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[andy6915]

And even better? She can get help finding him and answers in the fade, using the skills and new ideas he taught her. She know now about how you can find hidden answers in the fade by seeing memories and dreams, and how you can befriend spirits who will share knowledge and help you search in the fade. She'll have half the friendly spirits in the fade helping her to find him by the time she's done. She won't be searching alone, she'll have an entire army of spirit scouts seeking him.

[Cee]

Not my point. People might as well get over things pretty smoothly, but that doesn't excuse anyone from making it harder than it should be - especially in situations like this, when it's implied that Solas indeed cares deeply for her, even after the breakup.

 

Yet people do this all the time in real life. It's not an excuse. It's hurtful and crappy but it's also realistic. Life isn't always in neat little wrapped packages. Emotions.

 

I've had this sort of thing happen to me. Things are going great, suddenly I got dumped via a note delivered by a mutual friend, frozen out, and had barely two words with the guy for almost two years. Granted, we were kids. It was our first love, first relationship for both of us and we were high school freshmen. We shared many of the same friends so we hung out in the same general group but never spoke. I wrote him a letter asking why. I never got answers either, not for a long time.

 

Finally, senior year, our friends kind of orchestrated bringing us together to talk. I got some answers. He didn't want to do it but got pressured into it and basically said he was just a stupid kid and he had a ton of regrets over hurting me so much. And then he iced me out because he was kicking himself over what he had done.

 

I know how this situation feels. You're crushed, angry, curious, wondering if the person is okay, what could've happened to take things from amazing to over so quickly, etc.

 

But like I said, people are resilient. This story has a happy ending, because he became and is still my closest friend and this is one for life.

 

I'm modeling my Lavellan's first love a bit on my own because she and her ex-girlfriend (who she was with for five years - me and this guy were together for a few months) ultimately stay close and keep the most solid of friendships.

 

Which is one reason why, although she has many deep feelings after Solas, she is resilient herself. She has gone through painful end to relationships before. The circumstances are different, but while she is affected, she doesn't break. In my headcanon, Cole offers to make her forget and she declines. This is hers, her life. There's pain in more than just the end of a relationship.
 

[Solas]

What I like to speculate in my head at the minute:

 

I reckon it's almost a given that Solas and Inquis will cross paths again (rather than say, Solas' storyline being taken over via using another PC in a future game - altho that's def still possible, I'm just sharing what I speculate as most likely that's all). What I wonder about really is the how.

 

- Inquisitor seeks Solas out cause gosh darnit, romanced or no, friend or hated, they want answers (subquery: Do they figure it out on their own piece by piece on the way, or does Solas make the big reveal?)

- Inquisitor seeks Solas out cause ****'s goin down with the Fade/Veil/spirits/the Mark and he's the only one who'd know wat up

- Solas comes back to see the Inquisitor, for some reason of his own. Maybe he needs the Mark for something or maybe he just decided to come clean idk

- they come upon one another by happenstance ('is it fate or is it chance I can never decide') because Thedosian Big Event Circumstances Conspire and It Is So

[RynJ]

The fact that it hurt him might be obvious for Lavellan, but it still doesn't excuse Solas from doing it the way he did. Even if she's perfectly aware that she meant something for him, eventually it apparently wasn't enough to either stop him from leaving or even trusting enough to know much about him. So far, the only thing she knows is that he left and apparently he's convinced that Lavellan can't do anything to help him. He basically decides everything for her, which is really not much different from him just purging her memory.

 

I've seen this said before and I really disagree with it. Solas leaving Lavellan is not for Lavellan to decide or even have a say in other than making her feelings about the matter known. Solas can leave the relationship anytime he wants and doing so is not deciding anything for Lavellan. It's deciding for himself, even if we might disagree on the validity of his reasons. It's possible that Lavellan wouldn't make it harder for him to complete his mission but he doesn't know that for sure. He is a very bad figure in Lavellan's people's history, after all, and she's grown up hearing all of these things about the Dread Wolf. He's not going to take the risk when he's clearly determined about this.

