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[midnight tea]

Going on a tangent, it just occurred to me that this might be why he had so much difficulty resisting Lavellan, even if he knew it was wrong to pursue a relationship with her. If you think of it, one moment he has unlimited female attention, then the next he wakes up and he is a hermit with a pretty bad reputation (either an elven apostate or Fen'Harel don't exactly have a desirable status at present days). He himself admits, "It's been a long time." And then Lavellan actually takes an interest in him. Of course he would feel this is very special. 

 

Special is probably an understatement - though form his perspective it might feel more like a massive cosmic joke at his expense. Think about it - he's been beaten by life likely numerous times (be it by his own doing or someone else's... likely both) and he's on the last turn on his path to finish his grim mission and here, suddenly, the universe places on his way a young, smart, attractive woman who showers him with love, affection and understanding.

 

It would be the grandest irony of them all, if the thing that made Solas fail at his mission weren't demons, Blight, forgotten gods or rivals, horrors from Fade or beyond, thousands of years of solitude, betrayals, persecution, slander or else, but LOVE

[Ramification]

Honestly? I wouldn't be surprised if that was the way he was betrayed - because the fact that he was betrayed at some point is kinda well-established.

 

Or it might as well be sort of "Batman: The Dark Knight" scenario, when an accomplice or someone he trusts or cares about does something bad and Fen'Harel takes the blame.

Personally, I think he and Mythal were both betrayed. I wonder if he was used as a tool somehow in it all. He admitted to being "hotheaded". Perhaps he acted impulsively or trusted too much etc... He blames himself for not having his guard up which led to a bunch of bad. 

 

Even is he WAS used or betrayed or whatever, Solas would likely place the blame on his doorstep, particularly if he believes HE's the one to make it right. I think he just rolls like that. He doesn't seem to push responsibility down hill. 

[Cee]

Personally, I think he and Mythal were both betrayed. I wonder if he was used as a tool somehow in it all. He admitted to being "hotheaded". Perhaps he acted impulsively or trusted too much etc... He blames himself for not having his guard up which led to a bunch of bad. 

 

I think this may turn out to be the case too. Whatever betrayals he hints at might have had something to do with Mythal's betrayal and subsequent murder. What finally compelled him to act may have been a thread that spun out from this mess if everyone wound up severely out of control. Especially if it came to the murder of one of their own and things like Falon'Din's attention-seeking bloodbaths.

[Illyria]

I have more of an issue with Blackwall than Solas, to be honest. I still hold with the feeling that he acts noble and does the right thing because that's how he wants to be seen, and maybe that's how he really wants to be - but he holds himself back from that by virtue of playing the part, rather than being the part. I don't see him as reformed at all. It does make him an interesting character, but certainly not one that has repented and learned from his actions. I'd love to see an arc with him that explores that idea, but it's just my interpretation and probably not the story he's meant to follow.

 

We still have to wait and see as far as Solas is concerned.

 

What I find very interesting is the note you find on one of the bodies during Blackwall recuitment.  One of the bandits knew he really was and was trying to blackmail him into working for them.  So that raises the question: did Blackwall take down those men because it was right, or because he was protecting his secret?

[Cee]

What I find very interesting is the note you find on one of the bodies during Blackwall recuitment.  One of the bandits knew he really was and was trying to blackmail him into working for them.  So that raises the question: did Blackwall take down those men because it was right, or because he was protecting his secret?

 

This and Cole's insight is usually helpful, but with Blackwall you just kind of get a lot of guilt and fear and things that probably chill him because of memories/discovery. With Solas, Cole does speak of pain and regret.

[Illyria]

http://www.polygon.c...omic-dark-horse

 

*excitment*

 

Someone light the Magister Signal so Giton can see this.

[Cee]

I saw that comic news this morning.    I wish it were a DLC announcement but if this is our setup, it is welcome setup. Hopefully a DLC announcement isn't far behind though.

[RoraM]

I saw that comic news this morning.    I wish it were a DLC announcement but if this is our setup, it is welcome setup. Hopefully a DLC announcement isn't far behind though.

Even as of June 30th, Mr. Laidlaw has been reticent regarding DLC timelines. Sigh.

[Cee]

Even as of June 30th, Mr. Laidlaw has been reticent regarding DLC timelines. Sigh.

