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[Caddius]

Solas has complicated feelings about modern elves but I do think he was a bit worried that they might be become an easy target for humans looking for someone to blame. 

 

But mostly it seemed like Solas was laying ground work to get his hands on the orb. If he hadn't said anything then research would have lead the Inquisition to believe that it's a relic of ancient Tevinter. By revealing a small fraction of what he knows about foci he makes himself valuable to the Inquisition. Once we reach Skyhold if asked he's the one who predicts Cory's every move.  

I really love the contrast between,

"This could turn against us elves. I know of a place. We'll set it up so it looks like divine guidance *snicker* led you there. That way, they'll be slightly less likely to rake us elves over the coals when the Orb's origin comes out. Also, y'know, as the guy that's more of an ancient elf expert than a keeper's First, I should probably study it when we get our hands on it. You can help. But first, we got to fool the silly humans. Great lungs, but a little gullible."

and "My ancestors made this, and this guy is screwing it up. What a tosser. I know your people, they'll screw us up at the slightest chance. But I'm still willing to help you. I know of a place. We can continue the fight against Corypheus and end this before they start roasting elves in reprisal."

 

I love that Solas keeps pretending like he is just a humble hermit guessing what Cornflakes is doing and what he's after, and yet he gets every move right. Me thinks Corypheus reminds him of one of his old comrades, whether it was Falon'din or Geldauran. 

[MayriyaNoori]

My take on this line of thought: And if the Pantheon was like that, or Arlathani elves in general, then the Inquisitor's flailing and dying was a result of being fundamentally different from the beings that it was designed for and by. The Inquisitor's Operating System was incompatible, that kind of thing. Solas binds a spirit of some kind to the Inquisitor as a favor, making the Inquisitor slowly become more like the Arlathani. We go from 'unconscious for days' after the first attempt to seal the Breach, to 'whammied but awake' after the second, to 'I will open a giant portal to enter the Fade physically and then banish all the demons from Adamant with a flick of a wrist like the lickspittles they are'. All signs of the spirit-fusing progressing, which is why Solas checks in every now and then to see just how much it is affecting you. This would also help explain why even dwarf Inquisitors are able to walk the Fade and stumble across Solas Dreaming.

Corypheus is able to handle the Orb because the Blight is the twisted counterpart to Arlathani immortality, with the corruption itself serving as his (heh) anchor. I wonder if there's anything to Corypheus having to use ritual spells to make full use of the Orb, or if that's just for specific magic rather than 'I hope like hell this works'.

...I really like this line of thought.

 

The thought of that didn't even occur to me.

 

Okay I think we are stumbling into some deep, serious shite guys.

[dreadwoof]

Yet after the attack on Haven, he reveals the Orb is elven and worries human will eventually blame elves for the Breach. I still don't understand his motivation behind that.

 

Did he think people would find out eventually and it's better to preemptively tell the Inquisitor to minimize damage done to the elves? I find that unlikely since 1) he shows overall little care for the elves of today and 2) in party banter Dorian tells Solas similar orbs were once owned by the ancient Dreamers of Tevinter. Given the general dislike for Tevinter and the Meat Dress being an ancient Tevinter magister, it seems much more likely people would think the orb came from Tevinter and blame it all on the Imperium. So why reveal this incriminating piece of information?

 

Was he touched by all the singing and decided he should tell the whole truth but then backed out like in the scene with the vallaslin? Perhaps but he's not the type to act on an impulse, I think even if he decided to tell the truth, he would think it through and tell the Inquisitor everything much later. 

 

I think this is another point where the cunning nature of Fen'Harel surfaces. The scene purposely shows him walking with a confident gait, something which is uncharacteristic of the image of a quiet, reserved apostate. We see a new side of him.