[midnight tea]

If we break down Solas' reply, you notice that there is no subject indicating who or what (or even how) will be made clear. We are inferring from the context of the dialogue that what will be made clear is why Solas ended the relationship. Also given the phrasing "If we're both alive after the fight, then I promise you, everything will be clear." there is no indication that Solas would tell Lavellan anything at all. If we omit the "then I promise you" the sentence stand as "If we're both alive after the fight everything will be clear". This is a very interesting way to put something. It implies that Lavellan will gain an understanding, yet it does not give a concrete verb for how that understanding is achieved. Also, everything is non-specific collective noun meaning 'all things,' but what is Solas using the word to refer to? If we take in the context of the conversation then for Lavellan, "everything" becomes all the reasons he had to break off the relationship and why he was so hesitant about engaging in it in the first place. But that might not be what Solas means when he says "everything" and the only other dialogue we have to shed some possible light on what he means is the line "You saw more than most."  I don't think he is only referring to the fact that most people see a knife-eared apostate when they look at him.

 

.... Why should we omit the words "I promise"? This makes no sense. Also, let's not forget that you can't analyze his answer without the context of question asked by Lavellan, which was, basically "Will you talk with me about this later???". The implication them is clear - however he does that, Solas promises Lavellan that she'll eventually get her answers.

 

Add to that the fact that this is n't the only spot in which Solas implies that - if we pick "I believe in us" option in vallaslin scene, Solas tells Lavellan that she'll eventually see why they can't be together.

 

 

 

 

For me, Solas' phrasing implies that Lavellan will have a "Eureka!" moment or that point where everything falls into place and you "get it," so to speak. Remember Solas approves of you asking questions, it is possible that he feels that he has slipped up enough and/or the Inquisitor had learned enough about Elvhenan to make that intuitive leap.  My personal theory is that had Solas recovered the orb, it would have immediately become apparent who he was and there would be no need for words as the sentence implies. He never promises her answers, only clarity, which is a very Solas thing to do.  

 

.... This makes no sense. "Obtaining clarity" on something obviously implies getting answers or understanding of the situation. 

 

Add to that the fact that orb being destroyed still doesn't lift from Solas responsibility of fulfilling the promise.

[midnight tea]

And even better? She can get help finding him and answers in the fade, using the skills and new ideas he taught her. She know now about how you can find hidden answers in the fade by seeing memories and dreams, and how you can befriend spirits who will share knowledge and help you search in the fade. She'll have half the friendly spirits in the fade helping her to find him by the time she's done. She won't be searching alone, she'll have an entire army of spirit scouts seeking him.

 

That's nothing more than just an optimistic speculation at this point :/

 

.... And what if, say, the Nightmare gets to Lavellan first and fills her heart with fear and despair, ey? In fact, wouldn't she make a very yummy meal - vulnerable from the wright of all the responsibilities of Inquisitor AND a wound in he heart?

[MayriyaNoori]

If we break down Solas' reply, you notice that there is no subject indicating who or what (or even how) will be made clear. We are inferring from the context of the dialogue that what will be made clear is why Solas ended the relationship. Also given the phrasing "If we're both alive after the fight, then I promise you, everything will be clear." there is no indication that Solas would tell Lavellan anything at all. If we omit the "then I promise you" the sentence stand as "If we're both alive after the fight everything will be clear". This is a very interesting way to put something. It implies that Lavellan will gain an understanding, yet it does not give a concrete verb for how that understanding is achieved. Also, everything is non-specific collective noun meaning 'all things,' but what is Solas using the word to refer to? If we take in the context of the conversation then for Lavellan, "everything" becomes all the reasons he had to break off the relationship and why he was so hesitant about engaging in it in the first place. But that might not be what Solas means when he says "everything" and the only other dialogue we have to shed some possible light on what he means is the line "You saw more than most."  I don't think he is only referring to the fact that most people see a knife-eared apostate when they look at him. 
 
