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[Gwyvian]

@uire - thanks friend. I go through spurts of more regular vs sporadic posting but even when quiet i do come by to check the thread hasnt burned down or something (i jest)

@everyone aaah thanks very much. I was definitely purposefully trying to veer away from the cute ethereal doll-like kind of look (nothing wrong with it, to each their own, ive seen some downright angelically beautiful creations in terms of femlavellans and theyre amazing!) its just not for me personally. I guess she is still pleasing to the eye in her own way, I wonder how to make her look less so, thats the question isnt it? How to make a character who isnt really aesthetically pleasing but doesnt verge into the realm of comically unrealistically ugly? I find that if i push the cc too far they just end up looking like the cartoonlike "ugliest as possible" quizzies people make for lulz to post in those threads.

If i had my way she'd be able to be missing an eye and half an ear and stuff haha. Headcanon man

Anyway yeah the ethereal type elf creators are very talented and have a keen eye for the details, its impressive.

I appreciate you guys taking the time to look at my quiz btw, means a lot :3

 

That would be awesome. I am a great fan of a certain type of imperfect beauty, scars are nice but missing eye and half an ear would be a really amazing addition to a CC.  I'm not a huge fan of the "ethereal doll" look, not because I don't find it attractive, but I've grown somewhat... bored with it, to be honest. Not sure I can pull off the kind of face that is attractive in a different way, but I try. (I'm secretly very pleased with my first Lavellan in this regard.)

[Gwyvian]

So, I just had a thought and was wondering if anyone can kinda clear up this confusion in my head.

 

Solas has been sleeping for round about 1000 years right? And he makes the comment about waking up and seeing things worse than what they were.

 

But, he talks about dreaming at Ostagar and seeing current events.

 

*snip*

 

 

We don't know how long he has been awake, but Corypheus has been working on his plans for at least a couple of years, I think. And Solas has been traveling as Solas and trying to do things like communicate with the Dalish for at least a little while. So it's not possible to pinpoint when or what woke him up just yet.

 

Though there is a ton of speculation.

 

But yes, in uthenera, a person's mind is just in the Fade, so things are jumbled and interpreted and all that, as the Ostagar stuff shows. It's also a good reason why Solas and Varric's banter includes many presumptions about the dwarves and Varric speaking optimistically, while Solas is more preoccupied with the downfall of a great people. He didn't know any of that. Also, with dwarves, things are funny since they can mine lyrium with precautions and are supposedly cut off from the Fade and magic. Red lyrium being an obvious exception.

 

But if they're cut off from dreamd and thus, The Fade, this also explains why Solas was unable to see or understand what happened to them and thus, he sees the negative.

 

 

And even after waking up and returning to the world, everything is awful, according to his perception. And he blames himself for whatever it was that he did (of which we know only the barest detail). So he spends a lot of time dreaming in the Fade, even after waking after spending all that time in Fade stasis. It IS sad. He's a character with so many layers and so much pain.

 

Once you realize all his time in the Fade now isn't exactly all about making new discoveries, as he's selling it to you. The Fade is where whatever remains of the world he knew, his life, hopes, dreams, cities, people (aside from Mythal, at least). 

 

Wait, wait. Guys. You're forgetting that the Fade has a completely different time mechanic. We've seen time and time again some kind of spirit "recreation" of events, especially where the Veil is thin, that span a very long time in Thedas terms, or short ones, too, yet for the spirits of the Fade no time has "passed" at all. We've even seen spirits trapped in a kind of loop until someone or something releases them. I.e. whether Solas dreams himself into the Fade or if his consciousness was floating around there, or even if he was physically there at whatever point, the distance in time doesn't matter. For all we know, the events of Ostagar could be playing out over and over for centuries to come and I wouldn't be surprised if the Veil thinned considerably after such a battle, after so many intense and tragic emotions flooded that place, so Solas could easily have wandered the Fade to pick up information a couple of weeks or days before the events of Inquisition and base his knowledge about recent events on what he sees there and it would amount to the same thing (unlikely, as I concur that he obviously attempted to make contact with the Dalish and his tone seems to imply that this happened "a while ago" and several times). He's obviously spent enough time awake to at least get a grasp of the major events in Thedas, yet all the information he gives us is tantamount to the same rumors no doubt we heard, so it really doesn't indicate anything at all about when and how he woke.