 

The attack at Haven where the Inquisitor faces a self-proclaimed god and somehow manages to survive presents a crucial point in the forming of an influential power. The first sign is in the when a Chantry Mother and victims of a terrible battle start singing a song meant to inspire faith and hope. It's interesting that they show how Solas reacts to it: with a mystified, almost bemused expression on his face. I think that this is where he determines that this 'fledgling' organization has evolved into something much more formidable. World-changing.

 

So when he asks for 'a word', he is trying to make sure how far his goals and ambitions align with the new face of the Inquisition. Just how exactly they would react to hearing that the Orb is elven. To Solas, it's not so much that he worries for the well-being of the elves even though it's one of his main drives. It is that he needs to find out the personality and opinions of the Inquisitor. For Lavellan it might be even deeper. Perhaps he selfishly wants to hear her words, to weigh them against his. Regardless, he is testing the Inquisitor's nature.

 

Also hello wonderful people of this forum! I've read many, many interesting theories and speculations (and some gorgeous art jfc) which make me weep in joyful agony and so I decided to join in :]

[Caddius]

 

I always read that expression as:

" Hmm...Ah. Ahah.   "

 

Mayriya: I wouldn't freak out too much over it. Weekes' reaction to people asking him how the dwarf was in the Fade was a startled, "Oh, ****." 

[MayriyaNoori]

I always read that expression as:

" Hmm...Ah. Ahah.   "

 

Mayriya: I wouldn't freak out too much over it. Weekes' reaction to people asking him how the dwarf was in the Fade was a startled, "Oh, ****." 

Awww shucks I thought we caught something there. I mean, I guess the Anchor alone would be enough to let a dwarf dream/fade walk.

 

I still think the whole idea is cool. Guess we'll all just sit around some more and wait. And wait. For content. Story content. Something...anything.

 

Whenever I hear Sera say the whole "sittin' and waitin'" line on new play throughs I always think "Tell me about it."

[Cee]

 I think I read somewhere way back a theory that Solas may have summoned a spirit to help to Inquisitor survive. Wish I knew who posted it or where I read it because it was an interesting idea that wouldn't floor me if it were true. I mean, of all people to know that kind of remedy, Solas would know how and what to do.

 

I do find the idea fascinating.

 

In the Fade Haven scene, he mentions that the spirits weren't answering his call when the Inquisitor was dying and had been driven away by the Breach.

 

 

Nothing I can think of suggests that Solas is anything but Fen'Harel going by a new chosen name but if so, it would matter who was in control of the mind. Which would appear to just be Fen'Harel if this is a possession case. But that might be one thing that makes me drop the romance. Something about it bothers me a lot.

 

I agree. One, I don't want to see them repeat themselves. Mythal was murdered, which proved it capable and a wisp of her still survived and became housed in Flemeth. Good. I don't want to dilute the impact of this by turning the entire pantheon into shells.

 

Also Cole says he is not a spirit, though Solas does really like and appreciate the purity of purpose and simplicity of spirits. Maybe some slight envy.

 

Additionally, the body swap thing would just feel cheap. Solas, in many ways that we see much more clearly after our first playthrough is Fen'Harel and there's no reason to suspect otherwise. It would cheapen the entire thing if a repeat possession came to pass. Especially since Fen'Harel and Mythal were close, and likely in some form of collaboration.

 

 

 

[RynJ]

First USA dominating Germany in the World Cup and now there's possible teasing on Twitter about new DAI content. What a good night!

 

*Aggressively hopes for Solas DLC soon*

[MayriyaNoori]

Speaking of Solas on playthroughs past your first....I'm running around the Emerald Graves and Solas just said something like "This forest has changed much since I was last here."

 

I'm sitting here like  Really?!?! They put stuff like this in the game to troll us the second/third/etc time we play. Surely.

 

*takes out sheet of paper and writes down new question*

 

When was Solas last in the Emerald Graves?

 

*sigh*

 

The questions truly are never ending.

[Cee]

Once you know, on your second+ playthrough, the number of ways the writers dangled massive hints in front of your face becomes so apparent.