 

Yep, all we get is "soon". But we have this comic announced that will take us to Tevinter. A while ago David Gaider said he was writing Fenris again, and Fenris, as of Inquisition, was off killing Tevinter slavers and freeing people. I think he clarified it was for a novel. So, there are rumblings pointing to our northern guesses.

 

Now, if only we could get some rumblings pertaining to Solas other than the "one particular arc" thing we got months ago.

 

So we definitely should be getting something for Inquisition. Considering how well it sold and the previous DA games' DLC, we're pretty due for an announcement.

[ChuChu]

I saw that comic news this morning. I wish it were a DLC announcement but if this is our setup, it is welcome setup. Hopefully a DLC announcement isn't far behind though.

I don't think the comic will be vital to grounding future DLC (unless lead DA writers get more involved), and that's just my opinion, but it will serve to satiate us world and lore monsters who would like to know more about Tevinter. :>

In regards to future DLC... Let's see. We know Leliana and the Inquisitor both were having voice acting done. Or at least that's what I've been told and read -- so it's second hand information. We know that a tweet said 'soon' in regards to DLC info... Plus the info revealed in the survey earlier. So I have my fingers crossed we will learn more in the next month or two. Though maybe that's optimistic? We have more evidence of forthcoming DLC than we did in December, at least!

[Cee]

I don't think the comic will be vital to grounding future DLC (unless lead DA writers get more involved), and that's just my opinion, but it will serve to satiate us world and lore monsters who would like to know more about Tevinter. :>

 

I didn't mean DLC, I meant forthcoming media that will serve to bridge the gap to the next game, which many speculate will find us heading north. And if David Gaider is writing another DA novel if he's writing Fenris again, it might, given where Fenris is as of DAI. Like how Asunder and The Masked Empire and the comics served between DA2 and DAI.

 

 

I saw the tweet about new Leliana lines.  So yes, that's confirmed. I should write more of my Leliana fic but I have not been inspired in fiction at all lately and it has been frustrating, since I have been trying. It's all been mud.

[ChuChu]

I didn't mean DLC, I meant forthcoming media that will serve to bridge the gap to the next game, which many speculate will find us heading north. And if David Gaider is writing another DA novel if he's writing Fenris again, it might, given where Fenris is as of DAI. Like how Asunder and The Masked Empire and the comics served between DA2 and DAI.
 
 
I saw the tweet about new Leliana lines.  So yes, that's confirmed. I should write more of my Leliana fic but I have not been inspired in fiction at all lately and it has been frustrating, since I have been trying. It's all been mud.

Oh okay, my misunderstanding then. I view the comic more as filler equivalent (though maybe it might give us a nugget)... but yes, I'm hoping the upcoming novel Involving Fenris might be more telling

[nikki-tikki]

Mage hunter is not written by Gaider. Greg Rucka is writing it. 

 

Edit: Do not feed my Fenris addiction. I read the article like 6 times to make sure...that picture of Fenris is deceiving. 

[Cee]

Mage hunter is not written by Gaider. Greg Rucka is writing it. 

 

Edit: Do not feed my Fenris addiction. I read the article like 6 times to make sure...that picture of Fenris is deceiving. 

 

Right, Rucka is writing it. But Gaider tweeted he was writing Fenris again and when people asked, he clarified it's for a book.

 

https://twitter.com/...491114243596288

 

https://twitter.com/...91538942029826T

 

These tweets were from right before WoT2 came out so that wasn't the book.

[CapricornSun]

Can't wait to read Magekiller.  But, ugh, I'm dying for any DLC news. D:

 

 

Anyway, art break!

 

Adorable Solavellan artwork by limpstella.

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Source: http://limpstella.tu...or-clearlytired

 

 

Dancing at Halamshiral.

Spoiler

Source: http://whitthur.tumb...ar-the-man-suit

 

 

Solas and what was.

Spoiler

Source: http://verynonyideas...nony-this-was-a

 

 

Fen'Harel color palette.

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Source: http://peacepowerpie...-feels-so-great

 

[NightSymphony]

hehehe...and a new liliumsnow comic ..it's Anders and Hawk though

http://liliumsnow.de...-Vent-544136547

[Cee]

 

Dancing at Halamshiral.

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Source: http://whitthur.tumb...ar-the-man-suit

 

 

 

What is that other foot?

 

It honestly took me like 10 seconds to figure out what position it was supposed to be in.

 

Pretty piece though.

