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[Cee]

Just finished coloring my Solas and Lavellan drawing. Hope you enjoy

 

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http://ninjapoupon.deviantart.com/

 

Adorable!
 

[MayriyaNoori]

So I was sitting watching a certain children's TV show with my daughter while working on learning to draw.

 

This happened.

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I don't know if I should be proud.....or recognize I have a problem.

[Uirebhiril]

So I was sitting watching a certain children's TV show with my daughter while working on learning to draw.

 

This happened.

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I don't know if I should be proud.....or recognize I have a problem.

 

Way too perfect.

[Cee]

So I was sitting watching a certain children's TV show with my daughter while working on learning to draw.

 

This happened.

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I don't know if I should be proud.....or recognize I have a problem.

 

omg the abundance of adorable art on here these couple of days. Love it.

[Cee]

More adorableness! Just found this on Reddit. There are 7 more pics over there. Under spoiler cut for size.

 

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http://www.reddit.co..._crochet_solas/

 

 

 

 

[Sah291]

On the subject of wolf imagery and Solas, I think it depends it on the type of imagery you using and the cultural basis it comes from. As the article that Sah291 posted, the whole alpha male thing is very off-base from actual wolf alpha male behavior. From what I have seen in regards to Solas and wolf imagery in Fics, it strikes me the imagery it comes from Grimm and other Western folklore bases. And wolves have a darkness to them in Western folklore, and it is somewhat sexualized. I mean you can do a whole sexual awakening read of Red Ridinghood.  This is why I want to look more into Native People's lore around wolves because Grimm/Western cultural interpretations of wolf imagery does not work for me when it comes to Solas, but since I don't know Native lore as well I can't point to any specific tales as of yet.

 

Well, here's the thing. The wolf in the Tower card is pretty dark and scary. So I can't totally say there wasn't any darker imagery or undertones intended at all. Certainly, the Dalish have painted a darker image with their own legends, which is probably something more in line with Grimm, I suppose. There's a sexual awakening reading of Red Ridinghood, but then again a sexual awakening is itself sometimes a metaphor for other things.

 

Think about Lavellan's character arc. A Dalish elf from a small clan living in the woods on the outskirts of human society, suddenly thrust into this position of power as the Herald, and having to cope with being introduced to an entirely new cultural perspective, learning the truth about her people, and learning how to survive the "game," etc...all in a relatively short period of time. There's definitely an "awakening" of sorts happening there. She meets Flemeth/Mythal, whose power at the end of the game is consumed by Solas, the Dread Wolf. So I do see where this imagery comes from. It's suggested there in the game. 

 

It's just that...as it turns out, maybe the whole "awakening" process isn't necessarily as scary or as horrible as it is imagined to be?  Solas is powerful and has a lot of knowledge, which makes him potentially dangerous, but he actually doesn't act that way or treat Lavellan that way. Point being, that power isn't about being an aggressive jerk to people, or forcing your will on others. And contrary to Merrill's story in DA2, he seems to quite appreciate both wisdom and kindness. 

 

Anyway, I hope I wasn't coming off as too nit picky or anything. I enjoy reading other fan interpretations, and it's interesting to see how we can come up with totally different takes. 

[Sable Rhapsody]

It's just that...as it turns out, maybe the whole "awakening" process isn't necessarily as scary or as horrible as it is imagined to be?  Solas is powerful and has a lot of knowledge, which makes him potentially dangerous, but he actually doesn't act that way or treat Lavellan that way. Point being, that power isn't about being an aggressive jerk to people, or forcing your will on others. And contrary to Merrill's story in DA2, he seems to quite appreciate both wisdom and kindness. 

 

So much this.  The Inquisitor can even take this idea to heart, and get to the end of DA:I without ever rendering lethal judgment, even showing mercy to bitter foes.  If quizzy can amass incredible power, and be a kind and compassionate person, why can't Solas?