 

I almost looked up his necklace during my first playthrough out of curiosity, but I'm glad I didn't. I was accidentally spoiled on his identity but it happened right before the temple. I would have brought him to the temple anyway, because old elfy things and relevant companion, but if I had to get spoiled at any point, there was probably a good point since it was so late in the game.

 

I was not spoiled on the breakup and that scene though, so the feels were fully preserved. It probably made it worse knowing, actually, since I knew partly WHY he was standing there shattering both of their hearts into tiny pieces.

[Niamaduir]

Is there a video somewhere that gives you all of Cole's reactions to each race variation of the Inquisitor? I have a vague remembrance of what her says to a Dalish Inquisitor, but I don't remember what it was exactly. I have a theory percolating, but really want to see all the variations before I post.

 

And any DLC info would be great, but especially anything with Solas 

[Caddius]

Speaking of Solas on playthroughs past your first....I'm running around the Emerald Graves and Solas just said something like "This forest has changed much since I was last here."

 

I'm sitting here like  Really?!?! They put stuff like this in the game to troll us the second/third/etc time we play. Surely.

 

*takes out sheet of paper and writes down new question*

 

When was Solas last in the Emerald Graves?

 

*sigh*

 

The questions truly are never ending.

BLACKWALL: What are you talking about? I was here twenty years ago, and it looked just the same.

SOLAS: *awkward silence*

 

My favorite Solas moment, honestly. Such a simple screw-up. I wonder what the Emerald Graves looked like back then. Is he thinking Arlathan times, or Dales times?

 

       If only the game had a,

BLACKWALL: Many of you know me, Warden Blackwall-

CLAREL: ...I knew Warden Blackwall. But I don't know you. (Seriously, wasn't Clarel mentioned as having been Warden-Commander for a number of years? And Blackwall was the XO since at least the time of the Blight to the accident. All of the older Wardens should have freaked out on him.)

moment to counterbalance our two main lying liars that lie. 

[Cee]

This is one of my favorite Solas screw up moments:

 

 

 

Drink more, Solas. Even at the palace he's a bit more enthusiastic than one might reasonably expect. I found his "Hunt well!" a bit odd the first time.

[Caddius]

This is one of my favorite Solas screw up moments:

 

 

 

Drink more, Solas. Even at the palace he's a bit more enthusiastic than one might reasonably expect. I found his "Hunt well!" a bit odd the first time.

Makes me wonder how many empires rose and fell alongside Arlathan, and what he made of humanity's own empires. 

Also, that awkward stumble. 

[MayriyaNoori]

BLACKWALL: What are you talking about? I was here twenty years ago, and it looked just the same.

SOLAS: *awkward silence*

 

My favorite Solas moment, honestly. Such a simple screw-up. I wonder what the Emerald Graves looked like back then. Is he thinking Arlathan times, or Dales times?

 

       If only the game had a,

BLACKWALL: Many of you know me, Warden Blackwall-

CLAREL: ...I knew Warden Blackwall. But I don't know you. (Seriously, wasn't Clarel mentioned as having been Warden-Commander for a number of years? And Blackwall was the XO since at least the time of the Blight to the accident. All of the older Wardens should have freaked out on him.)

moment to counterbalance our two main lying liars that lie. 

I'm actually thinking Dales times. After he said that I thought about it and the big story behind a large part of that forest is the fact that the trees were planted as memorials to Emerald Knights right? Those trees would have had plenty of time to grow and spread since then.

 

And I know there is absolutely nothing to truly justify it but I think the Emerald Knights may have been an organization started by Fen'Harel. The wolf thing plus, if I remember right there are Fen'Harel looking statues inside the entrance to the Knights' Tomb. Plus the wolf statues all over the place in the Emerald Graves that look like the Fen'Harel statue in the temple of Mythal. In particular, there is one under a waterfall with a little note about something saying how they think magic is preserving it since the water should have eroded it long ago. We all love our pets, but making sure that a statue of them stays around is a bit much. But if your organization was lead/founded/inspired by Fen'Harel it makes total sense.

