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Well I don't really have a theory, its just something I thought about while reading the codex on Dirthamen and how he tamed ravens, Fear and Deceit. What if the ancient elves were more animistic, and the Forgotten Ones were an older group of gods, or perhaps from another ancient tribe of elves that were conquered by Arlathan. If you think about it, the Creators are more like gods of civilization, said to be gods of justice, knowledge, craft, etc. The Forgotten Ones are said to be figures of fear, dread, terror... But maybe that's just another way of saying they were more wild, or were worshipped pre empire/civilization.

 

I'd say it reminds me of Greek mythology again and postulate that there might as well be (have been?) an older generation of gods/elves/beings than Creators (Elgar'Nan did fight with his father after all).

 

....Although Geldauran's note found in JOH indicates that they might belong to younger generation of god-like beings (or those who aspire to the title) than Mythal and the rest.


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Consoles are easier, putting aside the recent fiasco with BW and old gen, you buy a game and you know it's going to play but imo you lose a lot of flexibility. You have to play the game as is, you can't edit files to fix the things the company might never get around to fixing or make the run smoother.

 

And then there's the cosmetic mods, hair, make-up, pretty clothes and armour  :wub:  :wub:  :wub:

 

I understand the appeal of consoles but at heart I'm a pc gamer.

 

 

With the recent announcement about single player content being unlock by DAMP I wonder if BW have a new manager, someone very focused on the bottom line or wanting to prove something to their bosses at EA. Dragon décor is clearly an incentive to get people to play DAMP and probably buy chests so they can fight the dragon asap. They're even splitting hairs on Twitter about it being cosmetic and not story content. While cutting off old gen could easily be a weighed decision about costs verses sales.  

 

That's one of the reasons I generally prefer PC gaming ... mods.  Though tbh I've never really understood the appeal of consoles.

 

And that SP unlock through MP ... bleh.  Content is content.  I'd like to get the decor but I'd need to find someone to carry me through MP heh.  Not sure I'm willing to put forth the effort though.

 

Edit:  I shouldn't say I've never seen the appeal of consoles.  They tend to be much cheaper than most gaming PCs and thus they make games accessible to more people.  That's a good thing.



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I play on both console and PC, but i generally prefer PC because it gives more freedom on controls, it runs better (DA:I got insane loading times on my PS4 compared to my PC - no load times at all on my PC, but ofc this all depends on the PC's specs) and of course mods.


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That's one of the reasons I generally prefer PC gaming ... mods.  Though tbh I've never really understood the appeal of consoles.

 

And that SP unlock through MP ... bleh.  Content is content.  I'd like to get the decor but I'd need to find someone to carry me through MP heh.  Not sure I'm willing to put forth the effort though.

 

Edit:  I shouldn't say I've never seen the appeal of consoles.  They tend to be much cheaper than most gaming PCs and thus they make games accessible to more people.  That's a good thing.

But games for the consoles are generally a lot more exspensive than the same games for PC's. I usually see games for Xbox and PS4 cost approximately $25 more than the games for PC.


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..... Mentioning Sirius Black before reminded me of KTSHY's fan-comic:

 

 

 

Great..... Now I can't help but to imagine that this is exactly what Solas did xD


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I'm thinking that you're going in the right direction with not taking the wolf thing literally, and I'd expand that to the "half this, half that," too - we know he moved between the FOs and the pantheon with impunity, but my question is how he can do that; one possible answer is the hero archetype, BUT more on that later.

 

I really, really need to work.

I think it will be so delicious once we find out Solas' history and his access to both factions. I think either he was amongst the Pantheon and the Forgotten Ones were a faction he joined in secret (to create a New Order)... or perhaps he was a servant himself at one point, and that was how he was able to go back and forth. Or maybe he is a half something, after all. I want my DLC. I want answers to these things :< 

 

I researched and installed a new graphics card last year and I was very proud of myself.

 

I found youtube to be a great help, they made it look so easy and then I did it and it was :D

 

Next job is a processor but my motherboard seems to be limiting me a lot. Honestly I think it might be cheaper for me to get something half decent and use that as my starting off point rather than the one I have now. 

 

I need to have something for Fallout 4. 

