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Booo..I hope your steam account gets resolved soon. What can someone do to a steam account? :/ I guess change the password so you can't get in anymore... Ugh. Why are some people so cruel? (And why are the sweetest people always the ones to suffer for it?) I will never understand. :(

 

Here's a cute younger Solas for soothing purposes.

 

Thanks. :crying:

 

Well for one thing, my sister checked my Steam profile and took a screenshot of the latest activity and the last game the hacker played on my account was DOTA 2. I don't even play DOTA 2!!!  :wacko:

 

*sigh* I want to cry... I guess this is what I get for not using or checking on my Steam for a few months.  :( (I was busy with other stuff and with DA:I on my PS3)



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I've done both the human Cole and spirit Cole.  Human Cole seems confused (which is understandable) and he doesn't really know how to deal with being human (yet) but it is easier to understand him and to relate to him.  And the scene in Val Royeux he really seems to understand people better.  Spirit Cole seems less burdened and more at peace and the Val Royeux bit he's very happy that you let him be ... him.  Either way Cole is happy and not the least because he knows what he is now and he's not constantly hovering in between one or the other.

 

That said, I prefer spirit Cole.

I also go Spirit Cole. When I was looking up other people's choices I see it seems a majority choose Human Cole. They can be very, erm, forceful in their belief that Human Cole = best Cole. I disagree, I think Cole is best being what he is and not tethered. Of course, Solas agrees! And that's one more plus to it. Though, I do dislike disappointing Varric. :<


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Probably not. Weekes did say that there's no right or wrong choice here, so I think it's just more personal choice.

 

I might consider taking the human option on my mage just to try it, but I just feel the spirit choice makes so much more sense and feels 'right'.

 

But I also love everyone's thoughts on this stuff.

 I like hearing everyone's thoughts on this also. And I like the fact that it remains in a good tone. I have a feeling somewhere out there in the internet this is some kind of hot topic that creates new tears in the Veil.


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I also go Spirit Cole. When I was looking up other people's choices I see it seems a majority choose Human Cole. They can be very, erm, forceful in their belief that Human Cole = best Cole. I disagree, I think Cole is best being what he is and not tethered. Of course, Solas agrees! And that's one more plus to it. Though, I do dislike disappointing Varric. :<

 

I think Varric's reaction to Spirit!Cole was the reason I redid the quest and chose Human!Cole (because I hate seeing Varric sad). Though of course now, I'm thinking I should have stuck with my original decision of Spirit!Cole.

 

I hate myself sometimes...  :mellow:


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I totally understand all the Spirit!Cole arguments in particular those that say he’s happier this way because that’s his true original nature, that we let him be « him » or that we shouldn’t alter his nature.

 

Although, the choice has also always been very clear to me and in my 4 PT I’ve chosen Spirit!Cole only once, just to see what is was like.

 

To me, Cole already made the decision himself when he became flesh in the first place. I feel I’m respecting his decision by letting him continue on this path. It is a very difficult path - as Solas says at some point - but also very rewarding if he gets to understand humans better in order to help them in better ways too (although he’ll have to be more imaginative as he can’t make them forget or act unseen anymore).

See, I’m a teacher (and a mother), and I’ve always thought we –teachers and parents too actually- should let our pupils/children improve by themselves -only helping them out when they need our knowledge and advice - to go further in the path they’ve chosen for themselves in accord with their own abilities/capacities…

I feel I’m doing just that by choosing Human!Cole

 

My other argument is that I’m kind of afraid he’d be likely to be bound again if I let him be more spirit. And Maker knows Cole is afraid of being bound… Just imagine he’d lose his amulet or if it got stolen or anything. That might be a trivial argument, but that worries me a lot ! And if he went back to the Fade, what could prevent him from being bound like Solas’ friend we « save » in his personal quest ?

 

I guess this choice in particular is one of the most personnal you have to take in the game…


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To me, Cole already made the decision himself when he became flesh in the first place. I feel I’m respecting his decision by letting him continue on this path. It is a very difficult path - as Solas says at some point - but also very rewarding if he gets to understand humans better in order to help them in better ways too (although he’ll have to be more imaginative as he can’t make them forget or act unseen anymore).

 

I was about to type out exactly this! I think it's all about respect, and I feel like I'm respecting Cole's choices more by keeping him human. And now...I'll just kinda repeat some of what you said because I got it into my head that I was going to type it all out...

 

The choice is tricky, and there is no right answer because Cole was on a journey, but didn't get to complete the journey himself. He was going along happily--the way he chose to be--until he became worried because of all the binding stuff. He was happy enough in his state of in-between being that his solution to the problem was to stay as he was and be bound to someone he trusted. He didn't want to become more like a human or more like a spirit--we have to impose our decision on him, so neither answer can actually be right.

