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Right there in the Chargers cutscene and after with Iron Bull expanding on it. :) And then fans use that to clarify Sten's earlier views on the matter. Bull gives the Qun's basic view of such things, and when the writers were asked to clarify, they expanded. It's not unexpected that it would need clarification, it's a rather complicated issue for Bull to sit the Inquisitor down and have a pow-wow. Bull even seems a little short with the Inquisitor over it. Most Qunari probably wouldn't be as defensive of Krem's being identified as a man, just befuddled as to why people would refer him as a her. Bull, being over-protective and more familiar with outsiders, goes all mother-hen.

I think fanon was actually the opposite, that transsexuals lives would be nightmarish under the Qun. 

And I was being an ass because I misread your post as asking why Bull didn't have the same problem that Sten did. :P

 

I never interpreted it as a Qun thing tbh. Like when I meet a transexual (or whatever the right word for Krem who still has the female body) and they tell me "In fact, I am fe/male", I also just accept this. Only my thinking being "Their brain is fe/male, whatever the body looks like, so this is it". But I can still accept a transgender (?) in a male body, saying she were female, who does martial arts or is a soldier. Because the profession and the "felt" gender are unrelated for me. The idea of the Qun as I understood it from what the fandom says ("The profession determines the gender, not biology") is still a bit different and I just never saw it clearly stated in the game. 

 

I just thought Bull were simply very liberal, not interested in the body and accepting the feelings and thoughts of Krem, i.e. the personality, as being more important. I think I especially thought so because Bull gets sort of passive-aggressive (like "Stop this, don't even think it, Krem says he's a man so that is what he is, period"). Or that's how I interpreted it. No confusion as to why I would even question the gender or a warrior (because any warrior were obviously male), but rather a "I will defend Krem and if you got a problem with him you got a problem with me so let it go". Bull has the awareness for Krem not being "normal" in society. But if the Qun didn't distinguish gender based on the body, he should not have that awareness and instead be confused. (I find it so damn hard to express what I mean... does it make any sense?)

 

Which is why I said Bull is a bad example. He's lived outside the Qun for so long, even says so himself, that he is detached from it, having adopted an "external's" point of view. He is not actually Qunari anymore.

 

And the things he said I did not understand as referring to the gender of a person. So at least I want them to subsequently explain this more thoroughly in later games, hopefully when we go to Par Vollen (and see some "female" warriors, that would be cool). 

 

Though the whole gender issue makes absolutely no sense in the first place. If the Qunari are bred, basically manufactured, why do they need different body types (i.e. genders) at all? Of course they don't need to distinguish male and female if they are just test-tube babies anyway. So why not carry the concept much further even? Oh god, I really shouldn't start thinking about it, I already start to see too many inconsistencies and gaps. :(


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The Qunari are meant to be full of logical inconsistencies and gaps, I think. :P

And no, you make sense. Bull, while raised among the Qun, has awareness of how different things are. So he's much more aware of Krem's trannsexuality than other Qunari would be. But, since he was raised in that society, he sees nothing unusual about it. I think the one piece of information you were missing is that the writers confirmed that it's not just Iron Bull being unusual, it's that Qunari society actually believes what he says. He's not making stuff up to make Krem feel like there might actually be a society out there that would accept that part of him.

The Qunari are bred like cattle are bred. :) No test tubes that I'm aware of. So you've got bakers breeding with bakers to produce a better baker. But sometimes that produces an accountant instead. The Qun apparently doesn't like to waste effort, so they'll go ahead and make that baker's child an accountant like he was obviously meant to be.  :lol: (Nothing to see here. Move along. The breeding program made no error.) 

So I think it's basically if you're still acting like whatever the Tamrassrans tagged you as a child, then you're chill with the Qun. In Iron Bull's case, a spy. Sten, a soldier. And for the Qunari like Krem, they may have been born with another sex's body, but the Tamrassans identify them as belonging to the other sex and assign them duties accordingly. 

Am I making sense or am I word-salading again?  :lol:


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O GODS! MY EYES! THEY BURN!

Yeah what's up with that? His body looks really pale and thin. Maybe it's his reaction to being forced to wear something Qunari? :lol:

 

Thank god the Avvar armor looks better...