I forcibly got involved in computer building when I had an assignment due, and my power supply blew. Hooking up a new power supply forced me to learn every single piece of my machine, haha. After that, it was easy!


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But games for the consoles are generally a lot more exspensive than the same games for PC's. I usually see games for Xbox and PS4 cost approximately $25 more than the games for PC.

Plus computers have so many uses!!! And instead of replacing them with the next version, you just switch a part in and out every couple years! :)

Some people dig consoles, some people dig PCs. I think both have their merits, but my computer far surpasses anything a console can do...so I often feel consoles have the short end of the stick. Exception being console-only games. I'm going to have to get a PS4 soon for all those upcoming games, for instance.


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Plus computers have so many uses!!! And instead of replacing them with the next version, you just switch a part in and out every couple years! :)

Some people dig consoles, some people dig PCs. I think both have their merits, but my computer far surpasses anything a console can do...so I often feel consoles have the short end of the stick. Exception being console-only games. I'm going to have to get a PS4 soon for all those upcoming games, for instance.

Exactly! Like i said, i play on both PC and console, so i enjoy both, but for me PC gets the longer straw!


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You know, Solas may end up being a spirit bound to a wolf or something silly like that, but I still find it hard to understand why people take the wolf thing so far. Even if he has a preferred animal form, that's hardly anything different from what we see with Flemeth or Morrigan. Or any other shapeshifter. There's a lot of wolf symbolism in the game, but how else were they going to troll us as to his supposed real identity? :P 

 

It does make me much more interested in who Fen'Harel really was, and what he did, and how the title of Dread Wolf came about. Do you suppose we'll get those answers in DLC, or have to wait for DA4? :unsure:


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I'd say it reminds me of Greek mythology again and postulate that there might as well be (have been?) an older generation of gods/elves/beings than Creators (Elgar'Nan did fight with his father after all).

....Although Geldauran's note found in JOH indicates that they might belong to younger generation of god-like beings (or those who aspire to the title) than Mythal and the rest.

We do see this same pattern of older more primordial titans/gods being overthrown by increasingly more individual gods, representing more complex ideas/cultural functions.

The Forgotten Ones were said to come from the Void, so I think that suggests they were either very old spirits/demons from the time before the veil....or they could have been a younger generation seeking to overthrow their Creators. Either way I think a journey to the Void plays an integral role in this whole individuation and godhood process.

I wonder if this is part of Solas' issue with the Dalish? He's seen it before maybe? Maybe the FO's were counter revolutionaries like the Dalish, wanting to overthrow the Creators to go back to their old ways. Solas himself strikes me as a kind of counter revolutionary, so I wonder if he was one of them for time, as part of their faction/tribe.
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You know, Solas may end up being a spirit bound to a wolf or something silly like that, but I still find it hard to understand why people take the wolf thing so far. Even if he has a preferred animal form, that's hardly anything different from what we see with Flemeth or Morrigan. Or any other shapeshifter. There's a lot of wolf symbolism in the game, but how else were they going to troll us as to his supposed real identity? :P

 

It does make me much more interested in who Fen'Harel really was, and what he did, and how the title of Dread Wolf came about. Do you suppose we'll get those answers in DLC, or have to wait for DA4? :unsure:

I hope we get them in the DLC - or at least some answers. If this is what we're left with about Solas until the next game, i think i'll go mad.



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Another pondery...

 

Mass Effect 4 is coming out next year...Will the new computer I buy be able to play it?  Maybe I'll just get an XBox One.  *sighs*

 

This is a worry of mine. I'm going into postgraduate study so the chances are I'll be pretty broke for the next four years or so. I can't afford a console AND a computer (and I need a computer, quite honestly, but I can live easily without a console). My laptop - not desktop, sadly, otherwise I could get new parts etc. easily - is less than six months old but it's not high end, because I'm not too well off. It struggled with DA:I, and I figure it'll have a breakdown when faced with ME4 :(

 

I mean this is why I usually buy games several years after they come out, and why I'm not friends with gamers. It's an expensive hobby to keep up to date with when you get sucked into it.