 

I agree about the dwarves, though, that regardless of how long Solas has been awake, he must have some "recent" memories of dwarves being different, powerful and in control, even if they were cut off from the Fade at the time (he implies the downfall, which would imply that he saw them pre-Blight, yet there isn't a lot of indication as to when the dwarves changed, if that's what happened - correct me if I'm wrong). His opinions about dwarves seems similar to his opinions about the Dalish to me, he has drawn his conclusions, so to speak, without necessarily seeing the whole picture (and that to my mind suggests that he can't have been awake for too long, because his beliefs haven't had time to adjust to possible new, expanded experiences of the races).

 

I'm not saying this to be contradictory, I'm merely saying that we should speculate on these with that in mind, i.e. that Thedas chronology is absolutely no guide in this question for the above stated reasons.

[Vorathrad]

Did he "give" the orb to Corypheus, or did he take it somehow?

 

There's been a lot of discussion around it; I personally think it's the first, but Corypheus taking your orb is also the kind of thing that happens before your morning coffee.

 

Wait, wait. Guys. You're forgetting that the Fade has a completely different time mechanic. 

 

*snip*

 

You're right but, and connecting to the "orb affaire", Corypheus says that he was planning assault the heavens 2.0 for years; I don't think he somehow acquired the orb two days before the Conclave and just went there, he needed the Grey Wardens cooperation so he must have had the orb for some time before that.

[Elessara]

My problem with the theory of Solas picking up details about recent events from the Fade is ... well ... memories tend not to have context and lack details.  It's like seeing a scene from the middle of a play.  You don't know who all of these people are unless someone else addresses them by name.  You also don't know really what's going on.  For example Ostagar:  Solas wouldn't know that the people lighting the torch are the Hero of Ferelden and Alistair because at that point your warden isn't the Hero of Ferelden and no one addresses him/her as such and Solas wouldn't know that was Alistair unless during the tower climb someone says his name.  Solas could probably deduce that the blond guy in the golden armor giving orders is a leader but wouldn't necessarily know that's King Cailan of Ferelden unless someone in the memory specifically says "your majesty" but even then that would only indicate that the guy in the golden armor is a king but not his name or of where.

 

I suppose Solas could ask whatever spirits might happen to be there about what was going on but would the spirits necessarily know?  Would they care about the who and the why or would the spirits just be reacting to what happened?  A spirit of wisdom might care but apparently they're rare.

[Gwyvian]

There's been a lot of discussion around it; I personally think it's the first, but Corypheus taking your orb is also the kind of thing that happens before your morning coffee.

 

 

You're right but, and connecting to the "orb affaire", Corypheus says that he was planning assault the heavens 2.0 for years; I don't think he somehow acquired the orb two days before the Conclave and just went there, he needed the Grey Wardens cooperation so he must have had the orb for some time before that.

 

True, of course, I didn't mean to imply otherwise; personally, I think the evidence we do have suggests at least a few years of being awake, if not significantly more. I merely wanted to comment on this because some confusion arose over how Solas learned knowledge ostensibly gleaned from the Fade relative to his awakening, which I wanted to point out cannot be used as evidence of anything, given the nature of the Fade. I'll gladly accept any other type of evidence or conjecture, though, on when and how he awoke. By this token, almost anything he says cannot be used as evidence to begin with because he might be speculating on things he saw who knows when in the Fade, yet as you say, morsels such as Corypheus' activities can and do give us a rough timeline, of sorts, so as I said, I think he must have been active for a while at least.

