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Yeah that was my original thought too, an older pagan or tribal religion that was absorbed by the empire, and later demonized. But in light of the JOH codex, the idea of a new faction emerging who wanted to go back to their old religion seems like a possibility. Maybe there was a faction of ancient Arlathan that wanted to break away and go back to their old gods. Kind of like how the Dalish are now. Or maybe that was the original idea, but they went to the Void and discovered that the Creators weren't really "gods". Some went crazy or came back blighted. Andruil went to hunt them down. Then there was a civil war, etc. If history had a tendency to repeat....

 

Yes, I like this idea.

 

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Well the codex mentions something about a weapon that each side believed would help them win the war. I wonder if the red lyrium was that weapon? Or the blight itself. I remember ages ago there was a discussion here about the blight possibly being an ancient bio weapon of mass destruction, that was burried deep underground for safe keeping.

Andruil's Golden Spear is a possibility as well. Hrrm.


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Feeling like crap due to the massive amounts of  humidity, so tried to write. Aiming to try and finish this one Solavellan thing and maybe post it for Solavellan day on Tumblr, but instead went off writing and editing something about my Lavellan and her first love instead. It feels easier to write about two teenage girls in love than this damn scene transition that has been troubling me forever. :P



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From the sounds of it, the Creators were pretty dicey what with the whole slave caste system they had going on. The speculated red lyrium corruption could only make things worse.

My question is, were the Forgotten Ones hit with red lyrium too? Or even the cause of it? Would Solas have gotten their aid in a war against the Creators? Or did the Creators fall prey to it 

The main thing suggesting that the Forgotten Ones are somehow tied to red lyrium is the 'Dalish' tribes in Serault. Dalish with red vallaslin, that invoke the names of gods the local Dalish experts have never even heard of. 

I guess you could revise the old Forgotten One=Old God theory with the idea that they were imprisoned by the Creators, and the Blight was their attempt to free themselves of their draconic prisons?  :lol: I'm just talking out of my ass at this point.

 

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Gwyvian:

 

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I know, I know, but work...  :lol:


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This made me giggle:

 

http://liliumsnow.de...Blues-545068432


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My 3 years old daugther made me a Solas drawing. Had to share it :D
You can notice the ears and the staff....

 

solas_fanart_by_zoe___3_years_old_by_nin


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My 3 years old daugther made me a Solas drawing. Had to share it :D
You can notice the ears and the staff....

 

solas_fanart_by_zoe___3_years_old_by_nin

 

 

This is the sweetest. :)



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This made me giggle:

 

http://liliumsnow.de...Blues-545068432

 

The gardener in me wishes to point out you never have blossoms and fruit at the same time.

 

But yes. Cute. <_<



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This made me giggle:

 

http://liliumsnow.de...Blues-545068432

 

I've known a couple of people who have those tiny, almost silent sneezes, and it is so very strange.



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Art time again. :)

 

Lavellan judging Solas on her new sexy Qunari throne. xD

 

Take a break, you egg.

 

"Whatever happens... know that what we had was real."

 

Solavellan kisses.

 

The real reason why Solas left Lavellan.

 

A lovely NSFW Solavellan artwork.

 

Still a WIP but here is a pretty artwork of Solas by crystalnyam(I can't wait to see it finished because the colors she uses on her arts are pretty!)

 

Sleeping Solas.  ^_^

 

"There must be other options." (Again, read the little drabble in their tumblr post to get what's going on. It's pretty interesting!)

 

Solas and mabari puppies. <3

 

How could I have burned paradise?

 

Little Solas drawn in MS Paint. xD

 

The Wolf and Lion of Skyhold.


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Awww...puppies! :wub:



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Also Persona 5.  

 

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Oh yeah Persona5! Looking forward to that. Hopefully we have most of the Inquisition DLCs by time it comes out, so I don't have to try to decide which one I wanna play more. :whistle:

 

"Whatever happens... know that what we had was real."

 

This is beautiful. :wub:  Isn't his eye color wrong though? Or am I seeing things?



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Oh yeah Persona5! Looking forward to that. Hopefully we have most of the Inquisition DLCs by time it comes out, so I don't have to try to decide which one I wanna play more. :whistle:
 

 
This is beautiful. :wub:  Isn't his eye color wrong though? Or am I seeing things?


