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[S.W.]

Not really that Solas-related, but I had a thought about the Rite of Tranquility today.

 

We know that in the ancient elvhen empire, people kept slaves. We also know that elves had a stronger connection to magic, and this ties to their immortality (it's probably sensible to assume that all elves had some magical ability of some point, before the fall of Arlathan).

 

I'm not exactly an expert (ha), but I believe forcing an entire class of people to submit peacefully to slavery is possible, but hardly easy. Spontaneous riots may occur, and end in massacre. People frequently try to escape. Sometimes, people try to organise full-blown uprisings, by groups which could feasibly fill a power vacuum. Even in societies where slavery is accepted as a norm, where people are born into it, and where masters attempt to limit their slaves autonomy as much as possible (e.g. keeping them illiterate), people still react violently to being enslaved (no duh).

 

I imagine slaves having magical ability will make quelling uprisings harder rather than easier - despite a master's attempt to keep slaves ignorant and unable to fight, they still have power at their fingertips. Slave riots could be incredibly destructive. So I wonder whether the Rite of Tranquillity was initially designed to keep elven slaves under control. Most Tranquil we have seen work assiduously and dutifully without hesitation. They follow who they're told to. They make excellent slaves and servants.

 

Furthermore, we know there's a method of breaking Tranquillity - summoning a spirit of faith. We know that this has been tried on mages, with erratic results (mages are overwhelmed by their emotions), but this is used to initiate Seekers without breaking them as people. This may have something to do with the faith the Seekers hold, or it may be to do with humans sloppy understanding of magic. Either way, I'm going to comfortably assume that in ancient times, the elves understood how this worked.

 

Therefore, I think it's quite possible that elven gods rewarded the best of their slaves by breaking their Tranquillity. Slaves, if they worship their masters assiduously enough, if they are loyal enough to their betters, if they submit at every moment to those above them, if they truly believe their masters were gods, may have their Tranquillity broken in reward, their emotions and willpower restored, as well as a few special powers. These slaves would likely make the best priests - who we know, have vallaslin, a mark of slavery as well as worship - as well as a loyal elite of warriors (given their special powers) etc. These favoured slaves serve as an example to those below them as how to behave, as well as giving them further motivation to submit to slavery.

 

If this was the case, then immortal elven slaves spent thousands of years in Tranquillity, praying and hoping for some divine providence to shine upon them some day. Like, that's ****** horrific. No wonder Solas attempted to break the damn system.

[Renmiri1]

Aww...Anders and the kitties!! 

 

 

 

Source: Anders thread

[Cee]

*innocent whistling*

 

 

 

Aww, Solas is just an egg. xD

 

With ears! It's adorable. And puppy!Cole.

[Illyria]

I was looking at the Anders picture again and realised it a m!Hawke kitty (you can see the 'beard')

 

IS THERE NO ESCAPING GARRET HAWKE EVEN IN KITTEN PICTURES?

 

INTERNEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET *shakes fist*

[Caddius]

I was looking at the Anders picture again and realised it a m!Hawke kitty (you can see the 'beard')

 

IS THERE NO ESCAPING GARRET HAWKE EVEN IN KITTEN PICTURES?

 

INTERNEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET *shakes fist*

Really? I see Lady Hawke more often.  Maybe if the different fan-artists we view join forces, we can get equal Hawke representation and bring the beard and the Destiny's Child to the people. 

Of course, this may have something to do with my own predilections and the popularity of FemHawke and Fenris...

[Illyria]

Oh creators, I killed the thread.

[Illyria]

Really? I see Lady Hawke more often.  Maybe if the different fan-artists we view join forces, we can get equal Hawke representation and bring the beard and the Destiny's Child to the people. 

Of course, this may have something to do with my own predilections and the popularity of FemHawke and Fenris...

 

Oh thank the creators, I didn't kill the thread.

 

And I alway see m!Hawke, and usually m!Hawke/Fenris (I made a post about this a few pages back.  It tends to be either!Hawke/Anders, m!Hawke/Fenris, and f!Hawke/Bela).

 

There's even been several confessions recently on DA Confessions about the popularity of Garrett and how some fans feel about it.

 

*grabs Caddius by the shoulders*

 

IF YOU KNOW WHERE THE F!HAWKE/FENRIS ARTS ARE LET ME KNOW.