[Gwyvian]

My problem with the theory of Solas picking up details about recent events from the Fade is ... well ... memories tend not to have context and lack details.  It's like seeing a scene from the middle of a play.  You don't know who all of these people are unless someone else addresses them by name.  You also don't know really what's going on.  For example Ostagar:  Solas wouldn't know that the people lighting the torch are the Hero of Ferelden and Alistair because at that point your warden isn't the Hero of Ferelden and no one addresses him/her as such and Solas wouldn't know that was Alistair unless during the tower climb someone says his name.  Solas could probably deduce that the blond guy in the golden armor giving orders is a leader but wouldn't necessarily know that's King Cailan of Ferelden unless someone in the memory specifically says "your majesty" but even then that would only indicate that the guy in the golden armor is a king but not his name or of where.

 

I suppose Solas could ask whatever spirits might happen to be there about what was going on but would the spirits necessarily know?  Would they care about the who and the why or would the spirits just be reacting to what happened?  A spirit of wisdom might care but apparently they're rare.

 

I thought of this, too. However, it is not difficult to piece together rumors and what he could see in the Fade of certain events in a relatively short amount of time; it could even be that he went after the scene deliberately after learning that another Blight started and was quelled in a remarkably short amount of time - I can see how that sort of thing would draw him to learn more about what happened. Nothing says that he gathered all his data exclusively from the Fade, after all. As far as I remember, this is the only event that he goes into any detail about regarding current events and it is an event that is on such a large scale that he would have had to have been deaf, dumb and blind even wandering in the wilderness not to have at least heard a snippet of the goings-on (I exaggerate, but considering how much of Ferelden was affected, it really would be wild not to learn about it, particularly if he was trying to approach Dalish clans at the time).

 

Anyway, I think it not at all strange to imagine him putting together rumor and Fade-observation; he readily admits that it's not a reliable source of information, yet he does capture the essence (as I imagine the spirits do) from both sides, which means there is just enough information there to give him an idea of a situation that, even as it happened, was nowhere near as black-and-white as we were lead to believe during DA:O. Plus, going by spirit-garnered information, they can be quite detailed, especially the ones that linger in one spot and just talk endlessly to themselves.

[Elessara]

There's been a lot of discussion around it; I personally think it's the first, but Corypheus taking your orb is also the kind of thing that happens before your morning coffee.

 

 

You're right but, and connecting to the "orb affaire", Corypheus says that he was planning assault the heavens 2.0 for years; I don't think he somehow acquired the orb two days before the Conclave and just went there, he needed the Grey Wardens cooperation so he must have had the orb for some time before that.

 

Did the orb have anything to do with Cory getting the Grey Wardens?  He was controlling their mind through a blood magic ritual that was connected to the Blight.  He probably got that idea when he jumped from his body to Larius/Janeka although that is just speculation on my part.  It always seemed to me that the orb was Cory's way into the Fade but everything else (the Wardens, the demon army, the Venatori, the Red Templars) was a combination of his power from the Blight, Red Lyrium and playing on the fears of Tevinter mages who were afraid of the decline of Tevinter.

 

I'm just not sure how much of his plans and power can be attributed to having the orb.  Especially since the orb isn't even really unlocked until the ritual at the Conclave.  If I recall correctly Solas indicates that the Breach is a result of unlocking the power of the orb?  I could be misremembering.

[Gwyvian]

I'm just realizing I completely missed the tarot card discussion.   Arrrgh. Backlog hates me.

[Janic99]

Sharing my Inquisitors since this seems to be a good time to do it:

 

Mah barefaced bebe, Luca, 33, rogue assassin, in the final scene at Skyhold:

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  She'll probably end up being my canon Lavellan.

 

 

holy sh*t she is gorgeous

[Gervaise]

Cory was controlling Warden mages even before Hawke released him from prison. There were lots of references to this in Legacy.    That is why they couldn't allow mages to guard him and knew not to use Warden mage blood for the binding on his prison.    It also means their leadership were remiss on not making this clearer to everyone in their organisation, so that Janeka should never have been put in charge of any expedition near its location.     Cory had a very bad affect on Anders if he is with you.  (Who knows may be he influenced him in some way even in Kirkwall.)    Strangely enough Bethany seemed unaffected, though I could be remembering that wrong and I never took her with me.   There was speculation that the reason mages were so unstable in Kirkwall was down to Cory, plus the very thin veil.   

