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I'm not too sure if Leliana will become Divine in this scenario.  You may have to avoid recruiting Vivienne.  As for Solas you should be able to make up approval through the artefacts, saving Wisdom, exiling the Wardens and going for Celene/Briana.

 

To get Leliana as Divine when allying with the templars I think you would have to go with puppet Gaspard and trash the Chantry while not supporting Vivienne or Cassandra in any way.

 

Not exiling the Wardens gives Leliana points too.  



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To get Leliana as Divine when allying with the templars I think you would have to go with puppet Gaspard and trash the Chantry while not supporting Vivienne or Cassandra in any way.

 

Not exiling the Wardens gives Leliana points too.  

 

So it could be tough to both romance Solas and make Leliana Divine then.

 

Just noticed 'Briala' got autocorrected.  That's embarrassing.  At least my tablet has stopped auto correcting 'Solas' to 'Silas' now. 


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So it could be tough to both romance Solas and make Leliana Divine then.

 

Just noticed 'Briala' got autocorrected.  That's embarrassing.  At least my tablet has stopped auto correcting 'Solas' to 'Silas' now. 

 

Does approval matter once the romance has started? 

 

I'm not sure but with a bit of approval farming in the beginning and during his quest it's probably enough to get the balcony scene. 



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Art time. Lots of Solavellan art for today. :)

 

Solas has a sneaky crush on Lavellan.

 

Tumblr link version of the beautiful artwork by ynorka that Garnet posted earlier. :)

 

Happy family AU.  :crying:

 

Kiss

 

Kitty Solas! <3

 

Some kiss/romance prompts with Solas, Lavellan, Isabela, Fenris, and Jethann.

 

It's always wolves elves.

 

The happy family AU just got reblogged by Solas himself.  Complete with the saddest tags.



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Solas Confessions:

 

It's okay, Solas hates you too:

Spoiler

 

Of course, the above was followed by this:

Spoiler

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So it could be tough to both romance Solas and make Leliana Divine then.

 

Just noticed 'Briala' got autocorrected.  That's embarrassing.  At least my tablet has stopped auto correcting 'Solas' to 'Silas' now. 

 

My tablet suggests it whenever I type "So-".

 

My phone, however, still sometimes likes to correct Solas to Sofas.


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My tablet suggests it whenever I type "So-".

 

My phone, however, still sometimes likes to correct Solas to Sofas.

 

That... could make a lot of theory posts more interesting.


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That... could make a lot of theory posts more interesting.

 

Meanwhile, my friend's phone was the opposite, leading to "My doctor's office got Solas to replace the chairs". We both died.


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Meanwhile, my friend's phone was the opposite, leading to "My doctor's office got Solas to replace the chairs". We both died.

 

I'd pay to see that.



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Yes, Solas, we know you can decorate, now show us your furniture skills. :lol:


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Honestly Solas' elf superiority is genuinely the one thing I really don't like about his character. I think if I'd gone with Adaar mage as my first playthrough (which was my original intention until I got tipped off that the story was very human and elf-centric), he would have pissed me off much more than with my Lavellan. I know he makes comments along the lines of 'well, you're actually pretty ok for a [insert race here]' for non-elf inquisitor.

 

I actually love how rude he is. Solas is probably more no-bullshit than Cass, honestly. If he doesn't have time for you, he wastes no time on you. It's fantastic.


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Honestly Solas' elf superiority is genuinely the one thing I really don't like about his character. I think if I'd gone with Adaar mage as my first playthrough (which was my original intention until I got tipped off that the story was very human and elf-centric), he would have pissed me off much more than with my Lavellan. I know he makes comments along the lines of 'well, you're actually pretty ok for a [insert race here]' for non-elf inquisitor.

 

I actually love how rude he is. Solas is probably more no-bullshit than Cass, honestly. If he doesn't have time for you, he wastes no time on you. It's fantastic.

 

I'm the same about Sera.  I mean, I frigging love her BUT I'm never going to get past that whole 'so... you're an elf.  Hope you're not too elfy.'  Or the 'me or your faith' choice she throws at you.


