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[CapricornSun]

With the caveat that it should also be possible to disagree with Solas or even sabotage/oppose him, like Morrigan in Witch Hunt.

 

One of the complaints I heard about ME (especially ME3) was how the game just assumed that Shepard was close with Liara and Garrus.  I happen to really love both those characters, so it wasn't a problem for me.  But for the people who didn't particularly like those characters or want them around, the game's assumption of friendship was really jarring.  

 

This was my problem with Liara. It felt like Bioware was just pushing for her to be my Shepard's LI when my Shepard was not interested in her at all!   And I'm personally not even fond of her. (Sorry to all Liara fans here, but there are other characters in my squad that I like much better.)

[Illyria]

Oh yeah, that.  I guess future underwear doubles as swimwear  Of the two new characters, I preferred Steve Cortez's character arc and romance.

 

@Shallow waters: quick cheat sheet of who's romanceable by whom, in which games:

 

ME1:

-FemShep: Kaidan, Liara

-ManShep: Ashley, Liara

 

ME2:

-FemShep: Garrus, Thane, Jacob, Kelly Chambers (not a full romance).  You can also continue the relationship with the ME1 LI, but they're not a squaddie.

-ManShep: Tali, Miranda, Jack, Kelly Chambers (not a full romance). You can also continue the relationship with the ME1 LI, but they're not a squaddie.

 

ME3:

So here's where it gets messy.  You can continue a relationship, or break it off/have it broken off and start a new relationship.  Be warned that Jacob, Thane, and Kelly Chambers' relationships are not considered full romances for ME3, though you can at least continue Kelly's.  So, with that in mind:

-FemShep: Can continue Garrus, Kelly, Kaidan, and Liara's relationships.  Can initiate a new relationship with Kaidan, Liara, Samantha Traynor, or Diana Allers (not a full romance).

-ManShep: Can continue Liara, Ash, Kelly, Miranda, Jack, and Tali's relationships.  Can initiate a new relationship with Liara, Ash, Kaidan, Steve Cortez, or Diana Allers (not a full romance).

 

Hopefully that wasn't too much.  You can flirt with other characters besides these, but nothing comes of it.  Fellow ME players, lemme know if I've missed anyone.

 

 

A grumpy Prothean who puts Javik to shame.  And accidentally contributed to their demise 

 

Kelly's romance is a full romance in ME3.  It grants the achievement, which Thane's doesn't.

 

And agreed - Solas would be a Prothean.

 

To also be more on topic, Lair of the Shadow Broker would be a wonderful thing to use as inspiration for any Wolf Hunt type content. Solas needs your help/power. Solas returns. Work with Solas, make out with Solas, solve things, take on powerful enemies.

 

Having a LotSB style DLC for Solas is my dream.  It would be amazing.

[Illyria]

This was my problem with Liara. It felt like Bioware was just pushing for her to be my Shepard's LI when my Shepard was not interested in her at all! And I'm not even fond of her. (Sorry to all Liara fans here. I just prefer other characters.)

 

Fite me IRL, Sunnie.

[CapricornSun]

Fite me IRL, Sunnie.

 

[Illyria]

 

HOW DID YOU GET THAT FOOTAGE OF MY LAST FIGHT?

[RynJ]

This was my problem with Liara. It felt like Bioware was just pushing for her to be my Shepard's LI when my Shepard was not interested in her at all!   And I'm personally not even fond of her. (Sorry to all Liara fans here, but there are other characters in my squad that I like much better.)

 

I think I said this earlier on here. I was fine with Liara but it was incredibly obvious that she was the "canon" romance and they pushed her on us big time as a friend even if you weren't romancing her. They reeeeeally wanted us to like Liara.   Garrus was similar but he didn't seem quite as in our face, at least until ME3 rolled along to some extent. I romanced him, but only BECAUSE THEY MADE JOKER ROMANCE EDI AND NOT SHEPARD!!! *Ahem* excuse me, I'm still a little sore about that one.

 

I have a habit of having the characters that were clearly built for us to like and have basically automatic friendship that they convey to you as my least favorites in a cast.

 

Which is why Dorian is my least favorite in DAI. I know, blasphemy. I still like him, though. I don't think I've ever full on disliked a BioWare character.