 

Also, as was already pointed out, Cole doesn't change his nature. He still goes about helping people--he just does it differently depending on which form you encourage him towards. It's a superficial choice because we aren't changing his actual nature of compassion, but if FEELS like a really important one because we're making it for him and because we think what you are should change what you are. It kind of goes along with Solas' "spirits are people" conversation--if compassion is compassion, then it shouldn't matter how much his body is a body.

 

As for my decision, Cole wasn't just a spirit before. He was unique and he was changing by force of his own will--I think that's where the idea that he wants to be human comes from (that's where I thought Varric got the idea from anyway). Cole made himself that way. It felt right to him, so the human choice seemed (to me) just as natural for him as the spirit choice would be. He went with the form of Cole because it was important to him. I didn't like how easily he shed something that had been important to him after becoming more spirit, and I felt like I was undoing his personal progress and choices when I went with the spirit choice and more like I was respecting his journey when I went with the human choice. Cole deciding Cole was unimportant could just as easily be seen as another step in his progress, though. I felt like it was progress I forced him to make by making him a spirit, but it could be argued he moved on from Cole on his own and that it is evidence that he would have chosen the spirit choice had he made the decision himself.

 

So it had to do with all of that for me and not any sort of "comfort" gained because he was "more like me" as a human. I think spirit Cole is awesome, and I understand why people feel like they're respecting his true nature more when going with that choice, but that's why I tend to go human.

 

Also, I think it is a great opportunity to disagree with Solas. It's one of the few cases where the expertise of Solas doesn't really come into play since it is all about Cole as an individual, so our opinions are just as valid as Solas'. It makes me feel bold and happy because you have to concede almost all other points to him.


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As for my decision, Cole wasn't just a spirit before. He was unique and he was changing by force of his own will--I think that's where the idea that he wants to be human comes from (that's where I thought Varric got the idea from anyway). Cole made himself that way. It felt right to him, so the human choice seemed (to me) just as natural for him as the spirit choice would be. He went with the form of Cole because it was important to him. I didn't like how easily he shed something that had been important to him after becoming more spirit, and I felt like I was undoing his personal progress and choices when I went with the spirit choice and more like I was respecting his journey when I went with the human choice. Cole deciding Cole was unimportant could just as easily be seen as another step in his progress, though. I felt like it was progress I forced him to make by making him a spirit, but it could be argued he moved on from Cole on his own and that it is evidence that he would have chosen the spirit choice had he made the decision himself.


This. Exactly this. Tough isn't it? That's why I love Cole's character so much. He makes us think on such profound, personnal matters... He's incredibly well written.

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I swear if Bioware lead writer Patrick Weekes intend to use Solas as the new villain i will throw myself out of the window,Solas is not a Villain he is the Hero of the people, my favourite of the franchise
(i did not romance him).
So keep reading these section dedicated to Solas, Weekes,great characters do not deserve a sad ending,next Da4 I will gladly appreciate the possibility to side with Solas and his cause.


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Art again. :)

 

Lavellan and young Fen'Harel.

 

"You saw more than most."

 

Elf Bedtime: Solas. (So cute!)

 

Rocker Solas and Blackwall. :lol:

 

Sera and Solas.


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This. Exactly this. Tough isn't it? That's why I love Cole's character so much. He makes us think on such profound, personnal matters... He's incredibly well written.

 

That's why I think it's a great moment too! And also why the fandom seriously frustrated me in this matter. From what I've seen it's spirit Cole-neutral and Solas-neutral at best. Whenever I've seen something about Solas being bad to Cole because he didn't want him to be human like Varric does, it makes me want to facepalm. And again, I never see anything about Varric not really knowing spirits or pushing Cole into a path that could be super risky or disrespecting his initial nature that Cole in no way dislikes, since he's supposed to be somewhere between human and spirit and is just as happy as a spirit. It's always just Solas is bad. Gets old, you know?


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Captaincaranis posted some stuff today that I felt was necessary to share here.

 

Spoiler

 

That walk....


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.....Wow....

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.....Wow....

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I know right. It's almost s good as a full story DLC! lol

 

Does not count though, Bioware! Just sayin'.


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Well, the choice was supposed to be spirit vs demon originally so maybe that is what initially happened!

 

Just to clarify - pretty sure the demon option was something that they were thinking could happen if you allowed him to kill the Templar, like the being bound option was supposed to come up as a "neither" option if you didn't do his personal quest, where now he just refuses to go.

 

While I'm mainly just against any side that claims x or y is "the way it is supposed to be" because I think it was done well enough to show that the type of story changes without there being a right or a wrong path it takes... I'll also note just to beef up a little the opposition that Weekes said it initially seemed obvious to him that duh, this was a Pinocchio story, the spirit that wants to be the real boy, and being human was the 'goal' or happy ending. I don't say this because it is true of the end result, but because even though he backed off of initial impulses and realized that it wasn't, that both stories were right ones, with reasons and feels and all that, his initial thought wasn't "human path is demon" ;)

Just throwin' that out there. I did both and liked both versions. The human one was more rewarding, not intrinsically, but just because of the story it happened in and the particular Inquisitor it happened to.