[Illyria]

Solas!

 

Spoiler

http://limpstella.tu...the-worst-taste

[Caddius]

Oh thank the creators, I didn't kill the thread.

 

And I alway see m!Hawke, and usually m!Hawke/Fenris (I made a post about this a few pages back.  It tends to be either!Hawke/Anders, m!Hawke/Fenris, and f!Hawke/Bela).

 

There's even been several confessions recently on DA Confessions about the popularity of Garrett and how some fans feel about it.

 

*grabs Caddius by the shoulders*

 

IF YOU KNOW WHERE THE F!HAWKE/FENRIS ARTS ARE LET ME KNOW.

It's been awhile (and a few bookmark accidental wipes ) since I was really into the fan-art, however some of the people did direct me to good FemHawke Fenris fic.

https://www.fanficti...LoquaciousQuark

 

Warning, feels may ensue.

[Illyria]

It's been awhile (and a few bookmark accidental wipes ) since I was really into the fan-art, however some of the people did direct me to good FemHawke Fenris fic.

https://www.fanficti...LoquaciousQuark

Warning, feels may ensue.

 

Which one is it?  The author has written quite a few DA ones.

[Caddius]

Which one is it?  The author has written quite a few DA ones.

Uh, Keeping Warm, Given Respite, No Labor Like Love, and Quake are the ones I recall reading and enjoying.

If I was a dick and wanted to rip your heart out, I'd recommend Lacrimosa. *glowers at Whoever it was Sable (to keep things simple for my addled mind )*

[arelenriel]

 

 

I imagine slaves having magical ability will make quelling uprisings harder rather than easier - despite a master's attempt to keep slaves ignorant and unable to fight, they still have power at their fingertips. Slave riots could be incredibly destructive. So I wonder whether the Rite of Tranquillity was initially designed to keep elven slaves under control. Most Tranquil we have seen work assiduously and dutifully without hesitation. They follow who they're told to. They make excellent slaves and servants.

 

 

 

 

Or they had a way to suppress a slaves magical abilities without suppressing emotions or their connection to the Fade or a means of allowing slaves to only use magic that benefited their owners-- the Tranquil do not have emotions without emotions or desires they have no desire to reproduce and the only way that a slave based economy works is if the owners are not having to constantly bring in slaves from the outside (e.g. humans).. having babies perpetuates a slave based economy because babies=free slaves. It may well be they only suppressed the magic of those who caused problems .. while others kept their magic -- after all the Sentinels all have magic (thought strictly speaking they may not be slaves) and if everything in Elvhenan was magically operated rather than using technology slaves would need access to their magic to maintain and repair household items, homes etc. After all the Tranquil can only use enchanted items -- not things that are powered by spells or that require a spell to work-- at least from what has been indicated in the lore so far.

[Caddius]

Or they had a way to suppress a slaves magical abilities without suppressing emotions or their connection to the Fade or a means of allowing slaves to only use magic that benefited their owners-- the Tranquil do not have emotions without emotions or desires they have no desire to reproduce and the only way that a slave based economy works is if the owners are not having to constantly bring in slaves from the outside (e.g. humans).. having babies perpetuates a slave based economy because babies=free slaves. It may well be they only suppressed the magic of those who caused problems .. while others kept their magic -- after all the Sentinels all have magic (thought strictly speaking they may not be slaves) and if everything in Elvhenan was magically operated rather than using technology slaves would need access to their magic to maintain and repair household items, homes etc. After all the Tranquil can only use enchanted items -- not things that are powered by spells or that require a spell to work-- at least from what has been indicated in the lore so far.

Look I'm just saying.

The Chantry brands the symbol of Andraste and the Chantry into the Tranquil.

Arlathan slaves had the symbols of their gods on their faces, as did the servants/slaves of the Gods.

 

So what makes a losing battle where a handful of French Revolutionary infantry in stylish red coats die fighting a bunch of professionals in blue uniforms more bearable? Muting the NTW music and playing your copy of the Les Miserables soundtrack, of course! 

(I'm cool.  )

[Niamaduir]

Not really that Solas-related, but I had a thought about the Rite of Tranquility today.

