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[Sable Rhapsody]

Hi I'm Meg and Solas ruined my life! Hello! I assume most of us have that in common. 

 

It feels so awkward and out of place just jumping into this but help I've fallen (into Solas hell) and I can't get up

 

Welcome to the blanket fort

 

 

Don't be afraid of us!  We are warm and cuddly and happily splashing around in the Solas hellspiral of feels.

[Bellanaris]

Welcome to the blanket fort

 

Thank you! ^-^ I was linked here after I started posting incoherent nonsense about Solas on tumblr, and I only just worked up the nerve to post here. I appreciate the welcome!

[Garnet]

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I get very nervous about introducing myself to new people, and I don't even know if new people on this thread normally introduce themselves or whatever, so I'm just gonna wing it.

 

Hi I'm Meg and Solas ruined my life! Hello! I assume most of us have that in common. 

 

It feels so awkward and out of place just jumping into this but help I've fallen (into Solas hell) and I can't get up

 

 

I felt the same way! I still get nervous when I post stuff. Everyone here has been very sweet and welcoming, though. So welcome to the hellspiral! Have some frilly cakes and tea! 

[Patchwork]

I get very nervous about introducing myself to new people, and I don't even know if new people on this thread normally introduce themselves or whatever, so I'm just gonna wing it.

 

Hi I'm Meg and Solas ruined my life! Hello! I assume most of us have that in common. 

 

It feels so awkward and out of place just jumping into this but help I've fallen (into Solas hell) and I can't get up

 

Hi! Welcome to the thread.

 

 

Something I loved about Javik is that we were given hints that he was the Shepard of his time and if it all goes wrong Javik's past is going to be Shepard's future.

 

...And now despite never choosing it in the game I have Reject headcanons.  

[MayriyaNoori]

I get very nervous about introducing myself to new people, and I don't even know if new people on this thread normally introduce themselves or whatever, so I'm just gonna wing it.

 

Hi I'm Meg and Solas ruined my life! Hello! I assume most of us have that in common. 

 

It feels so awkward and out of place just jumping into this but help I've fallen (into Solas hell) and I can't get up

Oh heyz!

 

This is a happy place to be in Solas hell!

[MayriyaNoori]

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I felt the same way! I still get nervous when I post stuff. Everyone here has been very sweet and welcoming, though. So welcome to the hellspiral! Have some frilly cakes and tea! 

I wonder if there are Nutella filly cakes....

 

Mmmm......

[BoscoBread]

 

So much this.  Some of my favorite characters ever are no-kidding villains.  Jon Irenicus, for example, is possibly one of the worst pieces of work I've encountered in a video game.  He's still a fascinating character, and Baldur's Gate 2 would have been a much-diminished game without him.  While there is something to be said about the Draco in Leather Pants phenomenon in fandom, I think a lot of people who like BioWare's characters like them because of how very human their flaws are, without trying to excuse them.

I think I have this problem - Giton definitely had a hand it - but I am fan(usually) of the villains.  Solas isn't even a proper villain(not yet at least...one can only hope).  I don't think he ever will be.  Just a comlipicated mess of a person.  It's sort of funny - at least in my game world - my Lavellan is more level and optimistic especially after meeting Ameridan. 

[Illyria]

I get very nervous about introducing myself to new people, and I don't even know if new people on this thread normally introduce themselves or whatever, so I'm just gonna wing it.

 

Hi I'm Meg and Solas ruined my life! Hello! I assume most of us have that in common. 

 

It feels so awkward and out of place just jumping into this but help I've fallen (into Solas hell) and I can't get up

 

Hello!  Welcome!

 

*hands you a giant Team Optimism flag*

[Cee]

Sable, you linked to TVTropes. DON'T YOU KNOW HOW DANGEROUS THAT IS?

 

 

[Bellanaris]

Thank you all for the warm welcome ^-^ *waves flag enthusiastically* I really, really appreciate it.

 

And since I am trash, I'm going to do a shameless plug because I just created an AO3 and I'm writing a Solavellan thing. Check it out if you want. Or don't.

 

You all are so nice, wow. I like it here! Speaking of fics, if anyone's got any recs, I'd love them.

[Cee]

I get very nervous about introducing myself to new people, and I don't even know if new people on this thread normally introduce themselves or whatever, so I'm just gonna wing it.

 

Hi I'm Meg and Solas ruined my life! Hello! I assume most of us have that in common. 

 

It feels so awkward and out of place just jumping into this but help I've fallen (into Solas hell) and I can't get up

 

 

Yay, another one!

 

Welcome. This is a good place for blanket forts, optimism flags, the sharing of virtual cookies, and art. As well as actual discussions.

[MayriyaNoori]

Thank you all for the warm welcome ^-^ *waves flag enthusiastically* I really, really appreciate it.

 

And since I am trash, I'm going to do a shameless plug because I just created an AO3 and I'm writing a Solavellan thing. Check it out if you want. Or don't.

 

You all are so nice, wow. I like it here! Speaking of fics, if anyone's got any recs, I'd love them.

 Geeky-jez. Her writing is great and I love the way she writes Solas.

