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[MoonDrummer]

Fixed it for you

Casteless.... 

[CapricornSun]

I'm of two minds on this.  On one hand, the relative lack of backstory gives such incredible freedom, like you said, and my Skyrim character probably has one of my favorite backstories and character arcs of all my PCs as a result.  On the other hand, I also like something more established a la Hawke's backstory, or Adam Jensen, or TNO...restraint also breeds creativity, just of a different sort.  Instead of the question being "What happened?" the question becomes, "How did it affect you?"

 

Oh, I know how DA2 affected me alright...  Pure utter rage and disappointment.

[Illyria]

Casteless.... 

 

Nughumper.

[Niamaduir]

The current swirl of conversation on the thread makes me what to go out and buy the World of Thedas books in the hard copy format.

 

They do give you some details about Clan Lavellan, but you can take those in any direction you want. All in all, I found it easier to play an elf for this game than I did for Origins. I tried to play the mage elf. the city elf, and the Dalish elf origin found that I just could not get into their stories the way I could with my Cousland. It was hard for me to headcanon a reason why my Dalish Elf would care enough. I tried to RP my mage elf as something of a pragmatist, but that did not interest me enough from a roleplaying perspective to have me complete that game, though it was the one I got the farthest through next to my Cousland. I could never get my city elf past Ostagar because I couldn't figure out how the fallout of her Origin would affect her in order to develop a personality for her. Coming into this game after playing two games as a human I was ready for a change.

 

The details that you get in Inquisition about the Dalish fleshed them out a bit more for me and gave me an angle to run with via how the Dalish deal with mages. All my characters have a soft spot for how mages are treated in Thedas. My Cousland's thoughts would probably run more in line with the views Cassandra expresses in DA:I, while my Hawke was on board with Anders until he blew up the Chantry. My Lavellan has an interesting outsider's take on the whole thing, she's experienced what it's like for the Dalish who stray to close and linger too long near a human settlement that has an active, and overzealous unit of Templars. Since I roleplay her as having a twin, she also has a keen understanding of how the Dalish system of dealing with magic is not all that better than the human one. She or her sister, if they had both developed magic, could have been in Mineave's shoes. 

 

Now my only problem is that I find my canon Warden Queen world state kinda boring. Is it just me or did they give the best lines to a Warden Alistair, romance or not? I find Stroud so blah that I am seriously considering giving my cannon Lavellan a radically different world state to run through, with Anora as Queen, which I cringe at because I really disliked her in Origins.

[Cee]

I think because of the BioWare Alistair canon, and if your Warden is alive, they necessarily had to limit his presence and what he could possibly say or do. Showing up to exile mages and do some ruler type stuff, write a few characteristic war table missions - cool. Warden Alistair is not canon so I think it gives them a little more freedom to 1) engage him further in relationship comments, especially if your Warden is alive. 2) Comment about Kieran if he exists. 3) Leave him in the Fade

 

For me, I also felt like my Cousland connected well with everything happening. The nobility origin there worked very well because you were dealing not just with your own family being attacked, but politics, calling others to your cause in order to fight back, and well that little thing called the Blight.

 

Inquisition deals with these matters too, but instead of going and making all of your appeals directly, you have agents, envoys, and over time, a growing network of forces, allies, and ties. I felt like a Dalish origin, especially with some of the foundations, the PC bio blurb when choosing, and the absolute strangeness of a Dalish person thrown into this situation made it all feel pretty ripe.

 

There's enough about clan Lavellan to make a few observations and get some ideas about the nature of the clan but there's plenty of room to make it your own. And given the inconsistencies among the Dalish clans anyway, that also opens doors for creativity.

[drosophila]

I never worried too much about my Lavellan mage's backstory. I imagine her being very young and having had a relatively dull life with her clan before the events in Inquisition began. Her strenuous training has made her pragmatic and witty but not without kindness. Being an elven mage surrounded by mostly humans with strong Chantry presence and being given all the responsibilities of an Inquisitor is the test that shapes her unique personality 

[Gervaise]

A few more thoughts on the rebel trickster.   One thing that had me puzzled was the fact that Solas and Felassan (who definitely had some sort of connection to Fen'Harel) were both mages, yet the elven folktale speaks of a trickster warrior and Shartan is thought of as a warrior, Andraste even gives him a sword.   Then it hit me, of course Fen'Harel in his earlier guises was a arcane warrior.    That would account for the fire arrows used by his followers to save Andraste.   It was magical fire.   Back in DAO and in Masked Empire the mages were able to light their followers weapons with elemental magic, sadly something we can no longer do.