 

We know that in the ancient elvhen empire, people kept slaves. We also know that elves had a stronger connection to magic, and this ties to their immortality (it's probably sensible to assume that all elves had some magical ability of some point, before the fall of Arlathan).

 

I'm not exactly an expert (ha), but I believe forcing an entire class of people to submit peacefully to slavery is possible, but hardly easy. Spontaneous riots may occur, and end in massacre. People frequently try to escape. Sometimes, people try to organise full-blown uprisings, by groups which could feasibly fill a power vacuum. Even in societies where slavery is accepted as a norm, where people are born into it, and where masters attempt to limit their slaves autonomy as much as possible (e.g. keeping them illiterate), people still react violently to being enslaved (no duh).

 

I imagine slaves having magical ability will make quelling uprisings harder rather than easier - despite a master's attempt to keep slaves ignorant and unable to fight, they still have power at their fingertips. Slave riots could be incredibly destructive. So I wonder whether the Rite of Tranquillity was initially designed to keep elven slaves under control. Most Tranquil we have seen work assiduously and dutifully without hesitation. They follow who they're told to. They make excellent slaves and servants.

 

Furthermore, we know there's a method of breaking Tranquillity - summoning a spirit of faith. We know that this has been tried on mages, with erratic results (mages are overwhelmed by their emotions), but this is used to initiate Seekers without breaking them as people. This may have something to do with the faith the Seekers hold, or it may be to do with humans sloppy understanding of magic. Either way, I'm going to comfortably assume that in ancient times, the elves understood how this worked.

 

Therefore, I think it's quite possible that elven gods rewarded the best of their slaves by breaking their Tranquillity. Slaves, if they worship their masters assiduously enough, if they are loyal enough to their betters, if they submit at every moment to those above them, if they truly believe their masters were gods, may have their Tranquillity broken in reward, their emotions and willpower restored, as well as a few special powers. These slaves would likely make the best priests - who we know, have vallaslin, a mark of slavery as well as worship - as well as a loyal elite of warriors (given their special powers) etc. These favoured slaves serve as an example to those below them as how to behave, as well as giving them further motivation to submit to slavery.

 

If this was the case, then immortal elven slaves spent thousands of years in Tranquillity, praying and hoping for some divine providence to shine upon them some day. Like, that's ****** horrific. No wonder Solas attempted to break the damn system.

 

That is an interesting line of thought, which makes a lot of sense. Solas neither confirms or denies the idea that ALL elves were immortal and could use magic. He merely responds to the Heralds questions about ancient elves. The Herald also would never think to ask if all elves were immortal and could use magic because it is part of the accepted lore. We have, however, been thrown the curveball that not everything we know about the Creators and Arlathan is necessarily true. It could be that not all elves were immortal, but they did have greatly enhanced lifespans that would appear immortal to an outsiders' perspective. It could also be that not all elves had the same level of magic and that the level magical ability varied between elves in a similar to the way it does within humans. Heck, (and this is total tin foil hat here) the mere fact that humans are able to utilize magic and were able to understand what the Old Gods were talking about may be a side effect of how the Veil was created in the first place. But you raise an interesting point that I don't think I've seen addressed in this fashion before. How would a slave-based culture work in a society where all the citizen are capable of using magic? Do we ever hear Solas' take on the right of Tranquility? Is there a line of banter somewhere?

[Cee]

When you find the shed in Redcliffe with the oculara, he calls it a "tragic waste".

 

There's also things like this:

 

• Cassandra: Solas, did you ever considered reforming the Circle from within? You have both knowledge and wisdom. You could have made the difference.
• Solas: I admire your optimism, but ask yourself honestly how the templars would have reacted.
• Cassandra: You fear that they would have made you tranquil.
• Solas: There is no doubt in my mind. My studies threaten established ideas. I would never have been tolerated.
• Cassandra: I suppose you are right. Repairing the damage done will take great effort.
• Solas: Would there be more like you, Seeker.

 

He'll greatly disapprove if you make any mage prisoners Tranquil.

 

And a lot of his talk about freedom and choice supports freedom of thought. Just look at what he can say to Iron Bull if you side with the Qun.

[Niamaduir]

When you find the shed in Redcliffe with the oculara, he calls it a "tragic waste".

