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[Cee]

There is a time and place for mercy. I just don't think that was it. And it would of been different if my Lavellan was judging the situation. She would of had more context, more options to deal with it. But it wasn't it was Leliana's call for her traitor. Your Herald just happened to be easy dropping and caught a few snippets of a situation they don't really know much about. Again, she's been doing this for 20 yearsish and this is war and responsibility over many lives. I honestly understand where you're coming from. My Lavellan doesn't believe in the "greater good" or cracking eggs to make an omelet, but that's why she needs Leliana-- to be her shadow, or her left hand.

 

I disagree. Sometimes you just have to call out injustices where you see them, without regard to others' experience or station. People are fallible, they lose sight of things, they might become jaded.

 

This is also one reason why I find Sera's presence in the Inquisition so valuable.

[NeverlandHunter]

I think she didn't care. Like she checked to see if he would be a direct threat to their mission and then that was enough - he wouldn't be.  At that time, Leiliana was pretty much "whatever the cost to get it done".   Both Solas and Blackwall she was like 'they seem harmless enough for now and we need them'.  Corypheus was way more pressing. Frankly, she would probably defend her decision even AFTER finding out what he was.   She would likely not apologize for it, nor should she.  I would have done the same thing.  Solas was the only person to know what was up with the Fade.  Blackwall is a good fighter. 
 
Why waste good resources?  ****, I would have recruited the blighted magister if I could.

Well, I don't think it was her call. She gave the Inquisitor the sword which showed that she meant to follow the Inquisitor. It should of been your Inquisitor's informed choice, and just suppose Leliana was wrong about the character of Blackwall and Solas. They were both optionally very close to the Inquisitor and could of caused a lot of damage had that been their intention.
The biggest thing though is it should of been your choice. These were people you traveled and fought with, and optionally bedded. Nomatter how honorable they seemed, your past and *definitely* your honesty should and do effect how much faith people put in you. Especially, especially the former. Leliana was the spymaster, not the Inquisitor. It wasn't her decision, no matter how she perceived the characters it wasn't her call. These were the Inquisitors companions! They made decisions depending onwhqt they thought was going on with their companion. This is especially apparent with the Blackwall romance. Not every Blackwall romancer was able to forgive him. Real life me wouldn't, my Lavellan wouldn't (she is definitely a hypocrite though because she's almost certainly going to forgive Solas X). Those Inquisitors took an emotional blow that was, if not completely unnecessary, could of at least been softened by being able to confront Blackeall before he f***ed and ducked.

She might have assumed the IQ wouldn't care given all the other shady types they're perfectly fine with. Or she might not think she has to tell them everything. She doesn't even have to be very happy with the IQ being in charge. My point is, one could come up with many reasons of why she didn't tell other than she's too soft or incompetent.

She shouldn't have assumed and she chose to follow the Inquisitor. Already pointed it out above,but your Inquisitor was the one traveling (bedding) these people, not Leliana. Your Inquisitor should have been told. Leliana really messed up, as a spymaster. And the decision to keep this information from the Inquisitor, among other things, makes her an inept spymaster.

I love Leliana as a character, and she did a lot for the Inquisition, but she made a lot of glaring mistakes. Better pack her off to be divine and find someone a bit more detached to play your shadow.

[NeverlandHunter]

I disagree. Sometimes you just have to call out injustices where you see them, without regard to others' experience or station. People are fallible, they lose sight of things, they might become jaded.
 
This is also one reason why I find Sera's presence in the Inquisition so valuable.

I don't think it was an injustice. It was Leliana's decision, it was a perfectly sane decision for someone who betrayed you too.
My Lavellan thinks the same way you do, and had it been her man and her decision she probably would of chosenanother course of action. But as it is, it was Leliana who was betrayed. I don't think it was harsh of her to give him a traitor's punishment either.

[NightSymphony]

This spymaster conversation reminds of this comic :-P

 

http://alexielapril....aster-533920174

[BoscoBread]

Well, I don't think it was her call. She gave the Inquisitor the sword which showed that she meant to follow the Inquisitor. It should of been your Inquisitor's informed choice, and just suppose Leliana was wrong about the character of Blackwall and Solas. They were both optionally very close to the Inquisitor and could of caused a lot of damage had that been their intention.
The biggest thing though is it should of been your choice. These were people you traveled and fought with, and optionally bedded. Nomatter how honorable they seemed, your past and *definitely* your honesty should and do effect how much faith people put in you. Especially, especially the former. Leliana was the spymaster, not the Inquisitor. It wasn't her decision, no matter how she perceived the characters it wasn't her call. These were the Inquisitors companions! They made decisions depending onwhqt they thought was going on with their companion. This is especially apparent with the Blackwall romance. Not every Blackwall romancer was able to forgive him. Real life me wouldn't, my Lavellan wouldn't (she is definitely a hypocrite though because she's almost certainly going to forgive Solas X). Those Inquisitors took an emotional blow that was, if not completely unnecessary, could of at least been softened by being able to confront Blackeall before he f***ed and ducked.
 