 

Plus, if I'm understanding timelines right with events, the Emerald Knights were founded before the whole Harel translation confusion we read about in the temple of Mythal which would mean that the Dalish elves of that time may have had an entirely different image of Fen'Harel and may have actually loved the Rebel Wolf. Especially if he had anything to do with the time of Andraste and helping the elves get the Dales in the first place. So I think it would be very fitting that the Emerald Knights would take wolves as companions and a symbol to honor Fen'Harel. Then after the Exalted March the Chantry twisted things to get rid of the connection to Fen'Harel and somewhere somehow planting the idea of the Dread Wolf as oppose to Rebel Wolf. It would be a huge advantage to spread that kind of propaganda among the remaining Dalish elves. Their rebel god is gone, so less motivation to join forces again to take the Dales back.

 

But it's just a thought.....and beyond that nothing to back it up I guess.

 

Also, I love drunk Solas and would be totally happy if they worked that in somehow into future content.

[MilaBanilla]

This is one of my favorite Solas screw up moments:

 

 

 

Drink more, Solas. Even at the palace he's a bit more enthusiastic than one might reasonably expect. I found his "Hunt well!" a bit odd the first time.

 

 

I was so bit suspicious after that slip up on my first play through   
"What? Why did you disapprove?! What are you hiding? "

Safe to say, the ending made it clear what he was hiding.

[NightSymphony]

Art interruption

 

I don't think we're in Thedas anymore, Toto...

http://norroendyrd.d...ather-543147838

 

Solas and Male Lavellan

http://spicygun.devi...adows-543156927

 

ZzzzZzzzZzz

http://kenu.devianta...-Naps-543132532

[drosophila]

 

Also, I love drunk Solas and would be totally happy if they worked that in somehow into future content.

 

Inquisitor: So, Solas... A few bottles of Golden Scythe have disappeared from the cellar and Cole told me he stole them for you.

Solas: Ah, yes. a fine drink can help one visit new places in the fade and avail oneself in insights which are otherwise beyond reach.

Cole: Another sip, must drink it all, consume and let it consume me. The song permeates the blood, must forget, must dance with veiled sorrow. More, brighter, suddenly real.

Inquisitor: Riiiight... Listen, you might want to talk to Cullen, he has some experience dealing with... such things.

Cole: Don't try to make him talk to Cullen, he says no, no, no...

Inquisitor: Umm... ok, then... how about next time you just buy it from the tavern?

Solas: Understood.

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My mind goes on weird trails after 10 pm.

[MayriyaNoori]

Inquisitor: So, Solas... A few bottles of Golden Scythe have disappeared from the cellar and Cole told me he stole them for you.

Solas: Ah, yes. a fine drink can help one visit new places in the fade and avail oneself in insights which are otherwise beyond reach.

Cole: Another sip, must drink it all, consume and let it consume me. The song permeates the blood, must forget, must dance with veiled sorrow. More, brighter, suddenly real.

Inquisitor: Riiiight... Listen, you might want to talk to Cullen, he has some experience dealing with... such things.

Cole: Don't try to make him talk to Cullen, he says no, no, no...

Inquisitor: Umm... ok, then... how about next time you just buy it from the tavern?

Solas: Understood.

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My mind goes on weird trails after 10 pm.

I bet Solas' mind goes on weird trails this late as well.

[Gwyvian]

My take on this line of thought: And if the Pantheon was like that, or Arlathani elves in general, then the Inquisitor's flailing and dying was a result of being fundamentally different from the beings that it was designed for and by. The Inquisitor's Operating System was incompatible, that kind of thing. Solas binds a spirit of some kind to the Inquisitor as a favor, making the Inquisitor slowly become more like the Arlathani. We go from 'unconscious for days' after the first attempt to seal the Breach, to 'whammied but awake' after the second, to 'I will open a giant portal to enter the Fade physically and then banish all the demons from Adamant with a flick of a wrist like the lickspittles they are'. All signs of the spirit-fusing progressing, which is why Solas checks in every now and then to see just how much it is affecting you. This would also help explain why even dwarf Inquisitors are able to walk the Fade and stumble across Solas Dreaming.