[Illyria]

Thank you all for the warm welcome ^-^ *waves flag enthusiastically* I really, really appreciate it.

 

And since I am trash, I'm going to do a shameless plug because I just created an AO3 and I'm writing a Solavellan thing. Check it out if you want. Or don't.

 

You all are so nice, wow. I like it here! Speaking of fics, if anyone's got any recs, I'd love them.

 

There's Message Sent.  Just be warned that if you're uncomfortable with the use of 'hahren/da'len' in a romantic context it is very full of that.  There's also Tranquility and Bread Wolf.  I havn't read the latter, but it's the same author as Tranquility so I assume it's good.

[Patchwork]

Other than Bread Wolf I'm enjoying  Dalish & Divines and Wolf In The Breast

[Caddius]

This. So much this.

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I felt like I knew what I was in for when I started the series, it was never going to have a sunshine and bunnies ending and I was very pleased with the choice - after getting over the shock, drying my tears and really seeing what was there, of course. I also didn't think much on these details like the Normandy landing on jungle planet and I think that there needn't always be a literal, scientific explanation for every little detail. I like realism, but I love art a whole lot more, because a work like this is supposed to touch you on an archetypal level that sometimes dogmatic realism just doesn't convey (this is not to be confused with blatant inaccuracies); besides, there are so many mysterious aspects of our existence, so to call that into the tale makes it sink deeper in a way that we only get tastes of up until that point, and that only depending on what kind of player we are.

 

Besides, traditionally science fiction is supposed to be about so much more than how accurately we can imagine some scenario in the future, and also there is an element of an almost supernatural, magical mysticism that has long been associated with the masterpieces of the genre which I think has a very important role. I would agree that in some instances "hocus pocus" solutions just kills a story, if it's not realistic enough, yet at the same time I think it a pity if a story doesn't take a leap and go to unexplored places, when the whole point of science fiction is to do just that. Not the only role, but a really fundamental one. Sure, it can be argued that ME3's ending was one of those that brushed realism and kind of missed with these scenes, but I disagree - right from the point of saying goodbye to your squadmates, everything becomes very surreal, supercharged and dramatic and I actually found the starkness of my situation to be poignant and fitting. It wasn't meant to be an easy decision.

 

Anyway, if we really want to argue about the realism of the ending... I'm kind of sold on the indoctrination theory. It just... fits.

 

Aaaand on-topic, Solas is totally Javik in my books. I really don't get why Javik got such a lukewarm reception... I adore that character in every way possible. 

Javik got a lukewarm reception? Hmm. Every ME fan I personally know adored him. 

He and I agree that airlocks are great comedy fodder. 

[NightSymphony]

No Solas art today

 

But here are some lovely Corypheus drawings

http://moni158.devia...-Junk-541597193

[Giton]

I think I have this problem - Giton definitely had a hand it - but I am fan(usually) of the villains.  Solas isn't even a proper villain(not yet at least...one can only hope).  I don't think he ever will be.  Just a comlipicated mess of a person.  It's sort of funny - at least in my game world - my Lavellan is more level and optimistic especially after meeting Ameridan. 

Something wet just fell out of my eye.

 

On topic self-promotion: I wrote something for nikki_tikki that may have Falon'Din/Dirthamen in leather pants. But you know they would actually wear cloth of skinned animals rather well. Also, there is Solas. Here. 

 

Happy Tuesday!

 

Edit: I would feel a bit bad, if I didn't include a nice Solas "let's mediatate on the nature of art" thing I wrote: here. I didn't see the people recommending stuff above.

[Giton]

No Solas art today

 

But here are some lovely Corypheus drawings

http://moni158.devia...-Junk-541597193

That artist is a blessing.

[Illyria]

No Solas art today

 

But here are some lovely Corypheus drawings

http://moni158.devia...-Junk-541597193

 

Did you post that to summon Giton back to the thread?  It is like Bat Signal?

[Gwyvian]

Ohhhh so much     

 

Except for the

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Indoctrination Theory. I find it too convoluted and I'm the type of reader/player/viewer that likes that some things are left unexplained and unresolved. Was it real? Was it a dream? Was it indoctrination? I'd rather we never know.

 

I'm far from an expert in sci-fi, but I really enjoyed the few books and movies I've come across. What I really like about sci-fi is the possibility of asking questions to issues that humanity hasn't faced yet but probably will have to face one day. Like the question "What is the next step in evolution for an intelligent form of life capable of crafting artificial forms of life?" I think that's the one that ME is asking the player throughout the three games, and in the final scene after all that you've seen, it demands an answer.

 

I love Javik to pieces, too. You have to

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convince him that present races deserve not to be thrown out of the airlock.

Maybe we'll have to do that with Solas as well   

 

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I don't agree with some pieces of evidence presented in the Indoctrination Theory, they seem pretty far-fetched, yet I did find it somewhat compelling because I concede that 1. Shepard can't be the only person who is unaffected by being around so much Reaper tech, even should we consider his/her "death and rebirth" as an explanation for that, 2. the star-child's presence is suspicious; first time we meet him, it's not in Shepard's dreams and then at the very end it turns out who he is, and that tells me that the Reapers have been "reaching out" to Shepard since the beginning. Plus the laser thing, I kind of like that explanation that the laser is not just a plain old laser that should have incinerated him/her. But as I said, I still stick to the more metaphorical interpretation, it needs no further elaboration in my opinion, but I could make an argument for the IT if I had to. Part of the beauty is, as you say, that it keeps you guessing, IT is no different in that regard.   

