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[Abelas Forever!]

Well... if it would be like on meet joe black mine would probably choose Fen'Harel (If it's that Fen'Harel is controlling his body) but if it's Solas who is the one that is saying all of the things etc. Then him.. but honestly. I only think that it is a possibility... sort of like Flemeth but... I don't know if it's really one of my biggest speculations.. I highly think that it might not be that way. Would be kind of cool though... 

I could just imagine this scene happening if it was Fen'Harel using Solas' body ( changing some of the conversation ) I mean.. how heartbreaking it would be that Lavellan is in love with this person called ''Solas'' as it is when in fact he is Fen'Harel.. just using Solas' body.... just... can't... the pain :

I haven't seen the movie so I don't know what happens in that video. It looks like he is going to leave and never come back  

 

 I'm not sure how likely that possession thing is but it made me thinking which one would I choose if  I would have to choose. Or maybe I would keep them both Or maybe I would just create a lot of Lavellans who would make different choices unless the other one of them isn't in love with my Lavellan. I think it would be a difficult decision if both Solas and Fen'Harel are in love with my Lavellan. Although I would propably choose the one who said al those nice things to my Lavellan because that person is the one my Lavellan is in love with. Unless they both said nice things to her..

[MayriyaNoori]

Well... if it would be like on meet joe black mine would probably choose Fen'Harel (If it's that Fen'Harel is controlling his body) but if it's Solas who is the one that is saying all of the things etc. Then him.. but honestly. I only think that it is a possibility... sort of like Flemeth but... I don't know if it's really one of my biggest speculations.. I highly think that it might not be that way. Would be kind of cool though... 

I could just imagine this scene happening if it was Fen'Harel using Solas' body ( changing some of the conversation ) I mean.. how heartbreaking it would be that Lavellan is in love with this person called ''Solas'' as it is when in fact he is Fen'Harel.. just using Solas' body.... just... can't... the pain :



*edit: We could somehow imagine this as the scene just modified when Solas dumps lavellan though... 

*melts*

 

I don't know if I could handle that. It will be all the more heartbreaking for me if this ends up being the case because I'm on the Solas is the original Fen'Harel bandwagon. I do see the possibility though....and it scares me.

 

I can also kinda see Brad Pitt in this bald and with elf ears making a pretty decent Solas.

 

*sigh*

[Abelas Forever!]

Nothing I can think of suggests that Solas is anything but Fen'Harel going by a new chosen name but if so, it would matter who was in control of the mind. Which would appear to just be Fen'Harel if this is a possession case. But that might be one thing that makes me drop the romance. Something about it bothers me a lot.

I find possession interesting. If it's Fen'Harel who is in love with my PC instead of Solas then I would continue romancing him because in that case he would have been the one to whom my Lavellans fell in love with.

 

Edit: Now that I thought more about the possession it started to bother me. I mean it probably isn't very nice to Solas if Fen'Harel makes him do things he don't want to. Poor Solas.

Modifié par SilentShadows, 30 juin 2015 - 06:47 .

[Sah291]

Edit: Now that I thought more about the possession it started to bother me. I mean it probably isn't very nice to Solas if Fen'Harel makes him do things he don't want to. Poor Solas.

It would probably bother Fen'Harel too, being a god that doesn't like slavery and all. Puts another spin on the whole Abelas/well of sorrows scene. Also another alternative explanation for why he longs for the veil to go away, if the gods could only ever enter the world and interact with mortals through vessels. Also why he is fascinated by what Cole did. Or why he takes Lavellan somewhere the veil is thin when he wants to tell her who he really is.

But I'm not sold either way. Solas tells Cole at one point in a banter that he isn't a spirit. But he could have been lying or not telling the whole truth.

I've also toyed with the idea of the Inquisitor being a spirit without knowing it. Depends what the anchor is I guess. She glows like a fade spirit. It is ambiguous how exactly she survived the conclave explosion. Solas oddly refers to her spirit (when he asks if the anchor changed her). He worries about distracting her from her "purpose" when they break up. Cole innocently wonders if she should have Solas bind her too during his personal quest. But that's that's all just a stretch...gives me a headache thinking about it.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Can the Inq move on to any other potential LI after Solas dumps her?


The options ofc being Blackwall, Cullen, Josie, Bull or Sera.