Corypheus is able to handle the Orb because the Blight is the twisted counterpart to Arlathani immortality, with the corruption itself serving as his (heh) anchor. I wonder if there's anything to Corypheus having to use ritual spells to make full use of the Orb, or if that's just for specific magic rather than 'I hope like hell this works'.

...I really like this line of thought.

 

Oh, I like where this is going. I really do. 

[Caddius]

I'm actually thinking Dales times. After he said that I thought about it and the big story behind a large part of that forest is the fact that the trees were planted as memorials to Emerald Knights right? Those trees would have had plenty of time to grow and spread since then.

 

And I know there is absolutely nothing to truly justify it but I think the Emerald Knights may have been an organization started by Fen'Harel. The wolf thing plus, if I remember right there are Fen'Harel looking statues inside the entrance to the Knights' Tomb. Plus the wolf statues all over the place in the Emerald Graves that look like the Fen'Harel statue in the temple of Mythal. In particular, there is one under a waterfall with a little note about something saying how they think magic is preserving it since the water should have eroded it long ago. We all love our pets, but making sure that a statue of them stays around is a bit much. But if your organization was lead/founded/inspired by Fen'Harel it makes total sense.

 

Plus, if I'm understanding timelines right with events, the Emerald Knights were founded before the whole Harel translation confusion we read about in the temple of Mythal which would mean that the Dalish elves of that time may have had an entirely different image of Fen'Harel and may have actually loved the Rebel Wolf. Especially if he had anything to do with the time of Andraste and helping the elves get the Dales in the first place. So I think it would be very fitting that the Emerald Knights would take wolves as companions and a symbol to honor Fen'Harel. Then after the Exalted March the Chantry twisted things to get rid of the connection to Fen'Harel and somewhere somehow planting the idea of the Dread Wolf as oppose to Rebel Wolf. It would be a huge advantage to spread that kind of propaganda among the remaining Dalish elves. Their rebel god is gone, so less motivation to join forces again to take the Dales back.

 

But it's just a thought.....and beyond that nothing to back it up I guess.

 

Also, I love drunk Solas and would be totally happy if they worked that in somehow into future content.

I wouldn't say nothing to back it up.

You've got tons of wolf statues, the association of the Emerald Knights (the protectors of the people) with wolves, and if I remember correctly the Kirkwall/Freedom/Fen'harel symbol is all over the Emerald Knights' tomb. (Along with other weird crap.) I doubt the Chantry was behind the idea of subverting Fen'harel. They could blame the fall of Arlathan partially on themselves/Tevinter/their other gods, but if Fen'harel was somehow involved in the Dales business, some may have chosen to blame things on him. *shrug*

I also love drunk Solas. DLC, you're looking for him and asking around the tavern when he jumps up on a table and starts drunkenly singing 'Give me that old time (elven) religion. 

[Gwyvian]

I'm thinking on the whole orb discussion with Solas: it seems like a perfect set up to me. He wants the orb, obviously, but he needs to give the Inquisitor a damn good reason to hand over a powerful and dangerous artifact that caused such great harm. With an elf, it's easy, because the political ramifications make you easy to manipulate into wanting to keep the matter under wraps - you don't even know if you can really trust anyone else in the Inquisition, but he is offering you both knowledge and discretion, given that (suddenly as "another elf" - he uses "we" and "us" a lot) he has as much to lose as you do, ostensibly. With other races, the trust issue is still there, but more than that, he is silently manipulating you into the following reasoning: elven artifact of great power + elven man with considerable arcane and historical knowledge = figuring out what the orb is and leaving it in good hands. Sure, the Inquisitor has no real reason to trust Solas better than anyone else, yet he did just covertly name himself as the best expert you have on hand to tell you what that thing is and what went down. Oh, and he did save your life where everyone else thought you would die.