[Cee]

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This is definitely part of it (though interestingly enough, I didn't have the same reaction to DA2 as others did). The fact that Shepard is expected to do this, and alone!?!?!, just felt forced. Much cheaper way to go, obviously - no need to bring back a bunch of VA's for said DLC - but when you have such experts like Thane, Kasumi, and Garrus, who are skilled in stealth missions and the like, it felt like some of my RP choices for my Shepards, were being removed. I most certainly had some Shepards who would have been the absolute WORST options to ask, for a "stealthy rescue mission"! Yet the DLC is telling me, that I am the best hope for it. Nope! Some of my Shepards would have been no better than the "team" Hacket sends in if you don't do the DLC, and in the end....IT DIDN'T MATTER. LOL! The results were pretty much the same. And the ending of the DLC, just feels like Hackett throwing Shepard under the bus. BAH! No like that DLC. (I could say some pretty colorful terms about the one who wrote this, along with those flatulent inducing comics.....but I will temper my language. ).

As for Solas in the ME Universe, he has the curiosity of a certain Salarian, the occasional superiority complex of a particular Prothean, but the heart and soul of one Drell.

Just my .02, on the matter.

 

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Granted, I've only played through the series once in full because it was emotionally draining and I needed mental distance afterward. I played them all back to back along with all the DLC woven in it over the course of a couple of months. I realized a couple of months ago that I reached a point where I can handle another.

 

Your response made me laugh since my Shepard was an infiltrator and stealth trained to the max, so it didn't seem odd in the least for her. But your points are valid. I know a lot of people who played through Omega also didn't like no choice in Aria and Nyreen as your only squadmates.

 

I really do appreciate the Solas and Javik comparisons. Both are amusing, a little grumpy, displaced, and have some dark things and waves of sadness in their stories.

[Sah291]

To also be more on topic, Lair of the Shadow Broker would be a wonderful thing to use as inspiration for any Wolf Hunt type content. Solas needs your help/power. Solas returns. Work with Solas, make out with Solas, solve things, take on powerful enemies.

Lol, now I have an image of Solas doing the whole walking away sad thing, "and now Cullen's calibrating more than just Skyhold's trebuchets!"

As far as ME characters go, he reminds me most of Javik, which I actually really liked as a character too. That whole memory shard scene with Shepard always gets me. I can also see a bit of Lavellan and Solas in the interaction between Javik and Liara.

[coldwetn0se]

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Granted, I've only played through the series once in full because it was emotionally draining and I needed mental distance afterward. I played them all back to back along with all the DLC woven in it over the course of a couple of months. I realized a couple of months ago that I reached a point where I can handle another.
 
Your response made me laugh since my Shepard was an infiltrator and stealth trained to the max, so it didn't seem odd in the least for her. But your points are valid. I know a lot of people who played through Omega also didn't like no choice in Aria and Nyreen as your only squadmates.
 

I really do appreciate the Solas and Javik comparisons. Both are amusing, a little grumpy, displaced, and have some dark things and waves of sadness in their stories.

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Granted, my favorite Shep was an Infiltrator as well, but she also became a raging drunk in ME3. I dubbed her PDS (Perpetually Drunk Shepard). So what was once a stealthy sharpshooter, became a "smell ya from a mile away/trip on air/inebriated gas-bag". (Had a blog of dialogues for her and the crew, back on the old BSN site Even cosplayed her for a fancy-dress party. lol! )

However, the Shepard I was playing when I purchased the DLC, was my salty Renegon Engineer, who preferred to blow things up. Yeah.... Shouldn't be anyone's first choice for a stealth mission. *sniff* Bad first impression, DLC. yup.

Hmmm....with the exception of age and a bit of smugness, I still see Solas as more of an amalgam (like I listed before). But then, we are rather limited on Prothean characters to compare him to. *shrug*

[Cee]

I think I said this earlier on here. I was fine with Liara but it was incredibly obvious that she was the "canon" romance and they pushed her on us big time as a friend even if you weren't romancing her. They reeeeeally wanted us to like Liara. 

Which is why Dorian is my least favorite in DAI. I know, blasphemy. I still like him, though. I don't think I've ever full on disliked a BioWare character.