For me, Solas' phrasing implies that Lavellan will have a "Eureka!" moment or that point where everything falls into place and you "get it," so to speak. Remember Solas approves of you asking questions, it is possible that he feels that he has slipped up enough and/or the Inquisitor had learned enough about Elvhenan to make that intuitive leap.  My personal theory is that had Solas recovered the orb, it would have immediately become apparent who he was and there would be no need for words as the sentence implies. He never promises her answers, only clarity, which is a very Solas thing to do.  
 
 
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The other interesing thing about this comment is the statement about both being alive. They have been fighting for potential years at this point. Death has always been a possibility, so to bring this up as a condition is kind of weird. Solas is grim yes, but he also doesn't say things just being grim. He has reasons to talk this way and the possibility of dying is nothing new.

Sometimes I wonder if he actually thought that the Inquisitor using the orb to seal the Breach may actually kill them or cause something to them seriously damaging. This is a mortal dealing with elven pantheon toys after all.

Don't know if this made sense. Its late and I need sleepzzzzzz

[Cee]

What I like to speculate in my head at the minute:

 

I reckon it's almost a given that Solas and Inquis will cross paths again (rather than say, Solas' storyline being taken over via using another PC in a future game - altho that's def still possible, I'm just sharing what I speculate as most likely that's all). What I wonder about really is the how.

 

- Inquisitor seeks Solas out cause gosh darnit, romanced or no, friend or hated, they want answers (subquery: Do they figure it out on their own piece by piece on the way, or does Solas make the big reveal?)

- Inquisitor seeks Solas out cause ****'s goin down with the Fade/Veil/spirits/the Mark and he's the only one who'd know wat up

- Solas comes back to see the Inquisitor, for some reason of his own. Maybe he needs the Mark for something or maybe he just decided to come clean idk

- they come upon one another by happenstance ('is it fate or is it chance I can never decide') because Thedosian Big Event Circumstances Conspire and It Is So

 

- The locked away gods are restless, scheming, somehow able to do something (Felassan's master, probably), something's going down with the red lyrium, Wardens, old gods, things being unleashed. Another question that is related is why is he so desperate and in such a hurry when he leaves? Why was that necessary? Lost power might not answer that alone.

 

There are so many possibilities that it's exciting that the whole thing is kind of vague.

[Uirebhiril]

That's nothing more than just an optimistic speculation at this point :/

 

.... And what if, say, the Nightmare gets to Lavellan first and fills her heart with fear and despair, ey? In fact, wouldn't she make a very yummy meal - vulnerable from the wright of all the responsibilities of Inquisitor AND a wound in he heart?

 

Speculation and what-if are kind of the same thing...

[midnight tea]

Speculation and what-if are kind of the same thing...

 

I've given this "what if" scenario EXACTLY to show how easy it is to speculate....

[MayriyaNoori]

And one last optimistic thought before bed for me.

 

How awesome would it be if in a Solas DLC Lavellan does find him, he explains everything that he can or our characters need in order to really decide something about him and one of the response options is to just kiss him. I mean.....that's how this whole romance got started besides the flirting. Lavellan being bold and kissing him. It would just be fitting. I think. Being bold and jumping onto the Fen'Harel crazy train!!!

 

*sigh*

 

back to waiting.....

[andy6915]

That's nothing more than just an optimistic speculation at this point :/

.... And what if, say, the Nightmare gets to Lavellan first and fills her heart with fear and despair, ey? In fact, wouldn't she make a very yummy meal - vulnerable from the wright of all the responsibilities of Inquisitor AND a wound in he heart?

If it can do that, it would have been doing it from the start. She's in no more danger of Nightmare for doing that plan than she is every time she sleeps.

[midnight tea]

Yet people do this all the time in real life. It's not an excuse. It's hurtful and crappy but it's also realistic. Life isn't always in neat little wrapped packages. Emotions.

