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[RynJ]

This.

 

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Believe this came from here.

 

 

Also, to keep this elves...and Solas.....and...

 

I think the statement "the one who started it all" is way to vague. "All" needs to be defined before any finger pointing begins. And there are several "All"s in the world of Thedas that have people looking around going "WTF?!?!"

 

Our dear Solas is terribly good at making epic mistakes....but surely not all of the problems in Thedas are his doing.If they are, WTF Bioware! Cut this character some slack!

 

On another note. I would also be pleased to see June.

 

Forget it, just show me the entire pantheon in all their Blighted Ancient Elf glory.

 

You know, for how much we insist that Solas makes epic mistakes all the time, who's to say what would have happened if he hadn't locked up the elven gods. It wasn't for no reason and it seemed like things weren't going well when they were around. Who says it wouldn't be much, much worse if he hadn't? I'm sure we'll see them all again and I doubt the circumstances of it will be good in the least. Then again, I'm really not certain he plans on just letting the gods go just like that even though many seem to think he will. That seems like it'd be a very stupid plan.

[MayriyaNoori]

You know, for how much we insist that Solas makes epic mistakes all the time, who's to say what would have happened if he hadn't locked up the elven gods. It wasn't for no reason and it seemed like things weren't going well when they were around. Who says it wouldn't be much, much worse if he hadn't? I'm sure we'll see them all again and I doubt the circumstances of it will be good in the least. Then again, I'm really not certain he plans on just letting the gods go just like that even though many seem to think he will. That seems like it'd be a very stupid plan.

True. At this point I think the Solas making epic mistakes is more of a joke than serious.

 

I'm also more inclined to thinking that the elven gods being released is going to be a side effect of his upcoming plans....not what he is actually trying to do.

[RynJ]

True. At this point I think the Solas making epic mistakes is more of a joke than serious.

 

I'm also more inclined to thinking that the elven gods being released is going to be a side effect of his upcoming plans....not what he is actually trying to do.

 

I've made that joke too! But there are people who do seem to think that everything he does was bad and for bad reasons. I've seen locking away the elven gods cited as one of those things and when I think about it, I start to doubt it.

 

Guess we'll just have to wait and see. That inevitable DLC is going to be the death of us. 

[Cee]

You know, for how much we insist that Solas makes epic mistakes all the time, who's to say what would have happened if he hadn't locked up the elven gods. It wasn't for no reason and it seemed like things weren't going well when they were around. Who says it wouldn't be much, much worse if he hadn't? I'm sure we'll see them all again and I doubt the circumstances of it will be good in the least. Then again, I'm really not certain he plans on just letting the gods go just like that even though many seem to think he will. That seems like it'd be a very stupid plan.

 

This. Because it's a matter of the Dalish vilifying him and exaggerations and some of what we can absorb from Solas himself. Solas is hiding, he's deliberate, he's very careful in his wording. Except when there's strong emotion involved, but that's not necessarily a character flaw, it's just a barrier to hiding/maintaining a necessary distance.

 

He cares very, very deeply. In that banter I mentioned earlier, Cole says he did it to save them. Solas calls it a mistake when the Inquisitor asks. But he's also appalled and regretful over the outcome, over the circumstances. I jokingly call him the God of Bad PR for reasons. He feels that he made a mistake somewhere. Or yes,more than once - obviously Corypheus being a presumed victim once he unlocked the orb was quite a big miss. But, deep down, he cares...a lot. I think a few people may miss that. I don't think we're done with the 'spin' over the pantheon or Fen'Harel.

 

But whatever stirred him into action seems to have felt necessary to require such an act which took all of that preparation and power to pull off. So yes, based on that and based on the bits we have about the pantheon and Elvhen society, it wasn't all sweet and magical.

 

I want, whatever happens in the end, for Solas to have some peace. Maybe even to see Fen'Harel's name cleared at least to some degree.

[Ulv Elskeren]

In the past they've released DLC about every three months, so the next one should be out in July if they're following that pattern. I think that one will be the Deep Roads/Dwarven lore/Grey Warden one (if you check out the Twitter thread in Scuttlebutt the devs are currently crunching on something!).

 

*hopes raised a notch or two*

 

Sweet!  It's about time.