 

Cory didn't have the same control over non-mage Wardens but for some time he was disguised as Larius/Janeka and thus able to manipulate people.   Again I wonder that other Wardens didn't think it odd that Larius suddenly looked a whole lot better when he was meant to have departed on his Calling but I suppose it could have been explained that he had been mistaken.  

 

The use of the orb would clearly seem to have been as some form of power source.   However, he also drew knowledge from it.    There was a codex in the Arbor Wilds where the writer (I think it was Samson but could also have been Calpurnia depending on which path you took) says they asked Cory how he knew about the Well and he replied it came from the orb.     I think Cory knew that Tevinter didn't destroy Arlathan but that they merely picked over its bones and used artefacts they found to advance their own knowledge.    This is why he was fixated on finding as many elven artefacts as possible.   

 

When he entered the Fade the first time, he wasn't able to stay there for any length of time.   Whatever power was in the Black City spewed him and his mates back out almost immediately after they entered.   So he crafted the anchor to prevent this happening a second time.    Whatever the Black City is, he would seem to assume/know it is an ultimate source of power but you need to stay there to use it.    Since his main aim in the Arbor Wilds was to find the Well, not use the eluvian, I'm thinking that he hoped the Well would give him the knowledge to enter and remain in the Fade without the anchor.

 

I wish they had explained more about what went on with Cory and the orb.    Throwing the fact that it had originally belonged to Fen/Solas made the whole thing even more confusing because instead of just happening on the orb by accident, it would seem that it was donated to him.    I have a theory that originally it was not given to Cory direct by Solas but to Calpurnia.    Her aim was to restore Tevinter to greatness but part of that plan included freeing all the slaves and making them full citizens of the Imperium, whether mage or not.   That was something I could really see Solas getting enthusiastic about and thus willingly handing over his orb (if he was really Fen'Harel all the time) as a source of knowledge to enable this aim, which needed unlocking and for which he had insufficient power at that time.

[Vorathrad]

True, of course, I didn't mean to imply otherwise; personally, I think the evidence we do have suggests at least a few years of being awake, if not significantly more. I merely wanted to comment on this because some confusion arose over how Solas learned knowledge ostensibly gleaned from the Fade relative to his awakening, which I wanted to point out cannot be used as evidence of anything, given the nature of the Fade. I'll gladly accept any other type of evidence or conjecture, though, on when and how he awoke. By this token, almost anything he says cannot be used as evidence to begin with because he might be speculating on things he saw who knows when in the Fade, yet as you say, morsels such as Corypheus' activities can and do give us a rough timeline, of sorts, so as I said, I think he must have been active for a while at least.

 

Oh ok, I misunderstood you then, sorry.

Did the orb have anything to do with Cory getting the Grey Wardens?  He was controlling their mind through a blood magic ritual that was connected to the Blight.  He probably got that idea when he jumped from his body to Larius/Janeka although that is just speculation on my part.  It always seemed to me that the orb was Cory's way into the Fade but everything else (the Wardens, the demon army, the Venatori, the Red Templars) was a combination of his power from the Blight, Red Lyrium and playing on the fears of Tevinter mages who were afraid of the decline of Tevinter.

 

I'm just not sure how much of his plans and power can be attributed to having the orb.  Especially since the orb isn't even really unlocked until the ritual at the Conclave.  If I recall correctly Solas indicates that the Breach is a result of unlocking the power of the orb?  I could be misremembering.

 

In some way the Grey Wardens have to do with the orb; it seems that they are in the Conclave to channel or power up the ritual in some way, as well as backup in case something goes wrong and Corypheus needs to do the body hop. So before doing the ritual, he must have already Grey Wardens in control, which I guess took him some time.