Agreed.


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Am I making sense or am I word-salading again?  :lol:

 

Nah, I do understand this logic. Understood it before, it's quite simple. Only thing being I never saw any confirmation of this "being the case" in the game. (No, I never read the out-of-game things like when writers state something.) I want them to say it in the game, not only outside in some interview (which I wouldn't ever even know about anyway). Many people call that bad but I just don't want meta-knowledge to influence my RPG. Call me stubborn.


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Re: If solas had a tumblr

He'd quickly become irritated with the people who view him as a perfect flawless being who can do no wrong, lol.


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Hi guys! I took a break from DA while I smashed FFXIV:ARR and Heavensward. It's good to see discussion is still going on even if it's slowed down. ^^

 

Any news? Interesting theories? I think I have several million pages to scrawl through. xD


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Re: If solas had a tumblr

He'd quickly become irritated with the people who view him as a perfect flawless being who csn do no wrong, lol.

And the irony of it all..... lol



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Welcome back Armdin! :)


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Hi guys! I took a break from DA while I smashed FFXIV:ARR and Heavensward. It's good to see discussion is still going on even if it's slowed down. ^^

 

Any news? Interesting theories? I think I have several million pages to scrawl through. xD

Hi there!

- Solas positivity week on tumblr

- No more DLC for old gen consoles. It's ps4, xb1 and pc from here on out.

- "What do you find appealing about Solas?"

- Art, Art and more art! <3

- Spoils of Qunari DLC pack (Solas looks like he steeped in a brine from the neck down).

- "Can Solas mind-wipe people memories?" The answer being "No "


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grumbles when will Spoils of Qunari go on Origin store..


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grumbles when will Spoils of Qunari go on Origin store..

I only want it for the throne.  And the 2 giant statues of nude Qunari men is saxual poses.  Worth 5.00 bucks. 


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Hi there!

- Solas positivity week on tumblr

- No more DLC for old gen consoles. It's ps4, xb1 and pc from here on out.

- "What do you find appealing about Solas?"

- Art, Art and more art! <3

- Spoils of Qunari DLC pack (Solas looks like he steeped in a brine from the neck down).

- "Can Solas mind-wipe people memories?" The answer being "No "

 

No more DLC? D: That sucks! It's expected for them to start phasing out the older consoles to encourage you to buy the new ones, but they should at least finish up on the current products. x( Boooooo! Edit: Feeling grateful that I bought it on PC now. x)

 

And holy crap! I think Solas's body shrunk in the wash! That one needs a revision, I think. xD


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for anyone having trouble with mods since the patch this fixed it for me


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Re: If solas had a tumblr

He'd quickly become irritated with the people who view him as a perfect flawless being who can do no wrong, lol.

 

I reckon he'd start trolling them after a while. Begin spouting bullshit in conversations with them and see how much of it they take at face-value.

 

Then he'd realise that there's nobody else on tumblr who gets his in-jokes about the intricacies of ancient elven culture. Aw, poor Solas :(


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Why? Adhering to this logic: if Krem wanted to be a tailor, that would make him female, case closed. Problem might only be if Krem said "I am male" but wants to be a tailor. And this is something Bull does not seem to have a problem with. No "Damn, you're a girl, you can't be a warrior" like Sten said. Instead Bull's all just "As you say, boss" right from the start (whatever the reasons, because I am sure we can find a few).

 

However, this "the gender is defined by the profession, not by biology" thing is something that was added (by the fandom?) retrospectively, after DAO. It was never communicated as such in DAO (or the other games). Which is why I dislike it. I want BW to clearly say so in a game to be fine with it.

 

If Krem wanted to be a tailor then, to a Qunari, he would be female.  To Qunari Krem makes sense.  He's a warrior so he's a man.  The body he was born with doesn't affect that.  But Qunari wouldn't understand tailor!Krem identifying as a man because that's a female profession.  If Krem=Warrior is true, then Krem=male is true.