 

A lot of our Western literary tropes lament the awakening, and see the transition from innocence to experience as a corruption, a recreation of the fall from Eden.  Sure, you can read the Solavellan story arc that way, and there's nothing wrong with that.  But you can also read it the opposite way where experience isn't corruption, but a necessary part of growing up.  And the pain that comes with experience is essential for real wisdom.

[Uirebhiril]

It's just that...as it turns out, maybe the whole "awakening" process isn't necessarily as scary or as horrible as it is imagined to be?  Solas is powerful and has a lot of knowledge, which makes him potentially dangerous, but he actually doesn't act that way or treat Lavellan that way. Point being, that power isn't about being an aggressive jerk to people, or forcing your will on others.

 

Well, he more or less comes right out and says that with his line about no true god needing to prove themselves. I would consider that his restraint is what ultimately gives him the power he has, and that doesn't involved displays of dominance or overt aggression. If he's suddenly that way in upcoming DLC or games, there'd better be a damn good lead-up to explain why. This is also why dominant dark wolf!Solas does not hit the mark for me. He has no reason to posture or dominate. Doing so reduces him to just another power-hungry attention seeker, and that's not the Solas we got to know.

 

But... I suppose anything is possible for the future.

[Sable Rhapsody]

This is also why dominant dark wolf!Solas does not hit the mark for me. He has no reason to posture or dominate. Doing so reduces him to just another power-hungry attention seeker, and that's not the Solas we got to know.

 

Oh, I think it's hot 

 

But I also realize that it's fanon, and it's only tenuously related to the character we got in-game.  Which is totes fine; I've been perverting canon since Harry Potter 

[Uirebhiril]

Oh, I think it's hot 

 

But I also realize that it's fanon, and it's only tenuously related to the character we got in-game.  Which is totes fine; I've been perverting canon since Harry Potter 

 

Oh don't get me wrong, I like the occasional dark fantasy too... I just prefer the character not be obliterated completely underneath it.

[Ramification]

Hmm. On one hand, I'm always inclined to be skeptical of leaks. On the other hand, a lot of the leaks that we got about DA:I before its announcement and ME:Andromeda were largely on the money. This one looks like a bit of a mashup of a bunch of unlinked plot ideas, though. It doesn't seem cohesive enough to be legit (for example, Jaws of Hakkon focused on the Avvar, Ameridan, and little else).

Can you guys please link the Leek you're referencing? Thanks!

[Uirebhiril]

Can you guys please link the Leek you're referencing? Thanks!

 

There's a discussion and information about it here: http://forum.bioware...454-dlc-survey/

[Gwyvian]

I'm actually surprised, but in a good way, to see this discussion happening and these POVs. Because, to me, the Cole decision wasn't difficult at all. I have spirit Cole. That, to me, was and is his nature, and with all the discussions with Solas, especially, over the nature of spirits and how special a spirit of Compassion is, to have Cole emerge from all of that, it felt like siding with Varric was against Cole's real nature, IMO. So, while Varric, as usual, does care deeply, I just didn't see forcing this humanity upon Cole to be something good or kind. He's just so light and free and happy that I felt like that reinforced the choice for me.

 

It is bittersweet when he makes himself forget later, but as Solas demonstrated earlier, one can still be friends with spirits, even though it's not exactly like human friendships and there's a singular nature and odd quality to that for many.

 

I hope I'm not dredging up a long finished topic while I try to catch up once more, but... I'm surprised how many people find it unnatural to help Cole return to his spirit form - to me it seems so self-evident that his natural state is that of a spirit, to change him into a human is like denying his original existence while forcibly pushing my need to anthropomorphize onto him, which benefits me more than it does him. Making him human in a world like Thedas does him no favors after all, regardless of what he thinks he might want (and as it's been said, I don't recall him ever saying he wants to be human - he took on that role out of necessity in fulfilling his spiritual compulsion to help). Plus, he has the mind of a child in some ways; would making him human change that? Or would we consign him to always being a peculiar young man who cannot develop beyond a certain point? His essence is that of a spirit of a particular virtue, compassion, and as other spirits, he is not inherently multifaceted as mortals are, which puts him at a huge disadvantage in life. I lean towards him being able to learn more about life and gaining more aspects, yet with that comes a lot of suffering as well. Mortals in general are beings of duality, he will never again have the "luxury" of evaluating the world merely on the abstract scale of compassion vs. cruelty, which defined his entire existence up until that point.