 

I've had this sort of thing happen to me. Things are going great, suddenly I got dumped via a note delivered by a mutual friend, frozen out, and had barely two words with the guy for almost two years. Granted, we were kids. It was our first love, first relationship for both of us and we were high school freshmen. We shared many of the same friends so we hung out in the same general group but never spoke. I wrote him a letter asking why. I never got answers either, not for a long time.

 

Hey, I were in relations that ended in similar fashions - which is why I know exactly how crappy it feels when a person is left uncertain as to why it happened. I think however that most people here agree that Solas is mature and experienced (it's very likely his heart was broken in the past as well) and should know better than end the relationship the way he did. Life may not always come wrapped in neat little packages, which is why - if people care about one another - they try to make things a little easier to bear (especially if we take into consideration that he likely doesn't expect to see her ever again).

 

 

But like I said, people are resilient. This story has a happy ending, because he became and is still my closest friend and this is one for life.

 

I'm happy that it ended like that for you.... but judging from where the story is going, I don't think we can expect an ending as happy for Lavellan and Solas, ey?

 

It's not exactly the same situation - we're taking magnitudes more of heartache and drama, based even just on what we know or suspect about Solas, especially after post-credit scene. Unlike us, however, Lavellan is yet to find this out, and that's likely not the only nasty surprise that awaits her, while coping with both being expected to save the world or attempted to be crushed by it.

 

What I'm hoping for is that she either manages to find truth about Solas either from him or through some sort of neutral means, because if she finds it out from someone who will use her feelings and ignorance against her, things may go South real damn fast.

[andy6915]

Scary thought: Solas ends up the villain of the next DA.

 

Scarier thought: A romanced Solas will have our Inquisitor as an ally that helps his plans along and even fights by his side in the boss fight and you have to kill them both instead of just Solas.

 

Reaction: Fanbase has a meltdown.

[midnight tea]

If it can do that, it would have been doing it from the start. She's in no more danger of Nightmare for doing that plan than she is every time she sleeps.

 

Not really. The Nightmare (or anyone else with similar powers, really) may just wait for opportune moment to strike - there's no point assuming that it would try and destroy her any time she sleeps.

 

ESPECIALLY if the survey tells anything that's true - Qunari invade, assassins attack and the devs hint that there will be decisions and quests there that will force us to choose between companions. Imagine then her resolve being eroded by stress and anguish over lost friends and lives (who says that people who romance other characters won't be faced with possibility of some sort of heartache or loss of loved one as well?), only to be hit right in the heart by revelations about her boyfriend/friend 

[midnight tea]

And one last optimistic thought before bed for me.

 

How awesome would it be if in a Solas DLC Lavellan does find him, he explains everything that he can or our characters need in order to really decide something about him and one of the response options is to just kiss him. I mean.....that's how this whole romance got started besides the flirting. Lavellan being bold and kissing him. It would just be fitting. I think. Being bold and jumping onto the Fen'Harel crazy train!!!

 

*sigh*

 

back to waiting.....

 

Honestly? I'd like possible reconciliation to be more than just an option. I wish they gave us an option to end this "final fate DLC" either in a sweet or bittersweet fashion (for everyone), but for that option to unlock only if we work really hard for it.

 

I mean, aside from being good Inquisitor during the run of DAI, maybe we should also finish some quests, gather something or complete this new optional mode mentioned in the survey.... maybe all at once?

[andy6915]

Honestly? I'd like possible reconciliation to be more than just an option. I wish they gave us an option to end this "final fate DLC" either in a sweet or bittersweet fashion (for everyone), but for that option to unlock only if we work really hard for it.

 

I mean, aside from being good Inquisitor during the run of DAI, maybe we should also finish some quests, gather something or complete this new optional mode mentioned in the survey.... maybe all at once?

 

How is she in more danger by befriending spirits and getting a massive spirit-scout army and using the fade as a useful info dump and even using the fade to talk to people face to face who are potentially thousands of miles away through their dreams?