I think I'm going to have that same issue with Fallout 4 X) of course I have Inquisition on the 360 so who knows if I'll I'll even be getting the DLC :'( *sobs*WolfHunt*sobs

I agree that piece is beautiful! I think his eyes might be a little bit more blue gray, but it's pretty close.

The gardener in me wishes to point out you never have blossoms and fruit at the same time.
 
But yes. Cute. <_<


Lol. Fade trees!
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That Qunari throne art. :lol:


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Gaider confirmed it in another thread about this subject.

 

Let me repeat: I want it confirmed in a game. I refuse mandatory secondary merchandise like comic books or novels, I don't want to be forced into Twitter threads or interviews. It is a game, a secluded universe I indulge in, an RPG. I want to keep it as such. I do not want meta-knowledge to influence my game, worse even: to give it sense. I want to keep up the boundaries. While I play there is my character, separated, and she exists on her own. She should not require my player-knowledge to get along in the world she is living in. She cannot know what I know as long as she is not told. So she simply lacks that knowledge.

 

I know you disagree, but I have a right on this approach to gaming. :lol: I just simply merely do not like this. Why can't they make a fictional world that can work alone? Why do they need to confirm outside of the story? The fiction I am familiar with, from LOTR to Star Wars, was able to deliver all important information in the story itself. Why not BW games?

 

*prays for Sten-Arishok to explain this facet of the Qun, as well as all of the other Qunari questions, while sighing at the Inquisitor trying to act like she's a woman as well as a warrior. Bonus points for the Hero of Ferelden swooping in and shaking her head*

 

That would be great. But isn't it interesting that the Qun still allows for careers? You are not born Arishok, you must work to get there. Funny, sort of. If you were determined to be Arishok, by their own logic, shouldn't that be clear pretty early so you can be sent right off to some Arishok preparation camp? :lol:

I wonder what a Qunari will choose to believe, that the female fighter is a woman who follows a wrong path or a warrior who assumes the wrong gender...?

 

Hey man, she's anything and everything as long as it will give her power.  My Lavellan did not drink from the well - ever the cautious pragmatist.  My Trevelyan was like 'WOOO! let's party!'

 

And how does this relate to your female Trev thinking she were a son? :)


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I know you disagree, but I have a right on this approach to gaming. :lol: I just simply merely do not like this. Why can't they make a fictional world that can work alone? Why do they need to confirm outside of the story? The fiction I am familiar with, from LOTR to Star Wars, was able to deliver all important information in the story itself. Why not BW games?

 

 

That would be great. But isn't it interesting that the Qun still allows for careers? You are not born Arishok, you must work to get there. Funny, sort of. If you were determined to be Arishok, by their own logic, shouldn't that be clear pretty early so you can be sent right off to some Arishok preparation camp? :lol:

I wonder what a Qunari will choose to believe, that the female fighter is a woman who follows a wrong path or a warrior who assumes the wrong gender...?

 

 

And how does this relate to your female Trev thinking she were a son? :)

I think a lot of the context of Lord of the Rings is lost without knowledge of the Silmarillion. A lot of what I consider basic Star Wars lore, like the Sith Code, isn't present in the movies. I think having knowledge outside of the games is just a consequence of having a very large world and an expanded universe. :) I do sympathize with not wanting to have to do research to get the full story of a game, though.  <_< *cough*Kingdom Hearts*cough* But surely the intricacies of Qunari views on gender and position in society is something trivia-oriented enough that it could be, I dunno, relegated to a nifty Codex entry? *pesters writers* I'll admit that Dragon Age has more capacity for containing the minutiae within itself than most books or film do. Star Wars can't exactly go into thousands of years of history when they want to get the story of Qui-Gon making the worst recruitment decision ever across, after all. 

As for whether they'd see it as a woman doing a man's job or a man insisting he's a woman...It's been awhile since I ran Origins with a female character, but I think Sten's objection was that the Warden was a warrior trying to act like they were a woman too.

"Woman can be warriors too, Sten."

"That you are a warrior is not in question. Whether you are a woman, *glare* that remains to be seen."

:lol: That might be my crazy Sten shipper goggles clouding my memories, though.

