539236489

 

The LEGO one is really cute, but the naked Solas? Mmmmm....

 

Also, off-topic but I just found out last night (which is a few hours ago for most people here) that my Steam account got hacked. Currently trying to resolve the issue.

[NightSymphony]

Oh no   I hope it gets resolved soon and that you didn't lose anything.

[DarthEmpress]

I got a fancy hair mod so the first thing I do is take flycam shots of Solavellan...

 

 

Spoiler

 

 

Real dorks here.

 

 

I love how they look at each other here

 

 

I love how she tries to run away ahahaha~  She probably thinks he'd be mad that she gave him a surprise smooch but SURPRISE he wants moarrr 

 

[NightSymphony]

She's so pretty!!

 

Stupid consoles and your no mods. *pouts*

[CapricornSun]

Oh no   I hope it gets resolved soon and that you didn't lose anything.

 

Thanks. I was so upset last night.

 

 

I got a fancy hair mod so the first thing I do is take flycam shots of Solavellan...

 

 

Spoiler

 

 

Real dorks here.

 

 

I love how they look at each other here

 

 

I love how she tries to run away ahahaha~  She probably thinks he'd be mad that she gave him a surprise smooch but SURPRISE he wants moarrr 

 

 

She looks great! I really love these hair mods. 

 

*wishes I had a powerful PC to run DA:I and use mods*

[Cee]

I wish my PC were good enough to run it on ultra so I could use those mods. Or someone would mod lower mesh settings.

 

I love that hair mod and keep seeing it and I'm jealous.

 

Sunny - I hope your Steam stuff gets resolved soon. Sometimes Steam help can be...not helpful. But I really hope that it is in your case.

[MayriyaNoori]

I'm actually surprised, but in a good way, to see this discussion happening and these POVs. Because, to me, the Cole decision wasn't difficult at all. I have spirit Cole. That, to me, was and is his nature, and with all the discussions with Solas, especially, over the nature of spirits and how special a spirit of Compassion is, to have Cole emerge from all of that, it felt like siding with Varric was against Cole's real nature, IMO. So, while Varric, as usual, does care deeply, I just didn't see forcing this humanity upon Cole to be something good or kind. He's just so light and free and happy that I felt like that reinforced the choice for me.

 

It is bittersweet when he makes himself forget later, but as Solas demonstrated earlier, one can still be friends with spirits, even though it's not exactly like human friendships and there's a singular nature and odd quality to that for many.

This is pretty much how I feel. For me, it came down to the fact that Cole came into the world because he wanted to help, not because he wanted to become a human. I think maybe this is where Varric was kind of misunderstanding the situation?  He even said something about Cole wanting to be human......and I had not heard anything of the like so I was sitting there like "No, Cole said he wants to help." To let him become more human honestly had me worried that it would start him down some kind of demon path. It didn't.....but the idea was there and it bothered me.

[CapricornSun]

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Sunny - I hope your Steam stuff gets resolved soon. Sometimes Steam help can be...not helpful. But I really hope that it is in your case.

 

Thanks. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that this will all be resolved soon, though I hear that it can take from 4-6 weeks? Oh my... D:

 

EDIT: Top Solas.

 

I need something to cheer me up.

 

SOURCE

 

 

Ugh! You handsome bastard.

[RynJ]

This is pretty much how I feel. For me, it came down to the fact that Cole came into the world because he wanted to help, not because he wanted to become a human. I think maybe this is where Varric was kind of misunderstanding the situation?  He even said something about Cole wanting to be human......and I had not heard anything of the like so I was sitting there like "No, Cole said he wants to help." To let him become more human honestly had me worried that it would start him down some kind of demon path. It didn't.....but the idea was there and it bothered me.

 

Well, the choice was supposed to be spirit vs demon originally so maybe that is what initially happened! But yes, the main thing that bothers me about Varric's argument is both that and the fact that he has no idea what he's advising. He has no clue how Cole could take to trying to be more "human". Solas, with how much he knows spirits, probably has a much better one. There's even a slight hint that he may have seen it before, and possibly seen it fail before as well considering his hesitation. At the very least, he knows that it would be a very, very difficult path for a being that has never had complex human emotions that way before and shouldn't feel the need to change his nature because he's fine just as he is (though for how much they say spirits are simple and can't grow, I feel like we've seen them experience rather complex emotions before. Solas' Wisdom spirit and Justice in Awakening, for example).