 

[nikki-tikki]

Right, Rucka is writing it. But Gaider tweeted he was writing Fenris again and when people asked, he clarified it's for a book.

 

https://twitter.com/...491114243596288

 

https://twitter.com/...91538942029826T

 

These tweets were from right before WoT2 came out so that wasn't the book.

 

Could be his own book. Considering he's not even mentioned as cowriting it. Don't think it's the same one. 

[Cee]

Could be his own book. Considering he's not even mentioned as cowriting it. Don't think it's the same one. 

 

I wasn't talking about the comic, but a probable new DA novel.

[DarthEmpress]

I hope we get a young Solas book written by Weekes    There's all sorts of things that could be explored like how his relationships were with the other Elven gods and if Andruil really did tie him to a tree.............

 

This waiting for DLC is killing me, especially since I bet we aren't getting that "romance" DLC I've been hoping for    It worries me that there will only be like two DLCs, that possible Deep Roads one and the finale.  I want MOAR before you make me play a new character in DA4~!

 

[Janic99]

My interpretation of the break-up.

Solas sees how everything is going down post Mythal Temple and decides it's time to confess. He'll come clean to his love because he hates the lies AND the truth will better arm her in decisions like the one at the Well of Sorrows.

He likes symbols, so he takes her away to some place meaningful. The journey gives him some time to prep and he wants to be totally away from the distractions of Inquisition.

Show time. He's looking her in the eyes and he recognizes that she's oblivious to what's about to come out of his mouth. She trusts him 100 percent! Suspects nothing this big. He gets a cold feeling in the pit of his stomach because he doesn't know how she'll react. She might not believe him like the Dalish when he tried to share even more palatable concepts. Or she might be disgusted and hate him. He's feared this for a long time and ugh...he looses his nerve. He can't face her accusations or enmity.

He backs off into safer territory and talks about the Vallaslin. He tells a truth with meaning but nothing about himself.

The Quiz listens and no matter what choice she makes she believes him. Ugh that makes him love her more because other elves thought him a madman. So maybe there is another way? If she believed him maybe he should just get his head out of all this ancient history and...

.....kisses kiss......

Wait . No wait. No no. He can't keep that all from her and just BE with her. That's a HUGE lie!!!!!!!

 

<Backing-up from her>

 

What was he thinking? She'll never accept all this and is he realllly going to abandon everything now? Give himself this gift he doesn't deserve and manipulate someone who loves and trusts him? He can't respect himself and he would loose respect for her/them if he had to watch her wandering around blindly in love not knowing who he is. 

He ends it there and then knowing he can't give her a future. She'll get over it. She's strong and being cold will help her get over it faster.

Cut to every other post break up banter and Solas is torn up about it. Cole confirms it. Solas is rolling the break up over in his mind heartbroken too.

Solas believes he had no choice. It's better this way for a myriad of reasons and he's over confident enough to believe he's handling this in the best way for her sake. Now that he's resigned to his plans, I suspect he fears she would try to stop him if she catches on. If she does find out and chooses to try to stop him, better she's free to do that without the complication of an "emotional entanglement". Although, I think Solas misses the fact that breaking up with her didn't end anything in their hearts and a confrontation will be complicated no matter what. He did the best he could at the time, but recognizes that he could have done better as demonstrated in self deprecating comments such as "it was selfish of me" and "I'm furious with himself too."

Credit roll.

In closing, I think he should have told her but that's not Solas. I 100% believe that he wants to leave her with the freedom to chose to oppose him without the complexity of love and loyalty getting in the way. She's "free" to chose and he owed her that much at least. 


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I think this is amazing but I would've added the part where he def doesn't want to sabotage the mission telling them like '' Hey I'm Fen'Harel, ''god'' you hate so much and btw that orb is mine and I gave it to Cory and fucked everything up and now we all pay for it... DO YOU MIND ME STILL HELPING YOU OUT? '' 

XDDDDD I mean.. if I was in his place.. there was no way he could've confessed. But he definetely wanted to.. multiple times. Also the second kiss where he says '' you show a wisdom I have not seen since..... -deep silence- SINCE MY DEEPEST JORNEYS INTO THE ANCIENT MEMORIES OF THE FADE! ''  He definetely wanted to tell her at that point already.

[laurelinvanyar]

Honestly? I wouldn't be surprised if that was the way he was betrayed - because the fact that he was betrayed at some point is kinda well-established.

