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[NightSymphony]

What Kissiebear said is why I am so torn!!!   I can't have both a new PC and an XBox One right now.  The One is much cheaper... but but..Mods!!!   *sighs*

[Kadust]

My biggest question, for the moment, is: WILL SOLAS BE WITH LAVELLAN AGAIN?!

 

Edit: If this turns out to be impossible, i'm going to make a Solas - happy ending mod. >

[Gwyvian]

We do see this same pattern of older more primordial titans/gods being overthrown by increasingly more individual gods, representing more complex ideas/cultural functions.

The Forgotten Ones were said to come from the Void, so I think that suggests they were either very old spirits/demons from the time before the veil....or they could have been a younger generation seeking to overthrow their Creators. Either way I think a journey to the Void plays an integral role in this whole individuation and godhood process.

I wonder if this is part of Solas' issue with the Dalish? He's seen it before maybe? Maybe the FO's were counter revolutionaries like the Dalish, wanting to overthrow the Creators to go back to their old ways. Solas himself strikes me as a kind of counter revolutionary, so I wonder if he was one of them for time, as part of their faction/tribe.

 

Alternatively, the Forgotten Ones are the "old gods" who were overthrown by the shiny new elven pantheon. It makes perfect sense: old religions tend to be demonized and vilified when a new religious form takes root, like the concept of "heathens" in our religions.

 

I realize the JoH codex entry goes against this somewhat, but as they say, the victors write history.

[BoscoBread]

What Kissiebear said is why I am so torn!!!   I can't have both a new PC and an XBox One right now.  The One is much cheaper... but but..Mods!!!   *sighs*

Mods are awesome - not on this game - but on Bethesda games...yes. Skyrim on a console is insane to me. The game is so much better that I can fight a horde of Randy Savage's or crabs in top hats and ride around on a My Little Pony all the while looking like a 40 year old stripper that just got off shift.  Also Sloth Mod:

 

 

What I mean to say is, build your own computer.  The XBone will be around for a while. Wait for a price break and until more games come out and some of the older ones have dropped in price.

 

EDIT: My 2 cents on the "Forgotten Ones". They weren't gods.  They were a rebel mage group within the empire.  Possibly angry and powerful mages that were looked over to be part of the pantheon. (mostly because I think they were gods the same way the inquisitor was the herald of andraste...not).  Geldauran's little angry rant in JoH reads like a manifesto - http://dragonage.wik...ldauran's_Claim

 

But I'm open to whatever.  I just am more enticed by the idea that the fall of Arthlathan fell due to some internal conflict brought on by differing ideaologies about how the elves should rule themselves.

[MayriyaNoori]

Not to mention, just in general, a rebellion is the constant looming "dread"' I imagine for those in power.. That moment when the masses suddenly turn and say "No". No matter who ends up winning, full scale rebellions are heavy things for societies to go through.

 

Which is why I say bring on the Imperium and PLEEEEEAAAASE let me cause an uproar as an elf slave!!! I want to see full scale riots Tevinter style! Cause if they are anything like Dorian, they'd be elite, classy riots.

 

I'm down with that.

[Gwyvian]

I think it will be so delicious once we find out Solas' history and his access to both factions. I think either he was amongst the Pantheon and the Forgotten Ones were a faction he joined in secret (to create a New Order)... or perhaps he was a servant himself at one point, and that was how he was able to go back and forth. Or maybe he is a half something, after all. I want my DLC. I want answers to these things :< 

 

I forcibly got involved in computer building when I had an assignment due, and my power supply blew. Hooking up a new power supply forced me to learn every single piece of my machine, haha. After that, it was easy!

 

My theory in a nutshell: he is both because he is neither. (I really will expound later.   )

[Sah291]

Alternatively, the Forgotten Ones are the "old gods" who were overthrown by the shiny new elven pantheon. It makes perfect sense: old religions tend to be demonized and vilified when a new religious form takes root, like the concept of "heathens" in our religions.
 
I realize the JoH codex entry goes against this somewhat, but as they say, the victors write history.

Yeah that was my original thought too, an older pagan or tribal religion that was absorbed by the empire, and later demonized. But in light of the JOH codex, the idea of a new faction emerging who wanted to go back to their old religion seems like a possibility. Maybe there was a faction of ancient Arlathan that wanted to break away and go back to their old gods. Kind of like how the Dalish are now. Or maybe that was the original idea, but they went to the Void and discovered that the Creators weren't really "gods". Some went crazy or came back blighted. Andruil went to hunt them down. Then there was a civil war, etc. If history had a tendency to repeat....