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Honestly Solas' elf superiority is genuinely the one thing I really don't like about his character. I think if I'd gone with Adaar mage as my first playthrough (which was my original intention until I got tipped off that the story was very human and elf-centric), he would have pissed me off much more than with my Lavellan. I know he makes comments along the lines of 'well, you're actually pretty ok for a [insert race here]' for non-elf inquisitor.

 

I actually love how rude he is. Solas is probably more no-bullshit than Cass, honestly. If he doesn't have time for you, he wastes no time on you. It's fantastic.

 

Once a God-King always a God-King ;)


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Honestly Solas' elf superiority is genuinely the one thing I really don't like about his character. I think if I'd gone with Adaar mage as my first playthrough (which was my original intention until I got tipped off that the story was very human and elf-centric), he would have pissed me off much more than with my Lavellan. I know he makes comments along the lines of 'well, you're actually pretty ok for a [insert race here]' for non-elf inquisitor.

 

I actually love how rude he is. Solas is probably more no-bullshit than Cass, honestly. If he doesn't have time for you, he wastes no time on you. It's fantastic.

 

For the same reason Javik never bothered me, Solas doesn't bother me with all that. I completely understand why they're like that. It doesn't make it a good thing in the least bit, but I understand. Not to mention neither really dislikes the other races as much as they like to pretend. Solas especially easily takes to individuals but is stubborn about changing his overall view. Considering he's an elven "god" from a time apparently before the other races were anything but 'brutes' and after learning his entire race was all but obliterated to him, it's kind of what you'd expect. It gives his character some hypocrisy due to his "open-mindedness" but it's one of my favorite flaws of his because it gives him a more realistic depth. Plus if you take into account the theory that his plans will hurt the modern races, perhaps even including elves, it makes twice as much sense that he tries to distance himself from them emotionally.

 

Maybe if they were forever hating and treating other races badly, I would be mad. But Javik's mind can be changed and Solas never treats an individual of another race like crap because they're not an elf. More for their personality than anything. He freaking loves Cassandra and you can tell he respects Varric and Iron Bull and even Blackwall a lot. And you know he'd never try to oppress the people of another race even if he had the power to because he's not for all that at all despite what he might think of those races.


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Honestly Solas' elf superiority is genuinely the one thing I really don't like about his character. I think if I'd gone with Adaar mage as my first playthrough (which was my original intention until I got tipped off that the story was very human and elf-centric), he would have pissed me off much more than with my Lavellan. I know he makes comments along the lines of 'well, you're actually pretty ok for a [insert race here]' for non-elf inquisitor.

 

I actually love how rude he is. Solas is probably more no-bullshit than Cass, honestly. If he doesn't have time for you, he wastes no time on you. It's fantastic.

I was kind of...whatever about it. Even as a human inky.  It's like "rolls eyes" and move on.  If he was aggressively racist and violent...problem.  With him, there was inherent biases for understandable reasons. Not that it makes some of his problematic statements OK, just understandable.  He also shows he has room to grow and learn.  So much like a friend that I have that...once in a while will say some sexist b.s. - I just roll my eyes, make fun of him, and move on.  Sometimes he sees what he said was wrong and I've watched him change. Sometimes I realize he's just that way.  I'm ok with it. 

 

This isn't a black and white issue. Some people's tolerance for that varies.  I can get why someone wouldn't like Solas. It doesn't make them stupid or wrong. It makes their tolerance to stomach that lower.  He says problematic things and is rude and an ******* sometimes. I thought at points it was funny and others it was just sort of...'erk'.  BUT I didn't particularly mind because all the companions run at the mouth.  They're people.  They have opinions that might be sort of gross sometimes.  It's up to you as the player(or as the character you are roleplaying) to determine what you're willing to let slide.


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I'm the same about Sera.  I mean, I frigging love her BUT I'm never going to get past that whole 'so... you're an elf.  Hope you're not too elfy.'  Or the 'me or your faith' choice she throws at you.

 

Same with me, in both cases. And I like that there are qualities I don't like in both, because that's more realistic. Even the people I love the most have habits or beliefs or ways of acting that get on my nerves. :)

 


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I'm the same about Sera.  I mean, I frigging love her BUT I'm never going to get past that whole 'so... you're an elf.  Hope you're not too elfy.'  Or the 'me or your faith' choice she throws at you.