 

The idea of heading back to the deep roads makes me nervous, though.  Playing through ME threw a lot of DA things out of perspective, including the Architect's plans.  There are obvious thematic parallels, right?  Cycle after cycle of Makers creating Order-bound servants that inevitably rebel: the fall of Arlathan, the Qunari, even the Gods themselves.  

 

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Unlike a lot of people, I was totally satisfied with the way ME3 ended.  Synthesis was perfect for my heavily Paragon-leaning Shepard: a final sacrifice to break the cycle once and for all.  But then I started thinking... how different is the Synthesis option, really, from the Architect's proposal in DA?  Why does the first feel perfectly justifiable and the other abhorrent?  

 

One argument is that even if Synthesis was a control mechanism, there was no longer anyone holding the leash.  Assuming the Reapers were the source of indoctrination, they no longer had a reason to influence synthetic/organic hybrids- so for practical purposes at least, the exercise of free will was preserved. I'm not sure the same holds true in DA, though.  Darkspawn are utterly enthralled, yes.  They're the Reaper parallel.  But Magisters and Wardens that succumb to the taint... do they really have free will?  Or just the illusion of it- just enough to tempt the untainted into thinking Synthesis is a viable solution?

 

...I just don't know anymore.  I love EDI and Legion, but I'm starting to wonder whether they weren't Order's most subtle and effective means of indoctrination.  If you buy that they truly have free will- that they can choose for themselves and it's not "just programming" - then Synthesis makes sense.  But then you have to explain how they were able to break free, able to change, while Starchild and the Reapers are trapped by the boundaries of their programming.

 

*facepalms, shakes a fist in the vague direction of Edmonton*

[Illyria]

I think we're overdue:

 

From http://liberaquantob...st/121501636958

 

 

And I saw this set she posted of Sera and damn.

 

BRB, rolling my Seramancing Qunari.

[Cee]

ME stuff

 

since some in here are still playing

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I'm enjoying this discussion. Let me say that I did choose Synthesis. My Shepard was all about growth and learning and trusting others and she actively stopped genocide multiple times (let's ignore those Batarians for a moment), so Destroy was out since it would be genocide to her based on those beliefs you mentioned. Control was also out because freedom/free will, and who knows what the effects might be. Synthesis was then everyone benefiting from all the learning that came before, breaking the barriers, and achieving a greater understanding through space magic. Okay, I can live with that better. I think this is made to be more benevolent than the Darkspawn taint. I can see your angle and those who say this was Saren's solution but I think it's the kinder, gentler version and one that ends the cycle, ends the threat. There is a huge difference here. Just because everyone's a little bit of both doesn't mean races or cultures disappear into one big melting pot of sentient ooze.

 

[Solas]

he's just the god of dungoofin thats all   second only to purple hawke's escapades

[MayriyaNoori]

This. Because it's a matter of the Dalish vilifying him and exaggerations and some of what we can absorb from Solas himself. Solas is hiding, he's deliberate, he's very careful in his wording. Except when there's strong emotion involved, but that's not necessarily a character flaw, it's just a barrier to hiding/maintaining a necessary distance.

 

He cares very, very deeply. In that banter I mentioned earlier, Cole says he did it to save them. Solas calls it a mistake when the Inquisitor asks. But he's also appalled and regretful over the outcome, over the circumstances. I jokingly call him the God of Bad PR for reasons. He feels that he made a mistake somewhere. Or yes,more than once - obviously Corypheus being a presumed victim once he unlocked the orb was quite a big miss. But, deep down, he cares...a lot. I think a few people may miss that. I don't think we're done with the 'spin' over the pantheon or Fen'Harel.

 

But whatever stirred him into action seems to have felt necessary to require such an act which took all of that preparation and power to pull off. So yes, based on that and based on the bits we have about the pantheon and Elvhen society, it wasn't all sweet and magical.

 

I want, whatever happens in the end, for Solas to have some peace. Maybe even to see Fen'Harel's name cleared at least to some degree.

Can you imagine if the bad name of Fen'harel was caused by some existing current day organization? Like, let's say the Chantry or something...which is kind of possible since it is implied that the meaning of Fen'harel didn't appear to be negative until the Towers Age. Now hold on, bear with me.