[MayriyaNoori]

It would probably bother Fen'Harel too, being a god that doesn't like slavery and all. Puts another spin on the whole Abelas/well of sorrows scene. Also another alternative explanation for why he longs for the veil to go away, if the gods could only ever enter the world and interact with mortals through vessels. Also why he is fascinated by what Cole did. Or why he takes Lavellan somewhere the veil is thin when he wants to tell her who he really is.

But I'm not sold either way. Solas tells Cole at one point in a banter that he isn't a spirit. But he could have been lying or not telling the whole truth.

I've also toyed with the idea of the Inquisitor being a spirit without knowing it. Depends what the anchor is I guess. She glows like a fade spirit. It is ambiguous how exactly she survived the conclave explosion. Solas oddly refers to her spirit (when he asks if the anchor changed her). He worries about distracting her from her "purpose" when they break up. Cole innocently wonders if she should have Solas bind her too during her personal quest. But that's that's all just a stretch...gives me a headache thinking about it.

Solas can also call Lavellan a "rare and marvelous spirit" in the break up scene. I also always found it odd the way he hesitates asking about the Inquisitor's "spirit" in the balcony scene.

 

I think I read somewhere way back a theory that Solas may have summoned a spirit to help to Inquisitor survive. Wish I knew who posted it or where I read it because it was an interesting idea that wouldn't floor me if it were true. I mean, of all people to know that kind of remedy, Solas would know how and what to do.

 

I do find the idea fascinating.

[Patchwork]

It would probably bother Fen'Harel too, being a god that doesn't like slavery and all. Puts another spin on the whole Abelas/well of sorrows scene. Also another alternative explanation for why he longs for the veil to go away, if the gods could only ever enter the world and interact with mortals through vessels. Also why he is fascinated by what Cole did. Or why he takes Lavellan somewhere the veil is thin when he wants to tell her who he really is.

But I'm not sold either way. Solas tells Cole at one point in a banter that he isn't a spirit. But he could have been lying or not telling the whole truth.

I've also toyed with the idea of the Inquisitor being a spirit without knowing it. Depends what the anchor is I guess. She glows like a fade spirit. It is ambiguous how exactly she survived the conclave explosion. Solas oddly refers to her spirit (when he asks if the anchor changed her). He worries about distracting her from her "purpose" when they break up. Cole innocently wonders if she should have Solas bind her too during her personal quest. But that's that's all just a stretch...gives me a headache thinking about it.

 

The Inquisitor has the Maker spirit lurking inside them!

[dawnstone]

Can the Inq move on to any other potential LI after Solas dumps her?


The options ofc being Blackwall, Cullen, Josie, Bull or Sera.

No, you have to break up with him first, or your character is locked in permanently.

[Caddius]

Solas can also call Lavellan a "rare and marvelous spirit" in the break up scene. I also always found it odd the way he hesitates asking about the Inquisitor's "spirit" in the balcony scene.

 

I think I read somewhere way back a theory that Solas may have summoned a spirit to help to Inquisitor survive. Wish I knew who posted it or where I read it because it was an interesting idea that wouldn't floor me if it were true. I mean, of all people to know that kind of remedy, Solas would know how and what to do.

 

I do find the idea fascinating.

And while there's the possible explanation of subverted expectations of modern-day people, he does seem suspiciously concerned during the Balcony scene. So either he knows that the Orb can change people, or he is wondering how much of the Inquisitor is mortal and how much is spirit, if this theory holds true.

It's quite interesting to think about.

[NightSymphony]

*sniffles* I love "Meet Joe Black". One of my favorite movies...makes me cry every time.

 

Oh I hope Mr. Weekes has never seen that movie!!!

[teh DRUMPf!!]

No, you have to break up with him first, or your character is locked in permanently.

Pupu.

[Gervaise]

It could be more of a case that instead of being possessed by a spirit, the Inquisitor is becoming more spirit (a sort of reverse Cole situation).    Cole says they are "too bright" for him to view like he does the other companions and in JoH the Auger tells us that the spirits are fascinated by the Inquisitor and are drawn to them.     Already we can do things with the Fade that seem more spirit like.   As time progresses we seem to be acquiring more powers associated with the anchor and all are connected in some way to the Fade.    I wonder if that is what will ultimately happen to the Inquisitor; they will simply fade and become pure spirit.   