 

The orb is Corypheus key to walking the Fade physically in order to reach the Black City; it's not clear whether he had any other plans to do so before acquiring the orb by whatever means he did, but once he has it his goal is to unlock its power and use it. IIRC the Breach is a result of the Inquisitor disrupting the ritual.

 

PS: I don't have time to read Gervaise's answer before posting, I'll do so and all your wonderful theorising once I get back from real life thingies.

[Elessara]

Oh ok, I misunderstood you then, sorry.

 

In some way the Grey Wardens have to do with the orb; it seems that they are in the Conclave to channel or power up the ritual in some way, as well as backup in case something goes wrong and Corypheus needs to do the body hop. So before doing the ritual, he must have already Grey Wardens in control, which I guess took him some time.

 

The orb is Corypheus key to walking the Fade physically in order to reach the Black City; it's not clear whether he had any other plans to do so before acquiring the orb by whatever means he did, but once he has it his goal is to unlock its power and use it. IIRC the Breach is a result of the Inquisitor disrupting the ritual.

 

PS: I don't have time to read Gervaise's answer before posting, I'll do so and all your wonderful theorising once I get back from real life thingies.

 

In the bits we saw it looked like they were simply restraining the Divine for Cory to do his ritual.  I imagine he used the Grey Wardens as it might have been difficult to sneak in Tevinter mages and Cory felt he might need to body swap, as you say.  Maybe they were also lending their power to it but again, Tevinter mages probably could have done the job as well but were a riskier proposition.  As a neutral party who were probably also interested in peace given the relatively recent Blight and rumors of another, would a Warden presence have been questioned?

 

On another note: How DID the not-yet-Inquisitor know to go in the room?  Or rather, not *know* per se but why were they there in the first place?  You were just wandering around, randomly, aimlessly, opened a door, saw a ritual and went "Sup yo" ?

[Janic99]

Someone might have already sent this but I need to share it again: 



http://liliumsnow.de...reams-536525947

[Solas]

I really like her.  She's got all the traditional pretty elven features but she's also very tough looking.

 

I was going to link you to the short undercut mod (my Lavellan's hair) but I see you're already aware of it.  There's a good skin texture mod that might work for her on the nexus.  It's based on Cass texture and would work well for a tougher character.  The BE doesn't work with skin texture mods installed so you'd have to go to the BE, select the third skin texture, leave and then install the mod.

Thankyou, both for the nice words and the thought to link me to the undercut mod! Solas thread threadgoers really are the nicest most thoughtful folk around.

 

I'll have a look for this skin texture mod, but in case I don't find it, I don't suppose you have a link to hand? I'll def give it a try! I'm not done tweaking her yet. Cheers for the advice on using it as well. 

 

I am genuinely stoked everybody thinks she's good-looking, it's lovely of you all and nice to see appreciation for characters that aren't aesthetically pleasing in the traditional way. Also the feedback is ace. Still, I am aiming for a certain look (essentially not pretty) so I'll probably see what else I can do with her to make her less aesthetically pleasing without verging into the realm of comically or cartoonishly ugly. Slightly larger nose, bit smaller eyes perhaps - that might do the trick!

 

@Dustytulip - thank you! And don't worry I wouldn't consider sharing our Lavellans too far offtopic at all, especially if they're Solavellan Lavellans. Have at it. I'm catching up on the recent pages now and am psyched to see everyone's Quizzes . :3

[Vlk3]

I don't think Solas gave the orb to Corypheus or anyone just wishing that they would do something good with it. He knew that unlocking it would most likely kill the one who would attempt to do it. I do wonder however if there's a way to unlock the orb without causing an explosion (Solas tells Flemeth that he was to weak to unlock it - so the original plan was probably that he would do it himself). Anyway, he says to Inquisitor that he didn't realize that one could survive such explosion, He's clearly very upset and puzzled with Corypheus' survival.