 

Solas tells us that the Knight Enchanter specialism is based on the older arcane warrior and the Knight Enchanter is designed for leadership, for you to be at the forefront of battle.   Solas had the Rift Mage specialism but that doesn't mean he doesn't have the knowledge of arcane warrior.    It was just that Rift Mage was more appropriate to his role in this particular war.   

 

There is another entry in WoT2 about an agent of the Inquisition who was a Dalish apprentice who decided he wanted to be an arcane warrior.   He left his clan and travelled into the wilderness where he found an ancient elven shrine where the secrets of the ancient order were kept.     It occurred to me that the arcane warriors must have had a patron god but none of the other gods have been associated with them.   What if the founder of the order was Fen'harel himself?      The text doesn't mention who the shrine was dedicated to but that the elf spent years meditating there, dedicating mind, body and soul to the art form.   That makes me think that during meditation he made contact with the Fade and thus to Fen'harel, or one of his friendly spirits, and that is how he acquired the knowledge.

 

I certainly found Knight Enchanter very effective against dragons, so I imagine that a full arcane warrior would be as well, and I wouldn't mind guessing that those tyrants he fought against in the folktale had the ability to turn into dragons too.

[Cee]

The one thing that all of my canons share is that they are dual-wield rogues, so how and why they took up blades is always something I need to determine. Inquisition kind of makes that easy enough.

 

It also enables the best (IMO) of the Solas class-based flirts.

 

Never tired of this.

 

https://youtu.be/6uYfk5Hr-hc?t=116

 

This moment, it was all quite

 

[Solas]

Don't forget the tale of how Fen'Harel shot an arrow up into the sky to slay a beast.

 

Maybe the trickster god simply has many different guises/faces or even vessels throughout the ages??

[Cee]

A few more thoughts on the rebel trickster.   One thing that had me puzzled was the fact that Solas and Felassan (who definitely had some sort of connection to Fen'Harel)

 

Felassan doesn't seem like he has any real connection to Fen'Harel. He seems like a Fen'Harel fanboy telling secondhand stories. It's like admiring the antagonist in a book, only one is told this person is real. And he is real, but ....interpreted, a game of telephone.

[andy6915]

Don't forget the tale of how Fen'Harel shot an arrow up into the sky to slay a beast.

 

Maybe the trickster god simply has many different guises/faces or even vessels throughout the ages??

 

Elven gods aren't restricted by something as meager as classes, they can be a mage who can can fire a bow (rogue) that shoots swords (warrior) if they want.

[Cee]

I hate the vessel theory. It would cheapen a LOT if it were ever made true, IMO. Mythal being the exception is a good little twist since Flemeth is human, but no more, please.

[andy6915]

I hate the vessel theory. It would cheapen a LOT if it were ever made true, IMO. Mythal being the exception is a good little twist since Flemeth is human, but no more, please.

I too suspect that Solas' really is the Dread Wolf's true form, not just a spirit that keeps jumping from vessel to vessel. There's too much evidence that Solas really is his true self. Either Solas was his actual name that was lost to time and Fen'Heral was a title, or Solas was a made up name.

[MayriyaNoori]

Solas does make a very interesting comments about arcane warriors. It's kind of hard to tell if he is one or not by them, but I wouldn't doubt that Solas knows at least some of the techniques.

Here is the video of the conversation if anyone wants to watch.

 

Spoiler

 

Arcane warriors were probably some serious bad asses though back in Arlathan. I mean....the weapons and armor they could summon for themselves when there was no Veil. And if Solas is saying they had honor worth respecting that carries some weight.

 

It also makes me wonder if June was possibly an arcane warrior. I mean....if he crafted crazy weapons...I don't know if you can see where I'm going with this. I mean, the craziest high level of crafting weapons and armor would be something like what an arcane warrior does. This kind of implies that June could have actually been a pretty decent member of the pantheon. I know there's no evidence yet against the guy....but still. Inquisition has made a pretty bad impression for the whole lot of them I would say.

 

Imagine if he taught Andruil of the make armor made form the Void. I mean, I never picture this stuff as literal. Armor crafted from the Void sounds a lot more like Andruil knew arcane warrior techniques and instead of just pulling from the Fade she was pulling from the Void.  Crazy bonkers spells right there.

 

Anyway, this stuff is neat because my Lavellan is a Knight Enchanter. So yay, arcane warriors=win in my books.

[Illyria]

The current swirl of conversation on the thread makes me what to go out and buy the World of Thedas books in the hard copy format.