 

Imagine the modern day elves finding out which modern day organization that poured out the bad press to make Fen'harel out to be evil in order to keep elves from joining together and rebelling against humans or something. Fen'harel's name gets cleared up and all modern day Dalish join forces under a Fen'harel banner to take on said organization.

 

It would be epic. I don't think it will happen. But it would be epic.

[Ulv Elskeren]

since some in here are still playing

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I'm enjoying this discussion. Let me say that I did choose Synthesis. My Shepard was all about growth and learning and trusting others and she actively stopped genocide multiple times (let's ignore those Batarians for a moment), so Destroy was out since it would be genocide to her based on those beliefs you mentioned. Control was also out because freedom/free will, and who knows what the effects might be. Synthesis was then everyone benefiting from all the learning that came before, breaking the barriers, and achieving a greater understanding through space magic. Okay, I can live with that better. I think this is made to be more benevolent than the Darkspawn taint. I can see your angle and those who say this was Saren's solution but I think it's the kinder, gentler version and one that ends the cycle, ends the threat. There is a huge difference here. Just because everyone's a little bit of both doesn't mean races or cultures disappear into one big melting pot of sentient ooze.

 

 

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That touches on a critical side point, actually.  Darkspawn have as much free will as the Reaper-controlled Geth.  None.

 

Still, like a lot of Paragons, I chose to overwrite their programming rather than destroy the Geth entirely.   The DA parallel, of course, is the Architect negating the Darkspawn complusion ("programming") with Warden blood.  But while the option to destroy the Geth feels like genocide, wiping out the Darkspawn somehow doesn't.

 

Clearly part of that is exposure to Legion and EDI.  I think to most players, they represent a more palatable "end result" than the Architect or the Mother, which is just human nature at work.  (It's easy to gather support to save an adorable panda, but if the species on the brink of extinction were some kind of parastic flatworm?  Good luck little guy.)  It's also hard to overlook that the origin of the Darkspawn's conflict with humanity was aggressive, not defensive, in nature.

 

Still, in terms of "is it genocide or not?" the factors above ought to be irrelevant.  If a race is sentient, then wiping them out is genocide.  But how much weight do we give the possibility of sentience?  If the Geth can achieve sentience and free will, do we have a moral obligation to promote that end?  If the Darkspawn can achieve sentience and free will... do we have the same moral obligation?

 

And of course, from the other side:  if you don't believe tainted beings can attain true free will (which was my perspective while playing DA) how can I justify choosing Synthesis in ME?

 

*buries her head in her hands*

 

Goddamnit Gaider, I just wanted to play a game.

[myahele]

I am guessing that whatever the Elvhen gods did was much better than the current system: People dying of age and sickness, the killing of ancient beings and the disrespect spirits.

 

Given the information we've got, I think that he was always supposed to be reawakened when his people were threatened, but either his followers betrayed him and took power for themselves or said followers were killed between the sealing of the gods and Tevinter's conquest. Eitherway, the relics (Mask of Fen'harel?) to call upon him were lost and Fen'harel's was villified.

[Elessara]

I am guessing that whatever the Elvhen gods did was much better than the current system: People dying of age and sickness, the killing of ancient beings and the disrespect spirits.

 

 

Without knowing how the elves were immortal or how they lost their immortality, we can't be sure if it was something the elven gods did.  Also, unless there were a LOT of wars then the birthrate for elves had to be really low.  Otherwise you'd get overpopulation because no one dies of old age or disease.  And you get information from Solas that the elves weren't really nice people, what with the slavery thing and all.

[Elda]

If (and that's a big if) the speculation for the next and "last" DLC holds true, I really don't think it will be as simple as "There's a problem, fix it. There's the bad guy, kill it/him/her. OMG it's ______! Choice: kill or join?" This is Bioware were talking about and I would be feel cheated if the story was that simple. More likely, it will be suggested by the story that Solas could be "the one who started it all" but then events will guide us further down the rabbit hole into places that show us truths we never expected. There's my hopes and dreams in a nutshell anyway.

[Kukuru]

I was wondering to create a dalish rogue or a Lavellan Inquisitor, romance Solas and drink from the Well.

 

Is a character i dislike, too close minded, but i think it would be a nice state to keep.