[MayriyaNoori]

And while there's the possible explanation of subverted expectations of modern-day people, he does seem suspiciously concerned during the Balcony scene. So either he knows that the Orb can change people, or he is wondering how much of the Inquisitor is mortal and how much is spirit, if this theory holds true.

It's quite interesting to think about.

Not to mention that he says "I see you for what you truly are" in the break up scene, now sure this could be all romantic...but it's Solas....and he says this right before he loses the nerve to tell her "the Truth" which at this point who really knows what the full truth of it all is.

 

I have also wondered if Solas took Lavellan to a place where the Veil is thin to make it easier to prove what he is going to say to her, whatever the full story is.

[Sable Rhapsody]

I wonder if that is what will ultimately happen to the Inquisitor; they will simply fade and become pure spirit.   

 

Or maybe quizzy could become like the Avatar in LoK/AtLA: someone who exists strongly in both the Fade and the physical realm, a bridge between worlds.  The Anchor is basically a big green plot coupon at this point; its intended purpose (opening/closing rifts and physically walking the Fade) is probably a tiny fraction of its true potential.

[MisterJB]

There is this line right at the beginning of the game.
"Cassandra, your prisioner is not a mage. Indeed, I can't imagine any mage having such power." or "Your prisioner is a mage but I can't imagine any mage having acess to this kind of magic." to which Cass respond with "Understood."

 

I wonder if he was merely stating a fact or subtly asking Cassandra to not undergo witch hunts.

[The Baconer]

There is this line right at the beginning of the game.
"Cassandra, your prisioner is not a mage. Indeed, I can't imagine any mage having such power." or "Your prisioner is a mage but I can't imagine any mage having acess to this kind of magic." to which Cass respond with "Understood."

 

I wonder if he was merely stating a fact or subtly asking Cassandra to not undergo witch hunts.

 

Both, probably.

[MayriyaNoori]

There is this line right at the beginning of the game.
"Cassandra, your prisioner is not a mage. Indeed, I can't imagine any mage having such power." or "Your prisioner is a mage but I can't imagine any mage having acess to this kind of magic." to which Cass respond with "Understood."
 
I wonder if he was merely stating a fact or subtly asking Cassandra to not undergo witch hunts.

Lines like this is where I believe we see the cunning side of Fen'Harel. it's like he is planting a seeds to guide a person's train of thought to go whre he wants it to go. I mean, I'm sure Solas is totally capable of imagining a mage with the power of the Anchor, he just probably wants Cassandra off the trail of "what kind of mage/magic could this involve?" Especiqlly Cassandra. She is called a Seeker after all.

In that same scene when the Inquisitor asks"How did you do that?" He replies with "I did nothing, the credit is yours." Yeah but not really. Yes, the mark is own quizzy's hand, but if Solas had not grabbed it and shown them what to do with the Inquisitor may have never figured it out. He is very quickly amd subtley dismissing the idea that he has any knowledge of how that thing works even though his actions state otherwise.

It's kind of funny, but in the first scene we probably see the cunning side of the Dread Wolf more than the rest of the game. This is also why Fen'Harel would have been a beast in Arlathan court. It's like Fen'Harel doesn't even need magic and he can subtley mind control you just with words.

[drosophila]

Lines like this is where I believe we see the cunning side of Fen'Harel. it's like he is planting a seeds to guide a person's train of thought to go whre he wants it to go. I mean, I'm sure Solas is totally capable of imagining a mage with the power of the Anchor, he just probably wants Cassandra off the trail of "what kind of mage/magic could this involve?" Especiqlly Cassandra. She is called a Seeker after all.

 

Yet after the attack on Haven, he reveals the Orb is elven and worries human will eventually blame elves for the Breach. I still don't understand his motivation behind that.

 

Did he think people would find out eventually and it's better to preemptively tell the Inquisitor to minimize damage done to the elves? I find that unlikely since 1) he shows overall little care for the elves of today and 2) in party banter Dorian tells Solas similar orbs were once owned by the ancient Dreamers of Tevinter. Given the general dislike for Tevinter and the Meat Dress being an ancient Tevinter magister, it seems much more likely people would think the orb came from Tevinter and blame it all on the Imperium. So why reveal this incriminating piece of information?

 

Was he touched by all the singing and decided he should tell the whole truth but then backed out like in the scene with the vallaslin? Perhaps but he's not the type to act on an impulse, I think even if he decided to tell the truth, he would think it through and tell the Inquisitor everything much later. 