 

And even the player after everything we've learned knows that spirits can become so easily corrupted (Cole himself went down a dark path before) and that a spirit trying to become a human could come with an enormous risk of just that.  It's easy to say in hindsight that Varric was so right if you think that human > spirit, since nothing ended up happening, but based on everything we've learned over the course of the game, there was a huge risk in telling Cole to make himself fully human. Honestly, his human transformation comes off as pretty fairy tale-ish even for Dragon Age. I like it, but I also couldn't even be mad if there were actual real consequences that came from making that choice. It would make sense, though I doubt it'll ever happen.

[CapricornSun]

I've been wondering if I should've made Cole more spirit instead of more human.   It's just one of those decisions I made just because I couldn't decide which one I felt was a better thing for him. I originally went with Spirit but then redid the quest and went with Human. Now I've been thinking over some things and have been feeling I should have made him more spirit.

 

I'm so confused. Though I think on my Hard Lavellan PT I made him more spirit if I remember correctly but I'm not sure. 

 

I don't know, but does anyone think this whole Spirit!Cole/Human!Cole thing might play an important part later in future? 

[Ramification]

Well, the choice was supposed to be spirit vs demon originally so maybe that is what initially happened! But yes, the main thing that bothers me about Varric's argument is both that and the fact that he has no idea what he's advising. He has no clue how Cole could take to trying to be more "human". Solas, with how much he knows spirits, probably has a much better one. There's even a slight hint that he may have seen it before, and possibly seen it fail before as well considering his hesitation. At the very least, he knows that it would be a very, very difficult path for a being that has never had complex human emotions that way before and shouldn't feel the need to change his nature because he's fine just as he is (though for how much they say spirits are simple and can't grow, I feel like we've seen them experience rather complex emotions before. Solas' Wisdom spirit and Justice in Awakening, for example).
 
And even the player after everything we've learned knows that spirits can become so easily corrupted (Cole himself went down a dark path before) and that a spirit trying to become a human could come with an enormous risk of just that.  It's easy to say in hindsight that Varric was so right if you thiqnk that human > spirit, since nothing ended up happening, but based on everything we've learned over the course of the game, there was a huge risk in telling Cole to make himself fully human. Honestly, his human transformation comes off as pretty fairy tale-ish even for Dragon Age. I like it, but I also couldn't even be mad if there were actual real consequences that came from making that choice. It would make sense, though I doubt it'll ever happen.

I really like this post. I was so torn on this decision. I sided with Solas on everything but this was the one time I went against his advice. I don't regret it but on my next play though I intend to keep Cole a spirit. After reflecting I did feel that my own values as a player were interfering with making a more objective choice. Varric is wonderful in this scene but Solas knows spirits and likely he's right. Although human Cole is so fun to take out to lunch!

[Cee]

Probably not. Weekes did say that there's no right or wrong choice here, so I think it's just more personal choice.

 

I might consider taking the human option on my mage just to try it, but I just feel the spirit choice makes so much more sense and feels 'right'.

 

But I also love everyone's thoughts on this stuff.

[Garnet]

Booo..I hope your steam account gets resolved soon. What can someone do to a steam account? :/ I guess change the password so you can't get in anymore... Ugh. Why are some people so cruel? (And why are the sweetest people always the ones to suffer for it?) I will never understand.

 

Here's a cute younger Solas for soothing purposes.

I was looking at that person's other Solas art. I recommend this course of action. 

 

Also, I am still torn with the Cole decision. Every time. I have played it twice with the different options and I can see the benefits and drawbacks of both. :/ I am so indecisive. I would make a horrible Inquisitor.

[Elessara]

Probably not. Weekes did say that there's no right or wrong choice here, so I think it's just more personal choice.

 

I might consider taking the human option on my mage just to try it, but I just feel the spirit choice makes so much more sense and feels 'right'.

 

But I also love everyone's thoughts on this stuff.

 

I've done both the human Cole and spirit Cole.  Human Cole seems confused (which is understandable) and he doesn't really know how to deal with being human (yet) but it is easier to understand him and to relate to him.  And the scene in Val Royeux he really seems to understand people better.  Spirit Cole seems less burdened and more at peace and the Val Royeux bit he's very happy that you let him be ... him.  Either way Cole is happy and not the least because he knows what he is now and he's not constantly hovering in between one or the other.

 

That said, I prefer spirit Cole.