 

He's far too cunning to tell you that you should hand the orb over to him, but he started setting you up for the great handover the moment he suggests to you that the orb probably survived the blast and should be studied. I think that's what's behind that little speech.

[drosophila]

I'm thinking on the whole orb discussion with Solas: it seems like a perfect set up to me. He wants the orb, obviously, but he needs to give the Inquisitor a damn good reason to hand over a powerful and dangerous artifact that caused such great harm. With an elf, it's easy, because the political ramifications make you easy to manipulate into wanting to keep the matter under wraps - you don't even know if you can really trust anyone else in the Inquisition, but he is offering you both knowledge and discretion, given that (suddenly as "another elf" - he uses "we" and "us" a lot) he has as much to lose as you do, ostensibly. With other races, the trust issue is still there, but more than that, he is silently manipulating you into the following reasoning: elven artifact of great power + elven man with considerable arcane and historical knowledge = figuring out what the orb is and leaving it in good hands. Sure, the Inquisitor has no real reason to trust Solas better than anyone else, yet he did just covertly name himself as the best expert you have on hand to tell you what that thing is and what went down. Oh, and he did save your life where everyone else thought you would die.

 

He's far too cunning to tell you that you should hand the orb over to him, but he started setting you up for the great handover the moment he suggests to you that the orb probably survived the blast and should be studied. I think that's what's behind that little speech.

 

This makes a lot of sense to me. Maybe he said this right after the singing scene because that's when he realized that the Inquisition might just succeed in retrieving the orb despite having been dealt an almost deadly blow. 

[MayriyaNoori]

I wouldn't say nothing to back it up.

You've got tons of wolf statues, the association of the Emerald Knights (the protectors of the people) with wolves, and if I remember correctly the Kirkwall/Freedom/Fen'harel symbol is all over the Emerald Knights' tomb. (Along with other weird crap.) I doubt the Chantry was behind the idea of subverting Fen'harel. They could blame the fall of Arlathan partially on themselves/Tevinter/their other gods, but if Fen'harel was somehow involved in the Dales business, some may have chosen to blame things on him. *shrug*

I also love drunk Solas. DLC, you're looking for him and asking around the tavern when he jumps up on a table and starts drunkenly singing 'Give me that old time (elven) religion. 

Yeah, the whole Chantry making his name bad is the real out there part of the thought. It's just me shooting in the dark at ideas what could have caused the whole kickstart of mistranslation of Fen'Harel.

 

*gets out question list*

 

Who messed up Fen'Harel's name...?

 

*puts paper away*

 

Oh, and another note of interest to go along with the Emerald Knights is that one of the famous knights actually has 'harel' in their name even Vaharel who led the invasion of Montisimmard. And this is totally out there attempt at translating his name but if it is a combo of 'var' meaning 'our' and 'harel' meaning 'rebel' his name would be something like Our Rebel. Not really part of the idea, but interesting.

[CapricornSun]

My turn to interrupt with art.

 

Oh Solas. xD

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Source: http://osatokun.tumb...-sence-of-humor

 

 

Your move, Bioware. (Slightly NSFW)

Spoiler

Source: http://fenkurwaharel...ur-move-bioware

 

 

Solas and Lavellan with a bike. Yeah... (Something about this makes me wonder... Naaah... xD)

Spoiler

Source: http://tonitart.tumb...ppen-late-night

 

 

Lovely Solas portrait.

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Source: http://kakimari.tumb...st/105492141433

 

 

Modern AU DA:I Boyband, based on this picture. 

Spoiler

Source: http://average-jamie...picture-for-you

 

 

 

 

EDIT: Adding a bonus adorable Cole! 

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Source: http://danya224.tumb...emoji-challenge

 

Modifié par CapricornSun, 01 juillet 2015 - 04:51 .

[MayriyaNoori]

OMG Dorian in the boyband picture! I love it!