I never said it was. I said she didn't care.  That's the difference.   

 

You clearly hold this opinion very strongly and were clearly very affected by this.  You don't need to to convince me of everything.  Yes, do I agree it wasn't up to her? No. Do I care she made the decision. No.  No harm. No foul.  For me, my Inquisitor's emotional state was less important than the fate of nations. 

 

And frankly - that's why you have advisors. That's why these large organizations - you delegate tasks.  Yes, at the end of the day it's the Inquisitors problem, but you can't be everywhere at once and you can't make every decision at once.  It's insanity.  Even if she had brought to me her concerns about Blackwall and Solas, I would have been like 'eh...they're fine'.  Frankly, even I knew Solas had STARTED everything I would have still kept him around> He was nice enough. Clearly contrite. And the ONLY person that could help. Same thing with Blackwall. 

 

This question isnt about EVERY Inquisitor. It's about how everyone deals with these things seperately. As you say, you couldn't forgive Blackwall. I could.  I think he deserves to be forgiven.  But that's where this stuff veers off into opinion.

 

I personally admire Leliana's brutality and stark pragmatism. It's realistic. 

[drosophila]

This spymaster conversation reminds of this comic :-P

 

http://alexielapril....aster-533920174

 

If we could just send Zevran to seduce Corypheus, this whole thing would be over before it even began.

[Ulv Elskeren]

The fact that softening her included, "Well, you shouldn't kill him, even though he's turned traitor," and "It wasn't a mistake to pull back your men and not have them do their job of scouting," really bothered me. (Granted, I'm not sure what use the scouts would have been able to do, it's unclear how far away they were and how much extra time could have been bought.) There's a fine line between being compassionate but pragmatic and being a bit too trigger-happy. It's interesting that if you ask Varric why he didn't apply for spymaster, he points out that he gets far too attached to his spies, unlike Leliana. And yet...

 

That may be exactly the point.  To be optimally effective at what she currently does, it's best she stay hardened.  The only reason to soften her is if you want a Divine that's interested in promoting significant change, but not change at any cost.  

 

"Ends justify the means" spymasters are great.  

 

"Ends justify the means" religious leaders tend toward jihads and Exalted Marches.  

[ChuChu]

The variability in the Chantry outcomes makes me wonder if that's what the next big movement will be: a religious deviation that tumbles the Divine. Maybe Tevinter's Divine will play a more prominent role? People rebel against the new changes/lack of changes? How sad would it be if new Divine got assassinated!

On another topic: Tomorrow is Solavellan day on the Solas Appreciation Week, right? Looking forward to seeing some good stuff 

[KyndredRaven]

Is it OK to post some art and a story at the same time?

 

Pulchra Tenebris

 

Pairing: Solas/Lavellan (of course!)

 

Summary: They say that at the end, we see our lives flash before our eyes. They say that death is painless and silent. On that day, I saw nothing but the smoke from the wood beneath my feet. I heard nothing but the Chant of Light and the thrilled shouts of the crowd all around me. I couldn't remember my life before this moment. I couldn't even imagine that anything existed outside the pain and torment of the present. In the end, death wasn't silent nor painless. Death was cruelty and agony. Death was my reflection in his eyes - the eyes of a beast. The eyes of a monster that I loved with all my soul.

 

Links: AO3 | FF.net - Chapters 1 and 2 currently up with Chapter 3 coming very soon

 

Cover Art Pieces for this story (both mine): 

 

1. Official cover art

 

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2. WIP cover art/just because I love Solas/Lavellan piece

 

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[NeverlandHunter]

I think she didn't care. Like she checked to see if he would be a direct threat to their mission and then that was enough - he wouldn't be.  At that time, Leiliana was pretty much "whatever the cost to get it done".   Both Solas and Blackwall she was like 'they seem harmless enough for now and we need them'.  Corypheus was way more pressing. Frankly, she would probably defend her decision even AFTER finding out what he was.   She would likely not apologize for it, nor should she.  I would have done the same thing.  Solas was the only person to know what was up with the Fade.  Blackwall is a good fighter. 
 
Why waste good resources?  ****, I would have recruited the blighted magister if I could.