[Illyria]

Some of his talk about "watching from the fade" might be explained by him being a somniari. We know from Feynriel in DA2 that he was able to watch a girl from the fade. Or if the theory that ancient elves were more spirit like is true, then the distinction might not be so clear cut...he could be both an ancient elf and a spirit, without being possessed in the usual way that the Chantry would think of it. So I don't know whether I've decided he's the actual Fen'Harel or possessed by him. I was unspoiled my first playthrough and before I got to the end, I had suspected he was possessed by a pride demon.

My canon Hawke romanced Anders and by the end of that game, I decided he didn't know where Anders ended and Justice began, but didn't really care...he loved the "whole person", whatever kind of creature he was. But out of all the spirit companions we've had so far they have mostly all been unique cases, so I'm not sure we really know much about how spirit possession works. Cole is a spirit who willed himself into mortal form without possessing anyone.

I guess for my Lavellan it would depend if he were still the same person she fell in love with or not. If he's possesed, we really don't know how much Fen'Harel is overriding his will. They could be merged like Flemeth/Mythal or aligned on whatever goal he has in mind. Or his memory could be Swiss cheese like rival Anders (Hopefully not!)

 

I think Weekes confirmed he's a Dreamer.

 

Team Lone Wolf!
 

[Sah291]

Yet after the attack on Haven, he reveals the Orb is elven and worries human will eventually blame elves for the Breach. I still don't understand his motivation behind that.
 
Did he think people would find out eventually and it's better to preemptively tell the Inquisitor to minimize damage done to the elves? I find that unlikely since 1) he shows overall little care for the elves of today and 2) in party banter Dorian tells Solas similar orbs were once owned by the ancient Dreamers of Tevinter. Given the general dislike for Tevinter and the Meat Dress being an ancient Tevinter magister, it seems much more likely people would think the orb came from Tevinter and blame it all on the Imperium. So why reveal this incriminating piece of information?
 
Was he touched by all the singing and decided he should tell the whole truth but then backed out like in the scene with the vallaslin? Perhaps but he's not the type to act on an impulse, I think even if he decided to tell the truth, he would think it through and tell the Inquisitor everything much later.

Well with an Elven Inquisitor its easy to think he's exploiting their fear of being turned on, in order to get them to do what he wants--which is to have Lavellan take control of the Inquisition as the leader, and to leverage that trust to help him find and take the orb back (which is what he really wants). Hence all the "our people" talk.

But he tells all Inquisitors. So dunno. Maybe he does it for the same reason. He just gets lucky if it's an elf and it is even easier.

Or maybe be really does genuinely care about the backlash hurting innocent people if it starts a holy war. No reason he can't both care, but also have his own agenda.

Or maybe he doesn't want to be executed when everyone finds out eventually (he has that line in the beginning about "hoping those in power remember who helped"). I'm sure the Inquisitor could probably rip a hole in him and send him to the void the way he/she does Corypheus. It seems like he expects to die at the end of the game for whatever reason...until the orb broke.

Either way I think he wants the Inquisitor on his side, and building trust is the best way to go about doing that. He does want to stop Corypheus. The Inquisitor is his best shot.

[ChuChu]

It would probably bother Fen'Harel too, being a god that doesn't like slavery and all. Puts another spin on the whole Abelas/well of sorrows scene. Also another alternative explanation for why he longs for the veil to go away, if the gods could only ever enter the world and interact with mortals through vessels. Also why he is fascinated by what Cole did. Or why he takes Lavellan somewhere the veil is thin when he wants to tell her who he really is.

But I'm not sold either way. Solas tells Cole at one point in a banter that he isn't a spirit. But he could have been lying or not telling the whole truth.

I've also toyed with the idea of the Inquisitor being a spirit without knowing it. Depends what the anchor is I guess. She glows like a fade spirit. It is ambiguous how exactly she survived the conclave explosion. Solas oddly refers to her spirit (when he asks if the anchor changed her). He worries about distracting her from her "purpose" when they break up. Cole innocently wonders if she should have Solas bind her too during his personal quest. But that's that's all just a stretch...gives me a headache thinking about it.

I like this train of thought a lot. 