[Sifr]

If (and that's a big if) the speculation for the next and "last" DLC holds true, I really don't think it will be as simple as "There's a problem, fix it. There's the bad guy, kill it/him/her. OMG it's ______! Choice: kill or join?" This is Bioware were talking about and I would be feel cheated if the story was that simple. More likely, it will be suggested by the story that Solas could be "the one who started it all" but then events will guide us further down the rabbit hole into places that show us truths we never expected. There's my hopes and dreams in a nutshell anyway.

 

The real fear I have is how Bioware seems to be simplifying things lately in their story-telling, that rather than the multitude of choices, we're now given two choices that end up leading to the same result and ultimately mean nothing because of it?

 

Part of what I loved about DA2 was there was no real "right" solution because often the situation was extremely complicated, but Inquistion often seemed to make solving the massive political and societal issues in Thedas far too easy to fix, which cheapened them and made it feel less of a challenge.

 

We need more Wrex style scenarios like in Mass Effect, where his survival lead to the Krogan arc playing out very differently in the end... or how everyone who died stayed dead (barring Shepard) and that those deaths meant something in terms of the story and how it played out.

 

If this is the last DLC we're getting for Inquisition, I really hope that whatever choices we get to make in it will have far-reaching consequences that will change the course of the next games, rather than being consigned to things that are kept offscreen, ignored or swept under the carpet again?

[laurelinvanyar]

On how far-reaching Bioware will allow our choices to be: it depends on how many games they plan on making in sequence. Part of the problems they've run into after just 3 games is how to build a cohesive story while taking into account everybody's worldstate. I believe Gaider has even publicly regretted making the Dark Ritual an option in DAO just because of continuity problems in later games. 

 

Even with a sort of "hard reset" by sending us to Tevinter in DA4, there are still cameos to juggle and some fairly major changes to take into account. It's part of why I don't think Solavellan fans are going to get a super special romance-only ending that differs greatly from non-romance endings. Solas is too major a player to have an open-ended arc. 

[Elessara]

On how far-reaching Bioware will allow our choices to be: it depends on how many games they plan on making in sequence. Part of the problems they've run into after just 3 games is how to build a cohesive story while taking into account everybody's worldstate. I believe Gaider has even publicly regretted making the Dark Ritual an option in DAO just because of continuity problems in later games. 

 

Even with a sort of "hard reset" by sending us to Tevinter in DA4, there are still cameos to juggle and some fairly major changes to take into account. It's part of why I don't think Solavellan fans are going to get a super special romance-only ending that differs greatly from non-romance endings. Solas is too major a player to have an open-ended arc. 

 

I suppose it depends.  If BioWare decides to follow the "new protagonist every game" that they have thus far then it is entirely possible that the Inquisitor, friend or LI, can choose to help Solas in his endeavors (whatever they may be).  Or maybe Solas kills the Inquisitor or the Inquisitor remains with the Inquisition because if the next game goes to Tevinter, the Inquisition has no power base and possibly no diplomatic ties there and it's highly unlikely you'd even see the Inquisitor at all even in a cameo.  Then at that point you could get codex entries saying "the Herald of Andraste continues to lead the inquisition" or "like the previous Inquisitor, the Herald of Andraste mysteriously disappeared".

 

And obviously the above doesn't have a special romance-only ending but it still leaves the possibility of getting back together with him.  I suppose it's kind of similar to a Witch Hunt ending but how many options could there be?  Help, don't help, try to kill?  Given the hopeful continuity of the game series, as you said they can't give too many options.

 

Also, sorry if I seem to be rambling but I have like 3 people talking to me while we're trying to play a different game and pay attention to these forums lol.

[Caddius]

Avvar: *looms* Talk to us about Tyrdda Bright-Axe.

*dies laughing and cheering*

I haven't been on the forum because I've been too busy screaming, "Go Ruth and SCOTUS companions, go go go!" 

I figure Canada can only make fun of us for a few decades or so before we gang up on someone else for being slow to wise up. 

[Garnet]

I'm being way too optimistic here, but maybe Solas will end up back in the party when whatever he needs to do is over. Maybe Quizzy will help everything get resolved and we can have him back post-game. And we'll get our make-out with Solas button!   Just holding out a small amount of hope for a happy ending for Solas.  Go team optimism! *wave flag* I'd also be satisfied with a tragic ending. (Which seems more likely with the way the actual game ended.) Either way, I'm really looking forward to whatever is coming our way with his story. 