Well, I don't think it was her call. She gave the Inquisitor the sword which showed that she meant to follow the Inquisitor. It should of been your Inquisitor's informed choice, and just suppose Leliana was wrong about the character of Blackwall and Solas. They were both optionally very close to the Inquisitor and could of caused a lot of damage had that been their intention.
The biggest thing though is it should of been your choice. These were people you traveled and fought with, and optionally bedded. Nomatter how honorable they seemed, your past and *definitely* your honesty should and do effect how much faith people put in you. Especially, especially the former. Leliana was the spymaster, not the Inquisitor. It wasn't her decision, no matter how she perceived the characters it wasn't her call. These were the Inquisitors companions! They made decisions depending onwhqt they thought was going on with their companion. This is especially apparent with the Blackwall romance. Not every Blackwall romancer was able to forgive him. Real life me wouldn't, my Lavellan wouldn't (she is definitely a hypocrite though because she's almost certainly going to forgive Solas X). Those Inquisitors took an emotional blow that was, if not completely unnecessary, could of at least been softened by being able to confront Blackeall before he f***ed and ducked.

She might have assumed the IQ wouldn't care given all the other shady types they're perfectly fine with. Or she might not think she has to tell them everything. She doesn't even have to be very happy with the IQ being in charge. My point is, one could come up with many reasons of why she didn't tell other than she's too soft or incompetent.

She shouldn't have assumed and she chose to follow the Inquisitor. Already pointed it out above,but your Inquisitor was the one traveling (bedding) these people, not Leliana. Your Inquisitor should have been told. Leliana really messed up, as a spymaster. And the decision to keep this information from the Inquisitor, among other things, makes her an inept spymaster.

I love Leliana as a character, and she did a lot for the Inquisition, but she made a lot of glaring mistakes. Better pack her off to be divine and find someone a bit more detached to play your shadow.

[Cee]

 On another topic: Tomorrow is Solavellan day on the Solas Appreciation Week, right? Looking forward to seeing some good stuff 

 

It is, and I am looking forward to all the posts.

 

I still can't seem to finish anything new (I keep poking at a fic about my Lavellan as a teen) but maybe I'll 'cheat' and cross post something from my AO3 account to Tumblr.

 

[laurelinvanyar]

The fact that softening her included, "Well, you shouldn't kill him, even though he's turned traitor," and "It wasn't a mistake to pull back your men and not have them do their job of scouting," really bothered me. (Granted, I'm not sure what use the scouts would have been able to do, it's unclear how far away they were and how much extra time could have been bought.) There's a fine line between being compassionate but pragmatic and being a bit too trigger-happy. It's interesting that if you ask Varric why he didn't apply for spymaster, he points out that he gets far too attached to his spies, unlike Leliana. And yet...

Haha...my first instinct in that scene was "WTF Leliana?? Shouldn't we torture him for information first??? What kind of spymaster are you??"

Which probably says something unfortunate about me. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Illyria]

Not Solas:

 

Since we share our Inkys a lot here I thought people might be interested in the daimodder tumblr (http://daimodder.tumblr.com/) and Inquisitor Showcase (http://inquisitorshowcase.tumblr.com/).  DAI Modder has a tag for showing off custom Inkys made with mods and Inquisitor Showcase is a blog dedicated to that, but also vanilla too.

 

On topic: What would Solas think of The Gallows?  What would he think of Kinloch Hold?

[TanisLave]

Hey! I'm doing some mini requests to practice armor and faces, and I tried to do some requests on tumblr with no luck ; v; so would anyone like me to try to draw their quizzy? 

[midnight tea]

I'm in the middle of drawing my own ATM

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This pic and its night theme is entirely the fault of this piece of music: 

[NeverlandHunter]

I've studied this particular lore quite a bit, especially since it always bothered me that the Hollywood versions of the legends always seemed a little too cookie-cutter perfect, so I began focusing on the originals and the various reinterpretations by authors since; I like the dynamism of the story, actually, it's all a bit open to interpretation. And Gawain is great, I agree. (A dear friend of mine also calls himself Gawain, which means that I have a soft spot for the legend anyway. ) I barely remember it, but I believe I used to hear these as bedtime stories, maybe that's what sparked my initial interest, I don't know.

Well, given that Alistair as king is the default, I think perhaps that the Arthurian connection was meant to be - buuuut then there's Maric and his sword......................... hmmm. I have to rethink this.

Ooh, Anders as Morgan le Fey? Hmmm.... the healer that is possessed by the spirit of Justice and who unleashes Vengeance... not on King Alistair, though, but who knows what the future has in store. (No. I don't want that. ) I think Anders knighted Ser Pounce-A-Lot, which makes Anders the king...... *gasp*

Wait, what if... all these characters took up the same role over and over? The characters change, but the role's don't!

Haha, I think you're becoming to emotionally attached to these farfetched and outlandish parallels X)
So who is Solas cast as?

[Niamaduir]

Not Solas:

 

Since we share our Inkys a lot here I thought people might be interested in the daimodder tumblr (http://daimodder.tumblr.com/) and Inquisitor Showcase (http://inquisitorshowcase.tumblr.com/).  DAI Modder has a tag for showing off custom Inkys made with mods and Inquisitor Showcase is a blog dedicated to that, but also vanilla too.