[midnight tea]

How is she in more danger by befriending spirits and getting a massive spirit-scout army and using the fade as a useful info dump and even using the fade to talk to people face to face who are potentially thousands of miles away through their dreams?

 

....What does it have to do with anything I said?

Also - why assume that she'd have an easy time befriending spirits? There are demons there as well and things we may not know much about yet.

[Niamaduir]

.... Why should we omit the words "I promise"? This makes no sense. Also, let's not forget that you can't analyze his answer without the context of question asked by Lavellan, which was, basically "Will you talk with me about this later???". The implication them is clear - however he does that, Solas promises Lavellan that she'll eventually get her answers.

 

Add to that the fact that this is n't the only spot in which Solas implies that - if we pick "I believe in us" option in vallaslin scene, Solas tells Lavellan that she'll eventually see why they can't be together.

 

 

 

.... This makes no sense. "Obtaining clarity" on something obviously implies getting answers or understanding of the situation. 

 

Add to that the fact that orb being destroyed still doesn't lift from Solas responsibility of fulfilling the promise.

 

We can omit the "then I promise you" because it is set off in commas and is not necessary to the sentence for it to make sense. It is a clause, grammatically speaking, though I forget which kind. The point is that it's an addition to the sentence. I make no claim that it is not a purposeful thing to add to the sentence, but it in no way implies that he will give her answers explicitly. When you make the assumption that Solas will tell Lavallen something you are drawing an inference, based on your interpretation of the dialogue, bit it is an inference and not explicit to the sentence itself. You do not need someone to tell you why, you can take what you know and develop an understanding based on what you know, which I will admit is not as satisfying as have Solas lay it all out for you. 

 

When I mention the sentence being in the context of dialogue that Lavellan is having with  him, I do so to point out that a lot of what Solas says can be interpreted on multiple levels, both within the context of the immediate conversation and within the context of the character of Solas himself. I don't think you can look at anything he says purely in just the context of the immediate conversation that he says it in. He's too nuanced of a character for everything to be that simple. Look at his banter with Cole, at face value, these banters seem to be Solas helping Cole gain an understanding of the physical world (while also being the Weekes riffing on Angel theme TV and movies) but I think Solas also gives away a lot of thing about himself in those banters. 

 

In regards to Solas telling Lavellan that she will "see" why they cannot be together, it does not mean that he will tell her anything. Again, I think it is an assumption to think that Solas will tell her anything at this point. 

[andy6915]

....What does it have to do with anything I said?

Also - why assume that she'd have an easy time befriending spirits? There are demons there as well and things we may not know much about yet.

 

Solas could do it, and he made it sound easy. Go in and don't let your own perceptions draw demons and turn spirits demonic, and you will find friendly spirits who are quite willing to be your friend and help you. The only reason that doesn't happen often is that everyone goes into the fade expecting demons around every corner, which causes a circular effect where expecting demons around every corner all but guarantees that there will be demons around every corner. The fade responds to you and what you expect out of it, go in expecting tons of demons and that's what you'll find. The only real hard part is letting go of preconceived notions about the fade and how dangerous it is. It might be a nasty bone filled swamp in truth, but it's not inherently dangerous if you don't assume it will be. Barring exceptions where you're in a demon's lair in the fade of course (like Nightmare's area and the Sloth Demon's area in DAO and the fade-Blackmarsh led by a pride demon in DAA).

 

It has to do with what you said because you specifically argued me on my speculation that the Inquisitor doing this is possible. Is it so surprising that I would defend my own position?

[midnight tea]

I've seen this said before and I really disagree with it. Solas leaving Lavellan is not for Lavellan to decide or even have a say in other than making her feelings about the matter known. Solas can leave the relationship anytime he wants and doing so is not deciding anything for Lavellan. It's deciding for himself, even if we might disagree on the validity of his reasons. It's possible that Lavellan wouldn't make it harder for him to complete his mission but he doesn't know that for sure. He is a very bad figure in Lavellan's people's history, after all, and she's grown up hearing all of these things about the Dread Wolf. He's not going to take the risk when he's clearly determined about this.