 

That's the essence of classical sci-fi right there. I write, read and study it and though it's gone through a lot of changes since The Time Machine, one of sci-fi's most important roles remains to imagine that one step further - or back, as the case may be, haha. Of course, there are many more elements to it that have become integral to the genre as it responded to the needs of the time, yet all in all I think this forward-thinking attitude is something that is so fundamental that it's just not sci-fi if a piece of work was missing it. It's definitely not the spaceships and lasers that make a sci-fi story, especially ever since we've been increasingly catching up to those once-unimaginable technologies, i.e. the story's substance must contain more to be a meaningful contribution into this collective; I think ME is definitely a worthy contribution in this regard.

 

Oh, Javik. 

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You kind of do have to convince Solas about airlocks, though he's disparaging of the Dalish, not stupid primitives, and the airlock is more like "consign them to a slow and painful death during a Blight/other cataclysm caused in order to change things in the proper way." The attitude is pretty much the same, though.  

[Giton]

Did you post that to summon Giton back to the thread?  It is like Bat Signal?

I hear the dead whispers.

[Gwyvian]

I adored Javik too! He shot up to one of my favorite characters in the series. Solas reminds me of him in a few ways, but honestly Solas is three times more complex than Javik, in my eyes. Which means he's completely awesome. He's not perfect in the least and he has a huge amount of flaws but that's what makes a character great! For an elven "god" boasting a lifespan of thousands of years, he's painfully human. Basically I like him for reasons most people seem to dislike him. I was never in for this trend that a character has to do nothing wrong in order for you to feel good about liking them and that determining who is a better character is about determining who did less wrong.

 

Then again, I don't think Solas is nearly as bad a person as some people make him out to be. It seems like some people read way too much bad into every single thing about him and I kind of feel bad for them because I feel like they're missing out on a lot about him. I may not adore every BioWare companion but I always understand them and where they're coming from, which means I'm never able to really dislike any of them.

 

I think some of Solas' complexity over Javik revolves around their respective circumstance, I mean, Solas has the motivation, chance and means to at least attempt an effective change of whatever it is that he did, whereas Javik

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has already essentially failed in a similar task, to save his people or at least a fraction of his people - all he has left to him is vengeance and that is not a terribly complex concept, though I highly enjoy the fact that there is more to Javik than that alone.

 

The best characters usually are the most realistic ones, i.e. people who are emphatically not perfect, they have a balance of good and evil that mix liberally, just as is true of us. Personally I feel that to judge any character like Solas as black-and-white "evil" or "good" is incredibly superficial, especially considering that everything in the universe is always a question of perspective. Compelling characters are indeed those who are flawed in one way or another, though what our definition of those flaws are may vary drastically.

[Gwyvian]

Javik got a lukewarm reception? Hmm. Every ME fan I personally know adored him. 

He and I agree that airlocks are great comedy fodder. 

 

Yes!  I just saw a comment or two a couple pages back here about his dialogue being somewhat weak or something like that (I can look it up later, just not now, I have work  ) and I was sitting here thinking that his concept is amazing, his design is awesome, his interactions are absorbing (and very amusing at times) and just in general       *gush* and I got the impression that he didn't impress. Javik sure impressed me and I think he was executed perfectly.

 

Yeah, I don't really know anyone personally who isn't taken with Javik, but I keep seeing these comments on other forums, too, and elsewhere, that oh, "Javik is great, but..." or "Javik could have been so much better" or something along those lines. The only comment like this that I can even slightly agree with is that Javik might have been included in the base game to begin with and everyone would have been happier, which I read somewhere was the original intention, but that really ought not to influence one's opinion about the character himself.

 

Anyway, I'm always happy to talk to other Javik fans. 

[Sable Rhapsody]

Yeah, I don't really know anyone personally who isn't taken with Javik, but I keep seeing these comments on other forums, too, and elsewhere, that oh, "Javik is great, but..." or "Javik could have been so much better" or something along those lines. The only comment like this that I can even slightly agree with is that Javik might have been included in the base game to begin with and everyone would have been happier, which I read somewhere was the original intention, but that really ought not to influence one's opinion about the character himself.

 

I'm one of those weirdos who never had Javik, and didn't particularly feel his absence.  I've seen some of his content and he looks like a great character, but I guess I didn't feel like I was missing out or anything.  Also I was throwing a hissy fit at the time and refusing to spend any more money on ME3 until Citadel  I should probably pick him up someday.

[NightSymphony]

Javik came with my copy of ME3 since I pre-ordered it. I've never played the game without him. He's alright. I dunno..I like him, but he certainly isn't one of my faves. I never take him anywhere with me, poor guy. I unfreeze him just to leave him on my ship. :-P