I can appreciate Varric's viewpoint, yet I do not agree with it. I believe in change and evolution, yet this seems like an artificial evolution to me - becoming more human because Cole has experienced so much of life and has new dynamics to his existence would be a natural evolution that has changed him irrevocably, no need to force the issue if that were true, yet all the while from what we actually see in him (or know of him) he does not change like that, he's more in a kind of limbo where he adjusts his existing balance to suit his new circumstance. He was always about compassion and that only changes in form, not in essence. Putting that aside, I tried looking at what would be best for Cole in general. He has powers as a spirit, he has an understanding of the world, of the minds of mortals and of the Fade and he has the freedom to not be burdened by the suffering he sees, he can help, which is what he always professes he wants. If he is human, we rob him of all of that and he becomes another person struggling to find a place in the world, a purpose, preferably one that he can live with (and considering his skills, that means a lot of killing) and he also has a long, arduous path ahead of him learning about the joys and horrors of human existence. To my mind, it is a mistake to assume that this is a good thing for everyone, that it offers him more than his natural state of being. I might see a lot of advantage in being human myself, but I have no idea how a spirit of the Fade could handle this, if it's even possible without crushing him, the core of his being, in the process. After all, feeling compassion is very difficult for humans a lot of the time. On the other hand if we help him become a spirit again, he will be a spirit with added experience who has a much better understanding of mortals, he has a connection still, yet he will be different and at home in both where he comes from and where he arrived. That sort of comfort in your history and your present is a powerful combination that can benefit both his existence and his ability to truly help people - so for me, as I said, it seems self-evident that the benefits of "letting him go" a bit and letting his true self blossom outweigh those he might ostensibly gain as a human.

 

Anyway, it's interesting to hear different viewpoints, I just wanted to add my own thoughts to this. And sorry if it's off-topic and really outdated... Still have lots of pages to go! 

[Gwyvian]

To be fair, DA:O had DLCs where you didn't play as your Warden: Leliana's Song and Darkspawn Chronicles.

 

So yeah, like dawnstonedagger said, depending on the DLC maybe you'll get to play as whoever got left in the Fade. Or whoever went to Weisshaupt. Or heck maybe you even play as Solas and see what he's up to after that ending. xD Or what if you play as Solas before the events of DA:I? Before the explosion of the Conclave? (My imagination is going wild with the possibilities.)

 

Ooo I really like these DLC concepts! 

[DarthEmpress]

I hope we aren't forced to "hate" Solas in future DLC.  Like, my Lavellan's upset, but I'd want to play her as understanding, still very hurt of course, but sympathetic to him and what he did.  Maybe she can't see him the same way ever again, but I'd want to have her show compassion.  I like that because it's the last thing he'd expect.  I think he expects her to hate him completely, or any Inquisitor to.

[Cee]

I hope we aren't forced to "hate" Solas in future DLC.  Like, my Lavellan's upset, but I'd want to play her as understanding, still very hurt of course, but sympathetic to him and what he did.  Maybe she can't see him the same way ever again, but I'd want to have her show compassion.  I like that because it's the last thing he'd expect.  I think he expects her to hate him completely, or any Inquisitor to.

 

This. Mine is a strong person but she's still hurt. Yet, she's more confused and even worried about him. The sad options were taken, even when Leliana said there was no trace of him. The line about 'maybe he had to do something. He could come back at any moment' said with concern...that's where she would be.