 

There's also things like this:

 

• Cassandra: Solas, did you ever considered reforming the Circle from within? You have both knowledge and wisdom. You could have made the difference.
• Solas: I admire your optimism, but ask yourself honestly how the templars would have reacted.
• Cassandra: You fear that they would have made you tranquil.
• Solas: There is no doubt in my mind. My studies threaten established ideas. I would never have been tolerated.
• Cassandra: I suppose you are right. Repairing the damage done will take great effort.
• Solas: Would there be more like you, Seeker.

 

He'll greatly disapprove if you make any mage prisoners Tranquil.

 

And a lot of his talk about freedom and choice supports freedom of thought. Just look at what he can say to Iron Bull if you side with the Qun.

 

Hmmm, for me, all of this just serves to confirm that he really dislikes the practice and that he strongly values free will. We know that slavery was practiced in Ancient Elvhenan, but not the logistics of it. But there is no insight here into if the right of Tranquility was practiced during the time of Arlathan or not, and if Solas has any more insight into the practice than we do through codexs and in-game discoveries. 

[Cee]

So, I've been wondering about this for a while, and I'm sure it has come up somewhere before, but probably before my frequenting this place again.

 

The statue and the inscription at the center of the Solasan temple, once you fully unlock it with all the shards: http://dragonage.wik..._Prideful_Place

 

 

A stone tablet "Inscription in the Oasis Temple" grants 150 XP if you interact with it though it does not grant a codex.

The inscription reads:

 Faintly carved into the stone is a figure bound in chains. Two other figures have turned their gaze from the central image.

The script below the image is ancient, though Solas is able to provide a partial translation:

Pride in our accomplishments and in our hearts. That same pride became (a word meaning corrupted or altered) within him, he sought to claim (indecipherable), cast from favor and so he was bound.

Hidden from mortal eyes, death lies within.

 

Solas can provide a "partial translation" (partial, uh huh, what are you leaving out, Vhenan?). Are there any theories on what this is or who it depicts?

[Solas]

my current theory is that solas will only return when we come upon him on a random asteroid mining base halfway through mass effect: andromeda

[Uirebhiril]

my current theory is that solas will only return when we come upon him on a random asteroid mining base halfway through mass effect: andromeda

 

Solas would totally rock Mass Effect armor.

[S.W.]

my current theory is that solas will only return when we come upon him on a random asteroid mining base halfway through mass effect: andromeda

 

if it's anything as brilliant as that codex entry in the deep roads in DA:O I would buy ME:A no joke.

[MayriyaNoori]

Mmmm.....if all elves were essentially mages in Arlathan times, I would imagine that all higher ups had means to control them even if it wasn't something like Tranquility.  I don't think it would be any stretch at all that the higher ups used magical bindings on slaves. Could be as extreme as something like the Magister in the Shrine of Dumat...or maybe even as simple as pretty enchanted jewelry. Even the vallaslin alone could have been enough.

 

I would imagine something like Tranquility would be an extreme punishment over a means of control. A slave's magical abilities were probably used as part of everyday life and to make a slave Tranquil in a society were magic is as everyday as breathing would make that individual really useless, except for just purely physical task. Or, maybe something like Tranquility was used to just easily force a mass amount of slaves to perform some kind of blood spell ritual or something where massive amounts of sacrifices needed to be made. It makes me think of those elvish murals....specifically the one with drone zombie like elves with a yellow orb above there head. Maybe they had been made tranquil?

 

I would also imagine that any kind of Tranquility back then must have been different because the Fade was so connected to the world. I don't know that you would actually be able to make someone fully severed from the Fade or not. And if you could....I would imagine that in such a world it would create something that would be even more extreme than the Tranquil we see in current Thedas...if that makes sense. Almost like you would create an individual closer to something like darkspawn than a current day Tranquil. Like, a tranquil ancient elf would become a literally mindless creature that could be control by whoever their master was. Through a "Calling" of sorts.