 

I bet the Inquisitor will learn that the orb belonged to Solas. It will be up to us to decide how we react to it. My canon Lavellan would forgive anything, the other one however... I very much hope so that we'll get to help Solas. I wouldn't be surprised however if it would require abandoning the Inquisition. I  get the feeling that the final DLC will somehow "end" the Inquisitor. Either by death, losing the Anchor or ...walking away to help Solas. Obviously I hope for the latter.

 

And since we're sharing our Lavellans (or other Inquisitor) I can't help but to share mine (I'm really attached to that lady).

 

Sol Lavellan (and I swear I came up with the name a year before Inquisition), age 25, rift mage, fire and lightning spells, sarcastic, very clever (and sometimes very annoying because of that); sceptical abut faith and gods,  pro-mage (obviously), recruited everyone to Inquisition ( including Storvacker)).

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[Solas]

 

Solas (ahaha your name is amazing) I love your quiz! She's fantastic 

Ahaha! the solas thread by solas he is his own #1 fan

and thanks very much!

 

Welcome back Lady Lionheart

[Janic99]

hey guys I need your help! I am still working on the ''centuries'' video o Solas, but my inspiration for it is lost for a while and that's why I will leave it to be until I will get more inspiration to continue making it.. so in a meanwhile I'd love to make some romantic Solavellan videos.. so if ya got any song recommendations (doesn't matter if it's just music on the backround or singing in the song) Just send to me  

[Solas]

I'm just realizing I completely missed the tarot card discussion.   Arrrgh. Backlog hates me.

Please still feel free to chime in with any thoughts that you have! Even if it's somewhat a repeat of what someone else has said, everyone's thoughts and opinions are of value and interest me.

 

@Everybody thank you for sharing your Lavellans! I really enjoyed looking through them. Elf chars are best chars! 

I forgot to share my mLavellan (rogue, dw), Sgian (Skee-an) - he's around 19-20, intended to look young/boyish, cute/adorable. He's an earnest, quiet, curious, gentle and really selfless & compassionate little guy, but clumsy, flighty, not-the-sharpest, overly trusting and socially awkward. Raw and untested, he's destined for Cassandra even though for much of the game he's more terrified of her than he is of the Breach/Cory, lol. After that he's all doe-eyed starry-eyed over her hahaha. Is very afraid a lot of the time and not very good at hiding it, tries to mask it with humor. Spends most of the game flying ****-scared by the seat of his pants, missing his mom a lot and deferring to Cass. Hates being in a leadership position and it's a big burden for his little shoulders. Poor little beb. He's the cheerful sort tho, optimistic. He's basically the polar opposite of my canon Gryff, lol.

 

may be changing his vallaslin type in the BE later, could never make up my mind which was best for him.

[Phalaenopsis]

It might be a bit late for that but here's my Róisín Lavellan (with a sweet Solas photobombing in the background...)!

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Now I realise that she looks a bit like Kelly Reilly...

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Congrats on all your amazing Lavellans!

[MoonDrummer]

Extremely off-topic, but dropping in to cheer for the U.S starting to catch up to the rest of the world   Yay for gay marriage!

Inb4 the south secedes. 

[lynroy]

Inb4 the south secedes. 

We've tried it once before.  Wouldn't put it past some loony to try it again.

 

Er...Solas something Solas.

[DarthEmpress]

My friend just tagged me in this lol (WARNING:  BOOTY!!!) http://hewdel.tumblr...quisition-solas

 

I think this artist likes naughty things lolololol which reminds me I should finish all my nsfw Solavellan sketches... hmm...

[Garnet]

I just read this interesting rant about frescoes and wanted to share! The video on how-to is really awesome. I kind of want to try this now..anyone have a spare wall for me to ruin?

Now leaving the last one unfinished seems even sadder.

 

^^^ *snort* That's for messing with the fresco! 

[Solas]

10/10 read, reblogged

[Garnet]

10/10 read, reblogged

 

I'm always late to the party. :x