 

I fell in love with ME - and still want to continue on with the series, despite the disappointment with ME3's ending - and I'll probably buy ME4, even if I haven't really been completely satisfied by any of BW's games since ME2/DA:O (I can count dozens of problems in DA2 and DA:I until there's nothing left - but I generally don't try and think about those flaws because there's also a lot to like, and it's a waste of energy). I'd be really upset if I wasn't able to run the game :(

 

Still, no regrets being a PC gamer. Customising controls, countless mods, save editing... I think I have a much better deal.


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But games for the consoles are generally a lot more exspensive than the same games for PC's. I usually see games for Xbox and PS4 cost approximately $25 more than the games for PC.

 

Honestly I usually see them cost the same price.  Which is usually about $60 for non-CEs and if the game is on the PC at all.  A lot of games are console exclusive.



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It does make me much more interested in who Fen'Harel really was, and what he did, and how the title of Dread Wolf came about. Do you suppose we'll get those answers in DLC, or have to wait for DA4? :unsure:

 

I'm afraid that, as Solas put it, "the answers will only lead to more questions" :( 

And in Kotaku Asks they said either Laidlaw, Darrah or Aaryn Flynn said that with upcoming DLC(s) they'll tie some loose ends... but not all of them. Pretty obviously Solas will remain such loos thread till DA4 - though in what way, we're yet to see.

 

 

 

We do see this same pattern of older more primordial titans/gods being overthrown by increasingly more individual gods, representing more complex ideas/cultural functions.

The Forgotten Ones were said to come from the Void, so I think that suggests they were either very old spirits/demons from the time before the veil....or they could have been a younger generation seeking to overthrow their Creators. Either way I think a journey to the Void plays an integral role in this whole individuation and godhood process.

I wonder if this is part of Solas' issue with the Dalish? He's seen it before maybe? Maybe the FO's were counter revolutionaries like the Dalish, wanting to overthrow the Creators to go back to their old ways. Solas himself strikes me as a kind of counter revolutionary, so I wonder if he was one of them for time, as part of their faction/tribe.

 

I wouldn't be surprised - It might as well be like it was with Greek Gods... again. I mean, Zeus actively got rid of his offspring, if he learned that they could oppose and overthrow him. Ironically, the Olympians eventually became as settled in their cosmic spots and as unwilling to move and make place for new generation as their forefathers (I admit, I'm a sucker for such narratives to a point I've been experimenting with it myself for years now and would be glad to see BWs take on it).

 

Maybe the reason there was a rebellion was because the previous pantheons, including Creators, eventually failed to move and make space for new generations or only did things to secure their cozy, godly spot, at the expense of others? We may not know this for a while.

 

In any case, I say that I sense the vibe in Solas/Fen'Harel that may tell me that at least a part of him is very old (maybe because of all those explorations of the Fade or something)... but him, as an individual, doesn't seem to be older than, say, Elvhen civilization itself.

 

He says, for example, that there were times when elves physically walked the Fade and we see numerous eluvians when we're stuck there - but he himself claims to never be there physically himself. He's too astonished by Inquisitor's post-Conclave survival and his own tumble into the Fade (during Adamant) to lie about that, IMO.

 

I'd say that he might have been born at the time the Elvhen Empire was either falling apart, or was going through yet another Civil/pantheon war, he learned things in the Fade, found out how it was all those years ago and decided to do something about it. OR... he might have been supporting different people/pantheons throughout ages in hopes that they'd eventually make things better or enable him to turn things to the way they were before they began going awry (for whatever reason).


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This is a worry of mine. I'm going into postgraduate study so the chances are I'll be pretty broke for the next four years or so. I can't afford a console AND a computer (and I need a computer, quite honestly, but I can live easily without a console). My laptop - not desktop, sadly, otherwise I could get new parts etc. easily - is less than six months old but it's not high end, because I'm not too well off. It struggled with DA:I, and I figure it'll have a breakdown when faced with ME4 :(

 

I mean this is why I usually buy games several years after they come out, and why I'm not friends with gamers. It's an expensive hobby to keep up to date with when you get sucked into it.

I usually buy games several years after they come out as well..but there are certain games I just have to have right away.  LOL. 

 

I really don't know what to do. I want a new PC..but it's just too overwhelming for me. Plus..I don't have that much money. I was hoping to go under $500 but that seems impossible for what I want. And like..there are newer games I'll want to play..what if my new computer can't play them?  I doubt I'll be able to afford an upgrade.  I don't have a job right now because of medical issues.  I've been taking online surveys like crazy to be able to buy games. Aaaaahhh!!!