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Wait, I just wrote something just like that, let me think.... "Problem might only be if Krem said "I am male" but wants to be a tailor. And this is something Bull does not seem to have a problem with. No "Damn, you're a girl, you can't be a warrior" like Sten said. Instead Bull's all just "As you say, boss" right from the start (whatever the reasons, because I am sure we can find a few)." :P

 

And my problem is that I never saw the writers expand on this. Or did I miss it? When does the game clearly say that this is the idea of the Qun? I only know fan theories like that but never saw any in-game confirmation. If I only missed it that would make me feel better.

 

This is why I said that Bull is trying to convince himself about the Qun.  He's cherry picking the nice parts - and the parts that currently support his way of life - and that's what he's telling his friends.  He doesn't tell Krem that he'd only be accepted because he's a warrior.  He tells his friend that the Qunari have a term for people like him so Krem won't feel alone, or like an outcast.
 


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Solas/m!Lavellan is the only non-canon pairing I can put up with.  Solas/humans just bothers me.  It's like, 'yeah, we crushed your homeland, enslaved your people, made your religion illegal and keep your people walled off in the poorest district of the cities and now I'm banging your god.'
 

 

Same. Though Solas/f!Adaar is amusing for where his head would generally reach but that's just an amusing art thing. m!Lavellan would be similarly relevant to f!Lavellan.

 

Sera and Adaar are going to be wearing that all time.

 

Sera Greatly Approves.  Woof.
 

 

I was thinking the same. For my Lavellan and Sera. :wub:

 

Though I do wonder how it looks on other companions out of sheer, probable eye-bleeding curiosity.



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You can watch BioFan's little review on YT. Apparently the armor looks abysmal on Cole and it removes Varric's signature chest hair  :P


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Oh dear.

 

That armor on Cole.

 

Jennifer-Lawrence-Makes-Gross-Face.gif

 

 

On Sera and Cassandra though. :wub:

 

And Dorian. Dorian could make a sack look nice.

 

 

Something seems off with Blackwall in it too.


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I think the new armours look awful on Solas (too skinny) and Cole (too burly). Actually I never figured out why they made Cole so muscular...It doesn't fit to the character IMO...
The female light armour though... Makes me think of "slave Leia" somehow. Héhé!


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for anyone having trouble with mods since the patch this fixed it for me

 

 

Thanks for that.  But I think I'm just going to focus on my Adaar for now.  She only has two mods that really affect her (hair replacement and PJ replacement) compared to my Lavellan.


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I think the new armors look awful on Solas (too skinny) and Cole (too burly). Actually I never figured out why they made Cole so muscular...It doesn't fit to the character IMO...

 

This is another reason why I don't like Cole's promo art that much. This one http://img3.wikia.no...nal_art.jpg.jpg

 

It's just not quite 'Cole'.

 

And yes, he is rather broad. If my skinny Lavellan can work with daggers, Cole could have. ;)


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No Solas art to post at the moment...but here is Fenris..

 

http://ruby-rust.dev...MATED-544657307


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for anyone having trouble with mods since the patch this fixed it for me

 

Looks at fix, smacks head against the table. Ugh, well it looks like there will be no mods for me, as my Patch seven file is recycling bin dust

 

Not sure I am going to pick up Spoils of the Qunari, it looks like it has way too many mesh problems

 

Goes back to wading through the posts to catch up with convo



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I don't know if this had been posted here before or not but this artwork & accompanying writing is one of the funniest one I had seen in tumblr yet ^^

 

http://schrodanger.t...adopted-a-small

 

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“…And so it was that Mythal adopted a small spirit puppy named Fen’harel. 

Fen’harel cried and cried at night, for Mythal would not give him more Milkbones. And Fen’harel really liked Milkbones.

Andruil, daughter of Mythal, went to her mother one night and said: 

“Mom, it’s ****** 3 in the morning, I have to get up early to go hunting tomorrow, and Fen’harel won’t shut the **** up.” 

Wise Mythal replied, “We must ignore his cries. We can’t teach him that rebellion is to be rewarded.”

And the great Andruil said, “Yeah okay whatever mom.” 

Foolish / pissed off / really damn tired Andruil disobeyed her mother’s words and fed Fen’harel not one, but six Milkbones. Fen’harel saw that his whining was well-rewarded, and so he started down his infamous path as the god-spirit of rebellion.”


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