 

They do give you some details about Clan Lavellan, but you can take those in any direction you want. All in all, I found it easier to play an elf for this game than I did for Origins. I tried to play the mage elf. the city elf, and the Dalish elf origin found that I just could not get into their stories the way I could with my Cousland. It was hard for me to headcanon a reason why my Dalish Elf would care enough. I tried to RP my mage elf as something of a pragmatist, but that did not interest me enough from a roleplaying perspective to have me complete that game, though it was the one I got the farthest through next to my Cousland. I could never get my city elf past Ostagar because I couldn't figure out how the fallout of her Origin would affect her in order to develop a personality for her. Coming into this game after playing two games as a human I was ready for a change.

 

The details that you get in Inquisition about the Dalish fleshed them out a bit more for me and gave me an angle to run with via how the Dalish deal with mages. All my characters have a soft spot for how mages are treated in Thedas. My Cousland's thoughts would probably run more in line with the views Cassandra expresses in DA:I, while my Hawke was on board with Anders until he blew up the Chantry. My Lavellan has an interesting outsider's take on the whole thing, she's experienced what it's like for the Dalish who stray to close and linger too long near a human settlement that has an active, and overzealous unit of Templars. Since I roleplay her as having a twin, she also has a keen understanding of how the Dalish system of dealing with magic is not all that better than the human one. She or her sister, if they had both developed magic, could have been in Mineave's shoes. 

 

Now my only problem is that I find my canon Warden Queen world state kinda boring. Is it just me or did they give the best lines to a Warden Alistair, romance or not? I find Stroud so blah that I am seriously considering giving my cannon Lavellan a radically different world state to run through, with Anora as Queen, which I cringe at because I really disliked her in Origins.

 

Some of Warden Alistair's non-romance lines are amazing.  For my first DAI playthrough I used a mixed up worldstate combinding my two (yes two.  I love my Surana too much to have her in just one) canon worldstates (Leliana romance with Warden!Alistair performing the Dark Ritual - my actual Leliana worldstate has King Alistair with Loghain making the US and my Alistair romance one has the Dark Ritual and him remaining a Warden).  The way Alistair talks about a non-romanced Warden who had him do the Ritual was a really great bit of characteristation.  He hates her, and actually expects her to be in with whatever Clarel was planning.

[Niamaduir]

The one thing that all of my canons share is that they are dual-wield rogues, so how and why they took up blades is always something I need to determine. Inquisition kind of makes that easy enough.

 

It also enables the best (IMO) of the Solas class-based flirts.

 

Never tired of this.

 

https://youtu.be/6uYfk5Hr-hc?t=116

 

This moment, it was all quite

 

 

Yeah, that line out of the three, is probably the smoothest. The other two seemed like a bit of a stretch to me. 

[Illyria]

I too suspect that Solas' really is the Dread Wolf's true form, not just a spirit that keeps jumping from vessel to vessel. There's too much evidence that Solas really is his true self. Either Solas was his actual name that was lost to time and Fen'Heral was a title, or Solas was a made up name.

 

It's likely he took the name Solas.  Abelas took his name during the long watch over the Well, and Solas tells him to find a new name now this is over.

[MoonDrummer]

It's likely he took the name Solas.  Abelas took his name during the long watch over the Well, and Solas tells him to find a new name now this is over.

I wonder what his original name was. I doubt his mum named him Dread Wolf. 

[Patchwork]

My two favourite Origin stories are my grief-striken Queen Cousland, quietly suspicious and furious towards everyone and everything. She romanced Alistair because she could imagine Elenor's not at all subtle encouragement and her father rolling his eyes at his wife's antics. After the events of the DOA she did realise she genuinely loved him but taking the throne and making him king was purely to show everyone that the Couslands weren't finished yet.

 

And then the SOB told her on top of every other horrible thing about being a warden it was unlikely she could have children. Thank god for Fergus!

 

The other one was a Dalish mage who needed a strong backstory to even work within the origin. That one was fun because unlike my other mages who were mighty I was restricted in my spell choice.

 

The only reason I can't get onboard with the Fen'Harel=Shartan theory is because he gave Cory the orb. It makes a kinda sense if he's only been awake for 10 years or so, he awakens to a world he helped create and realises he really mucked up. He panics, comes up with a really risky plan but reassures himself that it'll be fine, it all be worth it -he's going to make the world right again. But if that's not true, if he's been around for 800(?) years why that plan? Why not continue to wait and build up his power so eventually he can open the orb himself no Coryfish needed? Why kill Flemythal and steal her power? 