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Just to clarify - pretty sure the demon option was something that they were thinking could happen if you allowed him to kill the Templar, like the being bound option was supposed to come up as a "neither" option if you didn't do his personal quest, where now he just refuses to go.

 

While I'm mainly just against any side that claims x or y is "the way it is supposed to be" because I think it was done well enough to show that the type of story changes without there being a right or a wrong path it takes... I'll also note just to beef up a little the opposition that Weekes said it initially seemed obvious to him that duh, this was a Pinocchio story, the spirit that wants to be the real boy, and being human was the 'goal' or happy ending. I don't say this because it is true of the end result, but because even though he backed off of initial impulses and realized that it wasn't, that both stories were right ones, with reasons and feels and all that, his initial thought wasn't "human path is demon" ;)

Just throwin' that out there. I did both and liked both versions. The human one was more rewarding, not intrinsically, but just because of the story it happened in and the particular Inquisitor it happened to.

 

It's not that I thought telling Cole to turn human made him a demon in the possible original incarnation of the quest. It's that I thought it might have initially been something like telling him to embrace the anger was letting him corrupt himself and become a demon and it turned into telling Cole to embrace and accept anger as a human emotion and use it to grow and not corrupt. The first wouldn't be that weird, considering we used to be able to play serious jerks.

 

Also, I understand why most people prefer the human path. I do too and apparently so did Weekes at first (though apparently his canon choice now is making Cole more spirit again). My issue isn't with that, it's with the idea that making Cole a spirit is wrong, less worthy, and that Solas is wrong and bad for even suggesting it. Most people seem to have a preference with this quest, but that attitude seriously irritates me and I see it a lot. I wish more people could see it like Weekes did.


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It would be pretty cool to be able to tell him to embrace the dark side, though it's hard to imagine Varric and Solas merely disapproving ...

 

Cool in the way of being able to play serious jerks, I mean. Thanks for clarifying.


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It would be pretty cool to be able to tell him to embrace the dark side, though it's hard to imagine Varric and Solas merely disapproving ...

 

Cool in the way of being able to play serious jerks, I mean. Thanks for clarifying.

 

And what if you could play it off like "oh, I thought it would make him more real!"

 

I kind of miss being able to play a horrible person.  :lol:  But yeah, I could see Varric hitting the road after that. And Solas sitting in the Inquisition still because he can't go but trying to keep himself from killing you in your sleep the whole time!

 

Edit: And my god, what if you killed the Wisdom spirit also? That Inquisitor would have to watch their back when Solas gets his power back. Yikes.


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Captaincaranis posted some stuff today that I felt was necessary to share here.

 

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That walk....

 

 

Oh.....my..... :blush: :wub:


 



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I think I may have to write something involving this ridiculous paint armor.


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I think I may have to write something involving this ridiculous paint armor.

 

I admit, I originally thought that it couldn't really be just paint.  It just looked like paint!  They wouldn't really make a set of armor that was half paint, right?  But yes, they did.


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I love how her looks at her in this scene ahhhhhhhhhhhh <3  It's just him completely holding back while she's all coy and cute like "come here bby lolol" and he's hesitating like "craaap i thought i decided to go through with this but hold on it's going to break her heart but wait i love her oh crap~"

 

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Mr. Weekes, I still want Wolf Hunt, but I would certainly be quite happy with a romance DLC featuring moar Solavellan scenes  :kissing:


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Captaincaranis posted some stuff today that I felt was necessary to share here.

 

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That walk....

And now I know what I wanna draw next... :wub:


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And what if you could play it off like "oh, I thought it would make him more real!"

 

I kind of miss being able to play a horrible person.  :lol:  But yeah, I could see Varric hitting the road after that. And Solas sitting in the Inquisition still because he can't go but trying to keep himself from killing you in your sleep the whole time!

 

Edit: And my god, what if you killed the Wisdom spirit also? That Inquisitor would have to watch their back when Solas gets his power back. Yikes.

 

I wish I could play as an evil character in Inquisition.  There are so many points in the game where being evil would make sense, but the option isn't given.

 

Captaincaranis posted some stuff today that I felt was necessary to share here.

 

Spoiler

 

That walk....

 

*sighs*

 

I guess I'm buying the overpriced armour pack.

 

Which then raises an important question: a team of Solas, Cassandra and Dorian, or Solas, Cassandra and Sera?


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EVERYONE should buy every pack that interests them if they can (funds permitting)! The more support they get from these side DLC things, the more amazing the story-critical DLC will be. That's a theory that makes sense, right? I do my part, anyway. I nab merch and DLC when I can. xD

But uhm. I suddenly have the desire to go play every single romance scene on ultra settings while Solas is wearing that armor.


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While I don't feel Solas fits with the body paint... I suddenly feel like making Lavellan wear it and very pointedly look in Solas' direction.


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