 

Yeah, I'm not too clear on how Sten became Arishok.  :lol: From what Bull says, they select the leader by choosing who can make the hard decisions. But who elects the next leader? Is there a council below the Triumvirate that exclusively selects the heirs to the Triumvirate? What happens if the Triumvirate dies? Do they run elections? How was Qunari society affected by one of their three leaders getting stranded in Kirkwall for years, looking for a holy book?

I find it really interesting that Koslun is the one Qunari to keep his name, and to have his objects held about all others. Assuming that that was his name, and not their version of Christ or Coramoor.  ^_^


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Thank you! :D <3

Which reminds me, I ought to post it here...
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When everyone was commenting on those heavenly Haven winds showing off Solas' bulge, Jareth was the first thing I thought of. I even did a crappy photoshop of Solas' head on Bowie's body but I didn't post it because it was so stupid. :devil: Don't worry. It's gone now. From existence. Forever.

Also, your art is always amazing and beautiful! I always smile when you post a new one! Just fyi.  :blush: *fangirls over ChuChu art*


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Quick question, if some doesn't mind answering: Has anyone in here, had any issues updating to Patch 8, on the PC?

I did read from a couple threads, that a few were having issues (both Xbone and PC). It appeared in those cases, Origin (or XBL, for those having issues on their Xbone) had errors - of some sort - while downloading/installing said patch.

Haven't had any trouble yet, downloading any of the Patches. I generally waited a few days, before doing so, to see if problems were created by said patches.

Thanks in advance, for anyone wishing to chime in.

Cheers! :)

 

 

Yeah. I installed it fine on PC, and then my game wouldn't run no matter what I did. I repaired it and I don't know how effective that was yet, but something went wrong there.

 

 

This happened to me although it did manage to load the game to the start screen but would crash when trying to load any save or continue the game.  I repaired the game but that didn't work.  I had to uninstall and re-install origin, then I repaired the game again (just in case) and that did the trick  :)


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This happened to me although it did manage to load the game to the start screen but would crash when trying to load any save or continue the game.  I repaired the game but that didn't work.  I had to uninstall and re-install origin, then I repaired the game again (just in case) and that did the trick  :)

 

Yeah, I don't know what goes on when this happens... but it's done it to me before in several variations (I also had the "black screen pops up then disappears" problem at one point) and to this day I couldn't tell you what happened. All I know is that I fixed it and (thank the gods) I didn't have to reinstall anything.


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I think a lot of the context of Lord of the Rings is lost without knowledge of the Silmarillion. A lot of what I consider basic Star Wars lore, like the Sith Code, isn't present in the movies. I think having knowledge outside of the games is just a consequence of having a very large world and an expanded universe. :) I do sympathize with not wanting to have to do research to get the full story of a game, though.  <_< *cough*Kingdom Hearts*cough* But surely the intricacies of Qunari views on gender and position in society is something trivia-oriented enough that it could be, I dunno, relegated to a nifty Codex entry? *pesters writers* I'll admit that Dragon Age has more capacity for containing the minutiae within itself than most books or film do. Star Wars can't exactly go into thousands of years of history when they want to get the story of Qui-Gon making the worst recruitment decision ever across, after all. 

As for whether they'd see it as a woman doing a man's job or a man insisting he's a woman...It's been awhile since I ran Origins with a female character, but I think Sten's objection was that the Warden was a warrior trying to act like they were a woman too.

"Woman can be warriors too, Sten."

"That you are a warrior is not in question. Whether you are a woman, *glare* that remains to be seen."

:lol: That might be my crazy Sten shipper goggles clouding my memories, though.

 

Yeah, I'm not too clear on how Sten became Arishok.  :lol: From what Bull says, they select the leader by choosing who can make the hard decisions. But who elects the next leader? Is there a council below the Triumvirate that exclusively selects the heirs to the Triumvirate? What happens if the Triumvirate dies? Do they run elections? How was Qunari society affected by one of their three leaders getting stranded in Kirkwall for years, looking for a holy book?

I find it really interesting that Koslun is the one Qunari to keep his name, and to have his objects held about all others. Assuming that that was his name, and not their version of Christ or Coramoor.  ^_^

 

Hahaha, Coramoor.  :D (I so caught that.)