 

I think the actual truth would've been somewhat confusing and maybe there would've been some anger, but she would've been able to accept after everything she had seen and tell him, "Okay, well where to from here then?". But now, there's just no explanation, he said things would be made clear, she knew something was clearly up/there was more when the orb was broken. I hate that they left the "There's more, isn't there?" line abandoned with no followup possible.

 

Being left hanging by someone you love, no answers, nothing, that's rough. I've been there.

[Gwyvian]

 

This. Mine is a strong person but she's still hurt. Yet, she's more confused and even worried about him. The sad options were taken, even when Leliana said there was no trace of him. The line about 'maybe he had to do something. He could come back at any moment' said with concern...that's where she would be.

 

I think the actual truth would've been somewhat confusing and maybe there would've been some anger, but she would've been able to accept after everything she had seen and tell him, "Okay, well where to from here then?". But now, there's just no explanation, he said things would be made clear, she knew something was clearly up/there was more when the orb was broken. I hate that they left the "There's more, isn't there?" line abandoned with no followup possible.

 

Being left hanging by someone you love, no answers, nothing, that's rough. I've been there.

 

But it makes for such sweet angst!   Unbearable hollowness we keep pouring into, hoping to fill the unfillable, making us enjoy the wistful torment of longing which has inspired centuries of poets (myself among them) through which we touch the primordial well of sorrow that infuses all of history, and we are made to emerge with a new understanding of the deepest, darkest corners of existence, wherefore comes a quintessential wisdom of loss!

 

...and hopefully we're being primed for sweet fulfillment - which shall torment us even more for its perfection denied us in this plane of existence and...!!!

 

 

 

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Yeah, sorry about that. I'm getting melodramatic in my silent agony.

[S.W.]

Well, he more or less comes right out and says that with his line about no true god needing to prove themselves. I would consider that his restraint is what ultimately gives him the power he has, and that doesn't involved displays of dominance or overt aggression. If he's suddenly that way in upcoming DLC or games, there'd better be a damn good lead-up to explain why. This is also why dominant dark wolf!Solas does not hit the mark for me. He has no reason to posture or dominate. Doing so reduces him to just another power-hungry attention seeker, and that's not the Solas we got to know.

 

But... I suppose anything is possible for the future.

 

 

Well, here's the thing. The wolf in the Tower card is pretty dark and scary. So I can't totally say there wasn't any darker imagery or undertones intended at all. Certainly, the Dalish have painted a darker image with their own legends, which is probably something more in line with Grimm, I suppose. There's a sexual awakening reading of Red Ridinghood, but then again a sexual awakening is itself sometimes a metaphor for other things.

 

Think about Lavellan's character arc. A Dalish elf from a small clan living in the woods on the outskirts of human society, suddenly thrust into this position of power as the Herald, and having to cope with being introduced to an entirely new cultural perspective, learning the truth about her people, and learning how to survive the "game," etc...all in a relatively short period of time. There's definitely an "awakening" of sorts happening there. She meets Flemeth/Mythal, whose power at the end of the game is consumed by Solas, the Dread Wolf. So I do see where this imagery comes from. It's suggested there in the game. 

 

It's just that...as it turns out, maybe the whole "awakening" process isn't necessarily as scary or as horrible as it is imagined to be?  Solas is powerful and has a lot of knowledge, which makes him potentially dangerous, but he actually doesn't act that way or treat Lavellan that way. Point being, that power isn't about being an aggressive jerk to people, or forcing your will on others. And contrary to Merrill's story in DA2, he seems to quite appreciate both wisdom and kindness. 

 

Anyway, I hope I wasn't coming off as too nit picky or anything. I enjoy reading other fan interpretations, and it's interesting to see how we can come up with totally different takes. 