[midnight tea]

Yeah that was my original thought too, an older pagan or tribal religion that was absorbed by the empire, and later demonized. But in light of the JOH codex, the idea of a new faction emerging who wanted to go back to their old religion seems like a possibility. Maybe there was a faction of ancient Arlathan that wanted to break away and go back to their old gods. Kind of like how the Dalish are now. Or maybe that was the original idea, but they went to the Void and discovered that the Creators weren't really "gods". Some went crazy or came back blighted. Andruil went to hunt them down. Then there was a civil war, etc. If history had a tendency to repeat....

 

We might also have to take into consideration that "Forgotten Ones" is sort of a blanket term for those who opposed current elvhen pantheon, be it from older or younger generation.... Kiiiiinda like, say, Catholic Church at one point liked to deem either old cults or new, heretic movements as all being tied to 'satanic forces' and purged both with great prejudice....

 

Might even be that it's some sort of severe punishment - the memories about those creatures that opposed the Creators were eventually destroyed or hidden and the 'sinners' bound to some sort of place in which they would rot till everybody forgets them, thus rendering those as literally (as well as figuratively) 'forgotten ones'.

 

Let's not forget after all that the Forbidden Oasis features even bigger temple than that in JOH and appears to be a tomb of somebody punished for becoming arrogant and reaching for something beyond their grasp.

 

We might have to consider that there were numerous "Forgotten Ones", but only those who managed to survive their punishment are the ones either Creators or we should worry about.

[Caddius]

I can see the Forgotten Ones being the other Dreamer mages who did not swear allegiance to the Creators. They were knowledgeable to understand how the Creators were able to establish themselves as gods over elvenhan, but their efforts to match them were stymied because, well, gods tend to win rebellions. So Geldauran and company retreated from de jure Arlathan territory to build their power in secret, Sith Empire style.

I am curious what the elves worshiped before the Creators. I could see the Creators deliberately modeling themselves off the gods already present.

I'm also curious as to whether the 'Fear, Pain, Despair' titles that are usually listed as the Forgotten One's spheres of influence were just epithets handed to them as propaganda, or whether they deliberately established themselves as a primeval counterpart to the Creators. I like all this discussion of the Creators being the 'evolved, civilized gods' to a more tribal pantheon. (The Sun is basically the most common object of worship and deification, isn't it? Which makes perfect sense.)

Which reminds me. 'Dread' certainly fits the Forgotten Ones' naming pattern. Hmm...

[midnight tea]

I'd say that we can see quite a lot of what could be simple propaganda just in portrayal of Dread Wolf alone - after all, some of the myths Dalish know seem to be entirely antithetical to everything Solas stands for, painting Fen'Harel as one who hates wisdom and kindness.

 

 

This wouldn't be much different to... again ... old Greek myths, many of which eventually mixed with pure propaganda. Ancient Greece after all wasn't any sort of united country but a collection of city-states, many of which had patron deity... and many of which warred or competed with one another, and thus portrayed either deities who were patrons of other cities (or their worshipers and kings) in not necessarily positive light. 

[RoraM]

I hope we get them in the DLC - or at least some answers. If this is what we're left with about Solas until the next game, i think i'll go mad.

Sadly, I think I've already gone mad.

[MayriyaNoori]

I can see the Forgotten Ones being the other Dreamer mages who did not swear allegiance to the Creators. They were knowledgeable to understand how the Creators were able to establish themselves as gods over elvenhan, but their efforts to match them were stymied because, well, gods tend to win rebellions. So Geldauran and company retreated from de jure Arlathan territory to build their power in secret, Sith Empire style.

I am curious what the elves worshiped before the Creators. I could see the Creators deliberately modeling themselves off the gods already present.

I'm also curious as to whether the 'Fear, Pain, Despair' titles that are usually listed as the Forgotten One's spheres of influence were just epithets handed to them as propaganda, or whether they deliberately established themselves as a primeval counterpart to the Creators. I like all this discussion of the Creators being the 'evolved, civilized gods' to a more tribal pantheon. (The Sun is basically the most common object of worship and deification, isn't it? Which makes perfect sense.)

Which reminds me. 'Dread' certainly fits the Forgotten Ones' naming pattern. Hmm...

Oooo.....and if the Forgotten ones were other Dreamers like Solas.....maybe they're the ones he actually feels bad for locking away. the whole sleeping masked, hiding behind a mirror hurting thing.

 

Which would go back to the amazing and awesome I-want-this-to-happen scene that could happen of Solas taking the Inquisitor to where ever they are and we get to see a city of sleeping elves in uthenera or something.

[Kadust]

Sadly, I think I've already gone mad.

Me2. So mad i cant sleep. Yet another night i'm still awake when it's 3 AM.

[Solas]

RE: the top of page confession image

 

If presented with a "Solas or Inquisition/companions/other group" choice, who my canonquiz sides with depends entirely on what Solas' plans and motivations are and what the expected impact of them would be.