 

I agree with all of this! I just want to add that, regarding DA, there is more!  :lol: I'm pretty sure they're holding out on us regarding info because they're going to make an epic story revolving around the qunari in some way (has anyone noticed how "inconspicuously" they're infiltrating the storyline and our preoccupation over time throughout the games?). In general I like having a bit of distinction between games/movies/books/interviews/etc. myself, so I like to experience the "canon" of that lot without being influenced (or having to be influenced) by any of the others, though once I'm over the first introduction I will consider weighing them at the very least. But I understand the need for having the full story right there, in so far as it's possible (and with series in any media that is possible usually) - and I'm really on the fence about artists explaining their work in any way - but at the same time I have had some very enjoyable expansions on canons. I do kind of dislike it if I'm forcibly cut out of a piece of the grand story because I don't have the right sequence, i.e. some things are only discussed in this or that and never are mentioned in the medium that is canon for me.

 

Anyway. I think DA still has ample time and room to explain all the things the devs developed off-screen, so to speak; I think it might even be part of their creative process, if so, then I'm all for it. (And with DA, I do enjoy getting tidbits from all over, yet I have to say that I can't get my hands on every little tidbit, so...)


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Alright! Everyone ready for my Solas theory?  :lol: It's evening now and my twig tea supply chain has been set up and I've stopped working and I should stop explaining and get to the point.

 

So: we've seen a lot of parallels between our world mythology and Thedas (in general and with mythology separately, which is actually kind of interesting, since usually the emphasis of high fantasy is that you are living the mythology, not that you have a distinct mythology on top of the one you're living - but that's another subject). The parallels are mostly evident, if not perfectly clear or even exact (which is not a problem), but at the very least we can see that basic social and religious models are emulated with precision. This leads me to the conclusion that the pieces which are not self-evident parallels must have at least a sketchy counterpart to a degree in order for the structure to work. So, going on that basis, I posit that Solas could be what we consider the classical "hero" of myth: half god and half mortal, with a foot between both worlds.

 

As I mentioned earlier, I suspect that the Forgotten Ones might have been more akin to a cast down pantheon than gods who are inherently part of the Arlathanian pantheon (which eventually suffers, you'll notice, from the imbalance of not having gods of outright destructive qualities; the "good" gods instead got corrupted, although this by itself is not enough evidence, since all gods in all mythologies do a lot of incredibly selfish and stupid things because they can). This is neither here nor there, except that it casts a new light on Solas having a "foot in the Forgotten Ones' world" as well as a foot in the elven pantheon. Who does this remind me of? King Arthur and co., of course! Who had one foot planted in the religion of the old gods/goddesses, the Isle of Avalon, druids, all that fascinating stuff <3 , and even went through the old rituals in order to ascend to power and gain the acceptance of the myriad of clans and folk that generally snarled at one another, and also embraced the new Christian faith as a necessary leap of state (*cough* faith) that from a sociopolitical standpoint represented the pathway to peace... eventually. I know I'm cutting historical corners, but it all makes sense if you squint at it through the lens of "what would have happened if those decisions hadn't been made." Much like in 1000 A.D. when Hungary's first Christian king (St. Stephen) became the Christian king (and had the entire kingdom follow suit, much to everyone's disgruntlement) in order to secure our place in Europe - and we've had terrible, absolutely terrible luck ever since, but at least we're still in Europe. Enough of history, I had a point here: so Solas minds me of a legendary figure who was able to tie the "old world" and the "new world" together without being strung up by either because of his great charisma and cleverness (what the Arthurian legends had in an entire group of people all come down inherently to the seed of the "hero," albeit Arthur sticks out anyway as The Charismatic Leader figure, but I think Solas is more of a classical hero kind of guy).

 

Second point. What is the purpose of the hero? From a psychological point of view (damn, I really need to start writing a book about this), the hero is the integration of the "old" and "new" ego (FO/EP parallel?), or rather, the painful rebirth known as "adolescence" which entails a lot of really infuriating emotions and intense dramas and all of that, but most importantly, it is the emergence of the individual, you as a person as you fit into society. So for such a young, changing mind, a metaphorical role model of sorts is needed: the hero is someone who a child can relate to, because heroes are just like them (superheroes, anyone?), but they discover that they are also part gods - they do not belong in the pantheon directly, because that's for actual gods, but they have special abilities and strengths that set them apart. Plus, life usually goads them into using those powers. Psychologically speaking, this is a time when the child will start exploring their own "superpowers" and discovering who they really are and what they really want to do - that "something special" that sets them apart and makes them aspire to better themselves and be heroes of their own story.