 

And to bring it all back to Solas, there seems to be plenty of evidence in game that he hates Tranquility. He will greatly disapprove if you have it done to mages. There is also a party banter that points to the fact that he may actually understand the process of reversing it. I can't find it, but I'm pretty sure there is a banter between Solas and Cassandra where he mentions how difficult it is to summon a spirit of faith. And a spirit of faith is what it takes to bring a Seeker out of tranquility. Just makes me wonder if Solas knew that bring a spirit of faith is the best was to cure Tranquility...because i don't think it has to be a spirit of Faith to reverse it. Just being near a spirit of Justice brought the mage Karl in DA2 out of Tranquility for a short time. However, for whatever reason, solas seems to know how difficult it is to summon one.

 

Ooooo, what if our dear Rebel Wolf was made Tranquil back in the day and he reversed it himself by summoning a spirit of faith? That would be awesome. Doubt it happened.....but if it did, just gives Solas that much more awesome.

 

I'm thinking that he more likely helped elves made Tranquil is the likely explanation.

[MayriyaNoori]

Solas would totally rock Mass Effect armor.

I'm pretty sure Solas could rock a burlap sack.

 

...just sayin'. =)

[Solas]

was legit about to say he's the only man i know who can rock anything from a burlap sack or royal flowin courty forest lord getup hahaha

[Cee]

was legit about to say he's the only man i know who can rock anything from a burlap sack or royal flowin courty forest lord getup hahaha

 

 

Avvar mud paint. It's all about the Avvar mud paint now.

[Alyka]

Mmmm.....if all elves were essentially mages in Arlathan times, I would imagine that all higher ups had means to control them even if it wasn't something like Tranquility.  I don't think it would be any stretch at all that the higher ups used magical bindings on slaves. Could be as extreme as something like the Magister in the Shrine of Dumat...or maybe even as simple as pretty enchanted jewelry. Even the vallaslin alone could have been enough.

 

I would imagine something like Tranquility would be an extreme punishment over a means of control. A slave's magical abilities were probably used as part of everyday life and to make a slave Tranquil in a society were magic is as everyday as breathing would make that individual really useless, except for just purely physical task. Or, maybe something like Tranquility was used to just easily force a mass amount of slaves to perform some kind of blood spell ritual or something where massive amounts of sacrifices needed to be made. It makes me think of those elvish murals....specifically the one with drone zombie like elves with a yellow orb above there head. Maybe they had been made tranquil?

 

I would also imagine that any kind of Tranquility back then must have been different because the Fade was so connected to the world. I don't know that you would actually be able to make someone fully severed from the Fade or not. And if you could....I would imagine that in such a world it would create something that would be even more extreme than the Tranquil we see in current Thedas...if that makes sense. Almost like you would create an individual closer to something like darkspawn than a current day Tranquil. Like, a tranquil ancient elf would become a literally mindless creature that could be control by whoever their master was. Through a "Calling" of sorts.

 

And to bring it all back to Solas, there seems to be plenty of evidence in game that he hates Tranquility. He will greatly disapprove if you have it done to mages. There is also a party banter that points to the fact that he may actually understand the process of reversing it. I can't find it, but I'm pretty sure there is a banter between Solas and Cassandra where he mentions how difficult it is to summon a spirit of faith. And a spirit of faith is what it takes to bring a Seeker out of tranquility. Just makes me wonder if Solas knew that bring a spirit of faith is the best was to cure Tranquility...because i don't think it has to be a spirit of Faith to reverse it. Just being near a spirit of Justice brought the mage Karl in DA2 out of Tranquility for a short time. However, for whatever reason, solas seems to know how difficult it is to summon one.

 

Ooooo, what if our dear Rebel Wolf was made Tranquil back in the day and he reversed it himself by summoning a spirit of faith? That would be awesome. Doubt it happened.....but if it did, just gives Solas that much more awesome.

 

I'm thinking that he more likely helped elves made Tranquil is the likely explanation.

If you've read Asunder

Spoiler

Pharamond states that Tranquils become invisible to spirits but not immune. The spirits need to be lured to cross the gap between the Fade and reality. He wound up luring a demon by letting it try to possess him. He thought the trying part was enough to restore his own connection to the Fade. And then he wound up getting possessed in the process. So that is another way albeit risky.

I just had a crazy theory;

Maybe Solas was a Tranquil slave of another "God". This might explain the scar on his forehead! And then Fen'Harel befriended Solas, took pity on him, and decided to reverse the Rite. In doing so, Fen'Harel might have somehow passed his soul/godhood onto Solas?