 

 I see complaints about this and I did not get that feeling in the least while playing it. But I loved Liara from the start and related to her, so I can't say my perspective didn't affect this perception.

 

As far as full-on dislike, it's a first, but for me, that's Vivienne.

[BoscoBread]

I've been wondering..does the PS4 play PS2 and PS3 games?  The Xbox One is going to be able to play some popular 360 games soon but probably not regular XBox games. 

No. They say it's totally different architecture so the programming is different.  I would assume they may do something similar to Xbox though since now that gives them an edge.  The 360 was an incredibly prolific system - more so than the PS3 - so that'll give them an edge up.  Both machines are essentially the same - closed PC systems. There isn't anything inherently different in them save software and some parts. 

 

I would imagine they didn't add it because A. It is actually technically difficult B. Licensing/Money C. They want to push people to the new system and new, more expensive games.

[BoscoBread]

This was my problem with Liara. It felt like Bioware was just pushing for her to be my Shepard's LI when my Shepard was not interested in her at all!   And I'm personally not even fond of her. (Sorry to all Liara fans here, but there are other characters in my squad that I like much better.)

I actaully didn't appreciate Liara until the 3rd game and LotSB.  Like you I was kind of...meh about her.  Then, after ME3, with Javik and her entire world just falling apart...I bonded.  She was my Shepard's BFF. Her and EDI.  They were with me at the end.  I CRIED CRIED CRIED when we said goodbye.  Though if Legion were still alive at the end, it would have been Shepard, EDI, and Legion. Shepard was close to the AI's.  Those kind of friendships speak to me on a deep level.

[Qun00]

Solas seems to have a problem with religious remarks.

He disapproves if you say "I am a servant of the light" upon becoming Inquisitor.

At first I thought that maybe he just rolls his eyes at the former because he knows you're not divinely touched.

But then he also disapproved when I picked "Andraste forgives you" for Ser Ruth's judgment, so I'm not sure what this is about.

[BoscoBread]

Solas seems to have a problem with religious remarks.

He disapproves if you say "I am a servant of the light" upon becoming Inquisitor.

At first I thought that maybe he just rolls his eyes at the former because he knows you're not divinely touched.

But then he also disapproved when I picked "Andraste forgives you" for Ser Ruth's judgment, so I'm not sure what this is about.

I think that's two things -

 

1. He does not like people posing as God when he doesn't even really believe in them...not in the sense that you are claiming. 

2. He HATES the wardens and thinks what they were doing was stupid and should be punished and or exiled.  You are essentially letting her be free.  She comes forward regardless if you keep them or exile them(i believe).  He approves if you send her to the mines.

[coldwetn0se]

Solas seems to have a problem with religious remarks.

He disapproves if you say "I am a servant of the light" upon becoming Inquisitor.

At first I thought that maybe he just rolls his eyes at the former because he knows you're not divinely touched.

But then he also disapproved when I picked "Andraste forgives you" for Ser Ruth's judgment, so I'm not sure what this is about.

You are absolutely right. He does do that. The first one, he probably should have only rolled his eyes (or done nothing). The Ser Ruth thing though, I suspect that disapproval is primarily tied to what the "herald" now knows (after Adamant), that there was no Divine intervention, no divinity involved on being "chosen" - so to speak. So in this case, it is his disapproval of perpetuating such a stand. Whether right or wrong, it does seem very fitting for him to disapprove. Again, on the Ser Ruth bit.

Of course, I really don't have an issue if he disapproves on the former option either (during your Inquisitor induction). I can imagine a few reasons why he might, and if I am rping a devout Andrastian, I probably wouldn't give two bits on him "poo-pooing" that line.

[RynJ]

Solas seems to have a problem with religious remarks.

He disapproves if you say "I am a servant of the light" upon becoming Inquisitor.

At first I thought that maybe he just rolls his eyes at the former because he knows you're not divinely touched.

But then he also disapproved when I picked "Andraste forgives you" for Ser Ruth's judgment, so I'm not sure what this is about.

 

Solas dislikes any Inquisitor who accepts themselves as the real Herald on Andraste. Partly because he doesn't like people who portray themselves as godly when they're not, especially since he sees it as using people's faith to manipulate them. Partly because he knows you're not because he knows exactly what caused the mark. 