 

I could go on, but I shant. I promised a wall of text, but not a book.  :D Point being: does this sound familiar? A "mortal" with "superpowers" who does not belong in the pantheon, yet is inherently a part of their pantheon, a number in their ranks despite whatever the other gods might feel? Yes, Fen'Harel ostensibly has the powers of a god, yet he claims that he is not a god, moreover neither are the other members of the pantheon.

 

Let's get a little nitty-gritty: the members of the pantheon (as "gods") do whatever the hell they please, because they can. That qualifies them as gods, who play out the archetypical best and worst qualities of their people on the grossest scale possible; yet they need not have always been The gods, as I said earlier, so that leaves politics, because that's the only other group of people who have ever had godly powers without being necessarily "gods" according to the classical definition. Pharaohs, anyone? So, it could be that what we see here is more about the subjugation of an entire civilization through the power of birthright, command and presumably magic, like a much, much more advanced Tevinter, where the rulers and aristocrats of that society have the worship of thousands just because of who they are.

 

If it's truly politics, then that means Solas' foot in both worlds would make his move a sociopolitical one, keeping friendly (if somewhat neutral) terms with both the new aristos and the old gods (?), he could even have been their priest representing the Old Faith in the court of the "pantheon," thereafter scorned and vilified as "barbaric" and "evil" - this seems like just the kind of soup that Fen'Harel would just love to spike with a little discord. In this, Solas would be the hero who has the Arthurian connection between the different factions of the elven empire while having a secret agenda that would raise a true democracy of sorts out of the ashes of the oligarchy he's about to crush like a worthless insect beneath his boot (unlike Arthur, who himself rose to power). It's the Trojan Horse, I tell you.

 

If it's not politics, then he is more literally a hero, with superpowers, yet lacking the full blush of godly power, which enables him to exist both on "Olympus" and on "Earth" without having that bother him particularly, yet he knows that at least someone is on his trail and sniffed out his plan to release the "humans" from under the ruthless, corrupt thumb of the pantheon, so he has to move fast and make sure that he strikes at both the old powers and the new powers so that the little people can escape.

 

Point being, Solas could be a hero from several senses of the word, which explains both why he's accepted by both the Forgotten Ones and the elven pantheon (which seems ludicrous - how is that even possible that one doesn't know about the other? Unless he can "slip in under the radar" or act as the spy or whatever, i.e. he's not really like them). He is also, I would say, not literally a wolf in this, but more metaphorically - a devious, intelligent free spirit who can be vicious and yet steers clear of obvious dangers with ease; a hunter, yet also a community-centered individual, albeit one who lives within a strict hierarchy of sorts. Not your classical definition of hero, yet necessity births heroes, not their wishes.

 

...and now's the time of all of my theory to collapse like a deck of cards because I'm really just talking now... and that never ends with brevity nor sanity.  :lol:


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Art again.

 

Cute happy Solavellan.

 

Solas x m!Lavellan

 

Solas portrait.

 

Solas's Interests: Memories of simple people reflected in the Fade. (In this case, the Qunari baker.)

 

A night of heavy drinking - Zevran and Solas friendship.

 

A time when the Pantheon got along. Mostly. By nikki-tikki. ;)

 

Different body types. (Dorian, Solas, Blackwall, Cassandra, Morrigan, and Vivienne.)


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When everyone was commenting on those heavenly Haven winds showing off Solas' bulge, Jareth was the first thing I thought of. I even did a crappy photoshop of Solas' head on Bowie's body but I didn't post it because it was so stupid. :devil: Don't worry. It's gone now. From existence. Forever.
Also, your art is always amazing and beautiful! I always smile when you post a new one! Just fyi. :blush: *fangirls over ChuChu art*

Awe! :blush: I am here to bring the feels and the Solas, as we all must endure until the DLC drop xD
Bahaha yes those Haven winds. -makes poorly made wind sounds-

Ugh I really want DLC. Bioware, we has DLC nao plz? :<
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*Sorry if this has been discussed before*

 

Has Patrick (or anyone else) ever explained why Solas is not present in Wicked Grace scene? I have my own reasoning, but was just wondering if he discussed this scene anywhere and I just missed it.