 

The only thing I can't forgive Sera for is trying to emotionally manipulate an elf Inquisitor into giving up/denouncing all of her beliefs in order to keep being with her. That's one of the most messed up things to happen in any Dragon Age romance. That said, I still understand where she's coming from. I think Sera could do with some more nuance but she's still a pretty fleshed out character so I can never really dislike her. It's more like a combination of her demeanor, beliefs and attitudes irk me sometimes. But I think it's supposed to. She's rather immature compared to other companions and she's bad at communicating her thoughts in a rational manner, but that was on purpose and I love how different it is from everything we've had before. Sera's the kind of character that forces you to read between the lines to understand everything. Solas is similar!


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I'm not really sure the writer's intent there, if he was actually meant to come off slightly prejudice, but a lot of the time I got the impression he was trying to single the Inquisitor out. Especially with the Dalish in a romance, right up to the point of offering to remove the vallaslin, which is deliberately setting them apart from their identity as Dalish. He keeps alluding to the fact that he thinks the IQ is different or unique (if you don't go out of your way to earn his disapproval, that is).

I think part of it is that he sees individuals first and distrusts groups with power. That might be mistaken for bigotry. But maybe he wants the IQ to see themselves that way, so that they aren't careless with their power? Remember how he says an individual can walk away from power but a group never can.

Or it might be that, like Javik, he is a relic of the past and is the product of an ancient empire. He has wisdom that has been forgotten. But as open minded as he is, he still has a certian perspective from another era. I think that if we could go back in time IRL to meet some of the philosophers and political figures who paved the way for ideas about freedom, we would find a lot of problematic things about them by today's standards. Probably with every last one of them.
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By the end of it all, my main char no longer really thinks of herself as "Dalish" per se.  She doesn't turn her back on her clan or the Dalish but as the Inquisitor she has to look at what's best on the whole and not just what's best for the Dalish.  And I kind of started out playing her with the mindset of "ok let's get this whole Breach/Corypheus thing over with so I can get back to my clan".  That changed quickly because as I see it the Inquisition doesn't stand for just one race or one kingdom, it stands for an ideal or belief.  For me, that ideal/belief is trying to make the world "better" for everyone - or for the majority, as Cass brings up a great point that what you think is better may not be what other people think is better.  Other people may see their Inquisition differently (as a means to power or an expression of faith).

 

Anyway, by the end of the game my inquisitor considered herself more just "elf" as opposed to the specific "Dalish elf".  If that makes sense.

 

Although it would have been nice for those whose Inquisitors have strong ties to the Dalish, to be able to  step down and return to your clan if that's what you want to do. 

 

Edit:  Should have quoted Sah291, as that's where my above thoughts came from.  They said, " Especially with the Dalish in a romance, right up to the point of offering to remove the vallaslin, which is deliberately setting them apart from their identity as Dalish."   By that point my Inquisitor no longer thinks of herself as Dalish really so the removal of the vallaslin doesn't set her apart so much as it sort of affirms her feelings.  Thought I should clarify since it kind of looked like my post sort of rambled out of the blue.


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By the end of it all, my main char no longer really thinks of herself as "Dalish" per se.  She doesn't turn her back on her clan or the Dalish but as the Inquisitor she has to look at what's best on the whole and not just what's best for the Dalish.  And I kind of started out playing her with the mindset of "ok let's get this whole Breach/Corypheus thing over with so I can get back to my clan".  That changed quickly because as I see it the Inquisition doesn't stand for just one race or one kingdom, it stands for an ideal or belief.  For me, that ideal/belief is trying to make the world "better" for everyone - or for the majority, as Cass brings up a great point that what you think is better may not be what other people think is better.  Other people may see their Inquisition differently (as a means to power or an expression of faith).

 

Anyway, by the end of the game my inquisitor considered herself more just "elf" as opposed to the specific "Dalish elf".  If that makes sense.

 

Although it would have been nice for those whose Inquisitors have strong ties to the Dalish, to be able to  step down and return to your clan if that's what you want to do.