 

As for the Wardens, Solas just doesn't like them and I guess he thinks Ser Ruth deserves some kind of punishment for what she did. People get immediately defensive over Solas' dislike of Wardens but we really don't know what's behind his problem with them yet. I'm assuming he knows something. Maybe we'll find out later.

[Patchwork]

My biggest problem with Liara is that BW never seemed to make up their mind about her characterisation and in universe she handed Shepard's body over to Cerberus of all people and went on her merry way. Cerberus could have done anything they wanted, Miranda would have made Shepard a mindless puppet, but because Liara's a writer's pet you can't say anything about it and by ME3 she's Shepard's BFF.

 

And having the armour Shepard died in on display in her living room is never not going to be creepy.

 

...yeah I'm not a Liara fan.

 

I try to like all of BW companions but some just don't work for me. 

 

That said Shadowbroker is my favourite dlc after Citadel. 

[Suketchi]

I just ignore him, don't talk to him at all and don't do his quest. I don't feel bad about it at all. In fact..the rest of my companions don't really seem that upset about it either.

 

*evil snicker* I did the same with a lot of characters. I do Jacob's quest just for Mordin's dialogue though lol. 

 

Thanks for all the guidance on DLC, 'tis much appreciated   . I'm already regretting not just buying the deluxe editions of the games seperately instead of buying the cheap trilogy package but nooooo. (Yes, I've already bought it, and spent three hours playing ME1 already).

 

 

Yes please, would be much appreciated! (at least until I'm done...) So far, from browsing these forums, the most I know is:

 

1. That a companion has to die at some point in time

2. The ending of ME3 totally sucks according to some and lots of people got angry at it (I have a hunch 1 + 2 are related).

3. Garrus is a total babe

 

I'd rather leave it at that and discover the rest myself 

 

I stayed off the forums and everything for like a couple weeks or so when playing through Mass Effect to avoid spoilers, and I STILL managed to get spoiled XD A word of advice: never look up the characters on google (CURSE YOU, TOP 5 SEARCH TERMS). 

 

I am really looking forward to Andromeda..but I'm also sad because I don't know how I will play it. My computer sucks and I have an XBox 360. I need to start saving so I can upgrade. It's supposed to come out around Christmas next year right?  I have a year and a half to save. I'm just rambling..ignore me. :-P

 

Being stuck with an old system sucks, I feel your pain T-T I didn't get a PS3 until it had already been out for like 5 years or something. 

[Illyria]

My biggest problem with Liara is that BW never seemed to make up their mind about her characterisation and in universe she handed Shepard's body over to Cerberus of all people and went on her marry way. Cerberus could have done anything they wanted, Miranda would have made Shepard a mindless puppet, but because Liara's a writer's pet you can't say anything about it and by ME3 she's Shepard's BFF.

 

And having the armour Shepard died in on display in her living room is never not going to be creepy.

 

...yeah I'm not a Liara fan.

 

I try to like all of BW companions but some just don't work for me. 

 

That said Shadowbroker is my favourite dlc after Citadel. 

 

'You never got me anything for our aniversary'

'i gave your body to Cerberus so they could bring you back to life!  That's the best presant I could give!'

'... You do realise that Miranda wanted to put a control chip in me, right?  And that Cerberus killed my entire squad on Akuze?  And we the time we weren't fighting Geth we were killing whatever experiment Cerberus had let get out of hand?  And you just left?'

'Yup.'

'Worst. Girlfriend. Ever.  I'm gonna go see if Garrus is done calibrating.'

[Cee]

I stayed off the forums and everything for like a couple weeks or so when playing through Mass Effect to avoid spoilers, and I STILL managed to get spoiled XD A word of advice: never look up the characters on google (CURSE YOU, TOP 5 SEARCH TERMS). 

 

If you're trying to search Solas Dr(agon Age), one of the top result suggestions you will get is Solas Dread Wolf.

[Vorathrad]

One of the complaints I heard about ME (especially ME3) was how the game just assumed that Shepard was close with Liara and Garrus.  I happen to really love both those characters, so it wasn't a problem for me.  But for the people who didn't particularly like those characters or want them around, the game's assumption of friendship was really jarring.