[Illyria]

My two favourite Origin stories are my grief-striken Queen Cousland, quietly suspicious and furious towards everyone and everything. She romanced Alistair because she could imagine Elenor's not at all subtle encouragement and her father rolling his eyes at his wife's antics. After the events of the DOA she did realise she genuinely loved him but taking the throne and making him king was purely to show everyone that the Couslands weren't finished yet.

 

And then the SOB told her on top of every other horrible thing about being a warden it was unlikely she could have children. Thank god for Fergus!

 

The other one was a Dalish mage who needed a strong backstory to even work within the origin. That one was fun because unlike my other mages who were mighty I was restricted in my spell choice.

 

The only reason I can't get onboard with the Fen'Harel=Shartan theory is because he gave Cory the orb. It makes a kinda sense if he's only been awake for 10 years or so, he awakens to a world he helped create and realises he really mucked up. He panics, comes up with a really risky plan but reassures himself that it'll be fine, it all be worth it -he's going to make the world right again. But if that's not true, if he's been around for 800(?) years why that plan? Why not continue to wait and build up his power so eventually he can open the orb himself no Coryfish needed? Why kill Flemythal and steal her power? 

 

The Dalish mage is my favourite origin to play.  It should've been in the base game...

[Niamaduir]

Solas does make a very interesting comments about arcane warriors. It's kind of hard to tell if he is one or not by them, but I wouldn't doubt that Solas knows at least some of the techniques.

Here is the video of the conversation if anyone wants to watch.

 

Spoiler

 

Arcane warriors were probably some serious bad asses though back in Arlathan. I mean....the weapons and armor they could summon for themselves when there was no Veil. And if Solas is saying they had honor worth respecting that carries some weight.

 

It also makes me wonder if June was possibly an arcane warrior. I mean....if he crafted crazy weapons...I don't know if you can see where I'm going with this. I mean, the craziest high level of crafting weapons and armor would be something like what an arcane warrior does. This kind of implies that June could have actually been a pretty decent member of the pantheon. I know there's no evidence yet against the guy....but still. Inquisition has made a pretty bad impression for the whole lot of them I would say.

 

Imagine if he taught Andruil of the make armor made form the Void. I mean, I never picture this stuff as literal. Armor crafted from the Void sounds a lot more like Andruil knew arcane warrior techniques and instead of just pulling from the Fade she was pulling from the Void.  Crazy bonkers spells right there.

 

Anyway, this stuff is neat because my Lavellan is a Knight Enchanter. So yay, arcane warriors=win in my books.

 

Some of Warden Alistair's non-romance lines are amazing.  For my first DAI playthrough I used a mixed up worldstate combinding my two (yes two.  I love my Surana too much to have her in just one) canon worldstates (Leliana romance with Warden!Alistair performing the Dark Ritual - my actual Leliana worldstate has King Alistair with Loghain making the US and my Alistair romance one has the Dark Ritual and him remaining a Warden).  The way Alistair talks about a non-romanced Warden who had him do the Ritual was a really great bit of characteristation.  He hates her, and actually expects her to be in with whatever Clarel was planning.

 

These make me want to redo my world state and reconsider my specialization. Does anyone know what the conditions are for Solas commenting on you specialization? He didn't say boo to me about it when I went with Rift mage, but Cole did.

[Sah291]

I hate the vessel theory. It would cheapen a LOT if it were ever made true, IMO. Mythal being the exception is a good little twist since Flemeth is human, but no more, please.

Well, I do wonder if Mythal was different somehow from the rest of the pantheon. The way Solas talks about her after the Well, calling her a creature, as if even he's not totally certain what she is or where she came from. He could just be deflecting, since obviously he does know more. But I wonder if the rest of the pantheon were 'children' in the sense that Mythal and Elgar'nan were their creators.

[andy6915]

It's likely he took the name Solas.  Abelas took his name during the long watch over the Well, and Solas tells him to find a new name now this is over.

 

No he doesn't. He lies about the translation. He actually tells him that he is now free of his role and that he can find a new purpose and doesn't need to go into eternal sleep. But Abelas does mean "sorrow", so he was sort of telling him to find a new name... In a weird way.

[Abelas Forever!]

I just finished reading Masked Empire and I think Felessan doesn't know about things as much as Solas. Well that was the impression I get from the book. That's why I think they are not Fen'harel's vessels. It seemed to me that Felessan had a mission but somebody else had given him that mission but Solas' mission is his own.

[Illyria]

These make me want to redo my world state and reconsider my specialization. Does anyone know what the conditions are for Solas commenting on you specialization? He didn't say boo to me about it when I went with Rift mage, but Cole did.

 

You need to have not triggered the balcony scene.