 

I hope I didn't accidentally imply there's no darkness in Solas' character. I think Solas has a lot of integrity and commitment to a goal - to a fault, possibly, to the point of being torn apart from it, and I think it's from that which the darker edges of his character will likely emerge (such as his "killing" of Flemythal). You can't spend your time traversing the fade alone for years with nothing but your thoughts of regret without that weighing on you in a negative way. I'm just skeptical of the more byronic interpretation fans have of him - yeah, I believe he's quietly very passionate and troubled and romantic but not in that way.

 

I mean, referring to kink specifically, I'm actually a bit of a fan of dom!Solas in the bedroom (it's super hot, not gonna lie) but if there's anything I've learnt about BDSM from real life experience is that showing dominant behaviour in the bedroom does not entail you being a controlling, manipulative, jealous arsehole. At all. And if someone postures as a controlling, manipulative, jealous arsehole under the label of 'dom' - run as fast as you can away. Personality and sexual preferences often don't align. I wish more people would write fic showing and acknowledging that, that you can stay true to Solas' character whilst also indulging in kinky stuff. If anything from his general demeanour should transfer to intimate scenes, it should be his confidence, his many, many years of experience, and his 'indominatable' sense of purpose

 

My own life experiences mean that I'm slightly critical of some ways kink is written - I know that puts me in the minority. At the same time, I don't mean to berate fans for writing what they want, or going OOC at times (that's cool, and sometimes leads to more interesting writing!), just I'll be really frank about what I don't like at the same time (and you don't have to agree with me!). That's how free speech works right?

[CapricornSun]

Interrupting a bit with some art. 

 

Solas and Lavellan artworks:

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"Scout to the north. Be their guide."

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Source: http://harellanart.t...-his-speech-his

 

You're supposed to be reading.

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Source: http://sweethearts-a...d-to-be-reading

 

 

Some art commissions done by sakom75.

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Source: http://sakom75.tumbl...st/120300180804

 

 

 

Source: http://sakom75.tumbl...st/121428629514

 

 

NSFW: Topless Solas and Lavellan.

 

Solas artworks.

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Hipster Solas.

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Source: http://contntlbreakf...y-hipster-trash

 

 

Young Fen'Harel.

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Source: http://eggsquisite-d...st/121749528147

 

Another young Fen'Harel art. 

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Source: http://eggsquisite-d...9755637/another

 

 

Solas portrait.

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Source: http://whispersfromt...787032400/solas

 

 

"My life is yours."

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Source: http://artcells.tumb...y-life-is-yours

 

 

EDIT: TOP again?

 

Here's a lovely Message Sent fanart by the amazing watercolorteas.

 

SOURCE

 

[Cee]

 

Uh, what?

[Gwyvian]

*snip* Personality and sexual preferences often don't align. I wish more people would write fic showing and acknowledging that, that you can stay true to Solas' character whilst also indulging in kinky stuff. If anything from his general demeanour should transfer to intimate scenes, it should be his confidence, his many, many years of experience, and his 'indominatable' sense of purpose

*snip*

 

Oh, oh! I do that!   Not in Solas fics, I haven't written a fanfic in years, but in general.   ...Need to focus on my novels, so no fic writing for me.   But I would do that if I did write a Solas fic. 

 

*continues lurking*

[CapricornSun]

 

Uh, what?

 

"One thing I don't get: Solas. He looks so much like Nicholas Cage. Maybe I'll understand when I play it."

 

^^^ I don't know why, but this made me laugh.

[Caddius]

"One thing I don't get: Solas. He looks so much like Nicholas Cage. Maybe I'll understand when I play it."

 

^^^ I don't know why, but this made me laugh.

I remember all the Nic Cage memes and jokes back when the first information came out.

Did anyone ever make a joke with Sera's bees and The Wicker-Man remake, I wonder? 

[lynroy]

Uh, what?

I didn't 'get' Solas until I played the game. He quickly became one of my favorite characters on my first playthrough.

[Barnzi88]

Lately I've been listening to The Corrs, and this one song 'Don't Say You Love Me' reminded me of how my Lavellan felt over the break up with Solas.

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