 

I don't think they are mutually exclusive. You can roleplay that way if you want, but I think it can be roleplayed that the Inquisitor keeps her Dalish identity and attends to all the Inquisition responsibilities at the same time. My Solasmance Lavellan strongly identifies herself as Dalish, even after getting her vallaslin removed, and wants to work for a better future for all elves; but that doesn't mean she will use the Inquisition only for that, and that she won't help people from other races if they are in need. After all, the Inquisition is indebted to a lot of different organizations from different backgrounds as much as they are indebted to the Inquisition, she is aware of that and doesn't reject it. She still loves her clan and family to pieces, but that doesn't mean she will go back running to them once Corypheus is dealt with. 

 

Edit to add: more than two extreme options between "you no longer identify as Dalish so you stay with the Inquisition" and "you still feel Dalish so you go back running to your clan",I would have liked a way to reconnect with your clan if they survived. Maybe a table mission where you can choose between bringing some members of your clan to Skyhold, or take a trip to Wycome to visit them, or just send them a letter to let them know you are Ok and you don't consider yourself a member of the clan anymore. Something along those lines.


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I don't think they are mutually exclusive. You can roleplay that way if you want, but I think it can be roleplayed that the Inquisitor keeps her Dalish identity and attends to all the Inquisition responsibilities at the same time. My Solasmance Lavellan strongly identifies herself as Dalish, even after getting her vallaslin removed, and wants to work for a better future for all elves; but that doesn't mean she will use the Inquisition only for that, and that she won't help people from other races if they are in need. After all, the Inquisition is indebted to a lot of different organizations from different backgrounds as much as they are indebted to the Inquisition, she is aware of that and doesn't reject it. She still loves her clan and family to pieces, but that doesn't mean she will go back running to them once Corypheus is dealt with. 

 

Sorry, didn't mean to imply that they were mutually exclusive or anything.  Just kind of rambling about my take on it.



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Sorry, didn't mean to imply that they were mutually exclusive or anything.  Just kind of rambling about my take on it.

 

No apologies needed! Sorry if it came out a bit blunt and personal; I just wanted to take the opportunity to say it, as I have read several posts by different people with the idea that you can fall only on one of those two extremes.



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Edit to add: more than two extreme options between "you no longer identify as Dalish so you stay with the Inquisition" and "you still feel Dalish so you go back running to your clan",I would have liked a way to reconnect with your clan if they survived. Maybe a table mission where you can choose between bringing some members of your clan to Skyhold, or take a trip to Wycome to visit them, or just send them a letter to let them know you are Ok and you don't consider yourself a member of the clan anymore. Something along those lines.

 

I would've really liked that.  I would've liked more interaction with the backgrounds in general.  Trevelyan's family sounds nuts, and Adaar's old merc company is just made of awesome.


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Edit to add: more than two extreme options between "you no longer identify as Dalish so you stay with the Inquisition" and "you still feel Dalish so you go back running to your clan",I would have liked a way to reconnect with your clan if they survived. Maybe a table mission where you can choose between bringing some members of your clan to Skyhold, or take a trip to Wycome to visit them, or just send them a letter to let them know you are Ok and you don't consider yourself a member of the clan anymore. Something along those lines.

 

 

That would have been pretty cool as well and something I would have liked doing.

 

And you didn't come off as blunt or personal, just thought I should clarify.  We're good.  :)


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I started the game as an elf but felt hardly elfy. I did the same in Origins. Fact is, I'm not an elf. Ad how should I rp a race that is so set apart from everything else when I personally have no idea what it's like? In fact, I might even go as far as to say I relate more to Solas perspective then the Dalish! But! I wanted to try to get into my character as much as possible so after reading the head cannons and opinions here I replayed a new Solas romence. So far, it's been quite different. Not that my choices have been different but I've been drawn into dialog options I haven't tried in my other (4 or 5) play throughs. This feels like an actual elf from clan Lavellan rather then just me playing an elf. I have a new love for this character and this game. Now I really hope she can have a happy(ish) ending. Oddly enough, my original favorite pc was my Bull riding Adarr, while Solas remains my favorite LI (and all-a-round favorite character ever).