 

Or it might as well be sort of "Batman: The Dark Knight" scenario, when an accomplice or someone he trusts or cares about does something bad and Fen'Harel takes the blame.

We do have Geldauran's crazy manifesto. We also have Solas/Sera banter where he encourages her to get rid of operatives that go too far. Fen'Harel does have some connection to the Forgotten Ones. 

[nikki-tikki]

I wasn't talking about the comic, but a probable new DA novel.

 

idk what you were talking about then...ppl were asking about the comic and commenting about the possibility of Fenris being in it. Not Gaider's novel. 

[MayriyaNoori]

I think this is amazing but I would've added the part where he def doesn't want to sabotage the mission telling them like '' Hey I'm Fen'Harel, ''god'' you hate so much and btw that orb is mine and I gave it to Cory and fucked everything up and now we all pay for it... DO YOU MIND ME STILL HELPING YOU OUT? '' 

XDDDDD I mean.. if I was in his place.. there was no way he could've confessed. But he definetely wanted to.. multiple times. Also the second kiss where he says '' you show a wisdom I have not seen since..... -deep silence- SINCE MY DEEPEST JORNEYS INTO THE ANCIENT MEMORIES OF THE FADE! ''  He definetely wanted to tell her at that point already.

When I did the balcony scene on my second play through and knew who Solas was.....that line made me super sad for him. Because....and this is speculation of course as with EVERYTHING Solas......but to me it sounds like he's saying he hasn't met anyone like you since Arlathan times. I think he says this to any Inquisitor he becomes friends with. But think about that.....that would mean Solas hasn't had a friend like the Inquisitor in like 2000 years.....and if it's a romanced Lavellan it makes it even sadder.

 

Funny enough I searched Youtube to see the balcony scene with other race Inquisitors and this popped up. A song called The Balcony Scene by Pierce the Veil.

 

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"The Balcony Scene"

Don't react when I tell you...
And don't react when I tell you...
That bright lights mean nothing to you
'Cause no one would know the sound of a ghost
And I might be something to you
Beyond beautiful is the sound of a ghost

Can we lose our minds
And call it love for the last time?
(Yeah)
My darling never rest
Until the darker gets
The best of all we had
Can the cold carry on?

When the light means nothing to you
Then no one would know
The sound of a ghost
And I might be perfect with you
But no one would know
So tell me, tell me

Have you ever really danced on the edge?
Is something still scaring you?
Have you ever really danced on the edge?
The count of three is up
Have you ever really danced on the edge?
All right, then, tell me so
Have you ever really danced on the edge?
Just hold my hand and jump

And bright lights mean nothing to you
'Cause no one would know the sound of a ghost
Oh, no one would know the sound of a ghost

 

I believe the Fade in our world is the Internet and Solas is subtly changing its reality. Just read some of the lyrics. I mean really, wtf this kind of stuff doesn't just pop up for anyone else does it?!?!?!

[Cee]

I hope we get a young Solas book written by Weekes    There's all sorts of things that could be explored like how his relationships were with the other Elven gods and if Andruil really did tie him to a tree.............

 

This waiting for DLC is killing me, especially since I bet we aren't getting that "romance" DLC I've been hoping for    It worries me that there will only be like two DLCs, that possible Deep Roads one and the finale.  I want MOAR before you make me play a new character in DA4~!

 

I have some hope that, because of just how well DAI sold, that we'll be getting more than just those two DLCs. A romance DLC would be out of the question though, given 80% of Inquisitors are human. I also expect to see more multiplayer updates in between too, but whatever's going on with Solas will definitely have to wait. Though I hope in whatever the next DLC is, we start to get some seeds.

 

BW is likely to switch over into full ME mode once we get to 2016, but I'm still hoping DA has more than just Deep Roads and an end DLC.

 

Though I do hope now that console timed exclusive is over, they're a lot better at releases because while I really liked JoH, the two months to release to most platforms was a disaster. Especially releasing right with The Witcher 3.
 

idk what you were talking about then...ppl were asking about the comic and commenting about the possibility of Fenris being in it. Not Gaider's novel. 

 

Not in here, we were talking about the comic and then I mentioned how the comic and whatever novel Gaider is working on, considering where Fenris is and what he's doing as of DAI, seem to lend credence to the Tevinter guesses for next game. If the comic and more books are on the way to be a bridge between games as they have been in the past.