This. I can't stand Liara (sorry Liara fans) and the way the game thrust her at me, telling me all the time how awesome Liara is and how much she cares for my Shepard and how very besties they are, it became VERY annoying.

RE: the ending I am one of the few people that found it beautiful, poetic and deeply emotional. I found the EC unnecessary and didn't like it. I can see why other people didn't like it but for me it was just perfect. I don't intend to annoy anyone by voicing his opinion, these are my genuine feelings about the ending and I'm writing them to show that some people did like it, even if we are a minority.

On topic, I'd love to see Javik and Solas have a drink together; it would be a fine "in my time" sentences competition

[Cee]

My biggest problem with Liara is that BW never seemed to make up their mind about her characterisation and in universe she handed Shepard's body over to Cerberus of all people and went on her merry way. Cerberus could have done anything they wanted, Miranda would have made Shepard a mindless puppet, but because Liara's a writer's pet you can't say anything about it and by ME3 she's Shepard's BFF.

 

Have you read the comics? Specifically: http://masseffect.wi...ect:_Redemption

 

For the sake of those who will be playing:

 

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Giving the body to Cerberus was a desperate move, but it was better than letting The Collectors claim it. She didn't just go on her way, as the games make clear. She had reservations about Cerberus, and about the resurrection, but there were multiple factors at work. So she went along with the idea of trying, in the end.

 

She became an information broker and got into some very dangerous situations because of the decisions she made, which were made on the chance that there was more that could be done. After the beginning of ME2, everyone BUT Liara gives up and goes their separate ways.

 

Liara's determination is one of my favorite traits of hers. And she and my Shepard were in love, so it was extra poignant.

 

When you talk to her in ME2, she talks about debts and danger. That's no coincidence. Although she might seem the most distant, since she is operating in another capacity now, she isn't. She's the one who remained steadily determined and devoted.

 

[MayriyaNoori]

Guys, a ray of flickering hope posted on the Twitter Thread

 

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Hrungr, on 14 Jun 2015 - 4:05 PM, said:

User

will you add new hairstyles on The Black Emporium?? my inquisitor need long hairstyles

 

Mike Laidlaw ‏@Mike_Laidlaw

Unlikely at this point.

 

User

np, as long as I still can see Solas

 

Mike Laidlaw ‏@Mike_Laidlaw

That's a pretty common request. We'll see what we can do.

 

It's a tiny flicker of hope, but it's there.

 

Needz DLC nao

[Sah291]

*shug* I liked Liara. She wasn't my canon LI choice... But I did notice how it seems like she always has feelings for Shepard whether you romance her or not. So the hinted/unrequited love triangle thing is just canon for my FemShep I guess. It generally doesn't bother me when characters are written to feel a particular way about the PC. I can understand the annoyance with Garrus though (even though he's my favorite), because much like Varric, it's implied to be mutual.

Anyway I hope Solas' story has a happier ending than Javik. I'm more afraid he might end up like Mordin. But I could see him pulling a Javik, like if you let him look at the memory shard.

[Patchwork]

Have you read the comics? Specifically: http://masseffect.wi...ect:_Redemption

 

For the sake of those who will be playing:

 

Spoiler

Giving the body to Cerberus was a desperate move, but it was better than letting The Collectors claim it. She didn't just go on her way, as the games make clear. She had reservations about Cerberus, and about the resurrection, but there were multiple factors at work. So she went along with the idea of trying, in the end.

 

She became an information broker and got into some very dangerous situations because of the decisions she made, which were made on the chance that there was more that could be done. After the beginning of ME2, everyone BUT Liara gives up and goes their separate ways.

 

Liara's determination is one of my favorite traits of hers. And she and my Shepard were in love, so it was extra poignant.

 

When you talk to her in ME2, she talks about debts and danger. That's no coincidence. Although she might seem the most distant, since she is operating in another capacity now, she isn't. She's the one who remained steadily determined and devoted.

 

 

Better would be incinerate the body so Shepard's corpse doesn't become a lab experiment, then someone's pawn, helpless and at the mercy of Cerberus's whims.

 

Liara giving the body to anyone and walking away as though she has no responsibility for what happens next is unforgivable.   

 

BW involving her in that plotline does Liara no favours and honestly it works just fine without her.