It made me think -- you know when Solas says that the Elvhen gods might be something we've never encountered before? And the theories of how the veil was formed to separate the fade and the physical world? It's possible that the Elvhen gods are beings of both worlds -- spirit people, kind of. They are as much spirit as they are flesh. Not possessed, or anything -- they just are what they are.

And the lesser beings, the non-immortal elven people, humans, etc... they are divided as the world is divided. The spirit part of themselves is severed from their physical selves -- and this makes possession a lot easier by demons, to boot? Because they are missing a cog in the machine?  This would create a duality of sorts between the spirits wandering the fade, and the the people of Thedas.

 I like the theory that he may have required assistance from a spirit to help heal the Inquisitor from the conclave, too

 

[MayriyaNoori]

All this spirit talk made me realize that Cole doing his teleport around thing looks a lot like Flemythal showing up at the Mythal altar with the whole grey shadow mist stuff. And the same shadowy mist stuff in the epilogue scene.

 

In like 50-100 years if Cole had been any other kind of spirit he would be hardcore worshiped by some I think. But, he is compassion so he would just make anyone who tried to worship him forget.

 

Back to the idea of Solas gaining the assistance from a spirit of some sort to heal the Inquisitor I wonder what kind of spirit it could have been. He claims that spirits he "might" have consulted ran away when the breach happened. He may have had to summon something iffy. @.@

 

Quizzy could be possessed and not know. But Solas does. @.@

 

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[Caddius]

I like this train of thought a lot. 

It made me think -- you know when Solas says that the Elvhen gods might be something we've never encountered before? And the theories of how the veil was formed to separate the fade and the physical world? It's possible that the Elvhen gods are beings of both worlds -- spirit people, kind of. They are as much spirit as they are flesh. Not possessed, or anything -- they just are what they are.

And the lesser beings, the non-immortal elven people, humans, etc... they are divided as the world is divided. The spirit part of themselves is severed from their physical selves -- and this makes possession a lot easier by demons, to boot? Because they are missing a cog in the machine?  This would create a duality of sorts between the spirits wandering the fade, and the the people of Thedas.

 I like the theory that he may have required assistance from a spirit to help heal the Inquisitor from the conclave, too

 

My take on this line of thought: And if the Pantheon was like that, or Arlathani elves in general, then the Inquisitor's flailing and dying was a result of being fundamentally different from the beings that it was designed for and by. The Inquisitor's Operating System was incompatible, that kind of thing. Solas binds a spirit of some kind to the Inquisitor as a favor, making the Inquisitor slowly become more like the Arlathani. We go from 'unconscious for days' after the first attempt to seal the Breach, to 'whammied but awake' after the second, to 'I will open a giant portal to enter the Fade physically and then banish all the demons from Adamant with a flick of a wrist like the lickspittles they are'. All signs of the spirit-fusing progressing, which is why Solas checks in every now and then to see just how much it is affecting you. This would also help explain why even dwarf Inquisitors are able to walk the Fade and stumble across Solas Dreaming.

Corypheus is able to handle the Orb because the Blight is the twisted counterpart to Arlathani immortality, with the corruption itself serving as his (heh) anchor. I wonder if there's anything to Corypheus having to use ritual spells to make full use of the Orb, or if that's just for specific magic rather than 'I hope like hell this works'.

...I really like this line of thought.

[Sah291]

Back to the idea of Solas gaining the assistance from a spirit of some sort to heal the Inquisitor I wonder what kind of spirit it could have been. He claims that spirits he "might" have consulted ran away when the breach happened. He may have had to summon something iffy. @.@

 

Quizzy could be possessed and not know. But Solas does. @.@

 

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What kind of spirits were pouring out of the breach? Demons. OH no. 

 

I was just gonna say, he doesn't seem to expect to like the Inquisitor at first. He's surprised when you don't turn out to be what he thought. So kidding aside, maybe he did expect the Quizzy to possibly be something nefarious, but decided to take the risk. 

[Patchwork]

Solas has complicated feelings about modern elves but I do think he was a bit worried that they might be become an easy target for humans looking for someone to blame. 

 

But mostly it seemed like Solas was laying ground work to get his hands on the orb. If he hadn't said anything then research would have lead the Inquisition to believe that it's a relic of ancient Tevinter. By revealing a small fraction of what he knows about foci he makes himself valuable to the Inquisition. Once we reach Skyhold if asked he's the one who predicts Cory's every move.