 

screenshots!

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[Caddius]

Unfortunately that's all just speculation right now (as noted in the article).  And to be honest I don't particularly like the phrase "the one who started it all" because we already defeated Corypheus who really was the one who started the whole conflict in Inquisition.  If we take that phrase to mean Solas, he certainly had a role in the events but Corypheus was the driving force behind the corruption of the Wardens, the Red Templars, the Venatori, etc.

*cough* The Executors *cough*

I mean, probably not.

But maybe.

[CapricornSun]

I'll just leave these here... Art!

 

Baking - Part 2. (Part 1 here.)

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Source: http://lillotte17.tu...itary-guys-part

 

 

You don't get out of this so easily.

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Source: http://makeramidying...-this-so-easily

 

 

Dorian busts out some sick jams. Solas greatly disapproves.

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Source: http://thetevinterso...s-solas-greatly

 

 

Happy Self-insert Weekend.

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Source: http://ioanaartblog....ecided-to-treat

 

 

The elven artifact detector.

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Source: http://mynoodlesdood...ing-thats-a-new

 

 

[Junebug]

Hallo, falon! I come bearing arts (or one piece of art): Vietnamese!Solas

 

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[Janic99]

Yeah, I picked that too.

 

Never mind Solas, the whole situation gave me all the feels.  My Lavellan never wanted any of this either.  She's naturally a rather shy person who hates the spotlight and especially the pseudo-divinity ascribed to her.  But like Ameridan, there was no one else, and she couldn't forswear the duty of the Inquisitor.  She is trapped by it, surely as the spell binding Ameridan.  And while she's come to grips with it by the end of Inquisition, I think there will always be a difference between someone who answered the call willingly, and someone who had no choice.

I also chose it I had also Solas with me there and that scene was killing me..From the beginning I felt like that she did not wish to be called the ''herald of andraste'' and she really hated that just because of a random mark on her hand everyone is assuming things  and she has to be the ''hero'' to save the world. I feel like all of it was frightening to her.. but then she met Solas who... from the beginning started guiding her on the right route and she eventually fell in love with him,, till he broke her heart and just left with no explanation which he promised to her. I truly wish the dlc will be made well..

[Janic99]

I believe that "the one who started it all" means Solas because he started the whole breach thing and most likely sealed the elven gods away. If that DLC is the last one then it makes sense that Solas' story is completed in that. I believe that there is enough time to accomplish that. Actually I'm not sure who else could be the one who started it all.  I think it also makes sense that the Solas situation is solved in that DLC because it seems that there is a possibility to destroy inquisition or save it and the next DA game has a different protagonist.

Exactly because he willingly gave the orb as Flemeth says in the end and he does not even deny it. He did not need to give it to Cory. Even if Cory had planned it all already.. we all know his main goal and he wouldn't have been able to do anything without the orb.. plus we do not exactly know what happened in the past with the elves.. why the gods got sealed away etc. What happened? We do not know... but we do know that if Solas hadn't given the orb to cory. The mark would not have appeared on inkys hand. There would be no breach and therefore there would not have been this kind of story.. so Solas did ''start it all'' plus it makes sense as you say because they left the ending so open.. Solas is going to act.. he is going to do something... he took the power of mythal... we do not know what he is going to do.. but he definetely is going to do something which leads to the fact that inky and other companions are going to go seek for him (I think by not knowing that the one they are seeking is Solas) and when they find him.. everything for lavellan could be made clear.. finally. I am just assuming and also hoping this. I want to know the dread wolf's plan. 

[Caddius]

I'm still thinking that 'the one who started it all' doesn't refer to Solas, necessarily. To me, it seems that something went horribly wrong with the elven gods, and he's the one who scrambled to salvage the situation. His desperate game of improv has lead to a lot of tragedy, but he wasn't 'behind' Corypheus's plan to assault the heavens anymore than he was (probably) the architect of Arlathan's fall. There were other factors in play besides him.

I'm hoping that it's the Executors, or whatever they're waiting for. The force behind the Blight that corrupted Corypheus and the Architect and the rest, the force that corrupted the Creators, the force that manipulated dreams to escape the Black City. Now that sounds like 'the one who started it all'.

But maybe I'm crazy and it is supposed to be Solas. *shrug*