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Honestly I usually see them cost the same price.  Which is usually about $60 for non-CEs and if the game is on the PC at all.  A lot of games are console exclusive.

I guess it might be dependant on where you live? I have yet to see a game having the same price on console and PC. I can pull up a current example though, ME:A.

https://www.komplett...ffect andromeda

 

For all i know this is different here in Norway, but i have witnessed this while visiting game stores in other countries as well.



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I guess it might be dependant on where you live? I have yet to see a game having the same price on console and PC. I can pull up a current example though, ME:A.

https://www.komplett...ffect andromeda

 

For all i know this is different here in Norway, but i have witnessed this while visiting gaming stores in other countries as well.

 

Ah yes!  Location matters, sorry I didn't think of that.  In the U.S. they're typically the same price ... I was looking at The Witcher 3 and some upcoming games that are on preorder like Fallout 4, Mirrors Edge Catalyst and the upcoming Deus Ex game.  So it would appear to be a regional thing.  I have a friend in Australia for whom anything is a huge price jump.



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I've developed a habit of waiting for absurd ninety percent Steam sales to get most of my games. I'm very lucky I missed the release of Europa Universalis IV and Crusader Kings 2, or they'd have joined Bioware and CA games in buying full price.  :lol:

While I love my PS4, I do share it with my SO, and she doesn't play any PC games, so it's naturally only polite that she has the PS4 more often. Lately I've been expanding my PC horizons, learning how to mess around with graphics card updates (because BRRRRR-Crashes should be a thing of the past  ^_^ ), mod files without Steamworks, how to use Nexus Mod Manager, GIMP graphic editing, Run Commands, not die in Dark Souls, figure out what kind of parts. I love being a PC gamer, I just usually come across as grumpy against PC Gamers because I got really bored of the Console Wars a long time ago.  :lol:

I'm actually considering learning how to mod, just to create that damn Dragon Age: Total War title. (If there was someway to edit Attila's campaign map...)


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I usually buy games several years after they come out as well..but there are certain games I just have to have right away.  LOL. 

 

I really don't know what to do. I want a new PC..but it's just too overwhelming for me. Plus..I don't have that much money. I was hoping to go under $500 but that seems impossible for what I want. And like..there are newer games I'll want to play..what if my new computer can't play them?  I doubt I'll be able to afford an upgrade.  I don't have a job right now because of medical issues.  I've been taking online surveys like crazy to be able to buy games. Aaaaahhh!!!

Oh, but it's not so exspensive when you first acquire a proper desktop. Upgrading a part every now and then (for me, this means like every 3 years perhaps, depending on how much progress they've made with something since last time i upgraded) is still cheaper than getting a new laptop every 3 years (which is the average lifespan of a laptop). :D

 

I've been able to upgrade my PC whenever i needed to despite being a student for the past 4 years. Though, it helps having a degree in IT as it gives me contacts, but also enough knowledge to know when i'm doing a bargain and when i'm not.


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You know, Solas may end up being a spirit bound to a wolf or something silly like that, but I still find it hard to understand why people take the wolf thing so far. Even if he has a preferred animal form, that's hardly anything different from what we see with Flemeth or Morrigan. Or any other shapeshifter. There's a lot of wolf symbolism in the game, but how else were they going to troll us as to his supposed real identity? :P

 

It does make me much more interested in who Fen'Harel really was, and what he did, and how the title of Dread Wolf came about. Do you suppose we'll get those answers in DLC, or have to wait for DA4? :unsure:

I kind of wonder if Dread Wolf was a nickname given to him by the people/gods in power because of how terrible it would be to be on Fen'Harel's bad side. I mean....Bringer of Nightmares has a whole new meaning when you think about the state of the Fade in Ancient times.

 

Solas mentions that it was a world where "imagination defines reality" or something like that. And since Solas is a mage who specializes in the Fade....I would imagine that being on Fen'Harel's bad side literally meant he would bring your nightmares to reality. That is kind of disturbing when you think about it, and from the looking at Solas' personality this kind of torment was probably not used on let's say the general public/slaves/basically the good people of the world.