 

On topic: What would Solas think of The Gallows?  What would he think of Kinloch Hold?

 

I think with the Gallows, Solas would say something to the effect of "we should not linger here"  as he does whenever you stumble onto anything related to the darker aspects of blood magic and demons in the game. I also think he would immediately pick up on something be very wrong with Kirkwall in general, and would probably theorize this weirdness being the reason so many bad things happen there. 

 

As for Kinloch Hold, I think he might have some interesting things to say about its history, kind of in the vein of what he says when you walk up to Calanhad's Foothold. But as to specifics about the Circle Tower, I am not really sure. I suppose it depends on when you posit he's been there.

[NeverlandHunter]

I never said it was. I said she didn't care.  That's the difference.   
 
You clearly hold this opinion very strongly and were clearly very affected by this.  You don't need to to convince me of everything.  Yes, do I agree it wasn't up to her? No. Do I care she made the decision. No.  No harm. No foul.  For me, my Inquisitor's emotional state was less important than the fate of nations. 
 
And frankly - that's why you have advisors. That's why these large organizations - you delegate tasks.  Yes, at the end of the day it's the Inquisitors problem, but you can't be everywhere at once and you can't make every decision at once.  It's insanity.  Even if she had brought to me her concerns about Blackwall and Solas, I would have been like 'eh...they're fine'.  Frankly, even I knew Solas had STARTED everything I would have still kept him around> He was nice enough. Clearly contrite. And the ONLY person that could help. Same thing with Blackwall. 
 
This question isnt about EVERY Inquisitor. It's about how everyone deals with these things seperately. As you say, you couldn't forgive Blackwall. I could.  I think he deserves to be forgiven.  But that's where this stuff veers off into opinion.
 
I personally admire Leliana's brutality and stark pragmatism. It's realistic.

I am strongly opinionated about this matter X) and I'm trying to suffocate you with my opinion, I just enjoy a well thought out argument .
Still, I stand by the fact it was her responsibility to let the Inquisitor know what was going on. Not for every single decision, but something as close to the Inquisitor as a companion and possible love interes o_O. Your Inquisitor might bot of cared, but others probably would and better safe than sorry. My Lavellan chooses to forgive Blackwall me though, I'm a cynic... if he left lying on a hay bale there'd definitely be hell to pay. Haha I'm not so forgiving, but I think romances like Blackwall's and even my Solas love could only ever work out in games/books/movies.


Sorry for the double post guys! Ive been having issues with my phone lately :'( his life is slowly ebbing away and as such he's been exhibiting signs of dementia.

Someone posted a Muse song on the last page for Solas. I love Muse! I think Madness fits the Solas/Lavellan romance well, through a Lavellan perspective.

[NeverlandHunter]

This spymaster conversation reminds of this comic :-P
 
http://alexielapril....aster-533920174

O_O

Uhhhh, what were we arguing about?

[Solas]

Hey! I'm doing some mini requests to practice armor and faces, and I tried to do some requests on tumblr with no luck ; v; so would anyone like me to try to draw their quizzy? 

Oooh, neat! Sure, if you're up for it. Screen from today for reference if so:

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But no pressure, I'm sure you'll shortly be inundated with requests if you aren't already! 

[NightSymphony]

Hey! I'm doing some mini requests to practice armor and faces, and I tried to do some requests on tumblr with no luck ; v; so would anyone like me to try to draw their quizzy? 

oh oh oh..me me...lol.  Please.    She looks like this except her Vallaslin is black and her hair is white.

 

http://imgur.com/a/HpzJf

 

Thank you for offering!!!

[TanisLave]

Oooh, neat! Sure, if you're up for it. Screen from today for reference if so:

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But no pressure, I'm sure you'll shortly be inundated with requests if you aren't already! 

 

 

oh oh oh..me me...lol.  Please.    She looks like this except her Vallaslin is black and her hair is white.

 

http://imgur.com/a/HpzJf

 

Thank you for offering!!!

Any specific themes or personality traits you guys want ! And I'll have them done tomorrow evening!

[Solas]

Gosh you're such a dear! I'll shoot you a little PM so I don't derail the thread.

[nikki-tikki]

Hey! I'm doing some mini requests to practice armor and faces, and I tried to do some requests on tumblr with no luck ; v; so would anyone like me to try to draw their quizzy? 

 

Draw my Tyrant Lavellan.    

 

^{Beware of huge pics}

 

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Basic Aesthetic: Hates mages/magic. Hates Dalish. Wants to be most powerful person. Will kill for pleasure. 

 

 

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[Alyka]

Hey! I'm doing some mini requests to practice armor and faces, and I tried to do some requests on tumblr with no luck ; v; so would anyone like me to try to draw their quizzy? 

Here is mine:

http://forum.bioware...got/?p=19366563

Please let me know how it turns out if you decide to draw her. Thank you!