 

He IS deciding everything for Lavellan - there's no point even arguing about that. This is not just about simple break-up - he doesn't just decides that he leaves her; he decides when and how he does it or the extent of things she knows. He decides there's nothing she can do to help him and - by erasing memory of Cole - ensures she has harder time following him and likely finding out what's going on. So far, she has nothing to say in here, be it the fact that he leaves her or the fact that she doesn't understand why he's done it in the first place.

 

Also, so far, only WE know that he's Fen'Harel - I'd say that AT BEST, Lavellan is aware that he's not just random apostate dreamer, maybe even has an inkling that he's an ancient elf, but Dread Wolf? Nah.

 

Plus, her finding out that he's the Dread Wolf, who - like you mentioned - is not exactly well-portrayed in elven lore might make her feel even worse about her being basically tricked by legendary deceiver and start doubting the extent to which she actually knows him or how genuine his feelings were.

[andy6915]

Also, so far, only WE know that he's Fen'Harel - I'd say that AT BEST, Lavellan is aware that he's not just random apostate dreamer, maybe even has an inkling that he's an ancient elf, but Dread Wolf? Nah.

 

Plus, her finding out that he's the Dread Wolf, who - like you mentioned - is not exactly well-portrayed in elven lore might make her feel even worse about her being basically tricked by legendary deceiver and start doubting the extent to which she actually knows him or how genuine his feelings were.

 

True, the info she gets in the game isn't enough to figure out who exactly he is.

 

Unless your character is like mine was and actually thinks the Dread Wolf is likely a good god and is even a "fan" of his (for want of a better word). In which case she might have done a fangirl squee upon learning she was his freaking girlfriend. And that she had sex with him! She had sex with an elven god, and her favorite one at that! That would make her entire year.

[midnight tea]

Solas could do it, and he made it sound easy. 

 

Solas likely spent entire millennium in the Fade and even he admits that there were regions in the Fade he never visited (like the domain of the Nightmare). He also hardly makes it look easy - he mentions that he has to be very careful in the Fade a few times. Him. A person who - by his own admission - explored the Fade more than anyone alive. It will be hardly easier for a Fade rookie (compared to Solas), even if he/she is a mage and has an Anchor.

 

 

It has to do with what you said because you specifically argued me on my speculation that the Inquisitor doing this is possible. Is it so surprising that I would defend my own position?

 

I didn't say anything about it being impossible - what I said is that at this point it's just a speculation, because we have no clue what will happen a this point. You also began defending your position while quoting the comment that had nothing to do with me arguing about your speculation, hence my confusion.

[andy6915]

at this point it's just a speculation

 

Um... Duh? That's pretty much saying "the sun is hot". And yes, I made a mistake I only just realized. I meant to quote this, not what I did actually quote.

 

Not really. The Nightmare (or anyone else with similar powers, really) may just wait for opportune moment to strike - there's no point assuming that it would try and destroy her any time she sleeps.
 
ESPECIALLY if the survey tells anything that's true - Qunari invade, assassins attack and the devs hint that there will be decisions and quests there that will force us to choose between companions. Imagine then her resolve being eroded by stress and anguish over lost friends and lives (who says that people who romance other characters won't be faced with possibility of some sort of heartache or loss of loved one as well?), only to be hit right in the heart by revelations about her boyfriend/friend 

[midnight tea]

True, the info she gets in the game isn't enough to figure out who exactly he is.

 

Unless your character is like mine was and actually thinks the Dread Wolf is likely a good god and is even a "fan" of his (for want of a better word). In which case she might have done a fangirl squee upon learning she was his freaking girlfriend. And that she had sex with him! She had sex with an elven god, and her favorite one at that! That would make her entire year.

 

.....Only that's entirely your headcanon >_>''''

 

Also - I hardly see any sensible, mature Inquisitor behave like that, especially if she has to face the scenario in which Fen'Harel either has done something morally dubious or is about to do something terrible.