[midnight tea]

Me2. So mad i cant sleep. Yet another night i'm still awake when it's 3 AM.

 

 

Haha, time zone buddies Though 3 am for me is not realy that late - Delayed Sleeping Phase disorder means that my sleeping patterns are all out of whack.

[Caddius]

From the sounds of it, the Creators were pretty dicey what with the whole slave caste system they had going on. The speculated red lyrium corruption could only make things worse.

My question is, were the Forgotten Ones hit with red lyrium too? Or even the cause of it? Would Solas have gotten their aid in a war against the Creators? Or did the Creators fall prey to it 

The main thing suggesting that the Forgotten Ones are somehow tied to red lyrium is the 'Dalish' tribes in Serault. Dalish with red vallaslin, that invoke the names of gods the local Dalish experts have never even heard of. 

I guess you could revise the old Forgotten One=Old God theory with the idea that they were imprisoned by the Creators, and the Blight was their attempt to free themselves of their draconic prisons?  I'm just talking out of my ass at this point.

[Cee]

My theory in a nutshell: he is both because he is neither. (I really will expound later.   )

 

Gwyvian:

 

[Kadust]

Haha, time zone buddies Though 3 am for me is not realy that late - Delayed Sleeping Phase disorder means that my sleeping patterns are all out of whack.

I get up at 6-7 AM every morning, so it's pretty late for me.

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I'll pick Solas no matter what! If it have bad consequences, he wont let Lavellan be with him anyway - atleast it doesnt fit his character?

[Sah291]

From the sounds of it, the Creators were pretty dicey what with the whole slave caste system they had going on. The speculated red lyrium corruption could only make things worse.
My question is, were the Forgotten Ones hit with red lyrium too? Or even the cause of it? Would Solas have gotten their aid in a war against the Creators? Or did the Creators fall prey to it 
The main thing suggesting that the Forgotten Ones are somehow tied to red lyrium is the 'Dalish' tribes in Serault. Dalish with red vallaslin, that invoke the names of gods the local Dalish experts have never even heard of. 
I guess you could revise the old Forgotten One=Old God theory with the idea that they were imprisoned by the Creators, and the Blight was their attempt to free themselves of their draconic prisons?  I'm just talking out of my ass at this point.

Well the codex mentions something about a weapon that each side believed would help them win the war. I wonder if the red lyrium was that weapon? Or the blight itself. I remember ages ago there was a discussion here about the blight possibly being an ancient bio weapon of mass destruction, that was burried deep underground for safe keeping.

[Solas]

As much as I love Solas if I did that Kadust my quiz would be acting really ooc x)

[Cee]

For mine, too, it all depends what the plan is, what the consequences are, Solas' reasons, who else is involved, etc. He seems to think something will happen, something that could very well bring pain of some kind and he's setting himself aside alone again for that.

 

My Lavellan isn't just going to pick up and run off with Solas or support him without knowing these things. And I also hope she finds out the truth about who he is so it also makes it easier to understand why he left if romanced (especially if they can't be together for one reason or another).

[midnight tea]

Peeps, look at these cuties!

http://www.storenvy....iona-ng-designs

 

And guess who's among them for sale ;D

[NightSymphony]

*pouts*  I can't believe there hasn't been any new Solas art on Deviant for me to share.  I bet Sunny will have a lot to share when she comes back. :-P

[Cee]

I feel like a lot of people are concentrating on Tumblr this week due to the highlight.

 

I haven't been on Tumblr for more than two minutes today so I didn't see any yet.

[Gwyvian]

We might also have to take into consideration that "Forgotten Ones" is sort of a blanket term for those who opposed current elvhen pantheon, be it from older or younger generation.... Kiiiiinda like, say, Catholic Church at one point liked to deem either old cults or new, heretic movements as all being tied to 'satanic forces' and purged both with great prejudice....

 

Might even be that it's some sort of severe punishment - the memories about those creatures that opposed the Creators were eventually destroyed or hidden and the 'sinners' bound to some sort of place in which they would rot till everybody forgets them, thus rendering those as literally (as well as figuratively) 'forgotten ones'.

 

Let's not forget after all that the Forbidden Oasis features even bigger temple than that in JOH and appears to be a tomb of somebody punished for becoming arrogant and reaching for something beyond their grasp.

 

We might have to consider that there were numerous "Forgotten Ones", but only those who managed to survive their punishment are the ones either Creators or we should worry about.

 

Also it might not have been natural for the original old religion, whatever that was, to polarize (good attributes for the pantheon, bad for the Forgotten Ones) - that's not really so typical in that form for pantheons, so it points a finger at the elven pantheon as we know it to being somewhat artificial, or at the very least a deliberate "renovation" to the religion. Usually even negative gods/goddesses receive worship and sacrifice to appease them, but they are part of the pantheon, unlike in this example.