 

And suddenly I have the thought of Arlathan court parties where fen'Harel causes ****** nobles to wet themselves in front of everyone by casually altering reality with the Fade to be their worst nightmare.

 

and edit for Top. A DA Confession I agree with.Spoilered for size.

 

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I've developed a habit of waiting for absurd ninety percent Steam sales to get most of my games. I'm very lucky I missed the release of Europa Universalis IV and Crusader Kings 2, or they'd have joined Bioware and CA games in buying full price.  :lol:

While I love my PS4, I do share it with my SO, and she doesn't play any PC games, so it's naturally only polite that she has the PS4 more often. Lately I've been expanding my PC horizons, learning how to mess around with graphics card updates (because BRRRRR-Crashes should be a thing of the past  ^_^ ), mod files without Steamworks, how to use Nexus Mod Manager, GIMP graphic editing, Run Commands, not die in Dark Souls, figure out what kind of parts. I love being a PC gamer, I just usually come across as grumpy against PC Gamers because I got really bored of the Console Wars a long time ago.  :lol:

I'm actually considering learning how to mod, just to create that damn Dragon Age: Total War title. (If there was someway to edit Attila's campaign map...)

I'm in this situation too, my "better" half refuse to play on PC, so therefor i'm "forced" to play on my PC when he decides he wants to play something. :lol:


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Consoles/PC - both have their merits.  PC's have a high up-front cost but tend to last longer and you can replace parts over the years instead of throwing the baby out with the bath water. You also have a a huge amount of games to play - ranging from 2.00 cheapo indies to the full 60.00 blockbusters.  Have an old computer game from the 90's that you love to play? I DO!  The wonderful FMV games that most companies have relegated to the trash heap of history.  Virtual Machines aren't aways going to work.  WHich is unfortunate. There's a lot from the PC because of hardware updates and software updates...that just get lost. These PC developers and software developers have done a poor job of archiving their older games. 

 

Consoles however are closed systems but they work out the box and no fiddling required.   I <3 the console exclusives.   They tend to work for years and years without much problem.  And are storeable.  Also Persona 5.  

 

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But it's a closed system. No modding.  Also yes - the price of the games rarely fluctuates until MUCH MUCH later. 


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Ah yes!  Location matters, sorry I didn't think of that.  In the U.S. they're typically the same price ... I was looking at The Witcher 3 and some upcoming games that are on preorder like Fallout 4, Mirrors Edge Catalyst and the upcoming Deus Ex game.  So it would appear to be a regional thing.  I have a friend in Australia for whom anything is a huge price jump.

Then i change my conclusion to: In Norway, the costs are about the same whatever platform you play on. :lol:


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Consoles/PC - both have their merits.  PC's have a high up-front cost but tend to last longer and you can replace parts over the years instead of throwing the baby out with the bath water. You also have a a huge amount of games to play - ranging from 2.00 cheapo indies to the full 60.00 blockbusters.  Have an old computer game from the 90's that you love to play? I DO!  The wonderful FMV games that most companies have relegated to the trash heap of history.  Virtual Machines aren't aways going to work.  WHich is unfortunate. There's a lot from the PC because of hardware updates and software updates...that just get lost. These PC developers and software developers have done a poor job of archiving their older games. 

 

Consoles however are closed systems but they work out the box and no fiddling required.   I <3 the console exclusives.   They tend to work for years and years without much problem.  And are storeable.  Also Persona 5.  

 

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But it's a closed system. No modding.  Also yes - the price of the games rarely fluctuates until MUCH MUCH later. 

Yeah, it's a hard pick between the two. Ups and downs with both, and i'm glad i can have both!



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I'm in this situation too, my "better" half refuse to play on PC, so therefor i'm "forced" to play on my PC when he decides he wants to play something. :lol:

It's quite entertaining to watch her swear revenge on the French when they wipe out her favorite trebuchet in Civ V, though.  :lol:

And she's the one that first introduced me to the PS3 and converted me from PC+Xbox. Now I see Xbox as the honorable competition.  :D

(I must admit that the Playstation port for Mass Effect isn't, um, up to par.)

 

I endorse this idea of Solas scaring people at Arlathan parties. :D Particularly if, as he hints during the Winter Palace quest, he went in disguise. 


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